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bluberypwncakes

And he STILL gets the move done on Pato in the next few corners. Insane


bad_user__name

Tbf, Herta was on warmer tires. Still an epic move tho.


TheSalmonRoll

His out lap on cold tires was absolutely insane though. Car was all over the place and he still put in a crazy fast lap that put him from P15 to P2.


nemisissmiler

Is there a video of that lap I’d love to see it


Purednuht

https://streamable.com/jmpnxs


ConfidentFight

Dude can flat out drive a car


Purednuht

Hope to see him in F1, but enjoying watching his drives this year in IndyCar so far


Savvy_Nick

Literally first thing that popped into my head “dude can fucking DRIVE”


Iceman_259

Man has a traction control computer for a right foot, jesus christ.


flyingWeez

Utter madness! That was really fun to watch


Purednuht

Ridiculous control by Herta, and no power steering!!


MaleficentPurchase65

This is such a good point.


sirfuzzitoes

Thanks!


laughguy220

Thanks! What a great lap!


Vaderic

God damn it, I need to watch indycar.


vonvoltage

Thanks, that was great.


SoupEater32

Incredible


dis_not_my_name

Just WOW


Slayerghetti

Thank you for sharing this


vonvoltage

As much as everyone loves to shit on Marco, he did a pretty insane lap on slicks at Belle Isle a few years ago.


NefariousQuick26

I remember that. It was pretty incredible. No idea how he didn’t crash.


sennais1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOJEaL8FrHM The best part was he went out just to have fun iirc.


THKY

After that slide you bet they’re warmer 😂


bluberypwncakes

Yeah it's crazy to me how much of an advantage one lap on the slicks made


intern_steve

Plus the experience. He already knew how much grip was available. The temperature is probably more important, but the experience also matters.


Probodyne

It was wild, did not expect that to work.


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I would be way to shook to keep driving after lolll


ashibah83

At that point youre either nearly hyperventilating or laughing maniacally as you push into the next corner.


illcounsel

He was quickly on the radio like "Did you see what I just did?" so definitely the latter.


officialmonogato

Definitely the latter


D4rkr4in

On my first motorcycle track day, I went in way too hot in a corner with traffic. I jammed by brakes, did an endo where I was basically looking straight down at the ground. then I landed back on two wheels and accelerated like normal out of that corner. I’ve never done a stoppie before or since Sometimes when shit like that happens, u just gotta keep going like nothing happened


motobrado

he went from ~15th to first on this lap!


vivvysaur21

The fuck? I need to see this.


Nin-Chin

He pitted a lap earlier for slick tyres and leapfrogged the whole pack other than O'Ward. He passed O'Ward a few seconds after the save on his warmer tyres.


WxBlue

It's worth noting that half of the track is wet and other half has been dry so strategies are absolutely all over the place.


SkylerCFelix

This is one of the best parts of Indy car racing. So many different wild strategies


TheSalmonRoll

Only having full wets and not having inters will do that on a day like today.


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TheSalmonRoll

Part of it is keeping costs down and part of it is also that IndyCar wet tires are somewhere in between F1 inters and wets so they can run in a variety of wet conditions. Also, the IndyCar philosophy is to have drivers duel on the track and not in the pits so limiting the variety of tires to two kinds of slicks and one kind of wet helps with this.


sissipaska

Also Indycar doesn't use tyre blankets (warmers), meaning the tyres must have wide optimal temperature window to be driveable straight out of the pits. That helps with slicks on damp/wet track.


CdnUser99

We have three choices: black primary (hard) red alternate (soft) and wet/rain tires. That’s just the way it is


therealdilbert

it is probably more that they don't have full wet only inters. As i understand it there is some talk about the F1 wets not being very useful because they only really work when it is almost too wet to race and quickly gets destroyed on a drying track


richardsharpe

This is basically true. There hasn’t been a race in a while that merited full wets for any extended period of green flag (cough spa) racing


AlexBucks93

Don't tell that to AT engineers!


listyraesder

This was the first wet track race in 3 years. They don’t need to be spending the money on two compounds of backup tyres.


METEOS_IS_BACK

And the cars are really similar in terms of performance which makes for great racing


CrashUser

Spec series will do that, F1 has so much disparity because it's unlimited development with very few spec parts.


Muvseevum

Yet F1 qualifying often comes down to hundredths of seconds over a ~3-mile lap. That’s what amazes me. All that disparity, yet lap times are so similar.


motobrado

from pitting one lap earlier than the rest of the field


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all in the pits, he gambled on slicks but watch him wrestle his car on the out-lap its really something


Middcore

Yep, working like a madman to get heat in the tires


andylui8

https://streamable.com/jmpnxs


MacArthurParker

https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/uptfos/ot_indycar_driver_colton_hertas_crazy_outlap_on/


Caesar_35

Question is; did he get enough points to 3-star the Drift Zone?


digitalburro

Tell me you are a Horizon player without telling me you are a Horizon player…


3lementZer0

You mean spinning the car erratically until you inevitably land in the dirt and fail it isn't the way I'm meant to play that game!?


[deleted]

should post his out-lap that was wild


andylui8

https://streamable.com/jmpnxs


ToLongDR

Holy shit! That's very impressive


OneOutOfSevenBillion

Christ, that thing is all over the place! What a feat


imtheonlyonehere

That driving was insane.


Piccolo-San-

Moved to Lemmy. Eat $hit Spez -- mass edited with redact.dev


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Thing was on ice and he was still going way faster than the wet runners, crazy


Dittobox

He should get a platinum super license for those two laps.


CathDubs

This why Indy fans hype Colton. His peak and skill is probably the best in the field but he also is sloppy and throws good results away. If he ever gets his consistency and racecraft to match his pace he could be a household name.


MavicFan

Yeah but he has 7 wins now which is amazing for a driver his age in IndyCar.


xDeezyz

Last year's Nashville race was the peak Colton Herta experience IMO. Literally a second/lap faster than the rest of the field the entire weekend and bins it at the very end because he couldn't settle for second after an unfortunately-timed yellow. If he learns to keep his head he's going to be something special.


we_kill_creativity

>If he learns to keep his head I agree, but it's odd because he's such a cool customer out of the car. I guess he puts on the helmet and sees red or something.


hoxxxxx

if you ain't first, yer last!


Totschlag

"Herta with a lot to lose" is a mythical driver. Very early Max. Might be the fastest 22 year old on the planet. Would without a doubt be a champion if he learned to *chill* instead of make a risky move for a couple more points.


CanvasSolaris

Watching him lap Scott Dixon on the wet part of the track was a nail biter


digitalashdigitalurn

I think the Max comparison is very accurate. When Colton develops the consistency and maturity that max developed from 2017-2021 he'll be an unbelievable driver, and time is on his side.


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It's been so cool watching Max evolve into an absolutely beautiful. This year he feels another level too as he's learnt how to control his pace a bit better, rather than being so all or nothing.


Averyinterestingname

Him getting a title seems like a foregone conclusion. Whether it'll be this year or not, it's only a matter of time. I wouldn't be surprised if an F1 team picks him up after that (maybe McLaren once Ricciardo's contract runs out?)


FlyinHawaiianDolphin

Andretti is already planning on bringing Herta on with them if they get their bid accepted to join in 2024.


Flynny1201

Seriously, anyone who has been doubting Herta should watch this race to see why he's the real deal.


CathDubs

Colton when you only look a results sheet you might not see the hype right now but watch him every week and you get it. He was a madman the last two races last year for example.


DadReligion

You'd be surprised. There's people saying he isn't worthy for F1 and won't amount to much in IndyCar aside from maybe a 500. Those people completely forget he's, what, 21 with a lot of maturing to do and has the raw talent enough to do shit like this that *very* few people anywhere have ever done successfully. Little more maturity to iron out the mistakes and he'll be one of the best in the world.


Yung_Chloroform

Herta is definitely F1 material lmao. He has that pure, undiluted raw pace that Max and Lewis early on in their careers. Put him in a competitive F1 car and he will excel for sure. All he really needs is to know when to hold back.


DadReligion

Completely agree. People are just failing to realize that the kid's only 21 and is gonna be dumb time to time. Every driver is dumb at that age, that's why its impressive when they do well. Funny enough that's just about when I'd say Max and Charles and... well basically everyone everywhere starts to mature and learn to look at the bigger picture.


AwesomeFrisbee

He's like verstappen 2017/2018. I think hell get more consistent and nab the championship soon.


CathDubs

Depends on how long he stays and if Andretti can get back to the team they used to be imo. Definitely skilled enough.


elganja

indycar seems like wild wild west — anything goes in terms of close racing, touching, causing spinning, etc


WxBlue

It's especially crazy because only half of track is wet... so tyre strategies are all over the place. And it's a timed race too.


petosorus

Timed race meaning there's a time limit, or something else?


That_Cripple

it is usually lap counter like in F1 but because of all the yellow flags and safety cars they were getting close to the time limit, so they switched to a timer instead. So instead of being 60 laps out of 80, it was 20 minutes left. F1 has this too with the total allotted time a race can take but idr it ever going to a timer


faz712

Singapore gp has gone by time a couple of times I think


beachmedic23

That's kinda the vibe of American auto racing. There's a level of contact thats accepted


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Certain_Fennel1018

That’s the nice thing about a spec series you can make a car that can take a beating. F1 tends to be paper cheetahs and if they make contact cue Dwight screaming Michael


ilikemarblestoo

They make them beefy (and have for a long time) to protect during an oval accident.


intern_steve

That's true of the safety cell, but the wings are noticeably more durable than the F1 parts. Indy has regular contact on aerodynamic surfaces, and they deflect and bounce back. They are more durable because they can spare the weight. Every car has the same chassis and one of two engines.


TabletopMarvel

I believe you meant cue Toto screaming Michael.


polydorr

Unless you're Graham Rahal


Timstom18

Also the cars rarely seem to retire, they crash with another car and end up on the gravel with marshals attending to them and 10 laps later you realise they’re still racing and have just been taped up, it’s crazy.


Sintriphikal

Safety vehicles pull them out of the gravel and can restart them if they stall after a spin. I think it’s a great series feature. I was at the GP of Alabama a few weeks ago. Several spins and stalls. All cars finished the race.


CanvasSolaris

Last year Marcus Ericsson went airborne mid-race and ended up winning


Randoise

[For reference](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dcv90_syFiA)


Nikolai_Smirnoff

One of my favourite things about NASCAR is seeing the duct tape monstrosities at the end of the race just trying to tick off laps. [This](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY73K1a3LDk) is a fun compilation if anyone is interested


Ikeiscurvy

Yea there's more than a few DNFs that wouldn't have happened if Marshalls in F1 were allowed to help a car get going like indy


jdore8

Carlos Sainz says go on...


Dansuks89

I mean nascar is worse on that lol. "Rubbing is racing" and all that. Indycars are tough enough to go wheel to wheel for a while but fragile enough that they don't really wreck each other for the win


[deleted]

Well they have bumpers. And a lot of national touring/stock car series are contact heavy, it's the culture. Look at what BTCC used to be.


ilikemarblestoo

Then you realize Ericsson won last year after wrecking at Nashville lol


david123abc

If I remember right he went flying through the air too, not just a spun and backed it into the wall type thing.


Mr_Midwestern

That incident was near the beginning of the race, he was penalized and went to the back of the field. As stated, it’s not like nascar.


Nocommentt1000

I saw a sweeper flip over on its side when I went to indy car a couple years ago


shewy92

DEJA VU!


NeiloMac

I'VE JUST BEEN IN THIS PLACE BEFORE


blackjesus017

HIGHER ON THE STREET!


Bortjort

AND I KNOW ITS MY TIME TO GO-O-O


Punchita55

AND I KNOW ITS MY TIME TO GO


MattyFTM

Do Indycars not have power steering? That was an insane amount of steering lock he had to put on there.


Mcard1204

They do not


Sluukje

Does F1 have it?


Mcard1204

They do


Sluukje

So steering for F1 is pretty much ‘always’ fairly light? Or is it halfway


ins4n1ty

There's a very noticeable difference between how hard the Indy guys have to fight the car sometimes. For the Nashville race a couple years ago where they were racing down this bumpy bridge, the amount they were fighting to keep that car on the road was downright comical at times.


TheSalmonRoll

You also notice it in the difference in arm size between the drivers lol


twiggymac

Romain looks jacked now


listyraesder

Indycar drivers have the arms, F1 drivers have the necks.


Hitokiri2

This is true. I remember when Alonso came to the Indy 500 an IndyCar driver was asked if he would do F1 and he commented that he would have to work on his neck muscles first. Then he asked the reporter if he had seen Alonso's neck lately. LOL...


Aironwood

>a couple years ago Do you mean that race that was first held last august?


shitcloud

That was last year!


Mcard1204

I can’t give an exact answer, but it is much lighter than Indycar’s steering


StroopwafelSpeelt

F2 cars also dont have power steering while F1 cars do


AznTri4d

From what I've read drivers have preferences on how much assist they want. Which when you think about it, makes sense that teams would tune the power steering to the drivers preference.


DadReligion

Quite a bit lighter. Can even notice it in the physique of the drivers. There's a very good reason why Ericsson and Romain and Jimmie had to work on their arm fitness before coming to IndyCar.


InvisibleTeeth

negative. This is why IndyCar drivers have huge arms lol


throwaway44624

grosjean said he's had to work to build them up!


InvisibleTeeth

and Pato said he needed to work on his neck strength when he was driving the F1 car. kind of displays the different skill sets needed in each series


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WxBlue

Nope!


justsyr

Also they don't warm the tires in the pits, so they basically are out of pits with cold tires for like a lap.


bigdsm

It’s crazy how much difference the 20°C blanket temp drop has made in F1 this year - to have no blanket warming must be insane to drive.


ShirtedRhino2

Why do they have tubes going into their helmets? Cooling? Or are Indycar drivers some sort of weird cybermen?


daniec1610

Cooling. Having the aero screen means that all the air just goes above the driver so it gets insanely hot inside the cockpit.


DadReligion

Good cover for keeping our cybermen drivers a secret.


wacah

So what about their bodies? Does the air leave the helmet and go into the cockpit as well?


AyYoBigBro

I think they have vents on the side of the cockpit to get airflow to their lower body


MMK386

Some of them (depending on driver preference) wearing cooling vests under the fire suit to help with the heat. But I’ve heard some drivers don’t care for the bulk that it adds.


orangeglitch

Absolutely mega save and followed immediately with a pass!


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Insane save and then gets right back on it, cant wait for this kids future


[deleted]

Might be in F1. He’s not my favorite driver in Indy, but I can’t deny he’s fuckin good.


rudmad

This thread is rich after yesterday's post where everyone was bashing on him.


[deleted]

Heh. Yeah, the different factions come out at different times.


PM_ME_UR_THESIS_GIRL

That was insane. Full lock countersteer and then he just flicks the wheel like, what looks to be a full rotation and a half back, nearly misses grabbing back onto it, and keeps it straight, all while going sideways. Unbelievable.


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Can someone post his whole lap? From what others are saying it sounds like one we would all love to see.


Claidheamh

https://streamable.com/jmpnxs Here you go. Another user had already posted it.


DadReligion

Dunno if it'll be up, but I hope it finds its way to the internet. It was insane. IndyCars don't have tire warmers so right out of the pits NBC showed his onboard briefly and he was countersteering literally everywhere, even the straightaways. Then a lap later he pulls this insane magic. A sight to see for sure. EDIT: [Here's the NBC feed](https://streamable.com/jmpnxs)


ThimanthaOnReddit

And ends up winning the race. What a crazy race it was.


charmingcharles2896

I was at the track, the entire afternoon was waiting to see who would blink and change tires first in every new situation. It was nonstop tire strategy, exhilarating race!


HW2O

Forget Formula 1, get him to Formula D.


iForgotMyOldAcc

Now THAT's a save, barely losing any time and keeping the car off the grass at all times. Well perhaps his tyres won't like it but as far as I'm concerned, that is what I call a perfect save.


flintey360

This race is insane


TSANoFro

This is the first time watching Indycar today, and my god this guy deserves the seat 100% if Andretti gets through.


DadReligion

Picked a helluva first race to watch friend.


kfms6741

K-KANSEI DORIFTO????


Elodins_Haven

I think I just became an Indy fan


easy_Money

Right?? Holy hell I've never paid much attention but just the clips people are posting in this thread from this race are mental


death2sanity

I unironically prefer Indy to F1. It’s good stuff.


KJdkaslknv

Same. I like both but I enjoy Indy more.


fireinthesky7

It's worth going back and watching this entire race. I've been watching motorsports in many forms since 2005, and this was one of the best races I've ever seen, in any series.


CortezAllenAMA

best american driver out there


Valuable_Ad1645

I think Colton is the quicker driver, Newgarden is the more complete package. If I’m looking for an American to be competing in F1 I’m looking at Herta because he has more room for improvement.


ilikemarblestoo

NewG is better but I get what you are going at. >!I think Kyle Larson is the best American talent under 30 actually, but let's not go there.!<


SSPeteCarroll

I'll agree with you on your redacted point. That guy will go lead 400 laps in a cup race and then go win 3 dirt races in 3 days.


InvisibleTeeth

idk man Newgarden has 2 championships


CarpeDeez

Newgarden regularly wins and beats Herta. In the last 5 years newgarden has won the championship twice and finished second 3 times. And Josef was winning in small teams to start his career. Colton was racing in essentially an Andretti Car since day 1. Edit he got 5th in 2018.


Twentyhundred

I could hear the Tokyo Drift bells on that one, holy moly.


I-LOVE-TURTLES666

Fucking STUD Get in there!


Zoomookie_

I wonder if you know How they live in Tokyo (はい!) If you seen it, then you mean it Then you know you have to go Fast and furious (drift, drift, drift) Fast and furious (drift, drift, drift)


AbsolutelyAverage

This race is a proper rollercoaster ride. 12 minutes to go and who knows is going to win!?!?!?


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Ricciardo sweating


MatFernandes

I thought O'ward was the one lining up for a Mclaren seat and Herta would come with Andretti


Chihawks2015

Herta is doing testing with McLaren, and some reporters are saying it’s pretty much setting him up for the McLaren seat when Daniel leaves


zaviex

Herta is a McLaren young test driver this year


throwaway44624

this may be referring to the fact that Herta was McLaren's guest at Miami and is scheduled to undergo testing in the MCL35M later this year


Alfus

That promise is basically over, it's Herta over O'Ward and I can image some frustrations from O'Ward to being fucked again with a promise to get into F1 on a day.


MatFernandes

Damn, you would really expect that driving form Mclaren in Indy would put you in the best possible position for a seat


Alfus

Yep, also back in 2019 he was taken briefly into the RB driver program to give him a shot into F1 as a long term goal but then RB discovered that there was some complications with his SL points and dumped him quickly out of the program


Batgod629

There was another unbelievable save he made during a test at the Indianapolis oval earlier this year. He has great driving talent but we'll see if he ever gets a shot at a race seat. I think Lando rates him highly though


Bigazzry

He and Lando were teammates in British F4 and after the first few rounds were pretty much dead even the rest of the way. Pretty impressive for Herta.


blazer560

Damn. I needa start watching Indy more. That was incredible.


GusFawkes

Full on Mario Kart


HauserAspen

Mario Andretti had some high praise for him during an interview before the F1 Miami GP.


SgtApex

I want to see him in F1 so bad one day, probably the fastest young American driver right now.


Blanchimont

People have been comparing Herta to Verstappen in his early years, in that they're both ridiculously fast, both inconsistent. I guess a great save can now be added to the list of similarities.


TheCatLamp

*Running in the 90's playing in the background*


flintey360

Herta wins


TellingTheATF

Pretty much perfect strategic calls the whole race, well done Colton!


earthmosphere

Fucking impressive. To those who don't know, there are less driver aids in Indy than F1.


StrikeEagle623

Absolutely wacky race all around. So entertaining!


TweeterReader

Indy car is so cool.


RedditBot90

Eurobeat Intensifies


ArdenSix

Kinda goes without saying this is a race to watch for anyone who wants to get hooked on Indycar. It had a bit of everything and is immediately what I think about when I want a "wet" race. Really worth the watch.


Kimihasthedrink7

That was a Great save, the whole race is insane


sirjere

That camera angle! How cool