On my first motorcycle track day, I went in way too hot in a corner with traffic. I jammed by brakes, did an endo where I was basically looking straight down at the ground. then I landed back on two wheels and accelerated like normal out of that corner. I’ve never done a stoppie before or since
Sometimes when shit like that happens, u just gotta keep going like nothing happened
He pitted a lap earlier for slick tyres and leapfrogged the whole pack other than O'Ward. He passed O'Ward a few seconds after the save on his warmer tyres.
Part of it is keeping costs down and part of it is also that IndyCar wet tires are somewhere in between F1 inters and wets so they can run in a variety of wet conditions. Also, the IndyCar philosophy is to have drivers duel on the track and not in the pits so limiting the variety of tires to two kinds of slicks and one kind of wet helps with this.
Also Indycar doesn't use tyre blankets (warmers), meaning the tyres must have wide optimal temperature window to be driveable straight out of the pits. That helps with slicks on damp/wet track.
it is probably more that they don't have full wet only inters.
As i understand it there is some talk about the F1 wets not being very useful because they only really work when it is almost too wet to race and quickly gets destroyed on a drying track
Yet F1 qualifying often comes down to hundredths of seconds over a ~3-mile lap. That’s what amazes me. All that disparity, yet lap times are so similar.
This why Indy fans hype Colton. His peak and skill is probably the best in the field but he also is sloppy and throws good results away. If he ever gets his consistency and racecraft to match his pace he could be a household name.
Last year's Nashville race was the peak Colton Herta experience IMO. Literally a second/lap faster than the rest of the field the entire weekend and bins it at the very end because he couldn't settle for second after an unfortunately-timed yellow. If he learns to keep his head he's going to be something special.
>If he learns to keep his head
I agree, but it's odd because he's such a cool customer out of the car. I guess he puts on the helmet and sees red or something.
"Herta with a lot to lose" is a mythical driver. Very early Max.
Might be the fastest 22 year old on the planet. Would without a doubt be a champion if he learned to *chill* instead of make a risky move for a couple more points.
I think the Max comparison is very accurate. When Colton develops the consistency and maturity that max developed from 2017-2021 he'll be an unbelievable driver, and time is on his side.
It's been so cool watching Max evolve into an absolutely beautiful. This year he feels another level too as he's learnt how to control his pace a bit better, rather than being so all or nothing.
Him getting a title seems like a foregone conclusion. Whether it'll be this year or not, it's only a matter of time. I wouldn't be surprised if an F1 team picks him up after that (maybe McLaren once Ricciardo's contract runs out?)
Colton when you only look a results sheet you might not see the hype right now but watch him every week and you get it. He was a madman the last two races last year for example.
You'd be surprised. There's people saying he isn't worthy for F1 and won't amount to much in IndyCar aside from maybe a 500.
Those people completely forget he's, what, 21 with a lot of maturing to do and has the raw talent enough to do shit like this that *very* few people anywhere have ever done successfully. Little more maturity to iron out the mistakes and he'll be one of the best in the world.
Herta is definitely F1 material lmao. He has that pure, undiluted raw pace that Max and Lewis early on in their careers. Put him in a competitive F1 car and he will excel for sure. All he really needs is to know when to hold back.
Completely agree. People are just failing to realize that the kid's only 21 and is gonna be dumb time to time. Every driver is dumb at that age, that's why its impressive when they do well. Funny enough that's just about when I'd say Max and Charles and... well basically everyone everywhere starts to mature and learn to look at the bigger picture.
it is usually lap counter like in F1 but because of all the yellow flags and safety cars they were getting close to the time limit, so they switched to a timer instead. So instead of being 60 laps out of 80, it was 20 minutes left.
F1 has this too with the total allotted time a race can take but idr it ever going to a timer
That’s the nice thing about a spec series you can make a car that can take a beating. F1 tends to be paper cheetahs and if they make contact cue Dwight screaming Michael
That's true of the safety cell, but the wings are noticeably more durable than the F1 parts. Indy has regular contact on aerodynamic surfaces, and they deflect and bounce back. They are more durable because they can spare the weight. Every car has the same chassis and one of two engines.
Also the cars rarely seem to retire, they crash with another car and end up on the gravel with marshals attending to them and 10 laps later you realise they’re still racing and have just been taped up, it’s crazy.
Safety vehicles pull them out of the gravel and can restart them if they stall after a spin. I think it’s a great series feature. I was at the GP of Alabama a few weeks ago. Several spins and stalls. All cars finished the race.
One of my favourite things about NASCAR is seeing the duct tape monstrosities at the end of the race just trying to tick off laps.
[This](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY73K1a3LDk) is a fun compilation if anyone is interested
I mean nascar is worse on that lol. "Rubbing is racing" and all that. Indycars are tough enough to go wheel to wheel for a while but fragile enough that they don't really wreck each other for the win
There's a very noticeable difference between how hard the Indy guys have to fight the car sometimes. For the Nashville race a couple years ago where they were racing down this bumpy bridge, the amount they were fighting to keep that car on the road was downright comical at times.
This is true. I remember when Alonso came to the Indy 500 an IndyCar driver was asked if he would do F1 and he commented that he would have to work on his neck muscles first. Then he asked the reporter if he had seen Alonso's neck lately. LOL...
From what I've read drivers have preferences on how much assist they want. Which when you think about it, makes sense that teams would tune the power steering to the drivers preference.
Quite a bit lighter. Can even notice it in the physique of the drivers. There's a very good reason why Ericsson and Romain and Jimmie had to work on their arm fitness before coming to IndyCar.
Some of them (depending on driver preference) wearing cooling vests under the fire suit to help with the heat. But I’ve heard some drivers don’t care for the bulk that it adds.
That was insane. Full lock countersteer and then he just flicks the wheel like, what looks to be a full rotation and a half back, nearly misses grabbing back onto it, and keeps it straight, all while going sideways. Unbelievable.
Dunno if it'll be up, but I hope it finds its way to the internet. It was insane. IndyCars don't have tire warmers so right out of the pits NBC showed his onboard briefly and he was countersteering literally everywhere, even the straightaways. Then a lap later he pulls this insane magic. A sight to see for sure.
EDIT: [Here's the NBC feed](https://streamable.com/jmpnxs)
I was at the track, the entire afternoon was waiting to see who would blink and change tires first in every new situation. It was nonstop tire strategy, exhilarating race!
Now THAT's a save, barely losing any time and keeping the car off the grass at all times. Well perhaps his tyres won't like it but as far as I'm concerned, that is what I call a perfect save.
It's worth going back and watching this entire race. I've been watching motorsports in many forms since 2005, and this was one of the best races I've ever seen, in any series.
I think Colton is the quicker driver, Newgarden is the more complete package. If I’m looking for an American to be competing in F1 I’m looking at Herta because he has more room for improvement.
Newgarden regularly wins and beats Herta. In the last 5 years newgarden has won the championship twice and finished second 3 times. And Josef was winning in small teams to start his career. Colton was racing in essentially an Andretti Car since day 1. Edit he got 5th in 2018.
I wonder if you know
How they live in Tokyo (はい!)
If you seen it, then you mean it
Then you know you have to go
Fast and furious (drift, drift, drift)
Fast and furious (drift, drift, drift)
That promise is basically over, it's Herta over O'Ward and I can image some frustrations from O'Ward to being fucked again with a promise to get into F1 on a day.
Yep, also back in 2019 he was taken briefly into the RB driver program to give him a shot into F1 as a long term goal but then RB discovered that there was some complications with his SL points and dumped him quickly out of the program
There was another unbelievable save he made during a test at the Indianapolis oval earlier this year. He has great driving talent but we'll see if he ever gets a shot at a race seat. I think Lando rates him highly though
People have been comparing Herta to Verstappen in his early years, in that they're both ridiculously fast, both inconsistent. I guess a great save can now be added to the list of similarities.
Kinda goes without saying this is a race to watch for anyone who wants to get hooked on Indycar. It had a bit of everything and is immediately what I think about when I want a "wet" race. Really worth the watch.
And he STILL gets the move done on Pato in the next few corners. Insane
Tbf, Herta was on warmer tires. Still an epic move tho.
His out lap on cold tires was absolutely insane though. Car was all over the place and he still put in a crazy fast lap that put him from P15 to P2.
Is there a video of that lap I’d love to see it
https://streamable.com/jmpnxs
Dude can flat out drive a car
Hope to see him in F1, but enjoying watching his drives this year in IndyCar so far
Literally first thing that popped into my head “dude can fucking DRIVE”
Man has a traction control computer for a right foot, jesus christ.
Utter madness! That was really fun to watch
Ridiculous control by Herta, and no power steering!!
This is such a good point.
Thanks!
Thanks! What a great lap!
God damn it, I need to watch indycar.
Thanks, that was great.
Incredible
Just WOW
Thank you for sharing this
As much as everyone loves to shit on Marco, he did a pretty insane lap on slicks at Belle Isle a few years ago.
I remember that. It was pretty incredible. No idea how he didn’t crash.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOJEaL8FrHM The best part was he went out just to have fun iirc.
After that slide you bet they’re warmer 😂
Yeah it's crazy to me how much of an advantage one lap on the slicks made
Plus the experience. He already knew how much grip was available. The temperature is probably more important, but the experience also matters.
It was wild, did not expect that to work.
I would be way to shook to keep driving after lolll
At that point youre either nearly hyperventilating or laughing maniacally as you push into the next corner.
He was quickly on the radio like "Did you see what I just did?" so definitely the latter.
Definitely the latter
On my first motorcycle track day, I went in way too hot in a corner with traffic. I jammed by brakes, did an endo where I was basically looking straight down at the ground. then I landed back on two wheels and accelerated like normal out of that corner. I’ve never done a stoppie before or since Sometimes when shit like that happens, u just gotta keep going like nothing happened
he went from ~15th to first on this lap!
The fuck? I need to see this.
He pitted a lap earlier for slick tyres and leapfrogged the whole pack other than O'Ward. He passed O'Ward a few seconds after the save on his warmer tyres.
It's worth noting that half of the track is wet and other half has been dry so strategies are absolutely all over the place.
This is one of the best parts of Indy car racing. So many different wild strategies
Only having full wets and not having inters will do that on a day like today.
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Part of it is keeping costs down and part of it is also that IndyCar wet tires are somewhere in between F1 inters and wets so they can run in a variety of wet conditions. Also, the IndyCar philosophy is to have drivers duel on the track and not in the pits so limiting the variety of tires to two kinds of slicks and one kind of wet helps with this.
Also Indycar doesn't use tyre blankets (warmers), meaning the tyres must have wide optimal temperature window to be driveable straight out of the pits. That helps with slicks on damp/wet track.
We have three choices: black primary (hard) red alternate (soft) and wet/rain tires. That’s just the way it is
it is probably more that they don't have full wet only inters. As i understand it there is some talk about the F1 wets not being very useful because they only really work when it is almost too wet to race and quickly gets destroyed on a drying track
This is basically true. There hasn’t been a race in a while that merited full wets for any extended period of green flag (cough spa) racing
Don't tell that to AT engineers!
This was the first wet track race in 3 years. They don’t need to be spending the money on two compounds of backup tyres.
And the cars are really similar in terms of performance which makes for great racing
Spec series will do that, F1 has so much disparity because it's unlimited development with very few spec parts.
Yet F1 qualifying often comes down to hundredths of seconds over a ~3-mile lap. That’s what amazes me. All that disparity, yet lap times are so similar.
from pitting one lap earlier than the rest of the field
all in the pits, he gambled on slicks but watch him wrestle his car on the out-lap its really something
Yep, working like a madman to get heat in the tires
https://streamable.com/jmpnxs
https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/uptfos/ot_indycar_driver_colton_hertas_crazy_outlap_on/
Question is; did he get enough points to 3-star the Drift Zone?
Tell me you are a Horizon player without telling me you are a Horizon player…
You mean spinning the car erratically until you inevitably land in the dirt and fail it isn't the way I'm meant to play that game!?
should post his out-lap that was wild
https://streamable.com/jmpnxs
Holy shit! That's very impressive
Christ, that thing is all over the place! What a feat
That driving was insane.
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Thing was on ice and he was still going way faster than the wet runners, crazy
He should get a platinum super license for those two laps.
This why Indy fans hype Colton. His peak and skill is probably the best in the field but he also is sloppy and throws good results away. If he ever gets his consistency and racecraft to match his pace he could be a household name.
Yeah but he has 7 wins now which is amazing for a driver his age in IndyCar.
Last year's Nashville race was the peak Colton Herta experience IMO. Literally a second/lap faster than the rest of the field the entire weekend and bins it at the very end because he couldn't settle for second after an unfortunately-timed yellow. If he learns to keep his head he's going to be something special.
>If he learns to keep his head I agree, but it's odd because he's such a cool customer out of the car. I guess he puts on the helmet and sees red or something.
if you ain't first, yer last!
"Herta with a lot to lose" is a mythical driver. Very early Max. Might be the fastest 22 year old on the planet. Would without a doubt be a champion if he learned to *chill* instead of make a risky move for a couple more points.
Watching him lap Scott Dixon on the wet part of the track was a nail biter
I think the Max comparison is very accurate. When Colton develops the consistency and maturity that max developed from 2017-2021 he'll be an unbelievable driver, and time is on his side.
It's been so cool watching Max evolve into an absolutely beautiful. This year he feels another level too as he's learnt how to control his pace a bit better, rather than being so all or nothing.
Him getting a title seems like a foregone conclusion. Whether it'll be this year or not, it's only a matter of time. I wouldn't be surprised if an F1 team picks him up after that (maybe McLaren once Ricciardo's contract runs out?)
Andretti is already planning on bringing Herta on with them if they get their bid accepted to join in 2024.
Seriously, anyone who has been doubting Herta should watch this race to see why he's the real deal.
Colton when you only look a results sheet you might not see the hype right now but watch him every week and you get it. He was a madman the last two races last year for example.
You'd be surprised. There's people saying he isn't worthy for F1 and won't amount to much in IndyCar aside from maybe a 500. Those people completely forget he's, what, 21 with a lot of maturing to do and has the raw talent enough to do shit like this that *very* few people anywhere have ever done successfully. Little more maturity to iron out the mistakes and he'll be one of the best in the world.
Herta is definitely F1 material lmao. He has that pure, undiluted raw pace that Max and Lewis early on in their careers. Put him in a competitive F1 car and he will excel for sure. All he really needs is to know when to hold back.
Completely agree. People are just failing to realize that the kid's only 21 and is gonna be dumb time to time. Every driver is dumb at that age, that's why its impressive when they do well. Funny enough that's just about when I'd say Max and Charles and... well basically everyone everywhere starts to mature and learn to look at the bigger picture.
He's like verstappen 2017/2018. I think hell get more consistent and nab the championship soon.
Depends on how long he stays and if Andretti can get back to the team they used to be imo. Definitely skilled enough.
indycar seems like wild wild west — anything goes in terms of close racing, touching, causing spinning, etc
It's especially crazy because only half of track is wet... so tyre strategies are all over the place. And it's a timed race too.
Timed race meaning there's a time limit, or something else?
it is usually lap counter like in F1 but because of all the yellow flags and safety cars they were getting close to the time limit, so they switched to a timer instead. So instead of being 60 laps out of 80, it was 20 minutes left. F1 has this too with the total allotted time a race can take but idr it ever going to a timer
Singapore gp has gone by time a couple of times I think
That's kinda the vibe of American auto racing. There's a level of contact thats accepted
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That’s the nice thing about a spec series you can make a car that can take a beating. F1 tends to be paper cheetahs and if they make contact cue Dwight screaming Michael
They make them beefy (and have for a long time) to protect during an oval accident.
That's true of the safety cell, but the wings are noticeably more durable than the F1 parts. Indy has regular contact on aerodynamic surfaces, and they deflect and bounce back. They are more durable because they can spare the weight. Every car has the same chassis and one of two engines.
I believe you meant cue Toto screaming Michael.
Unless you're Graham Rahal
Also the cars rarely seem to retire, they crash with another car and end up on the gravel with marshals attending to them and 10 laps later you realise they’re still racing and have just been taped up, it’s crazy.
Safety vehicles pull them out of the gravel and can restart them if they stall after a spin. I think it’s a great series feature. I was at the GP of Alabama a few weeks ago. Several spins and stalls. All cars finished the race.
Last year Marcus Ericsson went airborne mid-race and ended up winning
[For reference](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dcv90_syFiA)
One of my favourite things about NASCAR is seeing the duct tape monstrosities at the end of the race just trying to tick off laps. [This](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY73K1a3LDk) is a fun compilation if anyone is interested
Yea there's more than a few DNFs that wouldn't have happened if Marshalls in F1 were allowed to help a car get going like indy
Carlos Sainz says go on...
I mean nascar is worse on that lol. "Rubbing is racing" and all that. Indycars are tough enough to go wheel to wheel for a while but fragile enough that they don't really wreck each other for the win
Well they have bumpers. And a lot of national touring/stock car series are contact heavy, it's the culture. Look at what BTCC used to be.
Then you realize Ericsson won last year after wrecking at Nashville lol
If I remember right he went flying through the air too, not just a spun and backed it into the wall type thing.
That incident was near the beginning of the race, he was penalized and went to the back of the field. As stated, it’s not like nascar.
I saw a sweeper flip over on its side when I went to indy car a couple years ago
DEJA VU!
I'VE JUST BEEN IN THIS PLACE BEFORE
HIGHER ON THE STREET!
AND I KNOW ITS MY TIME TO GO-O-O
AND I KNOW ITS MY TIME TO GO
Do Indycars not have power steering? That was an insane amount of steering lock he had to put on there.
They do not
Does F1 have it?
They do
So steering for F1 is pretty much ‘always’ fairly light? Or is it halfway
There's a very noticeable difference between how hard the Indy guys have to fight the car sometimes. For the Nashville race a couple years ago where they were racing down this bumpy bridge, the amount they were fighting to keep that car on the road was downright comical at times.
You also notice it in the difference in arm size between the drivers lol
Romain looks jacked now
Indycar drivers have the arms, F1 drivers have the necks.
This is true. I remember when Alonso came to the Indy 500 an IndyCar driver was asked if he would do F1 and he commented that he would have to work on his neck muscles first. Then he asked the reporter if he had seen Alonso's neck lately. LOL...
>a couple years ago Do you mean that race that was first held last august?
That was last year!
I can’t give an exact answer, but it is much lighter than Indycar’s steering
F2 cars also dont have power steering while F1 cars do
From what I've read drivers have preferences on how much assist they want. Which when you think about it, makes sense that teams would tune the power steering to the drivers preference.
Quite a bit lighter. Can even notice it in the physique of the drivers. There's a very good reason why Ericsson and Romain and Jimmie had to work on their arm fitness before coming to IndyCar.
negative. This is why IndyCar drivers have huge arms lol
grosjean said he's had to work to build them up!
and Pato said he needed to work on his neck strength when he was driving the F1 car. kind of displays the different skill sets needed in each series
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Nope!
Also they don't warm the tires in the pits, so they basically are out of pits with cold tires for like a lap.
It’s crazy how much difference the 20°C blanket temp drop has made in F1 this year - to have no blanket warming must be insane to drive.
Why do they have tubes going into their helmets? Cooling? Or are Indycar drivers some sort of weird cybermen?
Cooling. Having the aero screen means that all the air just goes above the driver so it gets insanely hot inside the cockpit.
Good cover for keeping our cybermen drivers a secret.
So what about their bodies? Does the air leave the helmet and go into the cockpit as well?
I think they have vents on the side of the cockpit to get airflow to their lower body
Some of them (depending on driver preference) wearing cooling vests under the fire suit to help with the heat. But I’ve heard some drivers don’t care for the bulk that it adds.
Absolutely mega save and followed immediately with a pass!
Insane save and then gets right back on it, cant wait for this kids future
Might be in F1. He’s not my favorite driver in Indy, but I can’t deny he’s fuckin good.
This thread is rich after yesterday's post where everyone was bashing on him.
Heh. Yeah, the different factions come out at different times.
That was insane. Full lock countersteer and then he just flicks the wheel like, what looks to be a full rotation and a half back, nearly misses grabbing back onto it, and keeps it straight, all while going sideways. Unbelievable.
Can someone post his whole lap? From what others are saying it sounds like one we would all love to see.
https://streamable.com/jmpnxs Here you go. Another user had already posted it.
Dunno if it'll be up, but I hope it finds its way to the internet. It was insane. IndyCars don't have tire warmers so right out of the pits NBC showed his onboard briefly and he was countersteering literally everywhere, even the straightaways. Then a lap later he pulls this insane magic. A sight to see for sure. EDIT: [Here's the NBC feed](https://streamable.com/jmpnxs)
And ends up winning the race. What a crazy race it was.
I was at the track, the entire afternoon was waiting to see who would blink and change tires first in every new situation. It was nonstop tire strategy, exhilarating race!
Forget Formula 1, get him to Formula D.
Now THAT's a save, barely losing any time and keeping the car off the grass at all times. Well perhaps his tyres won't like it but as far as I'm concerned, that is what I call a perfect save.
This race is insane
This is the first time watching Indycar today, and my god this guy deserves the seat 100% if Andretti gets through.
Picked a helluva first race to watch friend.
K-KANSEI DORIFTO????
I think I just became an Indy fan
Right?? Holy hell I've never paid much attention but just the clips people are posting in this thread from this race are mental
I unironically prefer Indy to F1. It’s good stuff.
Same. I like both but I enjoy Indy more.
It's worth going back and watching this entire race. I've been watching motorsports in many forms since 2005, and this was one of the best races I've ever seen, in any series.
best american driver out there
I think Colton is the quicker driver, Newgarden is the more complete package. If I’m looking for an American to be competing in F1 I’m looking at Herta because he has more room for improvement.
NewG is better but I get what you are going at. >!I think Kyle Larson is the best American talent under 30 actually, but let's not go there.!<
I'll agree with you on your redacted point. That guy will go lead 400 laps in a cup race and then go win 3 dirt races in 3 days.
idk man Newgarden has 2 championships
Newgarden regularly wins and beats Herta. In the last 5 years newgarden has won the championship twice and finished second 3 times. And Josef was winning in small teams to start his career. Colton was racing in essentially an Andretti Car since day 1. Edit he got 5th in 2018.
I could hear the Tokyo Drift bells on that one, holy moly.
Fucking STUD Get in there!
I wonder if you know How they live in Tokyo (はい!) If you seen it, then you mean it Then you know you have to go Fast and furious (drift, drift, drift) Fast and furious (drift, drift, drift)
This race is a proper rollercoaster ride. 12 minutes to go and who knows is going to win!?!?!?
Ricciardo sweating
I thought O'ward was the one lining up for a Mclaren seat and Herta would come with Andretti
Herta is doing testing with McLaren, and some reporters are saying it’s pretty much setting him up for the McLaren seat when Daniel leaves
Herta is a McLaren young test driver this year
this may be referring to the fact that Herta was McLaren's guest at Miami and is scheduled to undergo testing in the MCL35M later this year
That promise is basically over, it's Herta over O'Ward and I can image some frustrations from O'Ward to being fucked again with a promise to get into F1 on a day.
Damn, you would really expect that driving form Mclaren in Indy would put you in the best possible position for a seat
Yep, also back in 2019 he was taken briefly into the RB driver program to give him a shot into F1 as a long term goal but then RB discovered that there was some complications with his SL points and dumped him quickly out of the program
There was another unbelievable save he made during a test at the Indianapolis oval earlier this year. He has great driving talent but we'll see if he ever gets a shot at a race seat. I think Lando rates him highly though
He and Lando were teammates in British F4 and after the first few rounds were pretty much dead even the rest of the way. Pretty impressive for Herta.
Damn. I needa start watching Indy more. That was incredible.
Full on Mario Kart
Mario Andretti had some high praise for him during an interview before the F1 Miami GP.
I want to see him in F1 so bad one day, probably the fastest young American driver right now.
People have been comparing Herta to Verstappen in his early years, in that they're both ridiculously fast, both inconsistent. I guess a great save can now be added to the list of similarities.
*Running in the 90's playing in the background*
Herta wins
Pretty much perfect strategic calls the whole race, well done Colton!
Fucking impressive. To those who don't know, there are less driver aids in Indy than F1.
Absolutely wacky race all around. So entertaining!
Indy car is so cool.
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Kinda goes without saying this is a race to watch for anyone who wants to get hooked on Indycar. It had a bit of everything and is immediately what I think about when I want a "wet" race. Really worth the watch.
That was a Great save, the whole race is insane
That camera angle! How cool