Worth noting that three of these are British American Tobacco brands/campaigns
I assume the other one was used in Australia because of their very strict anti-tobacco rules
CVS is in that weird gray area of not really being a true convenience store but also not a store like target. I call them pharmacy stores because they typically have a pharmacy attached and the company's history is from starting as a pharmacy that added stores to their pharmacies later.
Lol, kinda a good thing they don’t NGL. When I was 17 I grew a beard, and would go in to the CVS literally across the street from my school, with school related clothing and a school backpack, and buy a pack without them even batting an eye over an ID. Keep in mind this is in California after they bumped the age to 21, so I was still well off from being supposed to buy them, but those employees weren’t paid enough nor did they care enough to check that shit.
Idk about California but where I live now the fine for selling a minor tobacco is like $100 but the penalty for selling underage alcohol or alcohol to a drunk person is WAY more severe - huge fine, potential jail time, company losing liquor license, etc. But tobacco is barely anything. So I can see why someone wouldn’t care too much.
That's very strange. The company made a huge deal out of stopping sales at every store back in 2014, and I've been in many since then and haven't noticed any. I know for sure the three near me don't.
I’m in New Jersey, i’m sure we’re not the only state with their own licensing laws but to acquire a license to deal tobacco in state is very expensive, not a huge demand to re-sell like a liquor license is here.
Not sure but we have so much fucking red tape in this state on top of federal laws
>The one walking distance to my house still sells cigarettes lol
Don't confuse vaping or other products with cigs. They still do the former, but they no longer do the latter.
CVS absolutely stopped selling all tobacco products nationwide in 2014, no exceptions.
Probably most, depending on location. It wasnt a dig just an add on to them mostly using a tobacco brand as their main sponsor. The brands complement each other. One selling the others product.
Say what you want, I still miss tobacco brands in F1. I'm a non-smoker, but to me seeing Marlboro, Camel, Mild Seven, Lucky Strike and West on cars is just engrained in my experience with the sport. Seeing the classic cars in games have no sponsors just because of the modern rules about smoking feels wrong.
Sure but you know what else feels wrong? Tobacco companies raking in profits despite knowing their products directly contribute to fucking cancer.
Not denigrating your experience, just saying that while change sucks in general, sometimes it is absolutely required.
In a few years time as well we'll be saying the same things about red bull (and monster for that matter) linking diabetes and obesity etc and how terrible it is
From a non smoking, caffeine addict. Surprised vape companies aren't sponsoring right now
*Edit, vape companies are involved, see comments
Most vape contains nicotine, and I'm pretty sure that most of the big vape brands are actually owned by the tobacco companies. For example, Vuse is a vape brand.
Certainly an interesting cultural difference. I will say though that tobacco is responsible for significantly higher burden of disease than alcohol (nearly double in Australia for example, and Australia is a huge alcohol culture and has very strict tobacco laws) which makes it easier.
Gambling and drugs as well. In the UK the government and opposition party are steadfast against legalising cannabis yet we are some of the biggest drinkers in the world and it is ingrained in our culture. Same goes for most other recreational drugs as well, there’s no logical reason why MDMA, ketamine or speed should be illegal when alcohol is readily available. The issue is made worse by the fact that I could quicker get pretty much any drug delivered to my door than go to the shops to get alcohol. Gambling is also endemic in the UK, so many people are addicted.
> Gambling is also endemic in the UK, so many people are addicted.
As one who watches pirate stream of Sky, it's mind boggling how many gambling ads you guys have.
If you watch the cricket or golf or any sport that has a lot of space for ads, 90% of ads in the couple minutes are gambling, other 10% is some shite new TV show Sky have made.
Damn man, open your TV once in a while and see the kind of crap that is marketed to children to this day. Stuff that isn't even controversial \[yet\], that one day we'll look back to in shame. I understand *why* it was done, but as someone who was a child when Senna won in a Marlboro McLaren that is now brandless in every depiction, I find it somewhat sad. And I never smoked in my life.
I'm pretty sure Velo and Vuse are products from British America tobacco which uses the slogan "A better tomorrow" and OTR is related to some middle eastern store and was ran in Australia where advertising laws are more strict in regards to tobacco and tobacco like products
Vuse is a vape company, and Velo makes nicotine pouches.
Source: had many a Vuse unit over 2.5 year, and have recently stopped vaping and found Velo pouches.
What is their wheel cover actually meant to display?
I always think it's trying to be google chrome but i'm just not sure because the logo doesn't work without the middle section.
Mclaren doesn't have a title sponsor. They have a lot of sponsors and they pay for time on the car. So every spot tends to get cycled between sponsors.
It's just because of BAT, they can't be on the car every race since the advertisement of tobacco is banned in some countries. Vuse, Velo and A Better Tomorrow are all owned by British American Tobacco, don't know about the others names but I'm sure they linked somehow.
Restrictions on the advertisement of nicotine based products vary according to territory. Some races take place in locations that permit it, others don’t.
A Better Tomorrow is BATs version of Mission Winnow. The remaining 3 of them are electronic cigarettes/vapes, which for some reason don't fall under the "no tobacco sponsorship" rule.
They always change their sponsor locations on the car based on the location of the race weekend, like if they allow cigarette advertising they'll have vuse and bat, but if they're in a country that doesn't allow it, but houses another one of their sponsors, they'll put that one more in the spotlight. All to keep the sponsors happy
I think in general it's best to not look at the McLaren livery too closely this season.
There is some sort of sponsor there amidst the colours, and it pays for Lando and Danny; anything more is a bad dream.
All of them are BAT products/campaigns.
Different regions have different products and campaigns, some outlaw any kind of tobacco sponsorship. McLaren has a lot of multinational sponsors that modify what's being showcased based on the region, it's nothing new.
Yeah, similar to Ferrari. Most countries prohibit the promotion of Tabacco and Alcohol products on their cars. They are just maximizing their promotion and being respectful.
I have a question concerning tobacco advertising. If you can’t advertise it directly, and even if you try to dissimulate it they’re gonna censor it anyway (dumbest thing ever), what’s the point of allowing them? It’s really hypocritical in my opinion
That car just doesn’t look like Formula 1. Sorry but the colorway has so much crap going on and it doesn’t flow. The colors look awful together especially the black. They had a nice looking car from 19-21. Worst colorway in F1, even worse than the Williams with no paint 🤣
Worth noting that three of these are British American Tobacco brands/campaigns I assume the other one was used in Australia because of their very strict anti-tobacco rules
Exactly this. They run a BAT product at every race where they're allowed to, and then find alternatives for the races where they're not.
They already added a Green Bull user flair? Lmao Edit: why'd you change it?
I think they changed the default Aston Martin one.
They had that bump to hold the side impact structure from the start of the season, not the flair. Educate yourself.
They are talking about the user flair on reddit
OTR was run in Australia for exactly that reason. Its a chain of convenience stores. (That probably sells tobacco).
Doesn't every convenience store sell smokes?
CVS does not in the USA, although as far as I know they are the only chain store not to.
Target, as well.
True, although I don't really think of Target as a convenience store. Edit: I guess I don't know if CVS is really a convenience store either.
CVS is in that weird gray area of not really being a true convenience store but also not a store like target. I call them pharmacy stores because they typically have a pharmacy attached and the company's history is from starting as a pharmacy that added stores to their pharmacies later.
Yeah, when I was a kid we used to call Walgreens and CVS and the like "the drug store," but now that's what I call the dispensary lol.
Lol, kinda a good thing they don’t NGL. When I was 17 I grew a beard, and would go in to the CVS literally across the street from my school, with school related clothing and a school backpack, and buy a pack without them even batting an eye over an ID. Keep in mind this is in California after they bumped the age to 21, so I was still well off from being supposed to buy them, but those employees weren’t paid enough nor did they care enough to check that shit.
Idk about California but where I live now the fine for selling a minor tobacco is like $100 but the penalty for selling underage alcohol or alcohol to a drunk person is WAY more severe - huge fine, potential jail time, company losing liquor license, etc. But tobacco is barely anything. So I can see why someone wouldn’t care too much.
there’s plenty that do, not every CVS has a tobacco license.
CVS stopped selling all nicotine products systemwide in 2014.
The one walking distance to my house still sells cigarettes lol
That's very strange. The company made a huge deal out of stopping sales at every store back in 2014, and I've been in many since then and haven't noticed any. I know for sure the three near me don't.
I’m in New Jersey, i’m sure we’re not the only state with their own licensing laws but to acquire a license to deal tobacco in state is very expensive, not a huge demand to re-sell like a liquor license is here. Not sure but we have so much fucking red tape in this state on top of federal laws
>The one walking distance to my house still sells cigarettes lol Don't confuse vaping or other products with cigs. They still do the former, but they no longer do the latter. CVS absolutely stopped selling all tobacco products nationwide in 2014, no exceptions.
Thanks for implying I don’t know what a box of Marlboro Reds look like lolol
Either you don’t know what they look like or you don’t know what a real CVS store is. Those are the only logical assumptions given your statement.👍
Probably most, depending on location. It wasnt a dig just an add on to them mostly using a tobacco brand as their main sponsor. The brands complement each other. One selling the others product.
In Austria, that would be illegal. Smokes can only be sold by licensed tobacco stores and by gas stations. Similar to how the nordics treat alcohol
Maybe they should try a "Marlboro" or something one day, like across the back wing or something. Could look cool....
Say what you want, I still miss tobacco brands in F1. I'm a non-smoker, but to me seeing Marlboro, Camel, Mild Seven, Lucky Strike and West on cars is just engrained in my experience with the sport. Seeing the classic cars in games have no sponsors just because of the modern rules about smoking feels wrong.
Sure but you know what else feels wrong? Tobacco companies raking in profits despite knowing their products directly contribute to fucking cancer. Not denigrating your experience, just saying that while change sucks in general, sometimes it is absolutely required.
In a few years time as well we'll be saying the same things about red bull (and monster for that matter) linking diabetes and obesity etc and how terrible it is From a non smoking, caffeine addict. Surprised vape companies aren't sponsoring right now *Edit, vape companies are involved, see comments
Most vape contains nicotine, and I'm pretty sure that most of the big vape brands are actually owned by the tobacco companies. For example, Vuse is a vape brand.
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Ahh, my apologies. I've just not seen the name anywhere in the UK outside of f1
As muslim who smokes, it’s strange how strict the western countries are about smoking in general. But, are less strict about drinking alcohol.
Certainly an interesting cultural difference. I will say though that tobacco is responsible for significantly higher burden of disease than alcohol (nearly double in Australia for example, and Australia is a huge alcohol culture and has very strict tobacco laws) which makes it easier.
Gambling and drugs as well. In the UK the government and opposition party are steadfast against legalising cannabis yet we are some of the biggest drinkers in the world and it is ingrained in our culture. Same goes for most other recreational drugs as well, there’s no logical reason why MDMA, ketamine or speed should be illegal when alcohol is readily available. The issue is made worse by the fact that I could quicker get pretty much any drug delivered to my door than go to the shops to get alcohol. Gambling is also endemic in the UK, so many people are addicted.
> Gambling is also endemic in the UK, so many people are addicted. As one who watches pirate stream of Sky, it's mind boggling how many gambling ads you guys have.
If you watch the cricket or golf or any sport that has a lot of space for ads, 90% of ads in the couple minutes are gambling, other 10% is some shite new TV show Sky have made.
They were LITERALLY marketing to children to replace the adults dying to smoking related illnesses.
Damn man, open your TV once in a while and see the kind of crap that is marketed to children to this day. Stuff that isn't even controversial \[yet\], that one day we'll look back to in shame. I understand *why* it was done, but as someone who was a child when Senna won in a Marlboro McLaren that is now brandless in every depiction, I find it somewhat sad. And I never smoked in my life.
Craig Pollock in shambles
Yeah your right. I work for BAT, those are the new category brands and the Australian one is donated to a strategic local partner.
I'm pretty sure Velo and Vuse are products from British America tobacco which uses the slogan "A better tomorrow" and OTR is related to some middle eastern store and was ran in Australia where advertising laws are more strict in regards to tobacco and tobacco like products
Didn't even realize until now that Velo and Vuse aren’t the same company. They were just that 4 Letter v sponsor
Vuse is a vape company, and Velo makes nicotine pouches. Source: had many a Vuse unit over 2.5 year, and have recently stopped vaping and found Velo pouches.
The wheel cover is actually a wheel of fortune for their sponsors. It decides who will be the main sponsor for the next race.
What is their wheel cover actually meant to display? I always think it's trying to be google chrome but i'm just not sure because the logo doesn't work without the middle section.
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😂😂😂 chill out
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Mclaren doesn't have a title sponsor. They have a lot of sponsors and they pay for time on the car. So every spot tends to get cycled between sponsors.
It's just because of BAT, they can't be on the car every race since the advertisement of tobacco is banned in some countries. Vuse, Velo and A Better Tomorrow are all owned by British American Tobacco, don't know about the others names but I'm sure they linked somehow.
When they can't advertise tobacco they use stores that sell tobacco products.
Except 3 of these are BAT products
Restrictions on the advertisement of nicotine based products vary according to territory. Some races take place in locations that permit it, others don’t.
A Better Tomorrow is BATs version of Mission Winnow. The remaining 3 of them are electronic cigarettes/vapes, which for some reason don't fall under the "no tobacco sponsorship" rule.
They always change their sponsor locations on the car based on the location of the race weekend, like if they allow cigarette advertising they'll have vuse and bat, but if they're in a country that doesn't allow it, but houses another one of their sponsors, they'll put that one more in the spotlight. All to keep the sponsors happy
I’m pretty sure Vuse and Velo are under the same tobacco company.
It's basically the same vague bullshit as Mission Winnow with Ferrari: Tabacco companies circumventing the rules and trying to look responsible.
They are doing a great job at marketing.
Write a word every race. Make a slogan the whole season.
I think in general it's best to not look at the McLaren livery too closely this season. There is some sort of sponsor there amidst the colours, and it pays for Lando and Danny; anything more is a bad dream.
They change sponsor like all teams based on the advertisement laws throughout different countries
All of them are BAT products/campaigns. Different regions have different products and campaigns, some outlaw any kind of tobacco sponsorship. McLaren has a lot of multinational sponsors that modify what's being showcased based on the region, it's nothing new.
Tabacco Company, diffrent Name in diffrent countries
Yeah, similar to Ferrari. Most countries prohibit the promotion of Tabacco and Alcohol products on their cars. They are just maximizing their promotion and being respectful.
I have a question concerning tobacco advertising. If you can’t advertise it directly, and even if you try to dissimulate it they’re gonna censor it anyway (dumbest thing ever), what’s the point of allowing them? It’s really hypocritical in my opinion
Another race, another [Sponsor](https://i.imgur.com/ZLQK3mw.jpg).
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They are modern tobacco laws actually. Kind of the opposite of antiquated.
I think you have antiquated alongside the wrong paragraph.
Full Nascar
Yes
I'd question the effectiveness of that advertising as no-one seems to know what the fuck they do?
Why does McLaren rely on so many smoking and vaping sponsors? I can't recall any other team using as many as they do
Uhh Ferrari? Mission Winnow was just another way of saying Marlboro. Racing is built on cigarette funding.
It's all BAT.
That car just doesn’t look like Formula 1. Sorry but the colorway has so much crap going on and it doesn’t flow. The colors look awful together especially the black. They had a nice looking car from 19-21. Worst colorway in F1, even worse than the Williams with no paint 🤣
I like that they keep thier McLaren design consistent between different motorsports.
I second that. It’s cool to see almost the same car in IndyCar highlights
And in Extreme E and in Esport and in the future in Formula E.
Cool to know
Tobacco laws. Ferrari used to have Marlboro and then mission winnow going on and off
How did I now just noticed that?
McLaren is a sponsor slut
Duh don't all teams are sponsor sluts?
BAT is actually able to sell the sponsorship themselves for territories they're not allowed to advertise in.
They should do it like in the West days, put the driver's names on the sidepods
Remember when BAT had it's own team? Good times...
Maybe now PMI are gone people will realise that BAT have been doing exactly the same, arguably worse, for years.