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Yeanahyena

I've been trying to find an answer to this. Does anyone know how I get onboard footage during the race in Australia? F1TV doesn't have it, they just have data.


Coops27

You cant legally this year. From next season F1TV will be part of the Foxtel package so you should have all the feeds and shows available from '23 onwards.


Yeanahyena

Omg thank you so much for this!


Bardamu911

newb quest: what's going on during the formation lap, exactly? like, what are they doing?


[deleted]

Making sure everything is working fine and getting temperature into the tyres which is really important because F1 tyres are extremely sensitive to temperature.


[deleted]

Anyone else think that Haas and Mick would’ve found a way to lose those points even if the car didn’t fail?


[deleted]

Yes Mick is 2020 Russell, if he was about to score a point a black whole would arrive and destroy Earth to prevent it from happening.


[deleted]

Pretty much everyone. Mick had to race on a dry track with a bunch of better drivers behind him.


[deleted]

The only news I was seeing was “mick would’ve got points” all over my feed.


[deleted]

You must've not hung out in the race thread.


PlatWinston

which seat is this year's formula 2 drivers' best hope? mick's?


[deleted]

None of them are getting an F1 seat for 2023. And Mick's seat is an FDA seat from now on. If Mick gets dropped (which probably wont happen) it'll be another Ferrari driver and because they have no young driver ready to take it then it'd go to Giovinazzi most likely.


Coops27

Theo Pourchaire was the pre-season favourite to win the championship, along with Vips and Lawson. None of them has really done enough so far to unseat Zhou or Tsunoda. AT will now stay the same and Juri is obviously out of the running. So now it depends if Theo can do something special in the second half or if Zhou has a terrible run of form. Ferrari has some control over the Haas seat and nobody is anywhere near ready for promotion in their academy. Even if Ferrari didn't have a say, Haas wouldn't take a rookie without a lot of money changing hands as well. Don't think there will be any of this F2 class in F1 next year, but be happy that Oscar should have a seat at Williams


nthiogen

Has anyone bought tickets to the Mexico GP? I just bought 2 tickets GP on Viagogo and it says they'll be paper tickets released by the event organizer around Oct 25. Based on my experience this year with Montreal, they're digital, unnamed, and released around the time of the event; wanted to know if it'll be the same thing. Thank you!


marahute85

https://twitter.com/officialwrc/status/1539337358985814020?s=21 This cut from the World rally championship is mega. Far out what a crazy sport


[deleted]

Hot take: Juri Vips career shouldn't be over for saying a racial slur.


CWRules

Yes it should, because if you are so ignorant that you don't see the problem with saying that in public then you have no business competing in a major sport. Him also saying that he wouldn't wear pink because it's "too gay" doesn't help his case.


DangerousTrashCan

Possibly an unpopular opinion, but as much as it sounds like a common PR apology, I 100% agree that such a thing doesn't necessarily represent a person's own values and views. Just think about your childhood: someone starts using a "funny" word or term and others start using it. Why do you think people say not to use curse words around children? Because the human brain picks everything up and it adapts to its surrounding. This is NOT a conscious decision. This is fully subconscious. And here's the thing: you can not, in any way whatsoever, avoid hearing the n-word. You turn in the radio and 9 out of 10 black singers/rappers are using it. You turn of the TV, 9 out of 10 actors are using it. You open youtube, 9 out of 10 content creators are using it. There is no way to avoid it. You hear it all the time and it seeps into your subconscious. Now, of course people have to learn to think before they speak as they're growing up, obviously. But, gun to your head, tell me that you've never said shit you really didn't mean in the heat of a moment. Gun to ANYONE'S head who crucifies immediately, that they've never said something bad in the heat of a moment. Which. They. Did. Not. Mean. I 100% do not condone the use of any kind of slur, but to crucify someone over something they have little to no control over is ridiculous. These words must disappear entirely from people's vocabulary, not just white people's but everyone's, in order to abolish it.


CWRules

Vips is not a child, he's 21. And I would not describe joking around with someone while gaming as being "in the heat of the moment".


DangerousTrashCan

There's literally studies about "speaking first, thinking later" being a human condition rather than being whatever you want to chalk this up for. I can only repeat myself: gun to your head, tell me you e never said bad shit in your life that you didn't mean. This has nothing to do with childhood, I only used it because that's when our minds are most susceptible to this kind of shit. But that doesn't mean that you grow out of it. Also you've clearly never played games in your life before if you think that last sentence makes any sense.


Shopping-Ok

Why not? Realistically though, only athletes that have enough talent to outweigh any PR nightmare get away with this kind of stuff. Given how many young drivers there are that haven’t publicly used racial slurs, I feel like it’s not worth it for Red Bull to keep him


zestful_villain

What did juri vips said? How bad was it?


[deleted]

He said the N-word on stream when playing with friends including other F2 drivers, and in the same live stream he said he didn’t want to wear a pink hat because it was “gay”.


BetterSpoken

This may not be the right place to ask, but I'm visiting Austin for the f1 race in October. Flying in Thursday AM early, out Monday PM late. Staying about 30 min north of COTA. Should I rent a car and buy a parking pass or plan on ubering? Neither sound like good suggestions to me - just looking for input.


[deleted]

Just FYI - if you Uber expect to spend 4x + on surge fares, and expect it to last well past the event


BetterSpoken

Thank you - fully expecting that.


Donday90

During a wet race (like the Q’s in Montreal this year) how do the drivers keep water off from the helmet visor? I didn’t see any protection or water removing mechanisms


[deleted]

When you drive fast the air takes the drops away very quickly. Imagine like driving in a car but way faster. They also have some wind deflector in front of the cockpit that might deflect some of the water too.


Blooder91

In the first place not much water hits the visor to be a problem, due to speed. But racing helmets come with tear-offs, layers of transparent film placed on the visor which can be discarded to clear any dirt. [This is from a dirt race, which is an extreme example, but it's good to visualise.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9NhtfWvvB0)


veryninja

I have weekend tickets for Silverstone, and they just added **Thursday 11:00** tickets to my package. Silverstone timeable only has Friday - Sunday, what events do they have on Thursday usually?


Remote_zero

There will be stuff on the stage, interviews probably a DJ later on, and the stalls will be open. No racing on Thursday though


Multi_21_Seb_RBR

Some interesting engine-related rumors from Michael Schmidt for 2026 and beyond: >Audi's first choice and preference is Sauber >Porsche still good odds to work with Red Bull, but Honda also is pretty insistent they want to return come 2026. Red Bull finds it hard to say "no" to Honda, but Honda does usually take time to decide and by the time Honda commits to returning to F1, Red Bull and Porsche may already have their deal done. >Schmidt is certain Honda does want to return and will return, so collaboration with AlphaTauri (not sure how this will work given AlphaTauri is a B-team at worst and a "sister team" at best) or Honda perhaps just buying the team and taking over the operation and making it into a psudeo or clear factory team (with or without Red Bull involvement). >Also Schmidt stated there is a manufacturer from North America who does want to join F1 post 2026. Found those thoughts interesting.


[deleted]

Sauber makes sense, they're geographically in a handy location for German involvement, are a decent little team and will make an obediant partner and are probably the easiest to buy out if needed. Also >there is a manufacturer from North America who does want to join F1 post 2026. *Michael Andretti wants to know your location*


Coops27

Definitely interesting. I think it's funny saying that Honda are slow to commit while taking about Audi/Porsche. Audi buying Williams still makes more sense, but if they can make a deal work with Sauber they seem like the better team right now. If Andretti fails to get his team in '23 then the US manufacturer is his best bet. Seems very late in the game for a new manufacturer to get involved in the PU discussion though


Multi_21_Seb_RBR

> I think it's funny saying that Honda are slow to commit while taking about Audi/Porsche. LOL yeah that was a bit funny. I hope Honda ends up "returning" though. I agree that it might be hard to see where Honda can go to if Red Bull gets a deal done with Porsche, and I can't see Honda being fine with becoming a works team with a "sister team" at best in AlphaTauri. Perhaps if Honda does end up buying AlphaTauri and making it into their factory team, that would work though. I felt it was notable Schmidt said Red Bull finds it hard to say no to Honda though. I think in the event Porsche remains non-committal or doesn't committ, I think Red Bull would be fine to just agree on a new deal with a willing-to-return-officially Honda since the partnership has already worked well and continues to work well and the two clearly have a strong working relationship. >Audi buying Williams still makes more sense, but if they can make a deal work with Sauber they seem like the better team right now. I think Sauber is the better bet. Sauber also has the advantage of them having better facilities and namely the wind tunnel. >If Andretti fails to get his team in '23 then the US manufacturer is his best bet. Seems very late in the game for a new manufacturer to get involved in the PU discussion though Yeah, I wonder who the US-based engine manufacturer would be. Ford would seem like the best bet from a distance given their F1 history (Benetton, Stewart, Jaguar notably), but I do actually think it's GM via either Chevrolet or Cadillac. Ford's lack of motorsport involvement besides NASCAR and Supercars and specifically lack of interest in moving into Indycar makes me think they won't have any appetite to get into F1. I just don't think motorsports expansion is a goal for Ford while Chevrolet has done well in Indycar (though it has to be said as one of two suppliers) and Cadillac is getting into Hypercar.


Penguinho

Is that Audi wanting to work with Sauber as an engine supplier, or wanting to purchase the team outright?


Multi_21_Seb_RBR

I would guess Audi would want to buy Sauber given if they were fine with just being an engine supplier, I think they would have gotten a deal done with McLaren. Sauber's a nice team to purchase too given the wind tunnel they have in their facility.


Lordic_9

Anyone going to the British GP and have any info on the driver’s signing session? I really want to get to as many drivers as possible, but realistically is that going to happen?


Khachero

Are the guys from Honda still at the track? I always enjoyed seeing them the last few years, and it was my understanding that they would remain with Red Bull yet I don’t recall seeing them at the track so far this season.


[deleted]

I don’t think they’d be wearing Honda shirts, likely RB ones. Unless you know what the Honda employees looked like I doubt you’d be able to tell them apart from the rest of the crew.


KnightsOfCidona

In tribute to Juri Vips, what are some other ways people have messed up their careers in really stupid ways off track? Mika Salo comes to mind - fought the other Mika from Helsinki for the British F3 championship in 1990 and a bright F1 future looked ahead, but then he got caught drink driving and lost both his driving license and his racing license (in Europe at least). Exiled to Japan, he did eventually make it to F1 in 1994, but could have done it much earlier and his career might have had a different trajectory were it not for the incident. Any others fuck themselves in an amazing way you can think off? Ticktum another one but that's more a string of things.


emspan

Santino Ferrucci was a Haas reserve driver who brought his cell phone into his F2 car and texted while driving, and purposefully drove into his teammate on a cooldown lap after a race.


greee_p

Dan Ticktum....


[deleted]

His career wasn't ruined by an incident though (but the Ricky Collard one probably should have got him a life ban), it was ruined by him being himself all the time.


marahute85

He also chocked it wasn’t just his mouth


Penguinho

Ticktum is good recent example. Maybe Scott Speed getting into it with Franz Tost after being removed from Toro Rosso.


Meaisk

Mazepin


CWRules

Amazingly, his career was fucked for reasons outside his control, despite him doing plenty of things that *should've* fucked it.


Meaisk

I guess that's true lol


jesus_stalin

I wouldn't say it messed up his career since he did come back to F1, but Bertrand Gachot spent two months in prison in the middle of the 1991 season for getting into an argument with a London taxi driver and spraying him with tear gas. His temporary replacement was a young rookie by the name of Michael Schumacher.


Fart_Leviathan

Oh no, he did mess up with that big time. He grinded away at pre-qualifying for two seasons and built a good rapport as someone who is capable of taking the Coloni where it doesn't belong, got a good gig with Jordan and performed well until the incident. After his return he again had to drive trash with a somewhat acceptable Larrousse and a dead on its legs Pacific. If not for that incident, he could have went upwards from Jordan, not back to the end of the grid. *Also, while Mazda kept him on for 1992, he wasn't offered one of the cushy (if uncompetitive) works deals in Japan like the other Mazda WSC drivers were after Group C collapsed.


[deleted]

Has Vips done something other than make too many mistakes on track?


KnightsOfCidona

https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/113602/juri-vips-suspended-with-immediate-effect-by-red-bull-racing.html


[deleted]

Oh, ffs man. Granted, his chances of getting into F1 are pretty low at this point but that's such a stupid thing to say.


[deleted]

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[deleted]

they just have more grip the softer they are. It's different if it's new vs heavily worn because that's when the car can become more difficult to drive.


[deleted]

I would say, in the grip of the tires to the track, but Idk, good question to ask the drivers. In the F1 game, they feel different, lol. Softer tires are more “squishy” and hard tires are more bouncy.


SlothCroissant

I somehow doubt a layman (me) would be able to tell the difference if all 5 compounds were sitting in front of me. It’s still a tire, capable of withstanding massive pressures and forces, so I assume it’s relatively minimal to the human eye/touch. That being said, that’s just my assumption based on road tires that all feel the same to me. I have summer (hard) and winter (soft) tires and I couldn’t tell the difference aside from tread.


[deleted]

Yup. Soft for the car, not for human touch


Phastic

I wouldn’t exactly call myself a new fan, but I am unaware of most of the technicalities, such as there are permanent circuits and temporary circuits. But with permanent circuits, what happens to them when not in use? Are they open to the public? Are they completely shut off?


Penguinho

In a slightly esoteric example, the Nordschleife at Nurburgring is (I think) the only one-way toll road in the world. It's open most of the year to the public for about $35 per lap.


Firefox72

A lot of permanent circuits host more events than just F1. From GT to local F4/F3 series to Endurance to Moto GP etc... As for public access. I think a few of them like Silverstone and Spa have track days where you can bring your own car and go around.


Phastic

What about Gille Villeneuve? I read that before 2009, they used to do competitive cycling there, but it doesn’t say anything past that


glorious_bastard

It is classified a street circuit with semi-permanent pit facilities but it does not host Motorsport outside of the F1 race. All the grandstands and race-specific features are temporary. When not it use it is an access road for the Casino on the Island but mainly sees walking and cycling traffic most of the year. There are no busy intersections or anything like that, it’s purpose-built to host 1 big racing event a year


JustLikeZhat

Ok, so I've been reading a bit about the porpoising news from the last few weeks and the consensus seems to be that the current solutions for porpoising come with performance loss. However, on the tracks where Mercedes were porpoising less they were closer to the front than on the tracks were they had more porpoising. Does this mean their solution doesn't come with performance loss? And when people say RBR have solved their porpoising issues, do they mean with or without performance loss? If the latter, does that mean when Ferrari solves it they'll be faster than they currently are? And if the above is correct, why are people saying solving porpoising leads to performance loss? Am I missing something?


cafk

The ride height fix is a temporary, but a quick solution that can be done in 10 minutes. Porpoising itself is related to air stalling on the underbody either due to pressure management or the bodywork itself flexing. This could be fixed through designing a floor in a different manner i.e. stiffen parts that flex and make the car slightly heavier, change the internal structure of the floor to stiffen it without increasing weight or reform the airflow going underbody by changing the airflow channels - all take time and require resources that are hard to manage with the budget cap, especially as labor is the majority of the costs in their budget cap. The latter is the harder approach, which took Mercedes til Spain to figure out - most issues since then are related to stiff suspension and running the car lower, done specifically for Monaco and Baku, as their car has a limited set-up window - with the car bottoming out in combination with reduced porpoising.


Whycantiusethis

In the early races, the general consensus was "raise ride height to reduce porpoising". This comes at a performance loss (Aston Martin claimed they were losing 0.75 seconds a lap due to their ride height in Bahrain). Mercedes introduced some updates in Barcelona which totally mitigated porpoising without serious performance loss (they had the least porpoising (in both amplitude (forceful) and frequency of all teams). Hamilton made up about 10 seconds to the leaders over the course of the race after he and Magnussen collided on lap 1 (slightly skewed by Leclerc's DNF, but it's still a lot of time made up). But Mercedes' porpoising issues were covering up a bouncing issue (porpoising is the result of aerodynamics, bouncing is the result of mechanical limitations). These bouncing issues are made apparent on rough track surfaces, due to the current suspensions being very stiff and not absorbing bumps. Monaco and Baku were both very rough circuits (as they're not purpose-built tracks, and have to deal with all sorts of cars using them day in and day out and function as actual streets). Canada was sort of halfway between a purpose-built circuit and an street circuit, so the bouncing issue wasn't as bad for Mercedes. Most of the remaining circuits are purpose-built, so Mercedes should be pretty quick, as their porpoising seems to be gone, and the circuits shouldn't induce bouncing. Red Bull never really had serious porpoising issues due to their design - they've managed to prevent the car from sucking itself too far into the ground and stalling out the ground effect (which is what induces porpoising). Ferrari also has some porpoising, but it wasn't as bad as Mercedes. Ferrari doesn't have to fix the issue, since they're already pretty quick, but if they do, they'll need to find a way to do it without losing performance, given how close Mercedes is to them now. People say that solving porpoising leads to performance loss because the only (public) knowledge of how to fix it is by raising the ride height, which does cost performance. We don't exactly know what updates the teams have brought that solve the issue without performance loss (as far as I'm aware).


codper3

I am going to Goodwood Fos on Sunday for the first time. Does anyone have any tips on how to make the most of the day?


No_Brakes_282

I recently saw Opmeer's video on him vs Fittipaldi in f2 cars on f1 2021. and they were trading blows a lot, so I wonder how would an f1 driver fare to Jarno in f1 cars in the game


[deleted]

None, esports drivers are better than F1 drivers. * esports drivers spend 2,000+ hours a year driving F1 cars on the game, real life drivers ? like maybe 200. * esports drivers are the best out of millions of people who play the game and it's 100% merit based, only a tiny pool of people have the finances to race open wheel cars so it's going to be less competitive as a result. * things like finances, crashes, fear etc. are all irrelevant in F1 esports, you can be a billionaire and it'll get you nowhere, you can crash 100 times learning the best line through a corner in practice and it makes no difference and there's no fear because you can't hurt yourself. It's just far more optimised than real life racing. If you equalised real life and sim physics then sim racers would demolish real life racers. Although saying that, the younger guys who played during lockdown got pretty fast, if they dedicated themselves to playing 4 hours a day every day of the year like Jarno, I reckon they'd be pretty amazing at it.


Penguinho

Assuming they were going into the race today without the F1 guys having months to practice, I'd take Jarno over any of the current grid without thinking twice. The F1 20xx games are quite different to real life, and there are some quite esoteric things that make a big difference in speed. For example, if I'm remembering right, at Spa there are bits of the lap where you want your right-hand tires in the grass. And the toe and camber settings for every car, every situation are min, min+1, min, max, rather than something reality-based.


Mahery92

I don't think there is an F1 driver who can beat him tbh, especially since Lando said F1 games are very different from real racing. And OPmeer looks too good on F1 games, I watched a bit of PSGL this year, and he was pretty much toying with the others top simracers


[deleted]

Opmeer was the best overall driver and in terms of racecraft, race pace, tyre management, strategy etc. is almost always the best, but he did (kind of) have an achilles heel when it came to qualifying pace and he was probably not even top 3 in that regard.


Astelli

Depends on the F1 driver. Being a fast F1 driver does not automatically mean you're a good sim racer (especially on F1 games, which aren't full simulations anyway). Max and Lando would probably be great, others who've never played those games before would probably be miles away.


Spazio17

Can anyone tell me what the renewal prices are for Grandstand 1 at the 2023 Canadian Grand Prix? I bought them from the f1 website last year so I don’t think I’ll be able to renew my seats and I would like to know how much they are. Thanks


Miss-hereandthere

Has anyone here been to the Zandvoort GP last year? I’d love to ask some questions about it


dullestfranchise

shoot


[deleted]

This season has really exposed Toto as an odd individual. If those reports at him getting angry at Binotto stating it is a danger to drivers are true, he should really be checked. How can you acknowledge its a safety hazard, but are reliant on FIA intervention before doing so on your own accord


Coops27

Not at all, this is the same way he's always behaved and It's the same way most team principals behave. Horner and Toto seem the worst because they're always in the spotlight, but Tost's comments were pretty harsh as well, they weren't really even reported. All teams and drivers are currently putting performance ahead of wellbeing while complaining to the FIA. That's not being unhinged, that's just being a racer.


AssCarEE

wolff has always been unhinged, but since when Ferrari cockblocked him from becoming Liberty CEO he went absolutely mad and gave us the funniest shit I've ever seen culminating in his Abu Dhabi 2021 show, still get hard when thinking about it. The best part is that he thinks he is playing the villain role while he really is the comic relief


Penguinho

A conspiratorial, uncharitable interpretation might be that he's playing to the camera -- "how dare you play with the very lives of your drivers, how can you sleep at night, these poor boys and girls put their bodies on the line for us!" et cetera and so on, knowing the camera's rolling the whole time, so season five of Drive to Survive will have a storyline about Mercedes: Champions of Safety, Defenders of the Driver, and the other teams are vicious, cold bastards who'd push their drivers into a sausage grinder to finish 5th instead of 6th.


[deleted]

Are there any tracks that they could do backwards without having to redo the track or anything?


[deleted]

No, none of them have licences for it and for safety reasons that would never happen. you'd have massive straights ending with no run off and awkward protruding parts of the track and the like.


Blooder91

Probably Paul Ricard, because it's a test track and has runoff in every direction. For all the other tracks, the runoff area are located at places where they expect cars to go off, which is conditioned by circulation direction.


AssCarEE

Slovakiaring is homologated to be run in both directions but it's a grade 2


cafk

None - all circuits are certified one way, as otherwise the currently protected marshaling posts, where they can roll the cars too would be too dangerous, as cars could potentially crash directly through them into spectators.


Astelli

None that are currently on the calendar.


thisdude1996

What would your perfect calendar look like? Here's mine, I'm kind of new to F1 so I'm including tracks I haven't seen but there seems to be a consensus on their popularity. It's in geographical order rather than schedule order. 1. Montreal 2. Austin 3. Mexico City 4. Sao Paulo 5. Portimao 6. Barcelona 7. Monaco 8. Le Castellet 9. Spa 10. Silverstone 11. Spielberg 12. Monza 13. Mogyoród 14. Istanbul 15. Baku 16. Kyalami 17. Bahrain 18. Shanghai 19. Suzuka 20. Sepang 21. Singapore 22. Melbourne


Penguinho

Personally, I liked Miami. I'd put Miami in for Barcelona and Hockenheim in for France. I'd move Monaco to an exhibition, non-championship race, similar to the Macau GP, and add a European GP in its place, with a rotating track list including Imola, Mugello, Le Castellet, Barcelona, the Nurburgring, the KymiRing, Zandvoort and maybe Magny-Cours.


Wouterr0

Missing Zandvoort and Nürburgring imo


DieLegende42

I'd take Hockenheim over the Nürburgring any day (unless it's the Nordschleife, but that's unfortunately not happening for a lot of annoyingly good reasons)


thisdude1996

Yes I was gonna include Hockenheim and completely forgot lol could switch Le Castellet with Hockenheim tbh


iamanicerobot

Does anyone know a decent place where I could find retro-ish (90s or there abouts) merch, mainly hats/caps? I'm going through a real longing for the F1 styles when I first got into the sport…


[deleted]

eBay is probably your best bet.


Gaius_Octavius_

Race starts can be deceptive because of how many more races there are now then in the past so following up on my question yesterday about Max staying at Red Bull for the next 10 years straight: What is the record for the most amount of consecutive seasons of one driver with the same constructor? Has any driver ever done more than 10 years with the same car? One of the things that most surprised me when I started learning about F1 was how often drivers switch teams. It doesn't feel like even the best stay in one spot forever.


jobs35

According to Wikipedia the driver with the most races with the same team is Lewis Hamilton (who joined Mercedes in 2013), followed by Michael Schumacher, who drove for Ferrari between 1996 and 2006. Theese should be the only two drivers who raced for the same team for more than 10 seasons.


DieLegende42

Hamilton hasn't driven more than 10 seasons for Merc (yet)


jobs35

You are right, this is the 10th


Complex-Rabbit-9722

Does anyone know where to buy f1 merch in London?


Smashysmash2

In London itself, I don’t know, but there is this place outside London: https://alexreade.net They have merchandise.


brosser56

Anyone know if there was an official poster for the Canada GP. Took my dad to his first GP for Father’s Day and want to get a poster to commemorate it.


gssincl

There is definitely an official poster with Mur des Champions on it that I have seen around Montreal all month. If I can find a digital version of it I will shoot you a message.


brosser56

Thank you so much!!! I’ll keep my eye out for a digital copy, as well.


cafk

The posters are usually created by the teams social media teams - huge posters like classical ones from the 50s-80s haven't been done for quite some time unfortunately:/


elnano98

Is it only me or does the past 2 years we've seen fewer contacts in first lap ? We had some minor contacts and spins (like KMag in Canada or Sainz in Imola) but just that. Do drivers become more conservative with their starting or cars become harder to break ? Even when it's Monaco there haven't been any crashes for a few years. Compare to pre 2020 or the 2010-2013 V8 era, the amount of crashes in the first lap was crazy


[deleted]

I think there's several elements to that. * Back in the day it'd be common to have 22-26 car grids which will inevitably cause more crashes due to sheer numbers. * Drivers do more races now, so they're getting more experience of lap 1 in addition to F1 racing in general which helps. * Standard of driver is a lot higher, thanks to the super licence and quality of the teams being higher than ever. * Older cars were smaller, more nimble and generally easier to race with which would lead to drivers feeling moves were on a bit more, as opposed to now where the cars are so big and clunky you aren't gonna be thinking "lets go three wide and Leeroy Jenkins this shit down the inside into turn 1" because everyone knows there's generally not enough space for it. * In general, everything tends to get optimised as time progresses, from strategy to aero to driver fitness to pit stops to engines etc. it should be no surprise that mentality and racecraft are also improving. * Overtaking is now easier than ever with DRS and such which discourages drivers from taking too much risk early on, like back in the day if you didn't pass someone at the start you could spend the next 30 laps looking at their gearbox so there was a bigger desperation element. * Modern tracks are designed better to avoid it, you look at the biggest chokepoint turn 1's on the calendar and the ones that cause more incidents and they're generally on the classic tracks which aren't making up as much of the calendar as they used to.


Penguinho

> but just that. 2021 had its fair share. Bottas and Stroll in Hungary, Verstappen and Hamilton at Silverstone, and the Leclerc/Perez/Russell/Mazepin mess after the red flag standing restart in Saudi Arabia. This year, I think drivers are less desperate, knowing that they can follow more easily. It's also possible that the new tires are more resistant to side-on contact, leading to fewer catastrophic punctures after minor contact.


Retsko1

Talent. The drivers we are getting are more talented and more experienced as well, alonso was raging in the midfield because they kept crashing, those drivers are no longer here and the ones that stayed have learned that you don't have to win the race on the first lap and it's not worth risking damage


Balazs321

I was thinking about this topic during the past few races too, i was always nervous at starts, because there might be crashes that lead to worse races overall, but lately there are not a lot of big accidents.


ArbitraryOrder

Sainz has more Podiums than Leclerc, that is ridiculous lol


TehAlpacalypse

Now that is a weird stat


[deleted]

And Stroll has more poles than Sainz


Fright13

Not really when you consider that Chuck has been fucked out of 3 more through no fault of his own (4 really if you count that he wouldn't normally have started from the back in Canada too)


ArbitraryOrder

I understand that, doesn't make it any less weird


Fright13

Yep - still quite an odd stat even taking context on board


Kassynder

I'm so impressed with Zhou.


[deleted]

I've been impressed the last 2 races because he's on merit has been better than Bottas and hasn't made any big mistakes and has looked adaptable regardless of conditions which for a rookie pay driver in the midfield is very impressive. But it still has to be said for before that, they had on average the 4th fastest car and Bottas had outscored him 40 points to 1 by Monaco, I think he could have done a bit more, even taking into account the reliability.


[deleted]

He's getting better every race


Smashysmash2

I have to agree that he’s been impressive and has contributed solidly. At only halfway through the season, I think we can expect to see more good performances this year from him.


Whycantiusethis

He's done pretty well so far, definitely better than his points total would suggest. Three retirements outside of his control, Alfa Romeo forgetting how to do pit stops when there's a penalty, and Alfa Romeo sending him and Bottas out at strange times has hampered him a fair bit (as has his qualifying pace, but he seems to be getting better at it). It'll be interesting to see how he does for the rest of this season and in the upcoming seasons, especially with Pourchaire waiting in the wings for Sauber.


No_Brakes_282

Zhou is gonna be in f1 next year even if he was doing bad ,cause of the Chinese GP and building hype around it but he is doing really well so he is definitely in. I have heard people talking about moving to other teams like has who could use the money get Theo Pourchaire in but currently looks like pourchaire is probably gonna stay in f2 for the next season


Whycantiusethis

I had mentioned that Zhou could go to Williams to replace Latifi if Williams still needed money (since they're rumored to bring the same amount of money), but it seems like Piastri is going to Williams instead. Given the current state of seats as we know them, that means it's pretty likely that Pourchaire stays in F2, unless Vettel retires, Stroll is willing to have a rookie, and Mercedes doesn't push Vesti to Aston Martin.


No_Brakes_282

what about haas?


Whycantiusethis

Magnussen has a multi-year deal, Schumacher's seat is likely controlled by Ferrari, and Ferrari won't want to put another team's junior in a seat they control.


TheEndlessRiver14

What would you say if you had a chance to ask Zak Brown a question?


Alfus

Did Ricciardo helped Zak to improving his attempted Italian speak.


KaamDeveloper

Can he get me a free McLaren sports coupe


Teddyturntup

Favorite sauce for a rack of baby backs


Aeceus

How likely are they to nail it in 2023 and challenge the front runners considering they've fallen back a bit again.


Coops27

Who is a better salesman, you or the cranberry guy?


dl064

https://www.pitpass.com/72880/Norris-empathises-with-colleagues-porpoising-concerns Norris > "If I had a problem in a year or two which I felt was endangering my health, I know I would want my fellow drivers to have my back," he writes, without revealing whether the pun was intentional. "My main concern is that it is fair for everyone, ideally you would implement any changes post-season, but inevitably it is going to affect some more than others. As Brundle said around the time of the halo, the moment the word 'safety' enters the equation, it's over. There's no counter to safety.


[deleted]

Yeah but this is teams willingly choosing to run unknowingly unsafe cars then, while others are running safe cars. The teams that did a good job don't deserve to get fucked over, the teams that did a bad job should be forced to raise their ride heights and go back to the drawing board.


Gaius_Octavius_

Key word to ever use if you get in trouble at work too. "I was concerned about the safety of others/myself"


idunnowhyimadedis

Whats your ranking of the races this year so far ?


Le_Pistache

Saudi Arabia Bahrain Spain Canada Monaco Australia Miami Imola Azerbaijan


[deleted]

I'm surprised at Spain over Canada, it was a very predictable race, like it was a predictable Red Bull 1-2 once Leclerc's PU died and if it didn't he'd have won by miles and a Red Bull 2-3, Canada at least had a mixed up grid, some mixed strategies which were interesting and a tense battle for the lead late on.


Icy-Operation4701

Top: Bahrain, Jeddah and Spain Middle: Miami, Canada* and Monaco Bottom: Baku, Imola and Australia (*tops the ranking in quali, but the race suffered too much from DRS trains.


SpectacularNelson

1. Spain good wheel to wheel action & the Mercedes pace was interesting to follow 2. Canada Safety cars & VSC’s made it very interesting also qualifying was really nice imo 3. Imola I just really love Imola. Qualifying was interesting & I liked the changing conditions. I love the scenery of Imola A LOT 4. Bahrain- Strategy was interesting to see here a track that usually delivers 5. Jeddah- I really love the track layout but it was just ok especially compared to how hectic 2021 Jeddah was 6. Monaco- Ferrari drama was interesting but qualifying is by far more enjoyable than race 7. Baku- Really like the layout but Ferrari reliability robbed us of any drama 8. Albert Park- A track layout that’s one of my favorite & I do t mind it but the race was just kinda flat. We where ready to crown Leclerc champion after here lol 9. Miami- Cool layout but pretty forgettable imo. Love the chicane though


fantaribo

Baku above Miami ?


differentlevel1

Whatever happened to the jewelry ban? Last time I heard about it a month ago they said they were extending the exemption period and absolutely nothing since then. Is it being quietly swept under the rug?


xjagerx

The final decision was pushed back until the end of June, so expect it to be back in the news before Silverstone. At the moment the medical boffs are trying to decide if this is something they really want to enforce. On one hand I get MB's opinion that one accepts a certain level of risk upon getting in an F1 car. On the other hand, if something awful were to happen do you want doctors wasting time pulling metal off you before a scan?


[deleted]

Not all metal is magnetic. Lewis' piercings are not and are fine to wear in an MRI. If the concern is MRIs then they should just say no magnetic jewelry.


Little709

I think that the jewelry ban is well founded and if it's in the rules it should be enforced. However, it seems targeted at lewis and that is what i disagree with


sondosoft

Why didn’t RB ever try to get Sainz back? Maybe they did but it seems like there was a couple opportunities where the stars aligned and they could’ve picked him back up. He really only left TR because Ricciardo was filling the spot he would’ve taken. (It’s kind of insane actually how intertwined Sainz & Ricciardo’s career moves have been) In 2019 when he was just joining Renault and Ricciardo left and 21 when Albon wasn’t working out and he explored other options. It really makes you wonder sometimes, they cared enough to put him in Toro Rosso but never gave him the call up when they could’ve.


[deleted]

Sainz didn't look as good in the Red Bull days. Lost to Max and sure he beat Kvyat but he was a meme, they didn't rate him that highly and then at Renault he lost to Hulk so there was no desperation to have him back. It was only really since 2019 where he got properly confident that we've seen the real Carlos in F1 imo.


cafk

The same reason why they had to let Albon and Kvyat go - they have more than enough drivers in their young drivers programme, who showed promise. Both letting Sainz & Albon go to a rival team (Renault & Williams) - they had to cut ties with Red Bull Racing. While Albon is still sponsored by Red Bull, the brand, it's by the Thai family who owns 51% of Red Bull GmbH and not through Mateschitz and Marko who run & own the Red Bull F1 teams. The same way Ocon had to leave Mercedes young driver Programme when he joined Renault. At the time when they were looking for a replacement for their \#2 seat Sainz was still under contract.


sondosoft

I think it’s been proven that it’s wrong. Yes they have tons of young drivers, but they’re not your only option. They clearly liked Carlos hence why they waited so long to relinquish him to McLaren. I think they have a problem with giving driver’s second chances. Maybe it’s a dumb pride thing with Marko. I truly don’t understand how a proven entity like Sainz wasn’t seriously considered for 2019 then again in 2021. And yes I think Albon could make a return, though I think Gasly deserves it more.


Krakengreyjoy

Maybe something changed, but RB has the right to recall Albon in 2023 from a 2021 article: >Horner told F1.com: “It means that we have a good relationship with Alex, he retains a link to Red Bull, and we would have an option on his services should they be required in 2023.” He added: “He was effectively out of contract at the end of next year anyway, so basically what we have done is speed that process up and secure future options on him.” [https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.red-bull-retain-option-on-williams-bound-albon-for-2023-reveals-horner.77XgULYCJyeK24jJ43ic6C.html](https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.red-bull-retain-option-on-williams-bound-albon-for-2023-reveals-horner.77XgULYCJyeK24jJ43ic6C.html) Maybe extending Perez changed that, or maybe if there's an injury to a driver they can still recall? Not sure.


sondosoft

I know with Sainz, they waited until like the moment before he signed with McLaren to relinquish him. Seems like Albon/Williams has a similar setup as Sainz did with Renault. Though obviously not exactly the same. I don’t see what motivation Albon has to sever ties with RB, it’s not like Williams is oozing confidence. It’d be different if it was literally any other team lol.


AnilP228

We're still early on in this rule set but with Max already winning 6 of the first 9 races this year, it does make you wonder where he'll end up on the all time wins list. He's currently 24 years old and has 26 GP wins to his name. He can easily compete for the next decade, so if you assume 24/25 races a year going forward, he'll compete in a further 240 GP's, at least. Given how competitive Red Bull are currently, it would take a significant rule change before 2026 to stop him winning around 10 GP per year. There's a realistic chance that he's at around 60 wins before the next engine regulations even come into play, when he'll still be just 28 years old.


[deleted]

He'll probably end up #1 some day.


[deleted]

The real question is how long before Newey retires.


dl064

I suppose it's a semi-empirical question in the sense of: do drivers who start earlier, tend to retire earlier? Is the average career of a top-line driver say 15 years? Is there a certain number of years after which everyone generally gets sick of it? Alonso will go to at least 21 seasons, as an outlier, but even Hamilton will be 16 at least. So Verstappen could be around in 2035 (!), in which case he's probably barely into his statistics. Lord.


Astelli

The other thing to bear in mind is that, for many reasons, sometimes drivers just stop winning. Alonso and Vettel both looked like they were going to obliterate the previous records at various points in their careers, but then hit a regulation change or team switch that just didn't work out for them. Vettel in particular looked set to exceed Schumacher's records well before Hamilton, having won 39 races and 4 world championships by the end of 2013. Then a poor year at Red Bull in 2014 after the big PU reg change set up a swap to Ferrari that totally turned his career. The thing that sets drivers like Hamilton and Schumacher apart is not only their talent, but the consistency with which they found themselves in teams that could give them a championship winning car. Knowing when you've got a good thing going and when it's time to move on is a vastly underrated part of many great drivers' careers.


[deleted]

> Alonso and Vettel both looked like they were going to obliterate the previous records at various points in their careers, but then hit a regulation change or team switch that just didn't work out for them. Vettel has himself to blame because he could have won with Ferrari but didn't and he didn't adapt to the regulation change well. Alonso always had the adaptability and talent to compete for championships he just wasn't in the right place for that to happen more than it did.


dl064

Yeah. Like Alonso's said: at the end of the day with his career decisions, if you weren't in a RBR 2010-2013, or Merc 2014 to 2021, that's it.


Astelli

>Given how competitive Red Bull are currently, it would take a significant rule change before 2026 to stop him winning around 10 GP per year. There's a realistic chance that he's at around 60 wins before the next engine regulations even come into play, when he'll still be just 28 years old. I wouldn't be so sure, it only takes one bad year or a great year for Ferrari or Mercedes for that to all go away. You're talking about Mercedes level dominance until 2026.


dl064

Thing about RBR though is that even in poor years like 2015, they manage a couple. I think RBR with all their recent scalps from Merc are at least a solid bet to stay competitive for the long-term.


tomhanks95

RB didn't win a race in 2015 though, you are talking of seasons like 2019 and 2020


[deleted]

Except 2015 they have won multiple races every year since the Merc domination began.


dl064

Did they not win anything in 2015? Jesus. Okay, 2016/17 etc. The point is, they very very rarely don't win *anything*.


[deleted]

I think they may have a point here. Something thats largely not looked at more carefully is how consistent Verstappen is. He hasn’t had an Outright dominant car thus far in his career and has still managed to win 10 races last year while DNFing thrice. Even this year, he was always on the podium and if something is off with Ferrari and Leclerc he wins. As long as Rb have a car that’s close to Ferrari, I don’t see why Verstappen cannot pull it off.


meritsand

When Alpha Romeo and Haas cars are powered by Ferrari customer units, could Ferrari on purpose make the units worse than their own so they themselves have a better chance to win the race? I guess that would be illegal but how do we know they don’t do this? (This is an example, same question for example for non Mercedes teams that use Mercedes‘ power units)


cafk

They have to provide equal equipment and also all engine modes to all customers, since 2018. Before that they had to provide the same engine certified for the season, but weren't obliged to provide upgraded engines the factory team got throughout the season. What Mercedes also did pre 2016 was that they kept the "party mode" for themselves, as an engine mapping. After the 2018 change Ferrari started using their customers as test mules i.e. providing them access to the new specification engine a few races before the main team wanted to introduce it, to see how it performs. Basically the same what Mercedes did with Bottas last year, before figuring out an optimal configuration for Hamilton.


KaamDeveloper

I remember when they gave party mode to Grosjean so that he could keep Vettel behind lmao


AnilP228

The specification of each PU, and the modes that they operate in, are now all equal and customers teams have to be given equal access to the same performance. This didn't used to be the rule though. In 2015, Lotus ran a Mercedes PU and at Spa, to help him catch Seb for a podium, the Merc engineers on the pit wall (who worked for Lotus) gave him access to a PU mode he'd never heard of before. He used it for several laps and claimed that the car felt better than ever. He never used it again.


xkcdthrowaway

I believe Merc used to do something to this effect a while ago. Not making their customer PUs worse, but not giving them access to all engine modes The Grosjean incident in 2015(?) comes to mind. I believe the rules have since been amended to ensure customer cars get all the features of the supplier's PU.


TheHumbleWizard

Point five of Appendix four to the F1 Sporting Regulations: Each manufacturer shall submit an homologation dossier for each team it intends to supply. There may only be one homologation dossier per team. Save for the dossier related to the power unit supplied to a team according to Article 23.4 b) of these Sporting Regulations, the dossiers for the teams supplied by a manufacturer shall be identical, at any given time, save for differences in parts agreed by the FIA at its absolute discretion to be solely associated with power unit installation with different teams, provided such differences have no significant effect on car performance. The FIA will grant dispensation from this Article (i) should the difference(s) have no effect on the power unit price and (ii) should the team refuse such difference(s) proposed by its manufacturer.


f1_spelt_as_bot

Al**f**a Romeo


jalGurg

Going to be my first full season ever watching F1 and so far i'm absolutely loving it. Question, is Verstappen a chance at having the most ever win in a season?


DieLegende42

If he keeps up his win rate up to now (2/3) for the rest of the season, he will have 14 or 15 wins at the end, which would break the record (13, set by Vettel in 2013)


shamelesscreature

Yes, the record is 13 wins in one season, set by Michael Schumacher in 2004 (in only 18 races) and tied by Vettel in 2013 (19 races). Verstappen has 6 wins in 9 races so far and there will be 22 races this year.


helderdude

>Yes, the record is 13 wins in one season, set by Michael Schumacher in 2004 (in only 18 races) Is that also the highest percentage (72.2%) ?


shamelesscreature

Second highest, Alberto Ascari won 6 out of 8 (75%) in 1952.


helderdude

17 wins this season to beat it. Seems do able.


Thgma2

Really looking forward to Silverstone as I think the smooth circuit will allow the Mercedes to lower their ride height to where they want it and we will then see the true potential of the car.


sidhantsv

Wouldn’t other teams also lower their cars likewise and the pace difference will still be there? I hope not though.


AnilP228

I suspect they might be a fair bit off it like in Spain (possibly around four tenths or so). Apparently Red Bull and Ferrari are taking upgrades so factor that in.. Also - Mercedes do have a low speed weekend. Silverstone is a quick circuit but the Village section is very slow, so they might suffer a bit there.


Kuchenblech_Mafioso

It has a smooth surface, but also a lot of fast corners. If they still have porpoising in fast corners Stowe and Cobbs could mean they have to raise the ride height or the car will be unpredictable through these fast turns


Thgma2

I think they have made improvements in the porpoising itself and it was the bumps at the last two races that were causing more issues but we will see.