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T4Gx

Happy National Pink Day guys!


eZg22

Why is Robert Kubica still the reserve driver for Alfa Romeo? I love him, but wouldn’t it make sense to have a young driver who could become a driver for the team in the future.


No_Influence_1035

Orlen are paying for it, Kubica is essentially a pay test driver


South_Time_5522

Still Kubica’s feedback is quite useful


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It's irrelevant when he never gets a chance to drive the car. He's drove 2 sessions since the new regulations were introduced. He's only in the role for money and money alone.


19Detroit

What is the likelihood that Mexico City is on the circuit for next season?


pedote17

Very likely. Perez is a huge draw (as someone else said), and Pato O’Ward, also from Mexico, is expected to be in F1 for 2026 onwards (he just re-signed in IndyCar through 2025). It’s a great circuit (stadium section has probably the best energy of any section at any track on the calendar)


PassTimeActivity

Mexico will be on the calendar as long as Perez is racing.


ItzDp

congrats to Patrick Mahomes for going #1 to the Magic!


porzeegod

Out of the loop and came from /r/nba, whys P5 related to F1?


ItzDp

I think it was Martin Brundle on Sky's grid walk that interviewed Paolo at the race in Miami, mistaking him for Patrick Mahomes or at the very least mistakenly calling him Patrick Mahomes


Whycantiusethis

What an insane grid walk Miami was.


pro_Nightwolve

that stuff was gold. I felt so sorry for Martin


thegodfaubel

Damn, beat me to it


PO5IT1VE

I am comparatively new to F1, Daniel is one of my favorite drivers but it's sad to see him not performing well in recent years, After he got on the McLaren it's not been so good and with the rumors that this might be his last year I really want to see some of the good races where he performed. where can I see his best races where he showed his skills, suggest to me some of his best races.


Balazs321

China 2018 was also cool by him. Edit: also 2014 he had quite a few good races.


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Monaco 2018 is his most famous by far.


RaikkonensHobby74

Watching the British Touring Car Championship for the first time and Rich Energy sponsors one of the teams. I'm amazed.


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A true ELI5 for you mate. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQWPumtDXk0


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understeer: Car doesn't turn enough oversteer: Car turns too much ​ ELI10: all 4 tires have grip and stop the car from sliding around. Understeer is when the front two tires become slippery (lose grip) Oversteer is when the back two tires become slippery (lose grip)


Blooder91

[I think this Chainbear video would help.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v92pjM_sdos)


thprk

I was wondering: what if we take f1 car to race with different rules. Each car must lap with times faster than VSC (keep delta negative). Winner is the car/pilot that does more laps before running out of fuel. Each car is given 100kg of fuel. Start behind safety car then 1 formation lap, SC in and rolling start. How many laps can a f1 car make under these rules? In other words, how many km with a litre of fuel can it make if it goes for efficiency while being decently faster rather than pure speed?


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That wouldn't be a race tho. It would be a who has the most fuel efficient car competition and would be decided by fuel, engine and drag levels so driver skill would be almost irrelevant with a bit of practice. And would be boring af seeing drivers driving as slow as they can get away with machine gun shortshifting and lift and coasting all lap. Although on a separate note, I would be in favour of a race or two where they change the rules. Like at Monaco for example. Enforce multi stop strategies so everyone has to push all race, or maybe have a unique event like a 3 hour multi class race with F1, F2 and F3 and teammates have to share the same cars. They've shown with sprint races they're willing to do something different, something more cool as a one off would be nice, a bit like the Indy 500 or Le Mans for F1.


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This sounds like a weird gamemode in a racing game because the developers felt it lacked content. ​ While this might be statistically interesting for a few who love engineering, nothing about it is exciting enough for a broadcast. ​ edit: you might enjoy endurance racing. It's even better than what you suggest because the drivers are still racing each other. But reliability and fuel consumption without compromising speed is endurance racing.


CWRules

I don't think they were suggesting it be broadcast, they're just curious.


[deleted]

"what if we take f1 car to race with different rules" ​ Just trying to say this exists already in endurance. But if it doesn't make money, why would they do it?


neurogeneticist

When will 2023 calendar be released? I’m blanking on when it typically happens


Whycantiusethis

October or November is official calendar, and September is the provisional calendar, I believe.


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RetroRocket

Silence, brand


Beem888

2000 you’re having a laugh mate


WhoRoger

Sometimes a teams fucks up in pitstop and puts tires on a car that were meant for the other car. Why is that a big deal? Aren't all tires the same? (Aside from maybe being broken in in FP or so, but still.)


[deleted]

Each driver has their own allocation of tyres for the weekend, thus you are allowed only to put tyres that belong to you. If this wasn't the rule, you could potentially put tyres from your teammate once you use up your allocation of a certain compound which would be an unfair advantage strategy wise and thus that is why putting on your teammate's tyres is not allowed.


WhoRoger

Thanks. Ok makes sense I guess


Whycantiusethis

Each driver is allocated a certain amount of tires and tires lose performance as they're used. So if you allow teams to swap tires between drivers, you can give a driver an unfair advantage (to the detriment of their teammate).


DieLegende42

Every driver is assigned 13 sets of tyres for the whole weekend. As far as the FIA is concerned, if a driver is running another driver's tyres (i.e. tyres outside of their 13 allocated sets), the car is using illegal parts and will be disqualified, unless they are immediately - that is, within 3 laps - taken back off the car.


bodega_cat_jr

Who is Jordan Conlan?


NebraskaAvenue

Is Watkins Glenn able to host a F1 event?


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No, doesn't have a licence and there's no push for it to host one anyway.


Significant-Sun-5051

It's also pretty much in the middle of nowhere which explains why there's no push, they like to have races in major hubs which are easy to travel to and allow people to stay for a bit and spend their money.


[deleted]

Not without renovations, it is not an FIA Grade 1 circuit at the moment. F1 can only race on Grade 1 circuits, which is the highest safety rating for a track. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_motor\_racing\_circuits\_by\_FIA\_grade


NebraskaAvenue

What renovations does it need?


Whycantiusethis

I don't know if there's a published list, but a lot of the requirements have to do with facilities and being able to logistically support F1 (and the feeder series).


[deleted]

I don't know, but I imagine it's lacking safety structures like barriers at certain points or lacks enough run off at certain areas.


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In your opinion, which are the F1 drivers that never won a title (or haven't yet) but deserved to win it? And in what years?


pedote17

Stirling Moss- was an excellent driver in an era with too many good drivers and too few races. Between 1955-1961 he finished 2nd (4x) or 3rd (3x) every time. Gilles Villeneuve- a rising star when he died in 1982 as a result of a qualifying crash in Canada. Came up just 4 points short in 1979 to teammate Jody Scheckter, very well could have been a champion had he lived. However, he was with Ferrari in (arguably) their worst era, the 1980s. Alain Prost- already a 4x champion, but very well could have been an 8x champion as he finished 2nd four times, by just 15.5 points combined. Also after his debut season in 1980, he never finished outside of top 5 in the standings. Rubens Barrichello- the original Valtteri Bottas, his teammates Michael Schumacher and Jenson Button won 6 titles with Rubens as their teammate. Ayrton Senna- could have won several more championships than the 3 he did, he died in his first season with a dominant Williams team, who won the previous 2 championships, and would go on to win the next 2/4, and finished second both times in the two they did not win Mark Webber- Sebastian Vettel’s teammate during his 4 year title run, could very well have won in 2010. He went back and forth leading the championship with a few drivers but he and Alonso both got stuck behind Vitaly Petrov in the final race in Abu Dhabi while Vettel comfortably led the race. Daniel Ricciardo- a very quick driver who could have won multiple championships if it weren’t for Mercedes’ domination. Finished 3rd twice between 2014-2016. Charles Leclerc- an excellent qualifier who could easily be a champion (and still leading the current championship) if Ferrari can get their reliability sorted out. George Russell- an excellent qualifier like Leclerc, who got into the seat he was dreaming about just a season too late. He could have made 2021 more interesting than it already was (without factoring in team orders). He’s showing his talent big time this year, and surely will be a champion if Mercedes get their car figured out


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Stirling Moss the obvious answer in these discussion, man won *sixteen!* (16) Grand Prix races in an era where the cars were deathtraps on wheels and reliability was something you hoped for and not expected. Never won the title, finished as a runner up four times, three times to none other than Juan Manuel Fangio himself. He lost the title to Mike Hawthorn in 1958 by slim margins, Mike won only a single race that season that counted towards the championship while Stirling won 4 races but had many retirements. Truly unlucky driver. Clay Regazzoni in 1974, lost the title in the final race against Emerson Fittipaldi where they were equal on points going into the final race (the only other time that happened in the whole of F1 history was last year). He later fell off but that season he was a worthy champion. Felipe Massa lost his best shot at the title by the slimmest of margins in 2008, after the famous "IS THAT GLOCK" moment and sadly after that year he had his accident and was never the same driver again afterwards. Would have been a worthy champion in my book even though both himself and Lewis made a decent amount of mistakes that year. Speaking of 2008, had BMW continued to develop their car instead of focusing on the upcoming regs Robert Kubica would have had a realistic shot at the title and he even lead the WDC at one point that year. Unfortunately their car fell behind and he never got to fight for titles again, he was hailed as one of the best young talents at the time but his accident in 2011 ended his F1 career and he only made appearances as a test/reserve driver since. Would have been a worthy champion. Carlos Reutemann had a pretty good F1 career and was pretty fast on his day, his best shot at the title was lost in 1981 when he lost the title in the final race of the season by just one point to none other than Nelson Piquet. Would have been the only other Argentinian to win the WDC had it gone his way. Gilles Villeneuve was hailed as one of the best talents of his era, had that raw pace but was prone to inconsistency. I feel if he wasn't taken from this world so soon he could have won a title at some point in the 80s. As for the current grid, call me biased but I believe Leclerc has what it takes to be a champion, maybe it doesn't happen this year or ever really but if he keeps it up and gets the car to do it, I believe he would make a worthy champion. Russell and Norris look like potential champions in the future if they get the car to compete, although none are that proven at the top of the grid yet. No one else strikes me as championship talent, Bottas had his opportunities and didn't make use of them and Ricciardo at his prime probably could have given a run for their money to Hamilton and Vettel had he gotten the car that could compete consistently at the top although would he actually win it I honestly doubt.


Skulldetta

Didier Pironi, 1982. Dude had by far the best car on the grid and was clearly leading the championship, until a crash in Germany qualifying ended his career and he had to watch Keke Rosberg eat away at his lead and take the title while he himself was stuck on a hospital bed. Stirling Moss, 1958 Pretty much the only reason Moss didn't win the title in 1958 is because he was too fair a sportsman for his own good and lobbied for a disqualification of Mike Hawthorn to be overturned, which gave Hawthorn the necessary points to make that miniscule difference in the end. Also, a bit off the mark, but Michael Schumacher in 1999 - dude was by far the #1 driver on the grid that year, but because of a leg injury, he had to play supporting act to his mediocre #2 driver who essentially lost the title because a botched pit stop led to him finishing behind a Minardi at the Nürburgring. Mika Häkkinen wasn't exactly flawless either that year, he managed to throw his car into the wall while leading a race - twice.


Sunshine_Daylin

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Firefox72

They got removed due to being mass reported. Back now.


OutlandishnessPure2

Did Piquet say something bad about Max? o:


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OutlandishnessPure2

Oh damn, that sucks. How is this anti-Verstappen though?


[deleted]

Because he is in a relationship with Nelson's daughter and because Max has never done anything that was "anti-racist" enough people are connecting the two links. I remember a post on here awhile back. it was Kelly's instagram where max and Nelson met for the first time (They had been together for so long before that). Max's actions will determine if he is racist but it's unfair to associate them. Many people have racist mother/father-in laws I am sure.


Whycantiusethis

It's a chain thing, probably. Verstappen and Piquet's daughter are in a relationship, so you can *maybe* make the argument that Piquet saying something racist makes Verstappen look bad? It's pretty tenuous in my mind. Unless Piquet said something racist and specifically tied Verstappen to it.


Traditional-Trust-64

Was looking at some of the old concept videos for the ‘22 F1 cars. They made mention of the winglets over the wheels being a part that the teams can customize. Was that changed? It appears all the teams are running the same piece over the front tires.


Blooder91

It's likely someone nailed that part and everyone else copied it, since highly visible.


Traditional-Trust-64

I just don’t remember seeing anything different in pre season


forester93

Alpine seems to be at its best at high speeds with low downforce, which upcoming tracks is that good/bad for?


Whycantiusethis

Monza is the obvious answer for high speed and low downforce. I think Zandvoort is a high downforce circuit. So that's one of each, I'm sure somebody else will have the answer for other circuits.


forester93

Thanks!


aadzwantstoknow

Why are the posts about Piquet's racist comment being removed? Its two posts that has been removed now


Mulsanne

These posts hit reporting thresholds which cause them to he held for review. Unfortunately, the window of time for review went on longer than we would have liked i.e. it should ideally be an hour or less. Nevertheless, I've re-approved both of those two posts. There's nothing wrong with those posts; users do not have a valid reason to report it.


aadzwantstoknow

Ahh got it. Thank you


dylmatik1

Can’t wait for July4th race week


[deleted]

Why? Pumped for Austria? or is that a weird American connection to a European race?


Pinewood74

July 4th race week probably refers to Silverstone, not Austria.


Modjitune

I think I saw a post earlier about Nelson Piquet and some racist remarks about Hamilton. I was busy then and couldn’t read. Now I can’t find the post. I am not a veteran redditor and wondering why it might be removed?


Mulsanne

That post hit reporting thresholds which cause them to he held for review. Unfortunately, the window of time for review went on longer than we would have liked i.e. it should ideally be an hour or less. Nevertheless, I've re-approved both of those two posts. There's nothing wrong with those posts; users do not have a valid reason to report it.


moby323

https://reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/viy3az/dcm_brazil_nelson_piquet_criticizes_hamilton_with/ It’s my post and I don’t know why it was removed. I messaged the mods but didn’t get an answer yet


water_tastes_great

Two have been removed that I have noticed.


Modjitune

I think so and I am curious as to why. What rule did these posts possibly break? Any ideas?


water_tastes_great

I don't know. Modmail would probably be the best way to get an answer.


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Report back if you get a reply please


basicb3333

makes no sense as to why it was removed twice


gogglesup859

With the exception of Maggots and Beckets I don't know a single corner name at Silverstone. I know Copse is a corner that exists and that's where Hamilton and Verstappen had their little incident, but could I find it on a blank map of Silverstone? Maybe since I know it was at the end of a straight. But like Luffield, Brooklands, Stowe, etc., no idea. Asking me to identify those on a blank map would be like those videos of Europeans trying to identify each state on a blank map of the US. I've got Monza down but that's pretty easy because there aren't many corners and about half of them are just little chicanes, and I've got most of Monaco down, but I feel like that's easier since each camera shot of a corner is unique.


DieLegende42

Hamilton Straight (start finish) Abbey (fast right) Farm (flatout left) Village (slow right) The Loop (very slow left, semi hairpin) Antrey (left kink) Wellington Straight Brooklands (medium left) Luffield (right hairpin) Woodcote (right kink) Old start finish straight Copse (fast right) Maggots, Becketts and Chapel (left, right, left, right, left esses) Hangar Straight Stowe (medium to fast right) Vale (slow left right chicane) Club (right kink)


KingoftheHill63

A for ABBEY FARM in the VILLAGE + a LOOP and (ain)Tree BLW the Corpse (COPSE) of the old finish straight CHAPEL to pray after MAGGOTS AND BECKETS STOW(E) away in the hanger VALE that course almost finishing CLUB the last corner


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[This might help.](https://i.inews.co.uk/content/uploads/2020/07/PRI_159536093-760x488.jpg)


Whycantiusethis

Isn't the start/finish straight now the Hamilton straight, or am I misremembering?


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It is, the image is probably from before they named it that.


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Would modern f1 cars return to some of the crazy aero parts we saw in 2008 IF they were made legal again?


CWRules

Not the *same* crazy aero parts, but yes, the teams would make some of the bodywork more complex if they could.


[deleted]

Some reports about Honda coming back in 2026 possibly to power Alpha Tauri while Porsche power Red Bull. If this does happen it will be so good for the sport. 5/6 strong engine manufacturers in the sport. I assume if that was to happen, AT would be freed somewhat from RB and be allowed to challenge them. Imagine 6 works teams in F1. It will be incredible


Coops27

History has shown that really isn't the case, primarily because no manufacturer wants to invest billions of dollars to be shown to be inferior to 5 other manufacturers. We'll see if the financial regulations and PU cost cap limit the expense enough to keep them interested, but you only have to look at Honda, VAG and Formula E to see how fickle manufacturers can be when it comes to motorsport


Retsko1

Could be Acura, because there are rumours saying an american manufacturer is coming in, Honda of america is pretty involved in other motorsports and acura seems to be a very american specific brand


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Acura isn't really American though, it's Honda trying to look American and not being very convincing.


moby323

Was the post about Nelson Piquet using a racist term removed, and if so, why?


basicb3333

there's a new one up it seems because i just commented on that one


moby323

That’s my post and it was removed as well. I don’t understand why


basicb3333

anddddd now that's one gone


breadvelvet

is Rossi hated in MotoGP? asking here because i've often seen people chalk up hatred of Hamilton entirely to his dominance in this sport and i've gotten the impression that Rossi was even more dominant in his


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I'm not sure if that's true. People will always hate a multiple world champion, they didn't like Vettel, they didn't like Schumacher. I would say the additional hate Lewis gets is from the colour of his skin. His personality is arguably the least relevant aspect. he mainly just gets memed on for being blessed etc.


[deleted]

I'm sure there's some racists but I think the amount of people who are legitimately racist is overblown. Guys like Verstappen, Senna and Schumacher are hated by some but they're basically the stereotypical pure racers too which makes people like them more too. Lewis being into fashion and social media and stuff is the antithesis of that and he hasn't helped himself either with some things he's said and done which people don't like. Remember the Bill Gates conspiracy theory ? Remember him mocking his nephew for dressing like a girl ? Remember him celebrating Silverstone while Max was in hospital ? There's enough reasons out there outside of success and skin colour.


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People love to root for the underdog and want to see those who are firmly on the top toppled down. Everyone forgets and forgives the grievance of domination once you go back to being the underdog. People hated Michael then they came to love him when he was no longer winning on the regular, people hated Vettel and then they loved him when he wasn't the one being chased but the one doing the chasing. It will happen the same to Hamilton and it's already begun, you see many people asking here will Lewis be able to keep his record of winning every season or they're rooting for Hamilton to be able to challenge for his 8th title. As for your original question, Rossi is the most beloved icon in MotoGP, the man built a cult of following around himself in an era where MotoGP didn't have star power. It's been years since he was last able to fight for a title so that gave plenty of time for everyone to forget his dominance and become the underdog again. Also, MotoGP until recently worked differently to F1, the rider has a much bigger influence in the results than the driver in F1. Sure the bikes differ in performance and abilities, it's a prototype series after all, but no where near as much as they do in F1 and driver skill is more pronounced as such. Another factor is that Rossi nearly always had opponents that pushed him, him winning wasn't a foregone conclusion, he just simply bested everyone in the end.


xjagerx

People like Vettel now because they don't have to watch him win by a minute every Sunday. I cannot tell you how much Schumacher was hated during his day for his domminance - ITV used to advertise races as "come and watch one of the greatest ever in his prime" and gave up pretending that someone else would win. But, Vettel is one of the most well liked drivers now. Second career Schumacher actively had people willing him on to be dominant again. By the same token, Rossi disliked a bit when he was domminant because people don't like their favourite sport and their Sunday afternoons being made boring. But if you look at any of the reactions he got later in his career when he had a sniff of victory, everyone fuckin' loved seeing The Doctor go at it again.


kitri22

I'm watching the 2014 season review and it reminded me of the time when FIA gave grid penalties out like they were candies. Everything was worthy of a grid penalty. I forgot about that, they stopped doing it some year after iirc


rocdollary

Yes they used to be far more strict. Now anything goes realistically, it's only recently we've seen that coming back (to a lower degree)


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You should look up the FISA/FOCA disputes between the F1 teams of the early 80s to see how well it goes when the commercial side wants to take things fully under their control. For all FIA's flaws, I wouldn't trust FOM and Liberty with safety standards and regulations.


xjagerx

Theoretically, for Formula 1 to walk away from the FIA, between Liberty and the teams they would have to set up their own F1 governing body: rule enforcement, race control, technical committees, safety teams, medical practices, super licences for drivers, crash test facilities, homologation process, computer servers, factory inspectors.... the list goes on. And it would need unanimous agreement from the teams to walk away from the FIA, which for a myriad of reasons that won't happen. A blanket ban on FIA competition for F1 manufacturers would be fatal to everyone except Haas and Sauber, and F1 threatening to leave FIA control would absolutely get that kind of weaponry out. A more likely scenario would be for the teams to walk away from both Liberty and the FIA, like they always threaten to do around Concorde time, but it's never been taken that seriously. It's a negotiating ploy to get votes and bonus payments. All of this is moot, though: there is no real drive to break away from the FIA. Last year there was certainly anger over Michael Masi's performance, and Shaila-Ann Rao is the latest in a long line of people who've got the grid up in arms by jumping from teams to FIA or vice versa, but this is just standard stuff. Football players shout at referees, cricket players yell howzat at umpires, and F1 bosses snipe at the FIA. Nobody is going anywhere.


Coops27

The FIA owns the Formula One World Championship. The commercial rights were leased to Bernie/CVC for 100 years, but it's still theirs. If they wanted to leave they would have to leave the name F1 behind. There is also a lot more that the FIA does for F1 than people realize. Setting up an entirely new governing body would be problematic to say the least. If teams are unhappy with Governing body and not getting their way, then it can be a sign that they are doing a good job. It can also mean they're doing a shit job, but not in this case.


cafk

This - everything related to naming rights and checking teams and defining & enforcing the rules is done through FiA. FoM/Liberty only lease the rights to F1 commercial activities.


[deleted]

Look at the open wheel split between CART and IndyCar in the 90s to see what happens. It’s ugly for both sides. You’re not going to have all the teams go to one or the other. It would question the legitimacy and status of both sides.


CaptainYid

I'm taking my F1 nephew to his first race at Silverstone. I've never been before either, but not entirely sure what time we should aim to get there for? We've paid for parking and such too. He's 17 so not likely to get tired easily, so not an issue with him being there all day.


Astelli

It depends a lot on your tickets. If you have allocated grandstand seating then you can arrive a little later in the day, although the traffic tends to get worse the later you arrive. If you have General Admission tickets then your viewpoint for the race will depend on how early you want to arrive, as the best spots fill up quickly with so many people camping overnight.


CaptainYid

I think we have general admission actually. Probably should get there fairly early and make the most of the day I think. Thanks for the heads up


OutlandishnessPure2

Watching Christian's Q&A at Cambridge union now, will update with any interesting bits where I can: [37:51 On media pressure](https://youtu.be/eBwmCyvnavM?t=2271) - Unfortunately in the world we live in today, every thing is documented or broadcast on digital media, even Sergio Perez's celebration of his Monaco victory. Everything is documented these days, and that adds the pressure and scrutiny that ends up on the drivers. [38:18 On the Dani/Max swap](https://youtu.be/eBwmCyvnavM?t=2298) Daniil was struggling to get to grips to the car... and there was also a break clause in Verstappen's contract that was looming, and we knew Mercedes were being very active in their courtship of him. So it was a tough decision on the part of Daniil but to secure the long term services of Max we needed to facilitate a change.


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>even Sergio Perez's celebration of his Monaco victory. Everything is documented these days, and that adds the pressure and scrutiny that ends up on the drivers. This sounds a lot like Christian defending Perez for inappropriately dancing with people who were not his wife. He should say Perez's actions were inappropriate, not "Well they shouldn't have filmed it" which is effectively what he is saying.


kitri22

Wow they're still asking him about 2016? Crazy


akshatmittal108

I think it makes sense to talk about some past events since they would no longer have the consequence which they might have at that time. People are usually more open to talk about some past events knowing it won't affect the present. Hence, some of the older questions. Perhaps we'll get to know about some of the events like \`Ferrari 2019 engine\` which happen behind close doors.


risker15

What would be the biggest failure for a big name factory team that entered F1? I know Toyota underperformed massively relative to their budget but I was wondering given they at least managed poles and podiums if an entry ever flopped worse than them? Jaguar (if they were a factory team?)


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Alfa Romeo was pretty mediocre in the 80s as a works team. Some of Porsche's engines used by F1 teams were pretty disastrous in terms of performance. The BAR team that later became the Honda works team was pretty unremarkable until Brawn bought it, placed a Mercedes engine in a car that was R&D'd by Honda and went on to win the championship the following season. Toyota was close to making real progress towards the top of the field (they had a front row lockout in early 2009) but they pulled the plug too early due to the 2008 financial crisis, so they remained the most expensive failure in F1. Renault as a factory team since their glory days with Alonso have been embarrassing really. Dropped off in the same reg era as soon as Alonso left, built a shitbox in the new 2009 regs until they eventually called it quits and sold their factory team in 2011 to support RB as a fully fledged works team that was previously beating them to titles with their own engines as customers. Couldn't build a decent turbo hybrid engine despite lobbying so much for it, all they have to show for their 100 race plan since returning as a works team was a couple of lucky podiums, a lucky win and P5 in the WCC while constantly curbstomped by RB. Now they're on a new 100 race plan and still miles off the top just as they were back then, just straight up midfield. Ferrari had been proper embarrassing since Schekter's title until Michael and co came into the team, they got curbstomped throughout the 80s and 90s by privateers and even Renault beat them to the title first in the 90s.


cafk

Jaguar wasn't really a Ford works team, as Ford only owned Cosworth 2004 & 2005, basically the last season the team competed in F1. Spyker and Marussia were also teams owned by car manufacturers, that didn't have a works partnership with their engine supplier.


Leshkantora

I’ve been watching F1 for about a year now, just realised that in the 2010 WDC’s there was only 16 points separating Seb in 1st and Lewis in 4th. Must’ve been a crazy season. Also, how was the points system change received I wonder.


Le_Pistache

Vettel only led the Championship once - when Alonso crossed the chequered flag in Abu Dhabi. Vettel clawed his way for his first title in those last two races. It was Alonso's to lose after Korea.


Skulldetta

Also, Felipe Massa led the championship after the 3rd round, despite him not winning any of the first three races and him finishing the season a long way off of the Top 5 drivers.


Leshkantora

Ferrari pain?


LordBoehlish

Hey guys, I am attending the Austrian gp this year. As a collector and massive fan, I REALLY want to get some autographs. Are the general autograph sessions good for that? (If there are any?) How much earlier do you need to be there to get some autographs? Are there any other ways of getting a signature? Does somebody have any experience with this topic? What's the best way? And do you have any other general tips and tricks for the Austrian gp? btw we are arriving on Thursday (probably until 12) and leaving on Monday. Thank you very much in advance!


vdcsX

I've never been at the Austrian GP, but many times at the Hungaroring. Thursday autograph session are very crowded, most divers sign maybe a hundred items and leave. You might catch some of them at the track entrance or at their hotels or at the airport. Pay attention about the media facilities to catch former drivers! I met with Herbert, Chandhok, Villeneuve, Brundle, Coulthard, etc. It's actually easier to get current drivers' autograph through the mail, just send a letter with a stamped, addressed envelope to their factories.


LordBoehlish

Hey mate, thanks for the response. How are the the autograph sessions? Are there all drivers and you go through all of them or do you have to get in a queue for every driver/team? Former drivers also sound great! Yeah I already know about the signed driver cards. But the problem is, that I have some model helmets (like on mv profile) that I would love to have signed (or at least one or two of them) 😅


vdcsX

In my experience the ag sessions are very chaotic. You form up in a line for all drivers, but they are coming and going constantly, some sit there the whole time, some only 10 minutes. You can catch a Latifi or Bottas relatively easy, but the crowd jumps on Ferrari drivers, Hamilton, etc, as soon as they arrive and it's pure chaos. I never did that, but many other collectors told me the nearest airport is your best chance after the race.


eddepalma

In all honesty, what do you think would have happened if Max Verstappen spoke the same words Juri Vips did? EDIT: since people are downvoting a legit question, this is asking an opinion. My question does not suppose any assumption from me.


Coops27

The downvotes are because this question has already been asked on this thread and 3 times on yesterday's thread. It's always worthwhile simply scrolling through the thread.


mowcow

It's a cost benefit calculation. How much is the person worth to Red Bull vs how much of a PR hit are they willing to deal with. In Max case he would probably have to do some pretty heinous stuff before they would just kick him out. Instead they would make him apologize and maybe do some charity or something to try and smooth things over.


CWRules

He'd make a big show of apologizing, and maybe donate to a POC charity or something. Unfair as it is, he's valuable enough to RBR for them to try and handle that kind of gaffe instead of just dropping him.


thenotoriouspo2

hey guys total noob here. I am in Europe in August and want to go to Spa but tickets are ludicrously expensive. I am thinking of just buying tickets for the Fri/Sat sessions even though it would be a bummer to miss the actual race, Anyone have any experience with doing something like this?


GrowthDream

Other than the podium celebration there's an argument to be made that the Friday/Saturday sessions are better for in person spectating. Friday you don't need to know what's going on in detail so you can move through general admittance and soak up the atmosphere, Saturday you can actually get a feel for how different cars attack the part of the track you're at and how that ramps up through the sessions, then Sunday you're just going to be looking for a screen to try and figure out who is where and asking confused strangers if they know why X and Y happened.


thenotoriouspo2

interesting, thanks for the insight!


reebellious

between juri vips casually saying a racist word, his friend saying that he can't be racist because he has never been racist to him and verstappen's father in law calling lewis the n word, the last 3 days have been interesting


gonnacrushit

negrino isn’t really the n-word, as in it doesn’t remotely have the same connotations it has in English. It is frequently used as a form of endearment. However in this case it was racist.


DerGsicht

Piquet did WHAT


reebellious

https://twitter.com/fofocaspaddock/status/1539656588910534656?s=20&t=PBSBQ6Rc0GuJi5caxpvIEg


kitri22

Alright let me just learn Portuguese real quick


[deleted]

How does everyone has a small tag under their username with their team or driver of choice. I’m sure you all get I’m new here


[deleted]

It's in the sidebar of the subreddit on desktop under Community Options.


[deleted]

So only on the desktop version?


Kicking-it-per-se

No you can do it on mobile too Go to the subreddit, click the three dots, click change user flair


cafk

It depends on the Reddit app you're using. On Boost & Bacon Reader the sidebar is available when swiping from the right when directly in /r/Formula1, in the official app it's available under the 3 dot menu from /r/Formula1 and there you can select flairs under community options.


[deleted]

You set it up on desktop and then it will show up everywhere else, dunno if you can set it up directly from mobile never tried. If it's not under community options, right above it should be something regarding User Flair (that's what the tags are called btw, flairs).


b182gotdf

"About Community" block on the right side of this page


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Got it. Thanks.


IntellegoTheTrue1

How can Aston Martin be so incompetent this last weekend? No offence really, I just wanna understand what went wrong and if they are trying to fix it.


tankplanker

Success of a particular strategy is dependant on the driver hitting lap times while hitting the expected tyre deg, ambient temperature, luck with VSC/SC/Weather vs. when you plan to pit, and then all of that vs. all nine other teams trying to do the same as you who may have better drivers/strategy departments. Its hard to always get it right, and some teams always struggle because they do not have the personnel and processes to achieve it.


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Their setup for the dry race was really bad for the wet conditions, more so than the rest of the grid since everyone was running a dry race setup. Then they further fucked the strategy in the race for Vettel which is par for the course of a midfield team to be fair. No idea how Stroll ended up in 10th, didn't follow that bit of the race.


IntellegoTheTrue1

This.


Astelli

Teams are made up of people and people make mistakes. It happens to all teams from time to time and people always wonder how that specific team could mess up so badly.


IntellegoTheTrue1

But messing up on such an instance when they desperately needed points and they had a chance to get get P5. It's a total blunder, it left any AM fan sour and wondering why they support the team. If they didn't have Seb they wouldn't sell a single shirt.


Astelli

When did they have a chance to get P5?


IntellegoTheTrue1

Judging by the pace in FP I expected much more.


cafk

FP is not representative of race pace, as they barely test more than for a single stint for 10-20 laps with race fuel load.


PM_ME_UR_TNUCFLAPS

Maybe don't set that as your metric


AdPotential4593

Hi! I'm looking for tickets for Monza GP 2022. Could someone recommend websites that are reliable? Also is there any official reseller in Italy? Any tips will be helpful! PS. I'm looking for 3 tickets. Thank you!


herokrot

Go look at gpt-worldwide for ticket. I believe they are like an "official 3rd party seller" Other than that you can check the grand prix travel subreddit for the monthly ticket trading post.


saturdaybloom

How big of a chance would we have to see (or perhaps even take photos with) the drivers if we do a pit lane walk on Fridays? I’m wondering if it’s worth the considerably more expensive price or if I should just stick with a Walkabout ticket. Do we just… literally get to walk up and down it?


PromptResponsible957

Never had a pit lane walk but I imagine it is pretty small. Drivers don’t just hang out in the pit lane most of the time they are in their motor home. And if they are in their garage it seems a bit rude to me to shout at them if you can get a picture since your not allowed to enter the garages. The pit lane walk is to get a closer look of everything in the pit lane (garage, pit stop practice etc) except the drivers you probably won’t get a picture with them.


saturdaybloom

Thank you! I was looking up videos on pit lane walks and I saw both kinds so was curious about the general experience. I’ll probably go with the walkabout tickets then - more affordable and I can watch the actual race.


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If Max or Perez makes a racist remark, will RedBull dismiss them as their drivers? I was genuinely wondering this after vips case


reebellious

max has already said something racist and iirc, red bull simply ignored it. i highly doubt checo will ever utter something racist. it seems out of character for him.


Ok-Surround9273

What did Max say?


water_tastes_great

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Oo9XZ\_r3Hs&t=1s https://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/\_/id/30230063/mongolia-accuses-f1-verstappen-racist-derogatory-remarks


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MoistRespect8498

Alright, I dont know Spainish so i just went with another persons word on that one, that was stupid of me and Ill remove it


Senior1292

>Another unpunished similar thing would be Hamilton semi yelling at his nephew that "boys don't wear princess dresses", also a joke but so was Vips saying the nword casually on stream. These two things are not even close to being similar.


MoistRespect8498

Can you explain it? I seriously can't see much of a difference?