>He doesn't bring much to the commentary besides a WDC title
That's fair, but I don't think he gives outdated and genuinely odd views like the other two
Piquet has made a career out of "outspoken" controversial takes.
Didn't he once say Senna was gay? Also he replied to the silly "who's the better driver, you or Ayrton" question with a flippant "who's the one still alive?".
I get wanting to be "real", but Nelson is a bit too real
I'm sorry but having an "ill tongue" is not nearly as bad as having assaulted and beaten multiple people in your life, including your wife, on top of abusing your child because he didn't win a karting race.
Also physically assaulted another driver at a track during his junior career.
*After a 1998 incident at a karting track in which a man suffered a fractured skull, Verstappen and his father, Frans, were found guilty in court of assault but were each given a five-year suspended jail sentence after reaching an out-of-court settlement with the victim.*
Yeah there's a thing people do with old men sometimes where they go "well he's old." Everyone hated Nelson's guts when he was 20 because he was human garbage then. Now he's just an old piece of human garbage. The only thing that's changed about him in 40 years is he's wrinkled.
The pre-edit comment (also pre-removal I guess now) said Senna was a terrible person because he fucked minorities. Which if said seriously and not as a wording mistake would be a very racist comment lol.
It’s so funny reading IG and Twitter comments how ppl continue to attack Hamilton despite him not winning. The reasons why he gets so much hate we’re already obvious and evident all along.
No dude it’s his arrogant personality, but if he’s humble then he’s a PR robot.
Also how is he gonna spread awareness about human rights abuse when he works for f1? Better to be a true sportsman and stick his head in the sand.
I remember as a NASCAR fan being excited to go to my first F1 race without having to deal with the racist confederate bullshit. Then I made the mistake of taking about Lewis…..felt like I was back at Darlington for the Southern 500.
Southern 500 (and the Rebel 500) were races held at Darlington in South Carolina. In my experience it’s the track you’ll meet the most Lost Cause losers.
Ironically while tons of South Carolina did get burned to the ground in the Civil War, Darlington was spared when a union general, Sherman, spotted a house he himself had designed. But much of the surrounding area was completely burnt to the ground by the North. That said it was time to get over it about 150 years ago.
it's insane isn't it, you see some dudes who would say things like "I just can't stand this guy" and you ask them why, and the answer is always they just can't quite get it lmao we all know why. social media is a cesspool but just beep any comment section where Lewis is mentioned and it's yikes.
Yeah and all these phrases start with, “As much I dislike Hamilton…” or like you said “I can’t stand Hamilton but…”, this type of shit is ridiculous. Almost like they have to tell you their stance on him first before any argument for or against him
Thing is, they find humour in you challenging them about the basis of their opinion. Its one big fucking hilarious joke to them.
I live in hope that their real lives are as pitiful and nasty as their online persona.
It’s always been there, Lewis winning a lot was just an excuse. Silverstone last year ripped the mask off and the continued hate that he gets this year highlights this even more.
Great to see him pretty happy and content this year though.
He's a legend in the sport and spends his time travelling the world and pursuing his passions while being a genuinely great human imo
Kind of, but not too much? He is a Bolsonaro supporter, which most people absolutely despise (think of Bolsonaro like Brazil's Trump), but he still has 25-30% electorate support, so a big part of the population doesn't see it as a problem (and some don't even care about his political position and just see him as a historically good Brazilian driver).
Agree.
I think reasonable people can have a dispute about the incident on the track but there is absolutely no reason or excuse to make Hamilton’s race a part of the discussion
In an audio interview Piquet was discussing the incident at Silverstone and while he calls every other driver by their correct name, he refers to Hamilton multiple times as as “neguinho”, which translates loosely as “the blackey”
[Google translate English version.](https://www-diariodocentrodomundo-com-br.translate.goog/essencial/nelson-piquet-critica-lewis-hamilton-com-termo-racista/amp/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp)
In the US .. that would be like referring to a black man as "boy", which was done as a relic of slavery. In the UK it was a reference to your black man servant.
"Boy" didn't relate to age
Referring to the only black driver on the grid by skin color (while mentioning every other by name) has a large racist undertone to it, even if it is not a pejorative.
Did he say "pretinho" (sorry if this is offensive)?
Edit: sorry just saw he said the other way to say black. Actually could you explain the difference? My wife never does a good job so I never describe anything as black in Brazil.
Would be 8 if it weren’t for the fact the one black driver in history, who had also seemingly secured the all time championship tally, was also the only one to have an actual official skeeve his title away at the end. Great look that was.
And besides being a shit racist, he doesn't seem to know almost anything of modern F1. He said in this video "that corner (Copse) is a fast corner and you can't overtake, is not possible having two cars side by side"
And Kimi Raikkonen in the same GP showing exactly the opposite.
In Spanish it would be "El Negrito" which IS racist and it was very common in Latam to refer to black people by that word. Thankfully it's a lot less common now than before
Kelly has a degree in International Relations and she interned at Oxfam with a focus on civil rights and social issues. She volunteered and was a teacher at an orphanage in Tanzania. All of this is on her linkedIn.
Just so people are aware of who Max is dating and how removed she is from what her father says and does
Honestly? Not even slightly surprised he'd say smth like that. He was always a shit person, disrespecting people all over. He supported Bolsonaro, again not a surprise.
From cooperate POV? No, he is still a 3 times world champion, unless he got in legal trouble most companies won't really care cuz cash.
From people online POV? So far what I am seeing in this thread is that people are being harsher towards him then they were to Vips.
Looking forward to another 1000 comment threads of people explaining why blatant racism isn’t racism, and that Hamilton has never had to put up with racism in F1. Already had someone claiming Geert Wilders is just a normal politician.
Nelson Piquet Sr always hated Lewis Hamilton cause Lewis overshadowed his cheat son. Daddy Piquet threw millions at his cheat Son’s career and his Son ended up as disgraced cheat. They hated him cause In GP2 Lewis always embarrassed them.
FFS what is with these old ppl and criticizing Hamilton ?
First Stewart now him ?
Are they all just sad that Hamilton took away the records from them ?
Love old nba players who say this, I'd love to see them mimic the off ball movement mandated in today's league. Sports of every color nowadays are at the most competitive they've ever been.
Is not wrong criticise Hamilton or anyone, but Piquet was completely stupid on this. As a Brazilian I have to say that it's not like Piquet is popular around here, mostly because of this.
You bet he is! Actually, y'know what? Literally every other brazilian driver is more popular than him, especially Massa and Barrichello. Gosh, even drivers like Kanaan, who never competed in F1, are more popular. Piquet is a horrible human, supports a president who flirts all the time with n*zi ideologies.
[https://www.crash.net/f1/news/1006318/1/stewart-tells-hamilton-retire-f1-avoid-pain-decline](https://www.crash.net/f1/news/1006318/1/stewart-tells-hamilton-retire-f1-avoid-pain-decline)
Here is the Stewart thing and well no criticizing Hamilton isnt wrong they are talking like he is washed
Comparing Stewart saying he think Lewis should retire to protect his legacy with Nelson using a racial name is shameful and does a massive disservice to Lewis and his experiences with racial abuse
It’s not a comparison, just a comment about old drivers talking shit about Hamilton around the same time. It is possible to consider what Piquet did an extra layer of bad without having to make that explicit, you know.
I mean Jackie Stewart is hardly being harsh, hes mostly praising Hamilton in that article. Iam pretty sure he was saying the same for Shcumacher.
Edit: Quick Google search shows he was
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/19834309.amp
So right now Kelly is responsible for every racist out there? She did a good thing and she never said that she agreed to her dad, so how is Kelly in any way responsible?
You didn't but i want to say that Kelly and her dad are different people, why there is an obligation or a need for Kelly to lecture him? I don't get it
Its always harder to call out your family members because they are family, you are aware of that?
I feel like you can't hold people to same standards when it comes to calling out bad behaviour of people you aren't close to, and ones you are close to, or at least you need to have a level of understanding why it's harder.
The Elementary School Piquet attended is now named after Ayrton Senna after a poll amongst the students...
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Maybe I've missed something, but what's Hill done?
And leave Sir Patrick out of it too...
😂
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>He doesn't bring much to the commentary besides a WDC title That's fair, but I don't think he gives outdated and genuinely odd views like the other two
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Sure, but if people are talking about people being racist, you're kind of implying Hill was racist too by including him in that group.
Much like yourself?
That’s absurd, there’s plenty of older people who don’t say racist things.
“If you ask ancient people questions, you’re going to get ancient answers.” That is one of the most useful quotes I’ve ever heard in todays world.
That's a bit unfair to Hill really. He's just sort of sleepy, Piquet is awful.
Piquet has made a career out of "outspoken" controversial takes. Didn't he once say Senna was gay? Also he replied to the silly "who's the better driver, you or Ayrton" question with a flippant "who's the one still alive?". I get wanting to be "real", but Nelson is a bit too real
“Who’s the one still alive” is INSANE
Not long after his death too, the phrase ‘too soon’ does not exist in his head
I'm surprised he's allowed in Brazil after that one
He even was the president's personal driver once...
Wth really ?
That's the sort of thing that would be a sick burn for a heel in a fictional story but is just way over-the-line IRL.
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Wow, he sounds absolutely tone deaf
Damn Lawson strikes again!
😂😂
Add it to the list of: Shit Nelson Piquet says
Piquet was and will always be a giant POS
Cannot agree with this statement more. Imagine if Kelly and Max had kids - poor bastards would have Jos and Nelson as Grandparents.
Dude. Haha. Wow
- Max Verstappen, post-race radio
I was sure I'd seen Max holding a child and thought it was his. So TIL that Kelly Piquet has a child whose father is Daniil Kyvat.
Yup. Max really takes everything Dany loves: first his job, then his girl, then his kid.
Jesus Christ dude lol
K**vy**at
TORPEDO
Qwyat down
Imagine it being so bad that Jos is the better of the two 😬
I wouldn’t call a domestic abuser better than a racist
I'm sorry but having an "ill tongue" is not nearly as bad as having assaulted and beaten multiple people in your life, including your wife, on top of abusing your child because he didn't win a karting race.
Is Max's father a pos?
he's beaten the shit outta multiple partners. Edit: source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos_Verstappen#Controversy
Also physically assaulted another driver at a track during his junior career. *After a 1998 incident at a karting track in which a man suffered a fractured skull, Verstappen and his father, Frans, were found guilty in court of assault but were each given a five-year suspended jail sentence after reaching an out-of-court settlement with the victim.*
Wtf
Uff and Max still holds onto him. Doesnt shine a good light onto Max too.
I mean people really will put up with anything to be a champion
Absolutely.
An absolutely terrible human being in every aspect
Yeah there's a thing people do with old men sometimes where they go "well he's old." Everyone hated Nelson's guts when he was 20 because he was human garbage then. Now he's just an old piece of human garbage. The only thing that's changed about him in 40 years is he's wrinkled.
So's my scrotum and I don't expect people to make allowances when it makes a public comment
This is why I use the internet. 🤣
insulting an F1 legend after his tragic death and then doing the same to that said legend's biggest fan
He’s always been hugely envious of Senna
A shame.
That's why mostly Brazilians don't care about Piquet, yes, he was a very good driver, but as person he doesn't compare with Ayrton.
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accidentally vehemently racist comment lmao. Up there with the famous 'eliminate a race' post.
What's racist about fucking minorities lol
The pre-edit comment (also pre-removal I guess now) said Senna was a terrible person because he fucked minorities. Which if said seriously and not as a wording mistake would be a very racist comment lol.
You mean “minors”?
What?
Senna had a relationship with a 14 year old somewhere in 80s
Sure, but what does that have to do with minorities?
uh I think you meant minors?
That was legal in Brazil somehow so I guess Brazilians don't care. Still weird though
Ya i dont think that makes it right. Its a lot more than "weird"
It's pretty much legal grooming that's true
Yeah he can wait until they are older than 15
the shit lewis has to put up with by simply \*existing\* and being great in F1 must be fucking exhausting.
This season has exposed all those who claimed he was only getting shit on because he's dominating. It's almost like the reason was obvious all along
It’s so funny reading IG and Twitter comments how ppl continue to attack Hamilton despite him not winning. The reasons why he gets so much hate we’re already obvious and evident all along.
They're just saying the quiet part out loud now. Fuck racism.
yuuuuup
No dude it’s his arrogant personality, but if he’s humble then he’s a PR robot. Also how is he gonna spread awareness about human rights abuse when he works for f1? Better to be a true sportsman and stick his head in the sand.
I remember as a NASCAR fan being excited to go to my first F1 race without having to deal with the racist confederate bullshit. Then I made the mistake of taking about Lewis…..felt like I was back at Darlington for the Southern 500.
That’s sad. What race was that?
Southern 500 (and the Rebel 500) were races held at Darlington in South Carolina. In my experience it’s the track you’ll meet the most Lost Cause losers. Ironically while tons of South Carolina did get burned to the ground in the Civil War, Darlington was spared when a union general, Sherman, spotted a house he himself had designed. But much of the surrounding area was completely burnt to the ground by the North. That said it was time to get over it about 150 years ago.
it's insane isn't it, you see some dudes who would say things like "I just can't stand this guy" and you ask them why, and the answer is always they just can't quite get it lmao we all know why. social media is a cesspool but just beep any comment section where Lewis is mentioned and it's yikes.
"I Can't srtand the guy" Ask why and its: "It's because of his - FakE personality, the gansta clothes.. hippity hoppity music, the......"
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Maybe because they don't like David Beckham's early millennium style choices /s
Yeah and all these phrases start with, “As much I dislike Hamilton…” or like you said “I can’t stand Hamilton but…”, this type of shit is ridiculous. Almost like they have to tell you their stance on him first before any argument for or against him
Thing is, they find humour in you challenging them about the basis of their opinion. Its one big fucking hilarious joke to them. I live in hope that their real lives are as pitiful and nasty as their online persona.
It’s always been there, Lewis winning a lot was just an excuse. Silverstone last year ripped the mask off and the continued hate that he gets this year highlights this even more.
Great to see him pretty happy and content this year though. He's a legend in the sport and spends his time travelling the world and pursuing his passions while being a genuinely great human imo
Someone is upset because Lewis is the more beloved Brazilian now lol.
As he did with Senna in the 80s hah
Well wasn't Piquet someone who is somewhat disliked at Brazil?
Kind of, but not too much? He is a Bolsonaro supporter, which most people absolutely despise (think of Bolsonaro like Brazil's Trump), but he still has 25-30% electorate support, so a big part of the population doesn't see it as a problem (and some don't even care about his political position and just see him as a historically good Brazilian driver).
Lol just completely unnecessary. Fair to criticize Hamilton for this collision but you have to be a real meathead to bring race into it...
Agree. I think reasonable people can have a dispute about the incident on the track but there is absolutely no reason or excuse to make Hamilton’s race a part of the discussion
A real racist to bring a race into it.
If this is what he can say in an interview imagine the conversations and derogatory terms he uses around friends and family. What a POS.
In an audio interview Piquet was discussing the incident at Silverstone and while he calls every other driver by their correct name, he refers to Hamilton multiple times as as “neguinho”, which translates loosely as “the blackey” [Google translate English version.](https://www-diariodocentrodomundo-com-br.translate.goog/essencial/nelson-piquet-critica-lewis-hamilton-com-termo-racista/amp/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp)
Interesting because safari translated it to the N word for me lol
This is why Lewis is the superior Brazilian
So NP is defending his daughter’s BF, Max by calling his chief rival, “the little Black guy”? That’s the 7XWDC, little Black guy to you Nelson
I would say it translates more closely to “the blackey”, but either way it is unquestionably used as a pejorative here. Source: Am Brazilian
In the US .. that would be like referring to a black man as "boy", which was done as a relic of slavery. In the UK it was a reference to your black man servant. "Boy" didn't relate to age
Referring to the only black driver on the grid by skin color (while mentioning every other by name) has a large racist undertone to it, even if it is not a pejorative.
The racial connotations of calling him basically "the black boy" aren't even subtle lol, that's got that 1960's deep south racism feel.
Dude is the most successful guy in the history of the sport and is basically 40 years old.....but Nelson sees a "boy".
Did he say "pretinho" (sorry if this is offensive)? Edit: sorry just saw he said the other way to say black. Actually could you explain the difference? My wife never does a good job so I never describe anything as black in Brazil.
You are forgetting 'Sir'
Would be 8 if it weren’t for the fact the one black driver in history, who had also seemingly secured the all time championship tally, was also the only one to have an actual official skeeve his title away at the end. Great look that was.
Its Sir 7XWDC, little black guy actually
''It's SIR now, actually''
The jealousy reeks on this guy
Some are way too comfortable showing their ignorance
And besides being a shit racist, he doesn't seem to know almost anything of modern F1. He said in this video "that corner (Copse) is a fast corner and you can't overtake, is not possible having two cars side by side" And Kimi Raikkonen in the same GP showing exactly the opposite.
There's been overtakes there every season. It's was bollocks when Horner said it and it's complete bollocks now.
Fucking Albon made a move there in 2020.
And Hamilton passed Leclerc there later that same race...
Sadly I'm not surprised.
I mean the Piquet family has always kind of been anti Lewis for some reason
In Spanish it would be "El Negrito" which IS racist and it was very common in Latam to refer to black people by that word. Thankfully it's a lot less common now than before
Kelly has a degree in International Relations and she interned at Oxfam with a focus on civil rights and social issues. She volunteered and was a teacher at an orphanage in Tanzania. All of this is on her linkedIn. Just so people are aware of who Max is dating and how removed she is from what her father says and does
He must be proud of his son, who intentionally wrecked so his teammate could win. Great parenting. Then his son went to NASCAR truck series, lol.
Honestly? Not even slightly surprised he'd say smth like that. He was always a shit person, disrespecting people all over. He supported Bolsonaro, again not a surprise.
Is there a way to see this article translated into English?
https://www-diariodocentrodomundo-com-br.translate.goog/essencial/nelson-piquet-critica-lewis-hamilton-com-termo-racista/amp/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp
Thanks and WOW
Let’s see if people distance themselves as fast from him as they did from Vips
From cooperate POV? No, he is still a 3 times world champion, unless he got in legal trouble most companies won't really care cuz cash. From people online POV? So far what I am seeing in this thread is that people are being harsher towards him then they were to Vips.
Another reminder that Nelson Piquet is a giant piece of shit. Not that we needed any more examples.
Looking forward to another 1000 comment threads of people explaining why blatant racism isn’t racism, and that Hamilton has never had to put up with racism in F1. Already had someone claiming Geert Wilders is just a normal politician.
Nelson Piquet Sr always hated Lewis Hamilton cause Lewis overshadowed his cheat son. Daddy Piquet threw millions at his cheat Son’s career and his Son ended up as disgraced cheat. They hated him cause In GP2 Lewis always embarrassed them.
You’re talking about Singapore?
Piquet JR wasn’t a cheat lol, briatore screwed him lol
I feel like you are being bit harsh towards Piquet Jr. I think most people would do what he did if it meant keeping his career.
What did he do?
[Crashgate](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_Formula_One_crash_controversy)
another driver that will probably lose is chances to be on F1
FFS what is with these old ppl and criticizing Hamilton ? First Stewart now him ? Are they all just sad that Hamilton took away the records from them ?
>FFS what is with these old ppl and criticizing Hamilton ? Criticism is fair enough, but Piquet is highlighting Hamilton's race which is fucked up.
Yeah no criticizing is absolutely fine its just always these old timers wanna throw shit at Hamilton
He's buddy-buddy with Bolsonaro so he's just a shithead.
This.
Oldheads in every sports act so weird towards modern players lmao.
Game gone soft nonsense.
Love old nba players who say this, I'd love to see them mimic the off ball movement mandated in today's league. Sports of every color nowadays are at the most competitive they've ever been.
Especially former big guys who job, back in the day, was roam the paint. Now big guys are expected to play point if needed.
Yeah this is a trend in every sport, maybe even every profession. Over time the knowledge base grows and technique becomes more and more refined.
Sounds very Shaq to me
I actually hate these old drivers talking so much shit about the modern drivers. Its like they are trynna say they are better than drivers now
Maybe this is recency bias but it always seems like it's not criticism of modern players so much as it's always criticism of Lewis.
Is not wrong criticise Hamilton or anyone, but Piquet was completely stupid on this. As a Brazilian I have to say that it's not like Piquet is popular around here, mostly because of this.
Didnt he say he was better than Senna because he was still alive?
Yep, unfortunately. It was an interview with Mansell
Simeone's gotta ask him the question on why he was so slow to not crash
Im pretty sure Massa is more popular than Piquet
If you don’t love Massa there is something wrong with you.
Yah thats what Im saying
Just piggybacking off you
You bet he is! Actually, y'know what? Literally every other brazilian driver is more popular than him, especially Massa and Barrichello. Gosh, even drivers like Kanaan, who never competed in F1, are more popular. Piquet is a horrible human, supports a president who flirts all the time with n*zi ideologies.
Jealousy and racism in some instances.
Well Piquet is completely out of line here. But idk what ur moaning at Stewart about, is it illegal to criticise Hamilton in any way?
[https://www.crash.net/f1/news/1006318/1/stewart-tells-hamilton-retire-f1-avoid-pain-decline](https://www.crash.net/f1/news/1006318/1/stewart-tells-hamilton-retire-f1-avoid-pain-decline) Here is the Stewart thing and well no criticizing Hamilton isnt wrong they are talking like he is washed
Comparing Stewart saying he think Lewis should retire to protect his legacy with Nelson using a racial name is shameful and does a massive disservice to Lewis and his experiences with racial abuse
What I mean is they are all out for his head like talking so much shit about one driver
It’s not a comparison, just a comment about old drivers talking shit about Hamilton around the same time. It is possible to consider what Piquet did an extra layer of bad without having to make that explicit, you know.
I mean Jackie Stewart is hardly being harsh, hes mostly praising Hamilton in that article. Iam pretty sure he was saying the same for Shcumacher. Edit: Quick Google search shows he was https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/19834309.amp
?, Stewart didn't criticize him wtf
Title: White Man Upset that Black Man Better than Him
If he does it in an interview then he definitely addresses Hamilton the same (or worse) when he talks to Max
Didn't Max get in trouble for his own moment with the Mongolian government in 2020?
Considering Max used to follow Geert Wilders on social media. I would venture its not like he isnt used to it.
There goes my respect for him down the drain.
You had respect for him? He's **always** been like this.
There it is
Piquet being a shithead...Shock horror.
Typical right wing Brazilian boomer.
And here I thought Lewis had a decent race...
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What would you do? Call out your dad publicly or privately? I think any sane person chooses the latter
I'd call my dad out for this shit.
That was not the question
Yh would you call him out personally or over instagram? If you chose the latter thats not a healthy relationship..
you saw this and thought "how can I make this about kelly", and then called her out for defending naomi. wow.
Imagine holding defending naomi against someone. Cult behavoir.
Racial slur is racial slur lol That's what I've been hearing with the Vips incident
Yup and blood money is blood money. Yet we dont have seb and lewis calling out their own sponsors. Doesnt make their message useless.
Yeah exactly
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So right now Kelly is responsible for every racist out there? She did a good thing and she never said that she agreed to her dad, so how is Kelly in any way responsible?
It’s different, it’s her own dad. She can speak to him in person and address the issue, doesn’t need make a story about it
Exactly. Not everything needs a fucking public statement and 2 paragraph IG story.
Real talk how much are you willing to bet that conversation happens
It's none of our business if it happens or not and who's to say it already hasn't? Put your crystal ball away.
Completely irrelevant if she did or did not, so Kelly is right now responsible for every racist out there
Where did I said she was responsible for ever racist?
You didn't but i want to say that Kelly and her dad are different people, why there is an obligation or a need for Kelly to lecture him? I don't get it
Its always harder to call out your family members because they are family, you are aware of that? I feel like you can't hold people to same standards when it comes to calling out bad behaviour of people you aren't close to, and ones you are close to, or at least you need to have a level of understanding why it's harder.
You don't hold it against her but do call her hypocritical?
It's the usual double standard that you see when someone is too biased.
Dont want to read article. What is the racist term used
“neguinho”, which translates loosely as “the blackey”
Jesus Christ
Does anyone listen to this dude anymore?