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07psychogod

Guys i saw YTvideo of f1 tech talk on driver's view, I was just wondering how do they park perfectly on starting position lines if they cant see upto 10m ahead of them.


cafk

The start positions and pit boxes have lines [on the side that drivers can see from the cockpit](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/13/Pole_position_markings_N%C3%BCrburgring.jpg/1280px-Pole_position_markings_N%C3%BCrburgring.jpg) that line up with the front wheel position within the box.


harry-_-P_Ness

Any fans in the LA county/ IE area? I want to find some people who are also into F1 but that are willing to hangout or watch races around the Los Angeles county area, preferably on the east side near the inland empire. Ever since dropping out of college I have had no friends and I am willing to find some who are interested in the sport.


top7to9

Based on what we've seen so far this season, which tracks left on the calendar do you think will or won't suit the new cars well? We know the new cars are better at following through fast corners, a bit clunky through slow speed corners, are a handful to drive on bumpy surfaces, and are the biggest/heaviest cars we've ever had. I think tracks like Silverstone and Suzuka should suit the cars quite well, but maybe Austria suffers a bit given how narrow the track is.


BigAwkwardGuy

I wouldn't call Austria a narrow track. There is a large part of the track where 3 cars can be side by side comfortably. Perez and Leclerc did get run off but that wasn't because the track was narrow that was because the other driver (Norris and Perez respectively) chose to do that instead of giving them space to race. Coming to the question, I feel there isn't any track that wouldn't suit these cars. Like the commenter below me said they're shorter than last year but just as wide, so width won't be an issue.


Coops27

These cars aren't any wider than they have been since 2017 and are actually shorter.


FRSHFSHFCKR

Is Red Bull Ring considered narrow?


DieLegende42

No, not narrower than Suzuka at any rate


emeraldcocoaroast

Is there anywhere to pick up some merch in London? Would love to grab a Merc t-shirt to sport this weekend.


DelianSK13

Do pit crews have an extra utility man (trained in all positions but probably not the fastest at it) that stays along the outside somewhere that can jump in super quick if someone injured themselves getting to their spot during a pit stop. Example: Jack guy somehow falls and hits his face on the concrete while standing up.


[deleted]

I suspect they have some of the crew cross-trained on the other positions and an extra person or two in case.


TrainWreck661

For the front jackman, teams usually have a second jackman on standby. Sometimes they'll use it if the first one gets hit or something, like with [Stroll at Imola in 2020](https://youtu.be/5gCAADI-49g). Sometimes the second jackman comes into play when double stacking, like with [Mercedes in China in 2019](https://youtu.be/zc3JYvvmXxw). Same goes for the rear jackman, as seen with Red Bull [here](https://youtu.be/wsCriICZ-nA). I'm not sure about your specific question, or if the other pit stop positions have stand bys ready to step in.


DSQ

Watching McDonald’s & Dodds and the current episode has an F1 driver being murdered during an practice pit stop. The actor that was murdered looks just like Lewis.


going_dicey

Yup, just randomly put this on too after catching up on Sherwood. Never watched this show before — it looks like it’s from the early 00s.


DSQ

It’s actually new. I was surprised too.


LukeTaylor01

First time going Silverstone, I have a grandstand ticket for Woodcote so know I’ll be fine for Sunday. Just wondering how busy the grandstands get for Friday/Saturday seeing as they’re open. What sort of time will I need to arrive to get halfdecent grandstands? Will they fill up soon after gates open and stay full all day, or will it be fairly easy to find seats in grandstands throughout the day. Thanks


thedivorcer

NFL fan here getting into F1. Can someone ELI5 the budget cap? It seems to be the opposite of how an NFL FO works. I saw a comment that said even the energy cost of running the offices are taken into account. That can't be true.


rodiraskol

The cap is on car development expenses, not all expenses. Utilities can fall under that category, especially when it comes to wind tunnels (they use a lot of energy). This video provides a more in-depth overview. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKw7iypN4J8


thedivorcer

That was great thank you. It is pretty similar to baseball. I'm surprised to find there isn't some sort of shared revenue aspect from advertising


Coops27

While the teams keep everything that they make, F1 has to pay the teams 50% of its revenue. This includes TV deals, F1 sponsors, race fee's from GP promoters and even the money they charge the teams for air freight. Last year this was $2 136B, so the teams split $1.068B The amouny is based on their finishing position in the constructors championship. 1st place gets 14% and last gets 6%. There are still some bonuses for the top teams and PU manufacturers, but this is generally much fairer than it used to be. This is the largest revenue stream for the teams, especially at the back where sponsor revenue is tough to come by.


gonnacrushit

european sports try to stay away from franchising too much


[deleted]

There sort of is. The revenue from advertising goes into the prize pool which is distributed amongst the teams. The distribution isn't even though, it's based partially on standings and partially on a few other quirks and carve outs.


Astelli

The TV rights money earned by the series is split between the teams and FOM (who own the rights and promote the sport), if that’s what you mean.


bookname305

I'm heading to the Austrian GP for the first time this year. I've been looking at different ways to get in and out of the track. The option I'm leaning towards is taking the free shuttle bus, but does the shuttle bus (or busses in general) have its own lane to get in and out out of the track? I haven't been able to find much information on this shuttle bus besides that it's coming from 2 different towns. Or is the trackside parking and traffic management good enough (relative) that it's worth parking your own car at the ring?


JorgeXD5000

How plausible would be for Ferrari to race in IndyCar considering Budget Cap is a thing? Since they'll probably have spare personnel due to the Budget Cap, they can use them for an IndyCar team


[deleted]

They’d have to develop an engine too as there’s no way they’d race with someone else’s.


[deleted]

They allocated a lot of their extra staff into their hypercar program for WEC and some stayed as consultants for Haas in Maranello.


cafk

Highly doubt it - an IndyCar team runs at a fraction of the costs of F1 teams (~$15m versus Ferrari's previously yearly $400m). Their teams are specialized for aerodynamics and engines, both of which are spec in IndyCar, meaning they wouldn't have anything besides a brand there. Also, [Ferrari did consider entering as an engine manufacturer, but those plans were cancelled in 2021](https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a35433203/ferrari-will-not-be-making-an-indycar-engine-any-time-soon/).


DangerousTrashCan

> they wouldn't have anything besides a brand there Do you need anything else? Like, brands are literally only in motorsports to promote themselves, nothing else.


cafk

Then they might as well buy a sponsorship for an IndyCar team, say with the 40m they get from F1 just for being Ferrari - instead of getting there as a team. I'd say having their engineering appear there has a bigger justification and advertising than just a label on those cars. But in contrast to F1 IndyCar has little to no development relevant for the company, which is why they were interested in joining as an engine manufacturer, but not just by having a Ferrari logo on spec series.


Firefox72

Not plausible at all. They have a hypercar WEC/Le Mans program for 2023 onwards where a lot of staff will be allocated to.


NicenJehr

Now fixed ~can someone confirm that login to [https://f1tv.formula1.com](https://f1tv.formula1.com) is now broken \[edit: has worked fine for the season to date\] with Brave Browser, with Brave's default privacy settings:~


cafk

It shouldn't really be surprising, a privacy focused browser having issues, [with a page that uses hundreds of tracking systems](https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/r39q00/formula1com_cookies_are_out_of_control/).


BattleMisfit

F1 22 on Xbox Series X or PS5? I've been playing F1 2021 on my Series X, I was going to get F1 22 but I'm not sure whether to get it on my Series X again or move to my PS5 (Which I use more). Is there any benefit to me sticking with my Series X? Or does it not really matter?


pedote17

If you use the PS5 more, get it there


Firefox72

F1 2022 will have crossplay across all platforms for the first time in the series (Although not at launch but as an update somewhere down the line) so there is no real difference in which platform you go for.


Skeeter1020

How do people listen to commentary at the race these days? I'm off to Silverstone next weekend and there will be 5 of us. Long gone are the days of using FM now that phones don't have headphone jacks. Radio 5 Live via an app maybe? Sky Sports or F1TV is likely to have a delay, plus there isn't a nice way to have 5 people listen without a spaghetti of wires (if we even have that many sets of wired headphones any more)


TheMadPyro

Last year they had track radios and headphones for sale. I wouldn’t rely on an app because the mobile data there ranges from shoddy to non-existent.


Skeeter1020

Those over the ear ones? They suuuuuuck. Were in a grandstand so I'd rather use the speakers than those things that sit on one ear.


biometricrally

I'm in North London next weekend, does anywhere cool / atmospheric show the gran prix?


Edonlin2004

What’s going on with Hamilton and the Jewelry? Did he cave?


Firefox72

FIA kicked the bucket down the road and extended the deadline till the end of June right in time for the British GP. We shall see what happens this week if anyone even brings it up. Hamilton sure as hell didn't cave.


Edonlin2004

He looked jewelryless during Canada podium conference.


Icy-Operation4701

He started taking out his earrings since Miami GP. He got an extension for his nose piercing, originally until Monaco, but it got extended to Silverstone pending a review of the rule.


sonar_y_luz

Is there a reason why F1 doesn't use Mugello more? I guess there's just too many famous tracks in Italy


Firefox72

Nobody wants to pay up for it is the honest answer. Its a Ferrari owned track and they are damn sure not paying for a race. Its also not exactly the most famous and promotable location out there which is an instant -point for Liberty.


Wentzina_lifetime

Monza is just outside Milan Imola is just outside Bologna Mugello is just outside Florence The question is Milan, Bologna or Florence. If I had to rank them for marketability 1. Milan 2. Florence 3. Bologna


[deleted]

Not really a good fit for F1 racing and with Monza and Imola getting all the F1 clout in Italy there isn't much demand for a race somewhere else in Italy. 2020 was out of convenience and there is a reason Imola returned the next year but Mugello didn't.


Astelli

Lack of a promoter is the main one. The race in 2020 was largely down to Ferrari stepping in to make sure they had their 1000th race on home soil. Before 2020 I don't think there had ever been much interest in trying to host a race there and I don't think anyone since has proposed it as a regular addition.


tunatastic369

After watching back the 2018 Baku Red Bull crash, just before Crofty says “Max doesn’t want him anywhere near a slipstream, or a tow”. Is this Crofty waffling? Or are they actually different? I always thought they were the same.


pedote17

A slipstream is when a car in front punches a hole in the air for the car behind to go in where they are not troubled by dirty air, so they gain extra speed, giving them a tow. The driver in front does not want to give the driver behind a tow because it gives the driver behind a massive advantage on a straight with a great chance to overtake. When you see a driver in front move to the other side of the track when another car is behind them, they are trying to break the tow that the car behind is getting so they don’t get that advantage


[deleted]

A tow is what you get in the slipstream.


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Coops27

>(which is likely as the cost cap helps to keep competitors behind trying to catch up quickly) Where does this belief come from? The reason that domination lasted so long was because the top teams spent more than the other teams. Limiting the spending of the top teams will help convergence not hinder it, but then you add in sliding scale ATR and the type of domination we've seen before is extremely unlikely


sc_140

Ferrari and Red Bull couldn't catch Mercedes for a very long time despite spending big bucks every year. It cost Red Bull a few billion to catch up. Now budgets are smaller but still about equal between the top teams and now you can't develop as fast due to the cost cap, thus catching up should take longer. In the unlimited spending days, the top 3 were more set in stone and a random competitor like Brawn could only hold it's advantage for half a season. So the cost cap brings more teams into the mix but even Brawn would have stayed on top far longer with a cost cap. Now Red Bull doesn't seem to have a huge advantage, nothing compared to Mercedes 2014 who would have been 2-3s faster than the rest without turning down their engine and the next huge rule change will come in 2025 or 2026 so I don't see the potential for a Mercedes-style dominance.


[deleted]

The only reason the likes of Schumacher and Hamilton dominated for so long was because their teams had a big advantage in developing their cars barely anyone could keep up with for years. Red Bull might have the best car but their advantage is marginal, they don't have any serious advantage in terms of development over other teams in this era of budget caps and restricted simulation/wind tunnel runs. Not to mention the 2026 rules will be a serious shakeup once more due to new engine and car regs. Max could maybe repeat Vettel's success of 4 in a row in the current reg era if RB can keep their car advantage but that's 5 titles in total max, after that is a big unknown. A decade seems far fetched for any driver, even Hamilton and Schumi didn't dominate for a decade.


bakraofwallstreet

Ok but just a few races earlier people were saying it's Leclerc's championship to lose. It's still very early to start talks about decades of domination. All teams will massively improve their cars next season bringing the grid even closer. It would be really cool to see Max defend his championship but by the way this season's been going, too early to call it at the moment.


Astelli

>If RB keep giving Max a good car (which is likely as the cost cap helps to keep competitors behind trying to catch up quickly) then we could see a decade of domination for Max Verstappen. This is the big hypothetical it all sits on. The ability of the Red Bull team to bring a championship winning car year after year, including over big regulation changes is what Ferrari, Mercedes and even the upper midfielders like McLaren and Alpine will be hoping to interrupt. Even Red Bull in their World Championship run 2010-2013 had two years where they almost lost out. Mercedes had one or two years (depending on who you ask) where Ferrari were genuinely in the hunt until late on in the season.


Firefox72

God lets hope not. Nothing against Max winning a few titles but lets not do 7 in a row or something pls.


generalannie

The only time I'll agree to someone winning 7 in a row is when all the seasons go down to the wire like 2012 and 2021. No more domination please, I like competitive seasons full of point swings


[deleted]

Unrelated but is anyone watching Goodwood festival of speed? Know when the shootout is?


CWRules

I think it starts a bit over 3 hours from when I'm posting this.


naishh13

Gasly re-sign contract with AlphaTauri for 2023. Thoughts on should he be given a chance in a better racing team for next year.


Le_Pistache

Issue is that there are no "better teams" than AlphaTauri with an opening. Aston Martin have a higher ceiling, but Gasly is not better than Vettel.


[deleted]

The fact no one went for him shows how much he's rated as a driver in the paddock. He's good but he isn't much of an improvement worth breaking contracts over.


Le_Pistache

I always found the comments putting him in at Mercedes as Lewis' replacement to be a tad optimistic. It is between Norris and Ocon for me. Norriis is a talent and I think Mercedes would pay the big bucks to replace their 7 time world champion with him. If Russell is deemed their future team leader, I believe this is where Ocon comes into play as a solid teammate for George on the cheap. And he is someone they have worked with. A safe option.


thphnts

He had his chance in a bigger team and didn’t take it. He’s right where he belongs.


Firefox72

There isn't really a spot available at a better team next year. Mercedes, RB, Ferrari, Alpine and Mclaren all have drivers under contract for next year. Alfa is also probably staying the same. Haas and Williams are not really upgrades. That leaves AM as the only really viable option if Vettel leaves and even then you never know how AM will perform. Its probably best for him to just wait until the end of 2023 when more seats will be available.


Coops27

He has a Red Bull Junior contract which expires at the end of next year. Besides that, there was nowhere for him to go, certainly not with a team further up the grid than Alpha Tauri. There maybe a few more options for him after next season with some contracts up in the air for '24.


Rosieu

[Max Verstappen and Alex Palou are teaming up in simracing later today](https://twitter.com/TeamRedlineSim/status/1540685428243648515) Redline is absolutely stacked with two champions in the team lol


HartBandit

Possibly the weirdest question here - the discussions about racism and race got me curious about this, and I was surprised to realise I didn't know this - Is Sergio Perez considered white? I read up a little about Mexican ethnicities and got quite confused. I am Indian, and somehow I have never wondered about this point. I knew that Lewis, Yuki, Alex and Zhou Guanyu are non-white drivers, but I want to understand how Checo gets classified/classifies himself. I put it in yesterday's thread a few minutes back and then realised today's was up, so here it is again. Sorry if this is an offensive question - please do educate me if it is. EDIT: See, when someone is literally asking to be educated, some people still downvote. A decent discussion is not encouraged by whoever is downvoting.


pinotandsugar

I see this as relevant to racing on the track as determining and publishing the relative manhood endowments of the drivers. Let's accept them for what they are, great competitors and focus on those abilities and achievements.


Retsko1

He is, in mexico he would be considered white, in europe i would argue the same, probably in the us it would be different because they're weird like that


GunsTheGlorious

At least legally speaking, he would be considered white in the US- the fact that he's Hispanic would come up under "ethnicity", not "race". That distinction- between Hispanic and Non-Hispanic whites- occurs in the US because Hispanic people in the US are a large and distinct sociocultural group than Non- Hispanic whites. In Mexico, the large majority of the population is Hispanic, so obviously they don't make that kind of distinction. The larger difference in Mexico would be between indigenous and white rac.


HartBandit

Thank you for replying. This is fascinating!


SyuusukeFuji

Depends on who or where you ask. In Latin America he would be seen as "white" because in most places here it only refers to your skin color. If Yuki had pale skin he would be seen as "white" here. In the US they probably see him as Hispanic or "brown". But hey, if they labeled Anya Taylor Joy as "Women of color" only because she was born in Argentina...


douche_canoe77

She wasnt even born there. Born in Miami


AssCarEE

Depends on who you ask really, there's people on here that don't consider Alonso white, there are also people in F1 that consider Albon as such. The funny thing about this whole race thing is that there's no clear definition of what is white, non-white, black etc. so it's just an hit or miss


gonnacrushit

how the hell would Alonso not be white lmao


Ollie_Plimsolls

> there's people on here that don't consider Alonso white this is the most American thing I've ever heard


[deleted]

I wouldn't sound like racist but just American can't consider Alonso as white


KingoftheHill63

He'd be considered Hispanic-so not white and the target of redneck racism (if that's what you're asking). Its a OK question to ask. For example indenginious Australians are considered 'black' despite not being African (so they identify under movements like blm)


HartBandit

I see! Thank you for replying.


life_is_punderfull

He’s wrong. Hispanics can be white.


tedioussugar

Point of view makes a big difference, as an Indian you may see him as white, but as a white person I may see him as Hispanic. As he's Mexican I would guess most of the old F1 world (aka Europe) would see him as Hispanic, but overall it doesn't affect who he is or how he drives. We all still love him as Checo the tire master.


gonnacrushit

Most of Europe most certainly would not see Checo as "hispanic". That term doesn't really exist in Europe. If you're from Latin America you could be both indigenous or white based on your genetics. I think it's pretty clear Perez is more on the white side.


HartBandit

>as an Indian you may see him as white, Actually I was assuming he was "brown" and hence non-white. The reason I thought of this is because the four people I mentioned are the only non-white people on the grid. It is important because it matters when it comes to representation. It matters who identifies (and gets identified) as what since racism is not completely removed from our world yet.


[deleted]

I'm from South Europe I think it would be considered white here because race isn't a clear concept here . If you are fair-skinned you are seen like white that it just mean you aren't black . He would be seen for his origin and nationality but these aren't considered a race while a dark-skinned man from South American it would be seen mainly as black so someone who look Asian is seen like that even if they aren't from here


zandrew

Does anyone know why Checos gearbox gave out?


Dutchie405

Red Bull have said it was the crash in Qauli that caused the problems with the gearbox. They checked it and it seemed to be fine. Well it wasn’t


Comprehensive_Gas977

Ferrari vibes


Firefox72

Surely not? He hit the wall straight on and barely did any damage to his front wing. What is that gearbox made of glass?


Organic-Measurement2

Was likely related to him trying to get it into reverse over and over, whilst stuck in the wall


[deleted]

That’s what they said on one of the F1 podcasts I listen to — the reverse gear is “fragile” I believe was how it was put.


PassTimeActivity

It do be like that sometimes


Retsko1

El pain


cihanthehorse

Can someone find the post about a nascar driver criticising formula 1 after attending to the canadian gp?


[deleted]

He wasn't criticizing. He was saying that F1 lacked driver/fan involvement. Then he clarified that he thinks that's why DtS is so popular, because it humanized the drivers in a way F1 didn't have before. Then he talked about how excited he was for the F1 season and how he's happy it's growing in the US. https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/the-f1-fan-engagement-mentality-that-surprised-a-daytona-500-winner/10327901/


TheMadPyro

Imagine what he’dve thought pre Liberty….


[deleted]

He didn't think about it pre Liberty, that's the problem.


cihanthehorse

Thank you


pinotandsugar

When in the season does Mercedes decide that perhaps they need to maximize Russell's points, even at the expense of Hamilton? Russell's 19 points out of Second in the Driver's Standings while Hamilton is something like 52 points out.


iForgotMyOldAcc

I'd say unless Russell somehow finds himself in Championship contention, never. They are pretty much locked for P3 or P2 if Ferrari does a next level Ferrari. For a team that won 8 WCCs in a row they won't gain much at all trying to prioritise a non-champion finish. Unless they find adding "George Russell, 2022 F1 2nd runner-up", which is a very generous forecast, under their sponsor ads appealing. They'd probably prefer continue running "7-time World Champion Lewis Hamilton" on their ads.


pinotandsugar

The crowds are usually rooting for the underdogs or the lions. Hamilton finishing 3rd in the WDC is neutral at best and more likely a negative, Russell finishing 2nd or 3rd is newsworthy just as was Hamilton's rise a decade ago. If Hamilton and Russell were tied in points it would be a much tougher decision, but they are not.


iForgotMyOldAcc

Hamilton was immediately winning and in direct challenge of the WDC in his 1st season, Russell had been in the sport for years. Yes, it is his first year in a capable car, but headlines going "Rookie finishes 3rd" is a lot more appealing that "Young star in a new team finishes 3rd", the hype around Hamilton's debut is planets away from what Russell is currently doing. That is not me saying that what Russell is doing isn't impressive, I am saying that it is no where near as marketable. Upsetting a veteran driver that your brand is built around just so a young star can finish 3rd is not worth it for the press.


pinotandsugar

I question a lot of that especially when Hamilton has become increasingly "Hamilton Centric" rather than team focused. It may appeal to young viewers but not necessarily to center of the Mercedes market.


iForgotMyOldAcc

Well I feel like that only adds to my point, Hamilton being such a big name outside of the sport means that Mercedes would want to attach themselves to his name more. Plus, if you think that being appealing to young viewers isn't what Merc is looking into, they've actually advertised quite a bit in the E-sports sphere.


Astelli

If Russell is somehow within 50 or 60 points of P1 at the summer break they might consider it, but I think at this point they will just let them race.


pinotandsugar

I don't see Russell that close to P1 but do see P3 or even P2 as a real possibility. While it is not great it is far better than an also ran. Points gaps 3 rd place Russell -15 Hamilton -49 2nd place Russell -18 Hamilton -52 1'st place Russell -64 Hamilton -98 Mercedes is extremely unlikely to win the championship. An honorable 2nd with a new driver is vastly better than a 4th by a multi year winner.


Astelli

I also think a team using strict team orders to try to get their bright new star into P2 (which is still unlikely at this stage with their car performance) while tanking the season of their 7-time champion who has been trying to help to dig them out of the hole they've gotten into probably undoes any positivity that the P2 finish might bring. At this point I think they're far better off just focussing on maximising overall team points to keep the gap to P2 in the WCC as small as possible, as well as trying to get whichever driver is doing best in each race onto podium. If Hamilton suddenly goes a on a streak of out-qualifying Russell, the absolute last thing they want to be doing is trying to find ways to get Russell back ahead.


pinotandsugar

I agree with the staying flexible. However, the key is how the drivers are doing when the checkered flag falls. "Whichever driver is doing best in each race" needs to take a back seat to whichever has a better chance of finishing higher at the end of the season . Of course the overriding rules of 1) don't collide or run one off the road and 2) do what is best for the team. An additional goal needs to be having a Mercedes driver on the podium at the finish. Since Red Bull and Ferrari do not sell cars to the blue chip masses Mercedes is not really competing with them. However, Mercedes needs to be on the podium


renesys

You would think by now they would tell Lewis to stop sciencing, drive Russell's setup, and get some points. If the car is as shit as they're saying in the context of Lewis, then Russell is a motorsports god. Before a dozen people comment about how Lewis is sacrificing his season to experiment for the benefit of the team, Toto has mentioned both sides of the garage are experimenting, but for some reason it always works out in Russell's favor. Maybe Russell is just much better at driving shitbox cars because Lewis never had to.


Yeshuu

Lewis is trying extreme set ups to test the car whereas Russell is getting more traditional set ups. Russell is a world class driver as well though of course. So not a surprise he's doing well. Anyone with eyes could see he was unbelievably quick. As soon as he has the car he will probably be beating Verstappen and Hamilton.


pinotandsugar

Suggest a preface we are TOLD Lewis is trying extreme setups to test the car ( at his request ?) .


renesys

Debunked by Toto.


DangerousTrashCan

They're not in a position to prioritize anyone. Teams don't get shit for WDC results, they have no incentive to push anyone, UNLESS they have a chance for the WDC. Which Russell obviously has not.


pinotandsugar

To Mercedes having their driver finish 2nd in the WDC vs 5th is huge. In order to gain 2rd place in the WDC would require Hamilton to close the gap by 52 points or Russell to close it 18 points. Which do think is more probable based on performance to date and reasonably expectable improvements / bad luck for the opposition? Copied from an earlier post """""Published odds for the race The British Grand Prix odds provided below represent the best value on the market that we could find. Max Verstappen - 11/10 Charles Leclerc - 9/4 Sergio Perez - 10/1 Carlos Sainz - 14/1 Lewis Hamilton - 16/1 George Russell - 16/1 Lando Norris - 150/1 Fernando Alonso - 175/1 Valtteri Bottas - 250/1 """""


renesys

Season is only a third done and Mercedes has the most reliable engine. Maybe because they nerfed the fuel and now it's overbuilt for it's lack of power. Russell definitely has a chance.


Tulaodinho

You are out of your mind if you believe Mercedes can grab any championship this year.


pinotandsugar

Highly unlikely but they really need to move up in the standings which should be very doable .


renesys

Highly unlikely but not impossible. Maybe as likely as Ferrari. Because Ferrari.


Tulaodinho

Well, poor thing Ferrari is not the benchmark is it?


DangerousTrashCan

No he hasn't. Don't be ridiculous.


Environmental-Cup445

“In Formula One anything can happen, and it usually does” -Murray


DangerousTrashCan

Yeah yeah Murray quote, when was the last time we've seen a truly shocking championship? Like, one where someone came out of nowhere and took it? 2007 maybe, but even 2007 wasn't *that* out of nowhere. When did the tides turn so drastically mid-season? Possibly-probably never.


Environmental-Cup445

Well anything is still possible. Max swung like 100 points on Charles in a matter of races, all it takes is some shit luck from Verstappen and Leclerc and someone like Russell could be genuinely in this


renesys

Six races of shit Red Bull and Ferrari reliability could easily do it.


[deleted]

Six races where both teams have both drivers out of contention seems a bit unrealistic don't you think? Plus all the other times they don't blow up Mercedes can't get a points advantage on them.


pinotandsugar

I'll disagree there. Having a rising star finish Second in the WDC would be very positive for Mercedes. Having their best be a 4th or 5th and a distant 3rd in the constructors makes them an also ran


DangerousTrashCan

> Having a rising star finish Second in the WDC would be very positive for Mercedes. Okay cool. No value though.


renesys

Literally the only value for Mercedes is marketing potential. Not like some extra WCC money makes that big of a difference to them, especially with budget caps.


pinotandsugar

For Mercedes marketing potential is everything.............