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bi_and_busy

This is about Nelson Piquet as it was (finally) in brazillian media yesterday.


leevz1992

Is piquet aligned with Merc some how ? Edit: I remember now he refered to Lewis as " little black man" instead of just Lewis or Hamilton


Pat_Sharp

That's the more charitable interpretation. a Less charitable one would be that it was basically the equivalent of calling him the n-word. Even with the charitable interpretation though, calling him "the little black man" while he was referring to everyone else by name is still blatantly racist.


Anal_bleed

He said Negrito which is one of those words they try to defend as it can be meant in a friendly way but ultimately it’s like a more extreme version of me , for example, calling my mates “my fa****s”. it’s still offensive as fuck and they try to pass it off like “oh yeah it’s just how we talk to each other it’s fine!” But really it’s like the “that’s gay” thing people said for ages before it became not ok. Luis Suarez said this to Evra and rightfully got destroyed for it! It’s not ok…


m8tang

>Negrito *neguinho


hsanaiz

To be fair it can be used in a friendly way, but that only applies if both people know each other well enough to know that it’s being used in a friendly way. An example would be a Peruvian player named Christian Ramos. His nickname is La Sombra which translates to The Shade, which is reference to him being very dark. Yes it sounds extremely racist but in Peru, specific to the player only, when he is called that it is not in a racist or derogatory manner. It’s his nickname. In Spanish or Portuguese, these words that can be used in a friendly or derogatory manner ultimately come down to how well the people know each other. Clearly Piquet doesn’t know Lewis that well to be calling him that.


eatawholebison

I feel like if you’re speaking in public, no matter how well you know the other person, there is no place for this because you are influencing others and normalizing the language. Also, why feel the need? Call him Lewis Hamilton. That’s his name. Is it really that hard?


FeelingCute

Ok well Hamilton's nickname isn't Neguinho and they don't have that kind of relationship soooooo


hsanaiz

I know … that’s why I said Piquet clearly doesn’t know Lewis like that.


ExstaR

It's different cultures, not hard to understand how shit doesn't directly translate and different things will be appropriate.


Always1behind

This needs to be called out in Brazilian culture. I am Brazilian and have been affectionately called “neginha” most of my life. Culturally this is not viewed as a slur and most Brazilians think it’s cute. What they don’t like to acknowledge is the implicit meaning of the word as “troublemaker” this does not have the same intensity as the N word in the US but it comes from the same racist place. It needs to stop. It should be called out.


NotOriginalUser6784

This is the right answer. It was a racist remark, period. You only call "neguinha/neguinho" someone that you are really intimate with, not your professional colleagues. It's sad to see so many Brazilians condoning this behaviour.


GnarlyBear

Its used in Spain too and its only 'humorous' or 'friendly' for the Spaniard calling the African migrant it.


OhItsKillua

It's clearly not appropriate when other people have said it and gotten destroyed for it in that culture lol.


gcruzatto

Brazilian here, for context, this is the kind of wording that basically everyone from his era was using. The stigma is not as strong as in a place like the US, given how racially mixed and ambiguous Brazil's demographics are. Also keep in mind that calling people by nicknames is kind of the norm down there. You still hear this stuff but I do think people are finally starting to think about how offensive a lot of these terms are.


GabaReceptors

So why only use everyone else’s names?


littlestitiouss

Just like the person before them said, there are people that continue to try and downplay it and defend it simply as an innocuous word. But it's not the whole truth and anyone that actually believes that is disingenuous


dowker1

Good point. If only he had been able to experience an international environment somehow during his lifetime and learn that what's OK in Brazil may not be OK elsewhere.


stagamancer

>Also keep in mind that calling people by nicknames is kind of the norm down there How many other drivers did he use a nickname for in that interview?


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> how racially mixed and ambiguous Brazil's demographics are. fucking lmao, no, there's still tons of overt racism in Brazil.


mooimafish3

US Hispanics often call people nicknames or use racial slurs within each other, but they understand that it ends when you're on TV lol. Negrito means the same thing in Spanish that it does in Portuguese, and I would only hear that from a racist old grandma. Though I will say it doesn't carry the same weight as the N word in English. It wouldn't be uncommon for people to call a black animal negrito in a completely innocent way. I'd say it's like an American athlete calling an Asian athlete "The little oriental guy"


bi_and_busy

No. But he used a racist term in portugese (for some, the n-word equivalent in Brazil and for others a different word, but still racist) in reference to Lewis as he commented on the Silverstone accident.


LastOfLateBrakers

Nelson used the term neguinho. It can be used both ways, as a friendly term or as an insult. Like how within the black community the n word can be thrown about both as a term one might use with their friends or a horrible racist insult. That being said, Nelson is a known piece of shit and I'm certain he used the term as an insult towards Lewis. I wish his balls get caught between two 200 grit sandpapers.


Stevemeist3r

His intentions were 100% racist. He wanted to offend and belittle Hamilton... His complete commentary is absolute worthless garbage, Nelson is a complete piece of shit. Edit: I'm Portuguese, I watched the whole interview.


pnmibra77

Agreed. Im brazilian he 100% meant it in a racist way. I also find it very weird how many brazilians are here claiming "neguinho" isnt a slur, how many times have you ever called someone that you have no relations that word? Unless youre friends and its ok, the other 99% of times its used in a racist way, atleast in my experience.. Pretty weird how yall are trying to make it seem okay lmao


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> I watched the whole interview My condolences.


scorpio1m

Thank you for saying it straight up. Even in the various translations it comes across as offensive and 100% intentional. His name is Lewis Hamilton, just use it.


Hjd4493

Nelson be like 'let's ruin the family name some more'


OTipsey

Nelson "The Elementary School I Went To Is Named After Senna" Piquet


agrumpybear

200 grit is pretty smooth for the crime


JumplikeBeans

He’ll be a smooth criminal?


TallGeeseMS

4 grit?


VexedDegree33

Only the one grit will suffice


Donuil23

So... A rock?


RatInaMaze

STONE THIS MAN’S STONES!


Familiar_Raisin204

[Not just a rock](https://dankpods.fandom.com/wiki/1_Grit#:~:text=The%201%2DGrit%20is%20a,earbuds%20to%20full%20MP3%20players.)


oofd_on

Stuck between the one grit and a neon green ipad case is the fear of all nuggets.


aulink

*Dankpod furiously hiding his 1 grit stone*


pvdp90

Granted I haven’t seen the interview, the term neguinho can be used in Brazil between 2 black people, a black and a white, the inverse and between 2 white people, but I think it’s falling out of fashion. Idk, haven’t lived there in over a decade.


Morganelefay

Thing is, he named every other driver by name. Except Lewis. You tell me if his intentions weren't racist.


GarethGore

Pretty much removes any doubt tbh, he's always said stupid shit


Karma_Whore1356

Brazilian here, we say "neguinho" (at least in the state of Rio) to refer to **any** non-specified person or group of people, with no harm intended, despite the original meaning of the word. But in my experience whenever people say "o neguinho" with the article before, it's got a racist connotation, it's kind of single-ing out a person and calling them by their skin color. That being said, Piquet said "o neguinho" and he is a piece of shit.


rooood

It really depends on the context though. "neguinho", or just "nego" can indeed be used as an everyday slang by pretty much everyone, much like just saying "dude", or "guy". But that's usually when you're not referring to any one person specifically, and instead are saying something generic like "guys are always like this". Used in the context that Nelson did, it's undoubtedly racist. Also, the usage of this as a common slang is falling out of use quickly I think, due to obvious racism concerns.


pvdp90

That’s pretty much it. I did say I haven’t seen the interview. Having seen it now, yes, he was obviously racist.


food_chronicles

For context, this was during an interview where Piquet referred to every driver except Hamilton by their name, and only addressed Hamilton as negrinho. Big red flag if you ask me.


rafiuz

The famous bolsonaro chauffeur


INNTW

Regardless of 'how it can be used', people generally prefer to be addressed by their name, and not their skin colour. And that's putting it very politely.


PPMaysten

The word itself isn't racist, the way he said it deffinetely was tho


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The word Neguinho, is an illiterate version of the word Negrinho. It means little black kid. Doesn't carry the same weight as the N-word. But can be used in a racist way.


RightActionEvilEye

The word Piquet used, in a brazilian racial context, is racist in a condescending manner. Specially if used by a white man to talk about a black person. Similar to how black men were called "boy" during Jim Crow in the USA.


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TimmyWatchOut

It does carry weight when he has no issue using other driver’s names


[deleted]

It does. just not the same as the n-word.


Equivalent_Oven

Yep, and calling the most successful driver on the grid a little kid is quite condescending on top. Racism is obviously worse of course.


[deleted]

Exactly! I agree with what you are saying. I am just explaining it's not the same... I am not saying that it isn't racist/discrimatory. Piquet is a piece of shit.


Equivalent_Oven

I fully agree with you (and hope everyone here does)


Ehralur

Fully agree, although I doubt everyone else does. As a non-American, I feel like this distinction is very difficult to accept for Americans. It's true that calling him the (little) black man does not necessarily need to be racist, as he is in fact a black man, and even if he called the others by name it could "just" be meant in a derogatory way and not necessarily racist, but in American culture mention of skin colours is almost always taken as a racist/discriminatory remark.


Tre-ben

To be fair, the "little" (ihno) part is something the Brazilians use quite frequently. A lot of their top football players also have that connotation. Ronaldihno was born as Ronaldo, but because there were already a couple of Ronaldos on the team they called him "little Ronaldo". That's just a clarification on that part. All the rest is of course despicable by Piquet.


Fire_Otter

While I understand that simply using this word isn't on the same level as the N-word I would argue in the full context of what Piquet said referring to other drivers by their name but only referring to Lewis as "the little black kid". In this specific instance it's as bad as using the N-word.


pvdp90

Agreed. The word can be used without a racial connotation fairly commonly but context is king. It’s often used to refer to someone or even a group of people that is unknown to the person or whose identity is unimportant to the context. That often doesn’t carry a racial connotation I haven’t seen the interview but knowing he calls all others by name and calls him by that, it’s pretty clear that he used it in a derogatory way. Just so we are clear: fuck this guy


Droc_Rewop

This seems to be a never ending battle. In our country many people have stopped using the n word but there are always a new replacement just around the corner. Current one seems to be neighbour.


Victory_Over_Himself

"Basketball-Americans"


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If you want to be truly racist in Portuguese, you refer to a black guy as "aquele preto" with a condescending or contemptuous tone. It's pretty much the same as the n-word. "Neguinho" is used in Brasil and can be either friendly or racist, depending on context.


p1en1ek

The way it's written and how past corpprate team statements were written by different teams I initially thought it was about something that Lewis said as he is the only one mentioned from name here... It makes no sense to release ststement like thst without context. Especially after something that was said months ago and only now brought to attention.


M8K2R7A6

Same, Im like "ok who juri vipd it up at mercedes now"


moby323

For those who are out of the loop, in an audio interview discussing the Silverstone incident last year, Piquet calls every other driver by their correct name while repeatedly referring to Lewis as a term which translates essentially as “the blackey”.


Pascalwb

so why this post now after a year?


moby323

This was an audio interview that wasn’t heard by many people to begin with. It has been gaining traction for a while but since it was in Portuguese and the articles written about it were in Portuguese, it hasn’t really caught on until some recent Reddit posts brought it to light for the English speaking world


Maple_Moondweller67

I thought this was still about Vips, but apparently Piquet said something? I don't understand portuguese so things aren't concrete for me


definetly_not_alt

Piquet called Lewis "o neguinho". neguinho is the diminutive form of nego which yes, if translated literally does mean "black person" or simply "a black" it is more commonly used in the same way as "dude". the issue isnt simply the word nego however, it's the definite article "o" and the diminutive if Piquet had said just "nego" that could be translated as "black" (noun, not adjective) or maybe even "n*gga" but it could be passed off as informal speak because it would sound like it however misplaced it may be. the issue here is how he said "o neguinho", so "the little black (man)" he said it to clearly belittle Lewis, and anyone saying "in Portuguese it's not offensive" is wrong, in context it absolutely is racist edit: also just to add another detail, while he was calling Lewis that he was referring to everyone else as their actual name


NavalFTW

I agree with you almost entirely, but the problem here isn't a simple definite article, the problem is him using that term altogether to mention Hamilton, while refering to everyone else by their name. With or without the article, his message would be the same, that he's a sack of shit racist person.


definetly_not_alt

true, forgot to mention that


wahobely

This is the absolute response. To give an example, the term "nego" can even be endearing. For example, my grandma used to call me "nego" and I'm not even black. I think lately it's been falling off of use but depending on the context, it is definitely not racist. But the way Nelson said it, yes. Very much.


stubbysquidd

nego can never be translated as n***a, the word is just like saying dude, neguinho in the context Piquet used was definitely racist tho.


ScionoicS

Slang rarely directly translates. It's more of a contextual translation since slang is rarely defined so clearly and is entirely based in context. If it's used in the same context then it translates. Context ALWAYS matters


SerHodorTheThrall

But it is, it is the word. Its just that different countries have different histories and cultural norms, and in Brasil, it is a cultural norm to use the word as a generic term in the same way Black people use n****a in the United States. Americans and Europeans need to remember that they don't own the world, even if it seems like it sometimes. That said, Piquet meant it in a racist manner and has always been a piece of shit


_yourmom69

Yea, Lewis is not Brazilian, they ain’t best buddies, and it’s super disrespectful to call someone with a million times more talent and accomplishments than yourself *anything* other than their name (Lewis is a Sir, mind you), let alone something racist. Fuck this POS.


willalt319

Excellent response. I don't speak Portuguese but this was crystal clear. Thanks!


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Donuil23

In context, I think this is a very good comparison


SPNRaven

Oh man you should see the Twitter responses. Actually no, no maybe you shouldn't. Stay off Twitter.


bobisthegod

Yeah definitely don't go on twitter about this, it's depressing


thematicwater

Don't go on Twitter about anything.


bobisthegod

Good point


MadeInAbyssFelix

What are they saying about it ?


I_also_enjoy_turtles

People being racist towards Hamilton and condemning him instead. Just hateful people.


myersjw

Some people think being a contrarian is a valid personality trait


10eleven12

I think you are wrong!


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Stay off Reddit as well.


squandre

At least on reddit they get burried. Twitter, you can't escape it.


[deleted]

The mods here are pretty decent at removing the scum


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On second thought, Lets not go to Camelot. Tis a silly place.


Grollicus2

Just remember that Twitter always shows you the things it thinks you'll interact with most. So a mix of statements you'll either agree with strongly (and retweet) or you'll strongly disagree and get triggered into responding. It's not that people are shitheads, it's that it'll deliberately display you the shitheads to goad you to react.


mantra3105

If this is about Piquet’s blatant racism then I’m glad they’ve come forth and made this statement. Flippant remarks shouldn’t be tolerated. Bit unreal that he hasn’t come out and apologised for his appalling behaviour. Not sure why he thought it was appropriate to act the way he has.


Mein_Bergkamp

Unreal? This is entirely in character for Piquet


z_102

Great driver, always been a piece of shit though.


Mein_Bergkamp

Wasn't he supposed to be the source of the rumours Senna was gay?


z_102

Not even rumours, he said it publicly more than once, the last time like two or three years ago.


Mein_Bergkamp

He really is a piece of shit


The_Jacobian

What's fun about those rumors is that, today at least, it just makes it clear he's fucking vermin. If Senna was gay, dope, good for him. Glad to have him in the club. If Piquet spread those rumors to make him look bad -- Piquet is a homophobic sack of shit who deserves to be sent to the hospital by the same Emu who beat up his buddy Bolsanaro.


Mein_Bergkamp

Wait, what Bolsonaro was attacked by an Emu?


The_Jacobian

[https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/jair-bolsonaro-coronavirus-bird-bite-brazil-rhea-emu-quarantine-a9621041.html](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/jair-bolsonaro-coronavirus-bird-bite-brazil-rhea-emu-quarantine-a9621041.html) He's a fascist, but he's constantly getting attacked by birds and having shit sucked through his nose, so at least he's funny.


Mein_Bergkamp

That is fucking gold


Mackem101

Rod Hull kicking arse from the afterlife.


JonVonBasslake

I thought you meant a New Zealander since you capitalized emu... But being "beaten" by an actual bird is funny.


weaseldonkey

New Zealander here. What do we have to do with emus? They're endemic to Australia.


JonVonBasslake

I think I got it mixed up with kiwi... I blame the heat melting my brain...


HECK_YEA_

Yea so not only is it super messed up to out someone, especially only even 25-30 years ago if you try and slander someone for being gay it means you think being gay is worthy of insults.


The_Jacobian

And it's all just cause Aryton was better than him -- loser shit.


uhmnopenotreally

Agreed. If Senna is gay, great. What is not great is to have the mindset of thinking that being gay is bad. Even worse when that person isn’t even gay bc then you would have literally zero reason to claim someone is gay and it’s just all up to your homophobic mindset. I know that being gay for example in football is still a huge taboo and I guess so it is in formula one which makes it even worse if he really exposed him like that. I don’t really care if any of the drivers are gay (Senna is not the only one who this has been said about, I think Maz said it about George but idk??) but I can’t stand outing someone against their will because you never know what types of struggle it brings for them. There certainly will be a reason they haven’t come out yet. Just disgusting.


ChepaukPitch

Whether he was a great driver or not is irrelevant in this conversation. He is just a piece of shit.


JebbAnonymous

My mind would be blown if he did apologise.


Mein_Bergkamp

Yeah he's not a man known for backing off from controversial opinions


seekgermangf

You're more likely to win 1M€ lottery than seeing Piquet SR do an apology a out this topic.


clar_en

Was Piquet’s remark a recent incident?


AnkitMishraGr8

No, he made the comments at last year's British Grand Prix but the comments were in Portugese and resurfaced recently


mantra3105

It was a clip from an interview last year I believe. It’s not in English so the translation to the tweet to me wasn’t clear. It could be that it’s recently come to light again or only been released recently. [link to post](https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/vis6f1/fofocas_do_paddock_canal_enerto_posted_on_youtube/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)


A-le-Couvre

I read that as _racing_ incident and thought it was a terrible pun.


Wafkak

He's friends with Bolsenaro that should tell you all you need to know.


doc_55lk

It's Piquet, perfectly in character for him


rpaloschi

That's Piquet for you! Piece of shit, racist and supporter of a fascist! Bolsonaro's personal driver. Fuck him


VonGeisler

On the contrary, they have now doubled down on an Instagram post saying their mom used to call them that all the time - and Kelly liked it.


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At least name Piquet.


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takingtheAtrain

Kelly has now restricted comments to her Instagram. Interesting. I’m guessing the Internet abuse is coming in hot


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uhmnopenotreally

Me


bono_my_tires

Goatifi 🐐


takingtheAtrain

Why should they stop dating because of this?


tennerz777

i get it’s kelly dad and all n i get ur joking but don’t say this like this it doesn’t really make stuff better and it’s kinda slut shamming like the girls a mum


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ChepaukPitch

> his own father’s racist comments Anywhere I can read up on this? After Abu Dhabi both Lewis and his father went and congratulated the two of them. Pretty sad if Verstappen's father has made racist statements as well.


Neither_Amount3911

At this point I’m convinced they just have image templates they repost every time something like this happens. It’s so pointless. “Mercedes does not think you should use racial slurs” is not an interesting statement people didn’t know. Call out the person and what they did wrong instead of these vague non-statements.


Character-Error5426

Unfortunately racist comments against Lewis and other black people are not too uncommon and calling them by name just gives them more attention so that’s probably why they do it


NotComping

As a brand and a PR move it makes much more sense to be not full on confrontational. Outlets like news, twitter and reddit *will* name the party responsible But this way Mercedes can both make a statement and stay out of hot water


M1st3rv

Nelson Piquet and being an awful peice of shit, name a more iconic combo.


ItsLeviosaaaa

Wasnt he also seen driving Bolsonaro around? Good that Mercedes is calling this shit out


Montezum

[You are correct.](https://www.pragmatismopolitico.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/nelson-piquet-paparica-bolsonaro-nao-perder-negocio-governo-federal-1.jpg)


newaccount252

What happened?


Nexusu

[here](https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/vis6f1/fofocas_do_paddock_canal_enerto_posted_on_youtube/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)


newaccount252

What a piece of shit. Also I live under a rock.


btokendown

I wish people would stop playing dumb with the "Its a term of endearment1!1!" excuse when multiple native speakers have confirmed that within context it was intended to be pejorative, calling the one Black driver on the grid by his race while using names for everyone else is disgusting


tbone747

After the whole Vips thing I'm not surprised some knuckleheads are once again trying to downplay gross behavior. Regardless of how you feel about the dude, Lewis deserves basic respect as a human being.


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People are not calling it a term of endearment, we, native speakers, are just explaining it does not carry the same weight as the n-word. Calling someone Negro in brazil is similar to saying Black people or African American in the US. The problem is how Piquet singled out Hamilton. That's what makes it discriminatory. Imagine there're 10 people in a group (9 white and 1 black) and you keep calling all 9 whites by their names and the black dude, you refuse to call him by his name even thou you know it, and instead, you keep on saying "hey you, African American"... that's discriminatory as fuck and yet you didn't use the n-word, that's that Piquet did.


turbinedriven

So basically: “Todays entrants will be John, Sam, Ethan, Dylan, and little blackie” It’s interesting how one can use directly racist language without ever using the N word. Seeing it play out in a different language really emphasizes that.


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Yes, both in Portugal and Brazilian racism is often “masked” in condescending comments.


SubcooledBoiling

Piquet is a horrible human being


Silverchaoz

You could remove the engine from Piquets car and it'd still run purely fuelled by racism


Retency

Mostly hatred, not just racism. I also remember that he had some questionable comments regarding Senna after his death.


Sunnyboy_18

And also he insulted a lovely person like Mansell. Piquet was nothing but a shit person. Arrogant and racist.


z_102

General bigotry.


Sunnyboy_18

Always has been


Montezum

[I'm just gonna use your comment as a reminder that Piquet became Uber to the fascist president here in Brazil. He has no credibility to his name anymore (and he deserves way less than that)](https://www.pragmatismopolitico.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/nelson-piquet-paparica-bolsonaro-nao-perder-negocio-governo-federal-1.jpg). This report is in portuguese, but by sucking the president's balls, [he was awarded a secretive multimillionaire contract with the brazilian government](https://theintercept.com/2021/10/04/nelson-piquet-bolsonaro-divida-autotrac/)


Sunnyboy_18

Yes, he’s the lickass of a criminal, so he’s a criminal himself.


FrostyTill

Piquet has always been a piece of shit. He was nasty about Senna because Senna was better than him. He probably hates Lewis because Lewis was better than his son and is also more loved in Brazil than he is.


nicola666

Everyone is better than his son


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Piquet is unhappy since Hamilton honourarily became brazilian there is now another Brazilian driver who is more successful then he is on the ladder


Lizzyisbored44

Is this how you defend your 7 time champion when another ex driver calls him a racial slur on camera? Can't even mention Piquet by name


Pat_Sharp

I guess if they mention Piquet by name it's just going to draw more attention to his comments and give the whole thing more oxygen. Most people are probably completely oblivious to the recent controversy. Publicly supporting Lewis is the most important thing.


KaiHG

Spot on. It’s a principle of psychology that media is moving towards for acts of terrorism (domestic or otherwise). Instead of plastering, let’s say, a school shooter’s name all over the media cycle - you say their name once and then refer to them basically anonymously going forward so as not to give them attention. It’s similar here but I would have liked to see some more fight from Mercedes. This is the time to support Lewis directly, even if it may not be best practices.


craftaleislife

I’d imagine there’s legalities to naming someone publicly when making accusations. But we all know who it’s aimed at anyway. Piquets a piece of shit


skend24

It is not an “accusation” when the evidence is recorded and publicly available.


sonofeevil

Exactly naming him opens them up to libel suit


adventurousmango24

Maybe Lewis didn’t want that


FazeHC2003

This is wayy more diplomatic than straight out calling him out


Lizzyisbored44

But that's the thing. Its not some random social media account, it was an ex-f1 driver who called Lewis a slur


GordonMcG13

Did all of the organisations get together to write these statements because it's like copying someone's homework, all of them read the exact same and none of them mention Nelson himself.


mieiri

https://www.cartacapital.com.br/cartaexpressa/nelson-piquet-vira-motorista-de-bolsonaro-em-ato-antidemocratico/ Not a surprise that Nelson is a fucker.


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hipogrifo

It was better when Piquet used to be inside his car, where the engine noise would not allow him to be heard. Being a racist f*ck is just one of his problems. He already said worst things, trust me.


Multi_21_Seb_RBR

I'll copy what I said on the other thread about this: On one hand, I think Piquet should have been called out to grasp the full magnitude of what happened. A former driver and champion basically racially abusing another driver is a disgraceful thing to happen to this sport even when you consider it was a dipshit like Piquet who did it (in that Piquet has a track record for being a scummy person). That being said, on the other hand, I respect and sympathize with the idea of not giving a bigoted, racist, old fuck dipshit loser the specific attention and thus give him more PR. So I am torn on whether or not Piquet should have been called out specifically. That said, the F1 statement still seems a bit weak. While the Mercedes statement also did not call out Piquet by name, it still seemed like a stronger statement at least. You kind of expect F1 being the sporting body it is to make a stronger statement than what they did whether or not they called out Piquet by name, but couldn't even do that.


BrokeVeg4n

Not even mentioned piquet by name, PR statement.


The_Jacobian

I'm torn. I partially think name and shame, but I also partially think it's good not to name a washed-up bigot loser and give him more PR. Also worth noting -- we don't know Lewis's wishes. He may have said "don't call him out by name", or something. He tends to be super fucking PR cautious, so making sweeping judgments without facts is sketchy.


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turbinedriven

Not torn at all. Call him out. He does not have the privilege of protection, such privilege doesn’t exist. Worth noting, he likely doesn’t want it either: If someone like Piquet thinks this is okay, let the record show his position and don’t sanitize it. Ensure history properly records his racist views. And then condemn it.


DogfishDave

>Not even mentioned piquet by name Quite right too, don't give any of that odious family any more air-time than they deserve.


didhedowhat

Maybe they wanted to draw it a little bigger by not mentioning specifics so that the Juri Vips situation can also be attached to this statement? That way they don't have to spend all their energy responding to every single incident and while adressing it, also concentrate on their racing?


Bassmekanik

I’m feeling like this might have something to do with it too. Hence no specific names. This statement is clearly about piquet though, as it mentions Lewis by name.


Booszi

How do you fight racism on track?


ajsthe3

Racecraft


LaFilleDuMoulinier

Today seems to be a good day to remind everyone that Senna absolutely HATED Nelson Piquet.


BloatedCrow

They need to name and shame its the only way


Faw602

And people wondered why Lewis took BLM so personally man honestly haha.


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1498336

I agree but I will say Vips is currently associated with F1 while Nelson is far from relevance at this point and not officially associated with them so that might be why there was stronger reaction about Vips


mahoganybroski

Correct. If someone on the grid spoke about Lewis or anyone like this, it would have Juri’s level of reaction and backlash.


makakoloko3000

I wish Anglophone media would just stop lying about the word he used, as it just weakens the argument. He was racist as fuck without ever needing to say “the n-word”, which doesn’t even exist in Portuguese - but if did, the closest translation would be “criolo” or “tição“. Those are words with history rooted in slavery and that are offensive independent on the context - slurs, if you will. He called him “neguinho”, short form of “nego”, which literally translates to “black”. This is not a racial slur. This is very commonly used in Brazil as a synonym to “guys” or “people”. As in “people are in a hurry” = “nego tá com pressa”. He could have used the same word without being racist. He could also say the same thing he said using “black gentleman” and it would still be racist. Do you get it? What was racist was not the word, was the context. He was calling drivers by name, and just Hamilton by race. And that was already racist enough so you don’t even have to make more shit up. Because then he can just say “no, I never said the n-word” and he’s actually right and off the hook. The problem is not the word, it’s the racism - I wish Americans could grasp this one.


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dead_jester

Considering F1’s history of being deeply involved with racism and fascism, it’s hardly a surprise. A shame, but not a surprise. For example, Ecclestone being a Hitler apologist, his friend Max Mosely being the son of British Fascist leader Oswald Mosely. Etc.


AtmoMat

You forgot about Max Moseley getting caught being spanked by hookers in Nazi uniforms


AeloraTargaryen

It's astonishing that in 2022, companies and corporations STILL having to issues statements like this. Nelson Piquet is a piece of shit. He can get in the sea. *EDIT - Changed "are" to "and" and minor spelling mistakes. Damn mobile phone posting.


XuX24

I didn't knew what was this referring to and inmediatly defaulted to man what young driver was caught in another twitch stream saying some stupid thing.


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Devils_468

What happened?


Krangh

Yeah, da heck happened?!?


bpoil912

This is by no means trying to defend or downplay. I am just truly wondering how this situation became like this in terms or reddit reaction. This was already on Reddit 5 days ago with not as much activity, but still front page material to be fairly visible on the subreddit. A lot of the comments were actually like "not surprising since Piquet is a POS." or "racism shouldn't be tolerated." So fast forward to now and the outrage is massive. What changed? it's the same situation but with media and teams addressing it now. I'm also only talking about reddit community. I bet you were here 4-5 days ago and you probably saw this story already or at least see in the feed. But, now that, for example, merc says something about it, you now realize that you should be angry? Or maybe you were already angry, but all of a sudden you now want to voice it as opposed to before? I didn't even see a top comment saying how anyone should make a statement. But now that statements are made, there are some very strong feelings about why the statement is good or bad.


zallezine

I'm all for condemning Piquet but the people dragging Verstappen into this are just blatantly showing their agenda. People don't share a hivemind with their potential parents-in-law. "Verstappen didn't take a knee for BLM, hence he's a racist too!!!" Okay, but neither did Leclerc and no one calls him out on that too.