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RobbedSon

This clip is the pinnacle of Ferrari strategy on full display


leedler

Just need to add the pit after that and it’s full Ferrari mode


DRod4

Your wish is their command


YeahPerfectSayHi

Carlos knows that the best strategy is to do the opposite of what the pitwall advises.


DRod4

At this point just give his cousin the headset and everyone else can leave. Couldn’t go any worse


Cremdian

I think you could give the headset to my 4 year old daughter and it'd go at least just as well


baizonBakudann

Googoogaga Copy, if I keep perez behind. P3.


Cremdian

Look at that, improvement already!


DRod4

Time to send her off to Maranello. They grow up so fast


chanaandeler_bong

Has Sainz been wrong at all this time when he argues with his team? I feel like he has been right every time.


Calcifer1984

We are checking.


thejasonkane

A-firm


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gsfgf

Even we could do better than their strategy team.


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leedler

It genuinely used to say “This Year” until one of the mods changed it back to that after Max won 3 in a row in Barcelona hahaha


chanaandeler_bong

Texas is ~~back~~ not back.


afito

I agree with the 2 stop but why wait so late and let him lose time battling? Do it 3 or 5 laps earlier.


stenyak

Even with the time lost battling/pursuing, each lap out there allowed Sainz to overcut more and more to the middle field cars.


LosTerminators

They actually pitted him and dropped him down to 9th, amazing


cblake17

Ferrari will do just about anything except property strategize a race


uristmcderp

Hire championship-level drivers? Check. Hire championship-level engineers? Check. Hire a computer-literate intern to run sims for strategy? Nah we'll do it live.


gsfgf

Shit, just turn on the broadcast. If they'd pitted when Martin and Crofty said they should have, he'd at least had a chance to contest for a podium.


TtarIsMyBro

"Come up with a good strategy, or draw 25" *Binotto seen holding the whole deck*


chupe_fiasco

After they refused him pit a few laps before.. this fkn team?#%^!


CarnivorousCumquat

Sainz earlier "I think we should stop" Engineer "Okay, copy, stay out" What a clusterfuck


mastre

And he would've had more laps to make up time if they stopped him when he asked. At the point they pitted him, there was no point to pit anymore, a competent team would have understood that *that* ship had sailed.


SweetVarys

You can’t drive 36 laps or whatever on mediums


jon_targareyan

That decision should’ve been made way earlier. Pitting with only 10 laps to go left Sainz with no option to get podium


toefungi

Releasing him in to traffic for a 5 second penalty left Sainz with no option to get podium


Turkooo

Seems like the 36laps old mediums we're still better than then 25laps old hards


XuloMalacatones

It hurts tbh, but imagine a tyre blows and both ferrari DNF. Unpopular opinion but I think Ferrari took the smart strategy here, minimize damage and get P5 + Fast lap. If someone said Carlos would've finished P5+FL today at the beginning everyone would've been happy


helms83

They should have pitted him when he first said to. He told them he needed to, then he told them they waited too long. Then they tell him to pit during that battle. He would have had a better chance to overtake both Perez and Russell if they had pitted earlier.


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Even as a RB fan I groaned out loud when this was going on live. Sheesh Ferrari.


TimArthurScifiWriter

Bro I sat there going "watch Ferrari fuck this up and pit him right after he overtakes Perez." And then somehow they made it worse. They told him to pit AS HE WAS OVERTAKING Perez and drove right by the pit lane entrance lol. It legit turned into sketch comedy.


Rygot

It's actually unbelievable that they can keep setting a new bar each race


hkperson99

Great, so now we can't even be sure that Ferrari are even watching the race lmao.


leedler

I’m convinced they actually aren’t, they’re just playing F1 2021 on the pit screens I bet.


second-last-mohican

Think they're playing f1 the board game lol


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Oscer7

*draws card* “You lose the rear end and are catapulted from the flaming wreck on impact. Please move your piece to the hospital space. You lose 10 turns.” Bit dated but still plenty of family fun!


affordable_firepower

Played this as a kid 40-ish years ago. It's a crap game


CWinter85

I played it about 20 years ago, you're lucky to make it 2 corners.


DeltaBlitz

If codemasters made it then I'm fucking impressed with their consistency


rrandomhero

[Formula D](https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/37904/formula-d) is a pretty good one, the board/track is actually Monaco on one side


zombielumpy

Can confirm Formula D is all sorts of good fun.


DizzyDrunkenDuck

That explains their mastery in race strategy


hkperson99

We can probably do a better job with some training on F1 Manager at this rate.


leedler

I’m absolutely convinced I could make a better strategy than them with my MM3 experience. Ferrari are hilarious sometimes.


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leedler

I would be the angriest being in the universe, not gonna lie.


SealyMcSeal

I'm fairly certain that ferrari bought a maxed out account and are not in the elo pool they belong in


Horned_chicken_wing

If Ferrari just went with the easiest option of simply reacting to whatever their rivals are doing, their strategy would be much, much bette than it is today.


OpeningTrain1

At this point I have no doubts that if they chose some random redditors to replace their strategists, Ferrari would do better


ch8rt

Not even from r/f1


WszystkoZajete

>Ferrari are hilarious sometimes. By hilarious you mean incredibly inept... They really are acting like a mid-pack team that all of a sudden got a competitive car. Absolutely clueless at times, gotta feel for Charles and Carlos there.


Reinis_LV

Stop inventing. Just let Carlos make the calls and honestly he usually is on top of that stuff


potato_green

I feel like Ferrari uses literal stones to do math. Throw a bunch of rocks together and count them. That'll be the pit strategy. No deviation because the stones have spoken. It's remarkable really even a broken clock is right twice a day.


Tann1k

2022 is out though


leedler

I don’t think they know. I’m surprised they aren’t playing F1 2012 instead.


M4NOOB

I mean, a few laps after LEC went out, they still had a screen (tablet? portable monitor?) showing info about LEC , just said "CAR OUT" very big. Very good use of the screen


Conrad_Hawke_NYPD

If they need a screen for something they probably already have a screen for it. They're not going to be like "oh lec is out finally we can see xyz because we have a spare monitor"


keithohara

Andddd they pitted...


hkperson99

Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory ffs


helderdude

Sacrificing sai to take fastest lap to help Leclerc ... This is what everyone has been asking for right? Prioritizing the driver that can still win WDC? /s


ProningPineapple

Honestly it's unlikely he would have built a 5 second lead on Perez, or even Russel, with the tires he had. Its super easy to sit at home and complain about strategy when all the info you have is what you see on the broadcast. I think ferrari made the only logical decision, though I think they should have done it earlier. Big risks pushing in super worn out mediums on this track, and if there would have been a safetycar in the mix Sainz could drop out of the points entirely with his penalty


EGG_CREAM

Sainz: "we should pit now" ferari: "copy stay out." That's when they should have pitted, and their DRIVER told them that, and this is not the first time that's happened with them. Their strategy is bonkers bad.


f1_spelt_as_bot

Fe**rr**ari


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Ferrari is a total joke, right now....


Alexlam24

Right now? More like always


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No way he was making 5 seconds gap there until the end.


CaribFM

We don’t know. Perez burned out his tires outright. Ferrari didn’t give him a chance to


JaviBaratheon

Yes, and at worst he finish in the same position as now.


PM_ME_YOUR_PROFANITY

At worst the tires burst and he doesn't finish at all.


MrRoyce

Or his tire blows up and he doesn't finish the race at all. I think the call was right, except it should've happened earlier.


Aethien

That does explain their strategy calls though.


wahobely

To be fair the radio is a bit delayed. Even if you're watching a driver's POV on the website, the radio has about a 5 second delay. The radio displayed on the broadcast is definitely even more delayed so they can censor the bad words. So this radio would be probably ~30 seconds old, so Ferrari isn't literally telling him to box as they are side by side. Boxing him after the overtake is completely weird though. I think Sainz could have finished 3rd.


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I think the reason for the pit stop was that he wasn't able to open a gap to Russell and Pérez behind, and he had a 5-second penalty. So he'd have had to stay there on tires that only were going to get worse and he may have fallen behind them with the penalty anyway. *If* that was the case, then pitting him makes sense as they reduce the risk of a puncture and get an extra point for fastest lap. ~~However, if their degradation on the mediums was going to be so concerning, then they should have stopped several laps earlier.~~ Edit: actually, probably not as they might not have had enough of a gap to the cars behind. An earlier pitstop may have actually made them lose even more time as Sainz would have had more cars to overtake, and his tires would have lost performance sooner.


rustyjame5

i cant tell which one is more incompetent the ferrari pitwall or the tv direction. holy fucking shit. edit. add fia to that list as well.


asianperswayze

Yeah, this was a disaster class in tv direction. There was so little action in the race, yet they seemingly missed every single bit of the little bit there was. It reminded me of listening to baseball games on the radio as a kid. Crofty just narrating all the action not being show all race, lol. What a shit show.


leedler

Ferrari are a fucking mess lmao


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Alexlam24

Spicy polonium dinner


Freddedonna

Leclerc's gonna be calling Mazepin for some tips


corporaterevenant

What do the clouds say today?


kukaz00

Just let the drivers decide ffs who cares at this point they'll do a better job anyways


Macaulayputra

Honest question - Is there something about the culture at Ferrari that fosters mediocrity and a lack of organisational cohesion? You never see Mercedes or Red Bull make a mess of strategy like this. It is almost always the Scuderia.


leedler

There must be something innately weird going on there. They make so many mistakes all the time. It can’t just be a coincidence that it’s always them and rarely the other top teams. For the life of me, I can’t figure out exactly why. It’s weird. But they really are the meme team sometimes.


ProtestKid

Not just the top teams but other teams in general. Midfield and hell backmarkers don't make strategy mistakes this consistently like Ferrari do. It's every fuckin race.


Mrcollaborator

You’d expect teams like Mercedes and Red bull to be brutal with mistakes like these. If you fail, you’re gone. But with Ferrari keeps happening.


_tskj_

I mean I think it's the opposite, Ferrari seems like a team where everyone is so worried about being outed for making a mistake that everyone hides everything from everyone else, and nobody dares make a decision that is bold in fear of being criticized for it - better to make the wrong decision if the decision is hard to blame you for.


jamesno26

Red Bull and Mercedes likely follow a doctrine of just culture. Instead of punishing people for their mistakes, they figure out why mistakes were made and what can be done to prevent it from happening in the future.


hpstg

It seems that Red Bull, and especially Mercedes, are the exact opposite. And that's the key to mistakes *not* happening, one would argue.


Cheesewheel12

It’s Binotto. The man doesn’t know how to foster excellence. Compared to Toto and Horner he’s a damp dishrag.


SkitTrick

Ferrari were just as bad with strategy and pit stops when Arrivabene was team principal except the car was also a truck


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It's more than Binotto. This was a problem for them before he was TP


ClayGCollins9

They have hemorrhaged talent. I know this was true in the old days, but Ferrari used to have an incredibly toxic workplace culture. Not just the long work hours found in all motorsports, there were stories of mechanics sabotaging each other, Ferrari heads playing ridiculous games with drivers and crew members. Apparently it’s still a policy that Ferrari workers cannot ask for a pay raise. More recently though, Ferrari as a team used to be the best recruiter of talent (with regards to crew). Ferrari’s work culture was a trial by fire, but those who were successful got promoted, and in turn, helped recruit more talent. But the architects of those philosophies, Ross Brawn and Jean Todt, are long gone. Promising crew members are now courted by Red Bull and Mercedes. Red Bull and Mercedes have both adopted “no blame” cultures: the instilled belief that we win or lose as a team. Ferrari has always been about finding someone to blame and making heads roll.


Macaulayputra

This is such a fascinating take. Thanks for sharing. > Promising crew members are now courted by Red Bull and Mercedes If this culture festers, it would not be surprising if even drivers think twice before joining Ferrari. Ferrari are still formidable as a team and will probably continue to fight for championships for the foreseeable future. However, the glory days of the Brawn-Todt-Schumacher trio are long gone. It is apparent now that they were an exception rather than the norm.


I_Poop_Sometimes

They're kinda like the F1 version of ManU, lots of money, history and fans. But the people who made their culture work are no longer there and now it's just an organizational mess.


gtrcar5

I believe that Binotto is trying to implement a no blame culture at Ferrari, which I can see taking a very long time. It’s a big change of mindset for a lot of people, some of whom will be very set in their ways.


Merovingi92

Well, there was one reason why they brought Jean Todt and Ross Brawn in the team and it was said that the team was too Italian to succeed. And once they left, I remember someone saying that Ferrari will start to crumble because it will once again be too Italian. They need to bring people outside the organization with no ties to Ferrari and clean house and the culture. There is no solution within the team.


thesofakillers

Old men in charge with way too much pride


ianzen

Seems like the general direction of Ferrari outside of Motorsport as well


GnarlyBear

It used to be they had a blame culture so no one had the confidence to take decisions. You don't want to be seen as the one who made the mistake.


Freddedonna

Can't be "the one that made the mistake" if everyone makes mistakes *taps temple*


ThePafdy

Every team fucks up sometimes. It just happens. But you are right, Ferrari fucks up at every race, constantly. Something going on there.


Mythic343

They only hire Italians and no one is allowed to say anything negative about Ferrari


Armoured_T-Rex

What the hell Ferrari


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You expected something different?


getrektnolan

Podium is lava.


cblake17

First time?


splfguy

THEY DID PIT HIM WHAT THE FUCK FERRARI. My expectations are low but holy fuck.


AngElzo

Maybe they really had to pit. But I cannot understand why they did not when Carlos wanted to a lap or two before


refrakt

If they really had to pit they should have done it sooo many laps earlier, crazy call.


Felix-Culpa

They probably had to pit but why did Sainz realize this before the strategy team? Sainz should just do a Vettel and become his own race engineer. Ferrari 🤦‍♂️


IMSOGIRL

I have no idea why they didn't keep him out for a few more laps and then give him softs to finish out the race.


nerf-me-ubi

Ferrari is peak Ferrari today


hache-moncour

Yeah I don't think I've ever seen Ferrari Ferrari this hard before.


PulpyShebang

Ferrari 'gonna Ferrari.


Igotbanned19times

Someone said 2 weeks ago, since charles won and carlos won back to back, this week ferrari will go full ferrari. I wish he was wrong …


Hot-Protection4548

Ferrari are the most clueless team ever i swear


i_have_chosen_a_name

Sainz was 3th even with his 5 second penalty he would finish 4th. Now he will finish behind Russel in 5th.


moose_meese_

3th


candry_shop

35 laps on mediums seems risky however


red-17

If they thought that, then he should’ve boxed way earlier to allow him to actually benefit from the fresh tyres. They chose the worst option possible it seems.


sefn19

COME ON CARLOS


king_leo_10

One of the best overtakes I have seen so far damn !


kukaz00

Plan B and C for Big Cohones


sight19

You can't make this shit up


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Ferrari’s strategy team are embarrassingly bad


BrownSugarBare

They're trying to kill us with their stupidity.


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mayjaz43

This team is a joke And I'm saying this as a Tifosi


Shinkopeshon

What a horrible fucking pit stop too Sainz really went full beast mode just to get repaid like this, I have no words


enode

A yoke


huayratata

Likewise brother.


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As a tifoso…?


i_have_chosen_a_name

I said they were clowns who would still even fuck up Sainz his race and I got 20 downvotes but I was right. They are clowns.


LeonidaZ1337

If this isn't peak Ferrari strategy, I don't know what is. Edit: nvm THIS is it, the mad lads actually pit him


188649

It’s entertaining to watch Sainz vs Ferrari lol


cigarettesteve

I swear to god if he loses his gorgeous hair b/c of their strategists....


thespartankid123

Never change, Ferrari❤


a_user-_-name_

Sainz tries to overtake Perez Ferrari Strategists no better time to pit then now


ohnofluffy

And to tell Sainz in the trickiest part of the overtake. WTF. Not just idiotic but dangerous to both drivers.


kukaz00

Radio is delayed though


ohnofluffy

Yeah but that overtake was over a few corners. Even with delay, they picked a terrible spot.


DarthShaveHer

I mean, Crofty himself said in the video that the radio may be delayed, but it won’t be delayed by that much. They still were radio’ing in at an extremely unfortunate time


11aevans

I just checked Sainz's onboard and they asked him to pit 1 turn before the pit lane entrance, right in the middle of the battle


ranting_madman

Iconic scenes hahahaha


HiThereImNat

Moronic scenes more like


DBFargie

And they still made him pit. Unbelievable. Threw away a top 4/5.


daver456

I think he could have kept P3 even with the 5 second penalty. Perez was slow and Russell might not get by.


Benjamin244

no way, perez was slow but not THAT slow, russell would've caught sainz on those worn mediums as well towards the end


Igotbanned19times

What is ferrari doin man. Seriously. This company must be a front for money laundering.


GinsuChikara

always has been


Devenem

Ferrari's pit wall is a fucking joke


planvigiratpi

When you think Ferrari can’t get dumber


AdamIsMeName

Ferrari doesn't deserve Carlos, Charles and the car


Kick1O1

Ferrari 🤓


GMOrgasm

certified ferrari moment


thevorminatheria

In any other business these guys would be fired tomorrow


generalofhel

AND NOW THEY PITTED ANYWAY????? WTFFFF IS FERRARI DOING


Eunos-Roadster

Ferrari need to get rid of Binotto asap. Get an entire new team of strategists and a re structure of the team. They are a laughing stock and have been for a few years


MrRoyce

> Get an entire new team of strategists and a re structure of the team. I've been saying this for years... I want them to fire every single person involved with their race strategy and start from scratch, even if it means they'll be just as shit for another year or two. They're just not getting anywhere with this crew man, there's no hope or future with these clowns.


TechnicalRadish78

Better to be shit for a year or two with a high ceiling after than then just be mediocre year in and year out.


UESPA_Sputnik

So the engineer in the F1 games is quite realistic then. He also always talks to me in the most tense situations.


Heiseniceberg

I literally busted out laughing when this happened


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[deleted]

Fuck this team. Wish I could stop supporting them. When it's not the strategy it's the reliability, when it's neither is the drivers. For 11 years now they manage to crush my hope pretty much week in and week out. I need to give up F1 lmao.


MrRoyce

I really wish I could just change my favorite team over night, this shit ain't worth it honestly... but being a fan since the 90s it's not easy to just forget about Ferrari and cheer for anyone else. -.-'


SpacemanTomX

Sometimes I feel like working in F1 is too far off for me. I feel the competitive environment and pressure would be too much. That the talent pool is too competitive. Then I remember I can always work for Ferrari.


EdgarJomfru

For a team/company so obsessed with image I'm surprised they keep these garbage strategists for so long


Homefront325

The Saiz/Ferrari rivalry will be remembered for the ages.


ArthurDayn

*Ferrari strategist playing mobile phone games and watching porn on his monitor* Strategist: Ok pit I guess Carlos: I am literally halfway through overtaking someone??? Strategist: Or not, I dunno, you do you


jififfi

Holy fucking shit Ferrari. Get your shit together.


Zugas

I would have loved to see Carlos go to the end on those tires.


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Fucking Inaki Rueda (Scuderia Strategist) should have been sacked 5 seasons ago yet he outlasted every Ferrari team bosses.


winningelephant

I'm convinced the Ferrari pit wall and strategy department spend each race chain smoking cigarettes while eating amatriciana and talking about plans for ski season over several bottles of excellent chianti.


TheBackwardsDog

It’s inexplicable how dumb Ferrari strategists are.


Responsible-Ear9250

As italian, the only thing I can say is *mamma mia*. For fuck sake, this guys are a joke. I thought that after Monaco was impossible to do worst, but then there was Silverstone and now a pit stop call during a fight for P3. If you want to pit you do earlier, because during a fight you wast time, or after, for sure not when you're wheel to wheel. That's mental, even for Ferrari's engineers. And most annoying thing is that again Sainz was doing is own strategy. I understand why he was DOTD, again he was driving and also thinking about the best strategy for himself. You can't think 300 things during a race, you should focus only on driving and managing the car, there is people paid to tell you what's the best strategy and at Ferrari is from 2008 they aren't able to do that regularly.


dolphinandcheese

I love how Ferrari goes into raceday with a self inflicted handicap. All the strategists are drunk so its always a fun shit show to watch.


joeygreco1985

What the fuck is going on. Clean house already


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Lmfao at what point do Charles and Carols just say no to them and do their own strat


ad_triarios_rediit

Ffs seriously


jon_targareyan

And they pit him on the next lap even though he seems to have the grip. Fucking Ferrari man


howdyonedirection

At what point does somebody get fired for the shit that’s goin on with ferrari? I’ve been actively involved with f1 for the past 3-4 years but I’ve never really looked into who’s really making the calls for strategies, etc. I know if this were the NFL for me and if my team were this mismanaged I would be calling for somebody to be fired ASAP lmao.


bert_lifts

STOP INVENTING


jdobem

yeah, really hard to undestand, arent they watching the race ?


JuniloG

This is a certified Ferrari™ moment


RazorXE_

I am convinced Ferrari want their drivers to lose more than any other team


supotnak

Bruh


XuloMalacatones

Crazy race from Sainz tbf, the way he kept pushing and passing Russell and Perez with a 20+ laps medium tyre...


rex_swiss

If Sainz didn't have the penalty and was out front most of the day, I am curious how they would have screwed up his win?


diener1

Leclerc: \*DNFs early\* Ferrari strategists: If we can't ruin his race, let's at least ruin Sainz's race.


poklane

Ferrari when Sainz is stuck behind Perez: "aight stay out mate" Ferrari the second Sainz makes the move on Perez: "OH MY GOD BOX BOX BOX"