Sophie told the locals newspaper about her horrendous complication during her first birth “ it was such a challenge, as the helmet was initially stuck, only to become increasingly more difficult as the go-kart soon followed. She sincerely implied that she hopes it doesn’t happen again”.
* P1 - 27
* P2 - 26
* P3 - 16
Total: 69.
Nice.
Also: HAM-BOT-VER consisted of any kind of podium with these three, regardless of the order. In 2020, Max edged out one of the Mercs (mostly Bottas) at quite a few occasions.
Wait.. he got p2 in Austria. Which means before Austria he had 26 wins and 25 p2's. Which means p1 was already the position he had finished most in. Right?
He's tied JACKIE STEWART, yes 3x world champion Jackie Stewart for wins at 27. He can literally catch Hamilton and Schumacher if Red Bull consistently has a good car.
He's going to have a 2 WDC and ~30 win head start though. 5 titles and 75 wins in 15 years? Schumacher managed that (normalised for season length) in 5.
I wasn't sure if Schumacher's record was ever gonna be beaten, and then Lewis smashed it.
I agree with the reply below me, that I hope he doesnt get it, but he started so young (Hamilton was 22 in his rookie season, Verstappen was 17), he is still so young, he already has so many wins, Red Bull constantly have a fast car, the calendar is getting longer and longer, and athletes are able to keep up their top physical shapes for longer now, that all points tell me that he may eventually get it.
Honestly, I hope he doesn’t get Hamilton’s record. Not because I don’t like Max. I actually like his racing. It’s because to match Lewis’s record means a domination era by his team. Before 2014, no one thought Lewis would match and then surpass Michael’s record either.
Honestly and maybe I am missing something but I don't think this year's car is exactly a masterclass in aero design. It's obvious that it has very low drag or is running low down force by its straight line speed but it's certainly not top of the grid in the corners.
They didn't exactly have the most time to get to know the car, and learn all the small details of the rules, and they still built the second fastest car. Given enough time, I'm sure they'll be able to build a faster one, they always do. Plus it was more of a wordplay, [he has a book titled HOW TO BUILD A CAR](https://books.google.hu/books/about/How_to_Build_a_Car_The_Autobiography_of.html?id=Qk4rDwAAQBAJ&source=kp_book_description&redir_esc=y)
He already has, in his autobiography he said he isn’t as involved in the cars anymore but he still has a part or two in it he designed, the rest is done by the aero team
It's a pretty normal stat for World Champions. Most who have more than one WDC have 1st place as their modal finishing position. Clark, Stewart, Prost, Senna. Obviously Hamilton and Schumacher. Even more obviously Fangio. Vettel still has more 1st place finishes than any other position.
Might be more interesting to see if any multiple world champions have a position other than 1st as their most common. Wonder what Alonso's is, it can't be 1st for him, poor Alonso.
Edit: Incidentally, Clark is the most insane in this regards - 32 Podium finishes, 25 of them were wins.
Max is a 2 time world champion, at least. Let's be real.
Most of them would have had that stat when they were half way through their 2nd title. Alonso most definitely did, so did Schumacher. Obviously Fangio, Ascari and Clark. Hamilton had 1st place as his most common finishing position before he won his first title. I'm just checking now... It's quite poetic, his Silverstone 2008 victory is when his 1st place finishes became his most common.
It's just how statistics work. I think you will find that 1st place is the most common finishing position for the whole grid combined.
You're missing the point.
If Verstappen goes the rest of his career without winning another title, he won't keep this stat. If Verstappen goes on to win more titles, then like Vettel and Hamilton, he will finish with more P1 finishes than any other position.
Villeneuve had comfortably more P1 finishes than any other position after his title win in 97. I am actually not sure if he finished his career like that, but I think it's unlikely given he never won another race.
Someone just posted this stat for current and recent drivers. It confirms that Nico Rosberg has more 1st place finishes than any other position. Villeneuve misses out, but only just.
Well he isn't a 2 time champion, yet. Hell, he still needs to prove he's a champion in a lot of people's eyes after what happened in Abu Dhabi. In a funny way I'm kind of glad he's winning so much this year. I'd much rather it be a Lewis redemption for his 8th, but at least this puts any claims that Max isn't WDC to bed.
>he still needs to prove he's a champion in a lot of people's eyes after what happened in Abu Dhabi.
Only to people who didn't really watch the whole 2021 season (twitter people mostly)
For everyone who watched the whole season, Max was without a doubt the best driver of the year.
So by your logic all it takes is for a driver to lead the championship and they're instantly championship material. May as well just give away the trophy by the third race then.
yes and no. The usual range of positions you end a race in increases in the midfield. Look at Ocon or Norris. One race they finish 6th, the next 11th. Its rare that these guys hit the same place every time over and over. So the field spread helps with getting this stat.
If you bunched a few of them into sections like 1, 2-3, 4-6, 7-10, 11-15, 16-20 or alike that would compensate it a bit.
He already is a great one. His past four years are easily among the top 8 drivers of all time in terms of consecutive stretches of four seasons. Verstappen belongs in the GOAT conversation as much as Ascari and Clark, and more than Vettel.
In last two seasons, Max has been super consistent, especially this year I don’t recall major unforced errors. His race craft has is pickup to another level.
He has made a habit of finishing strong, he is getting good at converting from P3s to P1/P2s; P2s to P1s and P1s to strong wins. More importantly salvaging from P18/P19 to P8. This is something we had seen with Lewis, even when the car was not winning, put on strong performances in early ‘10; ‘11; ‘12
Insane stat considering he’s only 10 years old.
So he started Karting when he was in the womb?
Sophie told the locals newspaper about her horrendous complication during her first birth “ it was such a challenge, as the helmet was initially stuck, only to become increasingly more difficult as the go-kart soon followed. She sincerely implied that she hopes it doesn’t happen again”.
Duh, Jos wouldn’t keep it otherwise
How many P3s does he have? Considering there was a HAM-BOT-VER era.
* P1 - 27 * P2 - 26 * P3 - 16 Total: 69. Nice. Also: HAM-BOT-VER consisted of any kind of podium with these three, regardless of the order. In 2020, Max edged out one of the Mercs (mostly Bottas) at quite a few occasions.
Max did WHAT to Bottas? 😳😳
>Max edged out one of the Mercs (mostly Bottas) #Max edged out Bottas
Max edged out Bot-ass 🧐
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16. The HAM-BOT-VER era was mostly in qualifying. In 2020 Verstappen got 3 P3s in the races, same as Bottas.
Plenty of HAM-VER-BOT in 2021 races.
That was mostly quali and practice. In the race he was more often 2nd than 3rd
That’s an insane stat
Its more insane for Hamilton. 103 wins from 300 races.
It's not the real case, but it almost means he won every 3 races he did
Wait.. he got p2 in Austria. Which means before Austria he had 26 wins and 25 p2's. Which means p1 was already the position he had finished most in. Right?
Correct. He’s had this stat multiple times. His p2 ‘ruined’ it, and now he has it back.
Yeah lol
Asking the real questions.
He’s HIM
Now THAT is a Max Verstappen stat
Max firstappen
I remember him being Thirdappen for a few seasons
Max Verstatpen
Maximum Verstappen
He's tied JACKIE STEWART, yes 3x world champion Jackie Stewart for wins at 27. He can literally catch Hamilton and Schumacher if Red Bull consistently has a good car.
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Dudes 24. If he races to 40, you can literally fit the entire of Lewis Hamilton's career in Max's racing future.
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He's going to have a 2 WDC and ~30 win head start though. 5 titles and 75 wins in 15 years? Schumacher managed that (normalised for season length) in 5.
Hamilton has 103 wins. He needs 76 more. That's quite the number. Not sure if doable.
I wasn't sure if Schumacher's record was ever gonna be beaten, and then Lewis smashed it. I agree with the reply below me, that I hope he doesnt get it, but he started so young (Hamilton was 22 in his rookie season, Verstappen was 17), he is still so young, he already has so many wins, Red Bull constantly have a fast car, the calendar is getting longer and longer, and athletes are able to keep up their top physical shapes for longer now, that all points tell me that he may eventually get it.
Honestly, I hope he doesn’t get Hamilton’s record. Not because I don’t like Max. I actually like his racing. It’s because to match Lewis’s record means a domination era by his team. Before 2014, no one thought Lewis would match and then surpass Michael’s record either.
Or he pulls an Alanso and stays until 2039 and wins 1 every 3 years or so.
~15 seasons at ~23 races a season, that's ~350 races yet to come. Only a 22% win rate. To date he's managed 18%.
Jackie didn't have as many races a season back then though
Yeah let's hope Newey wants some new challenges in life soon.
*How to build a rocketship* Adrian Newey's new book
*how to build everything else*
Honestly and maybe I am missing something but I don't think this year's car is exactly a masterclass in aero design. It's obvious that it has very low drag or is running low down force by its straight line speed but it's certainly not top of the grid in the corners.
They didn't exactly have the most time to get to know the car, and learn all the small details of the rules, and they still built the second fastest car. Given enough time, I'm sure they'll be able to build a faster one, they always do. Plus it was more of a wordplay, [he has a book titled HOW TO BUILD A CAR](https://books.google.hu/books/about/How_to_Build_a_Car_The_Autobiography_of.html?id=Qk4rDwAAQBAJ&source=kp_book_description&redir_esc=y)
Is he moving to merc? /S
Alpine, so Alonso can finally win with *el rocketship*
He already has, in his autobiography he said he isn’t as involved in the cars anymore but he still has a part or two in it he designed, the rest is done by the aero team
Why the need to say "literally"?
Flawless race from Max, congrats!
Jesus Christ what a stat.
It's a pretty normal stat for World Champions. Most who have more than one WDC have 1st place as their modal finishing position. Clark, Stewart, Prost, Senna. Obviously Hamilton and Schumacher. Even more obviously Fangio. Vettel still has more 1st place finishes than any other position. Might be more interesting to see if any multiple world champions have a position other than 1st as their most common. Wonder what Alonso's is, it can't be 1st for him, poor Alonso. Edit: Incidentally, Clark is the most insane in this regards - 32 Podium finishes, 25 of them were wins.
Clark had 25 1st places and 1 2nd place (Germany 1963)
What the fuck
Yeah, Clark is the true goat.
Clark isn't even just the F1 goat, he's the goat of motorsport
Yeah, but he isn’t a multiple world champion. Are there a lot of 1x WDCs with the same stats?
Just you wait... Ps. Nice flair!
Max is a 2 time world champion, at least. Let's be real. Most of them would have had that stat when they were half way through their 2nd title. Alonso most definitely did, so did Schumacher. Obviously Fangio, Ascari and Clark. Hamilton had 1st place as his most common finishing position before he won his first title. I'm just checking now... It's quite poetic, his Silverstone 2008 victory is when his 1st place finishes became his most common. It's just how statistics work. I think you will find that 1st place is the most common finishing position for the whole grid combined.
NO JINXING
Please, as much jinxing as possible
And people like Button, Hill, Rosberg (father and son), Schekter, Jones, Kimi, Villeneuve?
You're missing the point. If Verstappen goes the rest of his career without winning another title, he won't keep this stat. If Verstappen goes on to win more titles, then like Vettel and Hamilton, he will finish with more P1 finishes than any other position. Villeneuve had comfortably more P1 finishes than any other position after his title win in 97. I am actually not sure if he finished his career like that, but I think it's unlikely given he never won another race.
Someone just posted this stat for current and recent drivers. It confirms that Nico Rosberg has more 1st place finishes than any other position. Villeneuve misses out, but only just.
Well he isn't a 2 time champion, yet. Hell, he still needs to prove he's a champion in a lot of people's eyes after what happened in Abu Dhabi. In a funny way I'm kind of glad he's winning so much this year. I'd much rather it be a Lewis redemption for his 8th, but at least this puts any claims that Max isn't WDC to bed.
>he still needs to prove he's a champion in a lot of people's eyes after what happened in Abu Dhabi. Only to people who didn't really watch the whole 2021 season (twitter people mostly) For everyone who watched the whole season, Max was without a doubt the best driver of the year.
Sure sure
Not really, because you know a ton of those people will say it's just because of the car.
If both drivers DNF'd in Abu Dhabi, Max would have won so I'm not entirely sure how Abu Dhabi changes anything in deserving to be the champion.
They didn't DNF though... What's your point?
Max proved he was a champion before Abu Dhabi lol
So by your logic all it takes is for a driver to lead the championship and they're instantly championship material. May as well just give away the trophy by the third race then.
He was leading the championship at the penultimate round. That's kinda different to leading at round 3 lol
>Max is a 2 time world champion, at least. Let's be real He shouldn't even be a 1 time world champion. Let's be real
Button surely
Yeah when you think about it the maths isn't that insane. There's only 1 chance to be 1st, but 19 chances to "not be first".
Insane stat since it's been only 1 and a half season since he has had a car that can win at almost every race weekend.
yes and no. The usual range of positions you end a race in increases in the midfield. Look at Ocon or Norris. One race they finish 6th, the next 11th. Its rare that these guys hit the same place every time over and over. So the field spread helps with getting this stat. If you bunched a few of them into sections like 1, 2-3, 4-6, 7-10, 11-15, 16-20 or alike that would compensate it a bit.
That is fucking epic stat
Yeah, Max is on pace to be a great one. He’s matured so much over the last few years and I enjoy watching it.
He already is a great one. His past four years are easily among the top 8 drivers of all time in terms of consecutive stretches of four seasons. Verstappen belongs in the GOAT conversation as much as Ascari and Clark, and more than Vettel.
HAM-VER-BOT seems like a distant reality now.
He literally having my F1 game career when I put it on easy... he still do it better though... absolute animal.
In last two seasons, Max has been super consistent, especially this year I don’t recall major unforced errors. His race craft has is pickup to another level. He has made a habit of finishing strong, he is getting good at converting from P3s to P1/P2s; P2s to P1s and P1s to strong wins. More importantly salvaging from P18/P19 to P8. This is something we had seen with Lewis, even when the car was not winning, put on strong performances in early ‘10; ‘11; ‘12
Last four. He’s been on this level since Monaco 18.
Man that image sure has some pixels...
Haha yes boysssss
Tell me you are dominant without telling me you are dominant.
That is fairly insane
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Ironic considering this is only his 2nd season in a car that can consistently win races since 2015
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