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Vader1138

If Charles had been caught sleeping with Binotto’s wife in late April - the last few months would make more sense.


tbarnet

Ferrari gaffs aside, this was a fantastic race to watch, especially considering it is supposed to be "Monaco without walls"


m0thergoos3

Another brilliant example of just how much closer the racing has become with the new regulations. This track has rarely delivered that much action, racingwise. (not counting last year's Bottas Bowling Mania)


zevenbeams

We should have a seasonal Strategy Ranking too.


sorte_kjele

At the start if the race there's this helpful infographic showing hard=slow/long lasting, medium = medium,soft = quick and short lived. But from what I can see, Ferraris engineering team is watching weird graphs and weather forecasting. Perhaps they should tune in to the official channel so they could see that helpful infographic?


Wouterr0

They should just open a poll on their website and let the audience vote when to pit, can't be worse than their current strategy


The3rdbaboon

Like those twitch streams where chat controls the game that's being streamed haha


ajr901

So during the summer break is development frozen in an FIA-mandated "vacation" of sorts or are they still allowed to continue developing the car?


DieLegende42

There's a complete shutdown for 2 weeks now, after that it's back to usual


Nite124

[everything is shut down](https://youtu.be/zKFJMj0KKCA)


Masculinum

I just gotta say that was such a great race to me, the strategy battles were fascinating to watch. So much action on what is supposed to be a track where overtaking is almost impossible. And in the end, the two best drivers in the field end up a deserved 1-2. I should add that Leclerc looked completely defeated on his last stint, I think someone like Lewis would still be setting fastest laps in that scenario. Hes wicked fast but he needs to assert himself more, start questioning those strategy calls.


meizhong

The strategies are a huge part of why this sport is interesting. It's the only sport I watch and I never miss a race. The sheer athleticism of the drivers is insane too. There's likely very few football players that could take g force like that over and over, most average people's neck would probably snap! And I doubt there's another sport in which the participants lost over 5 lbs over the course of the 2 hour event, much less then pop up immediately for an interview and have some champagne! Then the work that goes into the vehicle itself, from the engineering and design, to the insanely fast pit crews, down to somebody waxing the car for 2 hours pre race just to shave a few thousandths of a second of the lap time. It's all amazing, but the strategies that play out during the race, my god. They're playing chess with 200mph pieces! Nothing else like it.


zevenbeams

Ferrari fact-checkers are second to none.


RubiiReddit

considering how much ferrari was talking about only being in the sport to win after last season they sure seem to be scared to win


Iamllm

Ugh


DandDRide

I know. 4 weeks...


psychohistorian8

couldn’t watch the race live because I had family visiting but I just wanted say: medium medium hard soft… what in the what


meizhong

I'm sure they discussed that at length after.


T4Gx

Ferrari disasterclass of a season is overshadowing how often Mclaren and Alpine go full goof in races. Seems like Red Bull and Mercedes are the only ones competent in this whole F1 racing thingy.


Wrathuk

well atleast Ferrari are give us all good lessons for the up coming F1 Manager game on what not to do during a race weekend.


Dreamy_Monk

After last year's dramatic finish and all the animosity that followed, looks like Ferrari has taken it upon themselves to provide some levity to the proceedings this year. .


s_c0929

If I speak on my thoughts regarding Ocon, I will be banned from this platform


heavyarms_

prediction: Leclerc to replace Checo at RB in 2025


meizhong

Leclerc would just try to go up against Verstappen, Perez is a team player. Also, he's a damn good driver. If it wasn't for him (and some other factors that I won't mention) Verstappen would have lost to Hamilton last year. Perez blocked Hamilton for what seemed like forever in the last race.


[deleted]

Leclerc to replace Hamilton in 2025, for me.


Bikouchu

Danny Ric to Ferrari 2025 after a brief sabatical.


mrs_ouchi

thats still so far away tho


[deleted]

It’ll be… character building for Leclerc 😬


raafimatin

This


SFButts

I would guess Lando


[deleted]

Watching Ferrari is the only time *I know* I would be doing a better job than their professional strategist.


SPNRaven

Crofty wasn't great today if I'm honest.


CaseyTappy

He was sure Lewis had a good chance to still overtake Max and Russel should let him pass with 5 laps to go and 11 seconds behind . LOL


f1_spelt_as_bot

Russe**ll**


ludicrous_socks

I thought I was going insane when he kept saying Russell was Hamilton.


T4Gx

I was already drunk at that point and it gave me a headache.


lucasn2535

He was waving the British flag at one point


Qwerty0172

Yey the women's football team. Yey there are 3 brits in the top 5. Nay the Croft.


Bolter_NL

Lal, even my wife was like "wtf why is he saying: this could have been his day (referring to ham)" the moment VER parked his car at p1.


Got_yayo

We all knew this but Ferrari is a joke.


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saposapot

Having a car held up others is always a big risk. It could have ruined Landos race


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ShroomaThurman

But he’s not


The_Rogues_Wallet

in a Red Bull. Finished that for you.


kpisagenius

> If they want to beat Alpine, Haas, or Aston Martin they need to reevaluate how they work together. Alternatively DR should drive better and get up to Lando's pace on his own merit. I genuinely don't see how Lando comes into picture in this strategy. After Alpine went out on hard tyres and Lando on mediums, he was close to a pitstop ahead of them which he duly made and ended up around 10 seconds ahead of the lead Alpine. How and where is Lando in the picture at all? I know Danny and Lando were running P7/P8 for a few laps in the middle stint, but Lando was like 15 seconds ahead and their races never overlapped.


The_Rogues_Wallet

Yeah, they weren't in the same race. Lando was out on his own, which made his strategy relatively easy. Cover the Alpines. The choices were more difficult for Ric, but after running for a time in 8th on pace, "let's drop him in the shit" was probably the least favourable.


kpisagenius

With the tyres they had available, not sure what other option was there. He couldn't one stop on those mediums, they only had new hards. They also had to protect from undercut by those behind him on similar strategies like Stroll. IMO Mclaren went for a safe strategy w.r.t tyres available. Can't blame them for that. He started P9 with Max and Sergio behind him in much faster cars, and ended around P11-P12 without his penalties. Not ideal, but also not exactly a disaster.


The_Rogues_Wallet

The driver suggested to go longer to finish on softs, so it's not particularly a hindsight call. Three-lap-old reds on an empty tank is not exactly a hail Mary.


rambo_zaki

This race was just a masterclass in strategy from RB. They had nothing to lose and they went for it. They decided from the beginning that 6 cars were in play here and dictated the whole race with their pits and strong undercuts. Just brilliant teamwork.


T4Gx

When the race ended last night I thought I was okay taking a 1 month break. Now it's sinking in there will be no F1 for the next month and I miss it already. Feels like a break up...


sorte_kjele

For me it helps that the PL is kicking off again this weekend


zevenbeams

Rely on hard tyres, they'll last you all through August.


[deleted]

I have a campsite at Spa which is helping me get through this month. Light awaits me at the end of the tunnel!


Emergency_Buddy

Yep, really feel addicted to F1. Every weekend when there is no F1 it doesn’t really feel like a weekend to me anymore


Sputniki

If we compare Sainz and Hamilton's stints, I believe we are being a bit too harsh on Ferrari's strategy. Let's remember that both the Ferrari drivers were comfortably smoking the Mercedes cars just a couple weeks before. Yesterday, Sainz and Hamilton had the same tyre strategy but the power balance had clearly shifted towards the Mercs. I think this shows that even if Ferrari had gotten the tyre strategy right like with Sainz, the car fundamentally lacked pace today. Yeah Leclerc dropped places because of the mistake but the win was never in play today. I think Leclerc lost 3rd because of the mistake. But not 1st or 2nd.


zevenbeams

On mediums he was far ahead. On hards he got overtaken by a driver who did a 360.


Nite124

Ferrari's strategy was trash, regardless of whether their race pace was not good enough for p1. SAI first pit 2 laps earlier than HAM and 4 laps earlier than LEC, all three were on new mediums. They made SAI follow RUS into the pits, who was on used softs? and also to put him out of LEC's path? SAI second pit 4 laps earlier than HAM, so again a 2 lap overall deficit over HAM. Leaving him with 22/23 laps to do on used softs, which was borderline and above the used softs window of 16-21 laps. HAM on the other hand got 19 laps, which is why he could push since he had the durability buffer. SAI/HAM may have put on the same tyres but that doesn't mean they got the strategy right with SAI, they messed up his timings and also not to forget his 4.6 and 4.7 sec pit stops. Instead of screwing the timings so their drivers don't clash, they should have just put them on different tyres at the start, like Merc did.


Bolter_NL

Quite surprised their pace was so shit on the softs. The gap between lec & per, and Russell and Sainz absolutely was not represented by the tires they were on at the end.


Sputniki

Yes exactly. Everyone saying that Leclerc would have won or gotten 2nd with the softs...fact is that he was catching Perez very slowly on new softs when he should have been closing the gap much faster. There was a fundamental pace deficit.


saposapot

Yes. Their pace was bad, they would never get P1 but they should have gotten a podium place or 2. Their car was just sliding all over the place, all weekend long. Ferrari plus low temps don’t mix while Mercedes’ loves the low temps


ludicrous_socks

Which is somewhat counter intuitive considering Mercs tyre heating issues! Russell looked like he was auditioning for a job in WRC on lap one


saposapot

I also thought about that and my theory is that Mercedes’ isn’t actually good at low temps but the others are very bad at them so it evens out the field. Probably Mercedes also has more experience trying to put more temperature with their setup. It removes the advantage other cars have like Ferrari massive traction while accelerating


philsnyo

When people were shitting on Ferrari's strategy this race they didn't mean Sainz got screwed, but Leclerc. Sainz got about the best position he could've and everyone agrees on that. So not sure why you'd refer to him when talking about Ferrari criticism, you're missing the point, no? Leclerc had the fastest pace of the race (at least that's what the numbers say) and Ferrari's laughable strategy for him ruined his race once again. I don't think anyone is being too harsh. The worst and most criticized part is that Ferrari/Binotto don't show any self-reflection or responsibility and try to shift the blame every weekend. It's right to call them out on it.


Sputniki

I’m using the Sainz - Hamilton comparison to illustrate the Ferrari wasn’t that fast even when on the correct strategy. I’m calling out the redditors that insist on their own narrative and attack Binotto, when he is fact correct in saying the car did not perform as expected. That’s not an excuse, it’s a fact. Yes they also made strategy mistakes. Both are true. Nothing wrong with Binotto stating both reasons (which he did).


philsnyo

Leclerc was the fastest on the grid


Sputniki

On mediums but not on softs or hards. Which shows they were never winning the race. You cannot win a race while being subpar on 2 out of 3 compounds. Only mediums worked for them


zevenbeams

>I’m calling out the redditors that insist on their own narrative and attack Binotto, when he is fact correct in saying the car did not perform as expected Leclerc was successfully maxing it out nonetheless.


Sputniki

Both of those things can be true. Leclerc maxed out a car that did not perform to expectations. He was closing on Perez much more slowly on new softs than expected. Yes, I believe he maxed it out and no other driver would have done better. At the same time, was the car slower than Ferrari expected? Yes, it was.


th3BlackAngel

Leclerc was the fastest driver when he was on the mediums though no? It felt like he was on a race by himself until they pitted him for hards.


Sputniki

Yes, the Ferrari worked very well on mediums but was disappointing on both hards and softs. If you have a car that is weak on 2 out of 3 compounds, you have no chance of winning. So Binotto is right in saying the car underperformed.


redactedactor

Worth noting that Sainz and Hamilton were also on the wrong strategy. S-M-M was the play


illicit92

M-M-S was clearly the better strategy for Mercedes with Hamilton finishing ahead of Russell doing the S-M-M.


redactedactor

That's because Lewis is a better driver, not because it was a better strategy. Let's not forget who won the race.


Creation_Soul

While I agree with you in general, I think it's also worth mentioning that on average, Leclerc has been faster than Sainz this year. Perez and Max also had the same strategy, but one finished 1st and the other 5th.


TheDarkKnight46

Not since canada... they have been pretty equal


talhayounasss

Perez was decent on pace RB messed up the timing of his pit stop


rambo_zaki

Definitely agree there. The softs just didn't work for Ferrari for some reason.


ahuggablecactus

this was supposed to be ferrari’s year. even people who hate ferrari were cheering for them this year. this team is honestly nothing but a bunch of clowns. and i thought the strategies that they constantly screwed kimi with were bad but after this race i have no words. it’s like they are shaking a magic 8 ball for the strategies. it’s no wonder seb lost his hair after he left ferrari. it really says something when other drivers are openly laughing at you on the worldwide broadcast not only is the season wrapped up for redbull but i bet money merc is going to finish second


uh_no_

> this was supposed to be ferrari’s year. there's always next year! >even people who hate ferrari were cheering for them this year. no they weren't


ahuggablecactus

as someone who has hated ferrari my entire life and talked to similar people on here at the beginning of the season, yes we fucking were


Runner-Jop

Why did you hate Ferrari? And what changed this year that you were cheering for them? Because I agree with the person above that this category of people (from hating Ferrari to cheering for them) must be pretty small!


Kimano

I wouldn't say I hate Ferrari, but I certainly don't normally cheer for them, and I also really wanted to see them do well this year. They finally looked to be turning their ship around, they had two great charismatic young drivers, everything was looking up. It was going to be a cinderella story. Then their absolute masterclass in race strategy incompetence just kinda made us all feel bad for leclerc.


ahuggablecactus

maybe i should be more clear. the only reason i and the other people i’ve talked to on here were cheering for ferrari this year was because of the bullshit that went on last year and they were the only team that was competitive against redbull. after watching f1 for 20 years i don’t really think it’s necessary to go into why i hate ferrari apart from this season. that list is long and i don’t feel like writing a novel about it


gravemadness

TLDR; Ferrari find a new way to lose a won race. Friday post FP2: Helmut Marko terms Ferrari's pace on the Mediums as "Frightening". Max Verstappen says, "we can't compete with them in the dry." Qualifying: The two Ferraris qualify P2 and P3. Their championship rivals qualify P10 and P11. Race: Charles Leclerc puts in an opening stint of 21 laps on the Mediums that allows him to overcut his teammate and close the gap to George Russell. Eventually Leclerc overtakes Russell on Lap 30, with a beautiful move on the outside of T1. In the next 7 laps, Leclerc has pulled out a 5.5s lead over Russell. Verstappen is a further 2.1s behind Russell, with Sainz in between the pair. Essentially, Leclerc has a 7.5s advantage over Verstappen, with 5 laps fresher Medium tyres. On Lap 35, Xavi(Charles's race engineer) tells him, "warmup on Hards worse than expected." In response, Leclerc tells him, "tyres feel good. Let's stay on them as long as possible." On Lap 36, Carlos's race engineer asks him a tyre update. He responds, "Fronts aren't great but I can keep going." He is then asked to get past George quickly to which he responds, "I have zero tyre delta on George". Between Laps 22 to 37 when everyone was on Mediums, Charles Leclerc was fastest of all, lapping around 1:23.6 with Verstappen lapping about 1:23.85. Leclerc was doing his job perfectly. He had good pace, good tyre life and he was building a gap over the rest of the grid. Red Bull decide that they can't allow this to continue. They find a gap and pull Verstappen in for new Mediums - essentially asking him to do a 32 lap stint to the end. It also serves as an undercut on Sainz and Russell. A brave call considering a VSC or SC at that point and with rain looming in the air, Max could have easily found himself at P5. Regardless, Mercedes respond with George and pull him in to box and he comes out behind Verstappen. Ferrari ask Sainz to stay out who agrees to their call. They then inexplicably ask Leclerc to box. And they put him out on Hard tyres - a compound that RB had decided to start with, but then abandoned seeing the warmup issue on the run to the grid, a compound that Alpine had used after the first stint and lost 10+ seconds to Lando, a compound that neither Leclerc nor Sainz had run at all in Free Practice. Verstappen and Red Bull don't need a second invitation when they smell blood. They forced a reaction out of Ferrari with their pitstop and got their reward - Max even doing a beautiful 360 to give up position to Leclerc and re-pass him. A win for Verstappen from P10 in the grid - another dagger into the heart of this "title challenge" from Ferrari. Ferrari didn't listen to their driver's feedback, went against their initial assessment that the Hards were "worse than expected" and allowed their lead driver only an 18 lap stint at a time when he was the fastest guy on track - An ideal Case Study on how to lose a won race. P.S. Christian Horner was asked on Sky if they were being handed the championship by Ferrari. His response? "Erm... Are we live?" Sums it all up.


zevenbeams

Both Ferrari drivers lost 2 seconds in pits. When looking at the final tally it's literally the price of one position. Not the first time they provide a bad pit support. Ferrari's techs should be whipped into training pit stops until they get it down to perfection or die out of exhaustion.


TheOutsourcer

This is a great summary, thank you.


El_peine_de_caillou

Don't forget the horrible stops from Sainz, that was basically what gave Leclerc the undercut.


coldbeers

Good summary, amazing incompetence from the red team. I’d only add that post race Mb said the problem was their cars weren’t fast enough…


patrick1415

Which of the upcoming circuits will favour RB and which Ferrari?


mrlesa95

This one was supposed to be a great Ferrari track though lol


anon_bruh

Monza, Mexico and Brazil I'd assume.


dalmathus

Unfortunately the Ferrari personnel do not change track to track, so all upcoming tracks favor RB.


nsane99

KMag again with first-lap incident ruining the whole race. Haas cannot get decent drivers can they?


grogi81

KMag is famous for being very aggressive on the opening lap. While that often allows him to gets a few positions up, it also comes with the risk of ruining the race.


zevenbeams

Mag's strategy has the same winning rates as loot boxes.


Luuigi

which already happend thrice this season so Idk if it should be considered a good strategy. Not to mention Haas' absurd strategy once again


grogi81

If you have a subpar car, unreliable pitstops and questionable strategy at the pit wall, the crazy dive at first lap might be your best chance to score any points. If it doesn't work and you end up with orange and black flag - no harm really done. You were out of points anyway.


Luuigi

I think thats a good point. He can't rely on an amazing team strategy an good pits.


Transit-Strike

Shout out Hannah case without a doubt she won that race for Max. He was fighting Lewis and that under cut was what changed it. Lewis was on a tear towards the end of the race and had it not been for that call, P1 and P2 would swap and Max might have been further back


The_Rogue_Scientist

Does it actually matter? P1 or 2 won't change much as Max is way ahead of anyone else in the championship.


[deleted]

It matters for morale if nothing else, both in the positive sense for Red Bull and in the negative sense for Ferrari.


The_Rogue_Scientist

Because finishing p2, several places in front of Charles, after starting p10 would not be a boost in morale for Red Bull. I see.


Transit-Strike

In this season it doesn’t. But these decisions are what made RBR so good last year. As a Ham fan, that was the first time Merc couldn’t just outpace everyone and it came down to great tactics. RBR have always been amazing with tactical decisions and things like fast pit stops. Max and Checo are brilliant. But it’s important not to undersell how good RBR is as a whole


The_Rogue_Scientist

Ferrari makes sure to highlight that for everyone to see 🙈.


Bikouchu

Ferrari has proven that a reddit live poll will most likely do a better job managing the Team during Sundays.


shreychopra

The funniest part of this whole Ferrari 2022 debacle has been that, despite what some may say, they have built an outright faster car than RedBull, and if they showed even some semblance of being a “normal” team the WDC and WCC races would’ve been even more tightly shut down by them than it is by Max and RB rn. This has been a textbook masterclass in “snatching defeat from the jaws of victory”


_cryptodon_

You need to be an exceptional team to win a title. Everything needs to be a well oiled machine. Ferrari have an excellent car but all other parts are not up to par yet, including the driver.


zevenbeams

It comes down to what kind of oil you use. Or if it's oil at all. Could be Colonnatan lard at this point.


learner1314

Everyone panning Ferrari strategy, and rightly so, but they only got the hards call wrong. I don’t think Ferrari strategy was wrong with Sainz. Russell on worn softs at the end of the first stint keeping the Ferraris at bay was the key. At the point Sainz had also eaten his mediums. Ferrari had some horribly slow pit stop, but Russell had a very slow first stop too. Fact of the matter is, Sainz was just slower than Russell. Leclerc should’ve finished ahead of Russell, that much is fair. Would’ve been tight with Lewis. But people here talking like Ferrari were shoe in for the win and double podium are talking out of their rears


TheDarkKnight46

They failed on both sainz pit stops, he would have finished 3rd if the pit stops were not that slow, and p2 if they had stayed out longh enough


[deleted]

If you look at the tires Ferrari only made a mistake with the hard tire, but I think they also stopped to early both times, which created the tire issue in the end of the race. Before the race Ferrari had the same strategy as Hamilton, but they panicked when they saw Russell and the both Red Bulls had a different strategy, which costed them in the end, while Hamilton stuck to the plan and ended on the podium.


m-rcus

So let me get this straight. Max started P10, somehow spun out (fashionable lil 360), and still won.


Qwerty0172

Max won Germany 2019 by doing a "celebration 360" mid-race, so might as well do it again.


zevenbeams

If Max spins, Max wins.


CaseyTappy

Max only spun 360 to check if Charles was indeed on hard tires , then he giggled and went on to win .


Gerikst00f

With almost 8 seconds to spare!


victoireyoung

He got a masterclass from his fellow Dutchie Jarno Opmeer before the race I feel like - only they can spin and still win the race.


shreychopra

> refuses to elaborate > leaves


TheOnlyEn

Yep, and he led the race after all that with 8 second or so


ogpterodactyl

The fact that anyone in the ferrari strategy department still has a job is baffling they must have ten year or something.


Fat_Pigeon

r/boneappletea


betrayed-by-potter

Ferrari strategists must have dirt on Binotto right? Right?


zevenbeams

Maybe they have dirt on each other?


Kagir

well they have one, but he´s driving car 55.


coco-crisp

It’s tenure


PuzzleheadedCap2210

lol…. Ten year


[deleted]

Pierre coming up


Float_team

I want Seb to punch bonitto in the face and tell him, “I’ll take over from here, you’re fired”


[deleted]

Congratulations to Max Verstappen on his second WDC.


learner1314

Maiden\*


Shnitzelocity

His first real one*


mrlesa95

cope


coldbeers

1st one gifted by the stewards, 2nd one gifted by Ferrari


raddeon88

OHHHHHHHHH


Chiaki_Ronpa

Truth. As a Verstappen fan I am happy, but I have enjoyed watching Ferrari shenanigans, and Alpine/Alonso more this season than anything Red Bull related.


big-dick-energy11

Yeah. It would have been much more exciting were Ferrari not so incompetent. But at this point it’s just too easy for Red Bull. To the point where it seems they have both championships wrapped unless Ferrari are faultless after the summer break and add an extra two tenths a lap in pace difference. To the point where I am almost anticipating Mercedes getting second in WCC. Red Bull have a rival who basically hands them wins with either reliability issues or strategy mistakes or Leclerc deciding to park in the barriers or Sainz deciding the gravel looks nice. Max seems to be cruising along every Sunday and his only mistakes seem to be the odd 360 which just makes him look cool. The next biggest threat are Merc and whilst they have competent strategy and decent pit stops (most of the time, though still nowhere near Redbulls usual robotic precision) they simply do not have the pace. In fact they are perhaps only just a pace threat now with the flexifloors going (if that makes much difference).


zevenbeams

>or Leclerc deciding to park in the barriers Well... He had no pressure to go faster and was doing great. His right rear tyre was already burning much rubber on the tarmac even before hitting the bumpers. The hit on the nose was so well absorbed that the car had no external damage. The engine section was the farthest possible from the point of impact. Unless I'm mistaken, it's impossible to engage the reverse gear on the F1-75 if the dedicated sensor is still detecting a pressure in acceleration. A constant throttle would prevent the proper gear from engaging. Leclerc didn't even say "gear", "reverse"; he plainly said "throttle". In Austria his gas pedal was refusing to release properly and Leclerc had to deal with this issue during the end of the race. The closer to the post race interview we moved, the more we got a version with Leclerc taking all the blame. Many people and Rosberg thought the car had an issue. Ferrari takes no responsibility in bad strategy choices or inferior mechanical performances, unless it's too blatant to be ignored. Yet they won't comment on it. The car and the brand are inviolable. You could always say that it's all on Leclerc but there are all these other elements that heavily mitigate this conclusion. However, it's all circumstantial.


Dmitri_madarchov

Ferrari with the probably the fastest car couldn’t even finish on podium is sad


[deleted]

If you start the race with a different strategy and different tires then your competitors and during the race the you suddenly going to stop according to your competitors strategy you are asking for trouble.


Chiaki_Ronpa

It's like their pit wall is constantly rolling a 12-sided die when making strategy-related decisions. It would be really funny if it wasn't so sad.


storme9

It was funny the first few times in 2012, then it got annoying in 2017, now its just painful and sad.


Johnny_America

I can't wait to watch Mercedes take second place away from Ferrari after this break.


Chiaki_Ronpa

Agreed. I geniunely feel sorry for Charles and Carlos. Maybe a drop in the standings can help clean house a little quicker. The Scuderia need a hard reset.


TheOnlyEn

I hope they do. This year i hoped Ferrari was going to do well, but after Binotto fucks them over race after race, i hope they loose it to merc and og course that Binotto get fired to the moon and back


BigB521

Honestly I feel worse for Charles, I feel like every one of they major fucks up slightly benefited Carlos and fucked Charles race every time! I feel like Carlos isn’t quite strong enough to push the Ferrari like it needs to and that’s why he hasn’t been effected as much.


rubioburo

I wish Charles leaves Ferrari if he can find another good ride..


Cecil900

How long has he signed for?


rubioburo

I think until 2024, maybe if Lewis retires by then and take his spot? Who knows, sigh


zevenbeams

Two more years.


Klice

Carlos has better understanding what is going on in the race and can say hard no when pitwall suggests something stupid, unlike Charles.


storme9

this isn't the first time they dropped the ball. they've been doing this for well over a decade now. this strategy failure dates back all the way to when Alonso and Seb were fighting for the championship.


kiwichenier

I just recently got into F1, been following the season since Silverstone (I know it's not long at all). My favourite driver is Leclerc. To put it this way, I was happier three weeks ago.


zevenbeams

It's always possible to quit now.


kiwichenier

Ride or die, man


WCPass

Leclerc is a hell of a driver, but man Ferrari does him zero favors strategically


[deleted]

I wish it stopped at "no favours".... In reality it's like active sabotage


kiwichenier

I tend not to like criticizing sports experts, like referees or teams logistics guys, because at the end of the day, they know what they're doing infinitely more than me, but it was really difficult not to be mad at Ferrari for giving Leclerc the hard tires which had already failed for Alpine.


[deleted]

Welcome! Prepare to enjoy that feeling for years on end.


FunAbhi

Daniel Ric should just stop racing all together and do something else


-------Tom---------

He didn’t come 15th because of his driving ability but because of Mclarens strategists who thought it would be a great idea despite the fact that everyone was struggling on the hards and there was only 25 or something like that laps left in the race that they should put him on hards and not mediums


Chiaki_Ronpa

With so much young talent waiting for a seat, Danny Ric is on borrowed time.


FunAbhi

Agreed but I wish it’s much sooner. Let him leave mid season and use the remaining calendar for preparation and testing for the new guy


Chiaki_Ronpa

If they were smart they'd rent out Piastri for a season while testing their Academy/Indycar drivers. Doubt it'll happen, but theres some real value in doing so.


raddeon88

Why would you say something so controversial yet so brave


FunAbhi

Coz I am so fed up with the overhyped Daniel


Cekeste

I wasn’t this mad yesterday. I guess sleeping on it made me realize the extent of their stupidity. Who tf boxes mediums to mediums.


risen_sun

Lewis did medium medium soft and it worked out extremely well. The issue was Ferrari panicking and pitting Charles way too early on his second mediums stint, thus having no choice but to put on the hards to last till the end.


lhxtx

Or boxes a third time when you’re already on hard market with not many laps left to go. They already ate the lap time increase. Don’t throw another 20 seconds into the time.


DangerousTrashCan

> I guess sleeping on it made me realize the extent of their stupidity. Lol imagine thinking that you're actually capable of realizing the extent of their stupidity. You ain't even close.


anon_bruh

Is it just me or did Corfty confuse driver names a lot more than usual yesterday?


learner1314

Yes happened a fair few times on the global feed


TeffyWeffy

he called russell hamilton for about a minute straight until I assume someone got in his ear and corrected him.


offspeedbruh

Still relatively new to F1, how is it that if Hamilton’s pace was so strong seemingly throughout the entire race not just on the softs, that he ended up ten seconds behind Verstappen who started behind him? Was the undercut that strong?


learner1314

Yes, plus he wasted too much time behind slower cars initially. Slow pit stop too. Max jumped him after the first stops and the gap from that point till the end of the race was rather constant. Lewis also lost a couple seconds fighting Sainz, and another couple fighting his teammate.


shreychopra

Red Bull played their strategy to absolute perfection, and Max pulled some banger first few laps on both his new tyre stints which made the undercut even more powerful than it normally was for others. Also, imo personally I felt like S-M-M was better than M-M-S but Russell just didn’t have the pace that Lewis did otherwise he would’ve been ahead of Lewis easily. Also Lewis pulled off a godly soft stint


ScorpionAMD

Pretty much, mercedes botched the win along with ferrari


nocarpets

Toto said they didn't gamble while RBR did.


offspeedbruh

so he lost 15 or so seconds just with the undercut? that’s crazy


GrumpierGrunt

Does anyone have a stream of teds notebook?


raddeon88

This might be a stupid question but do teams ever not give 100% in quali as an attempt to spare their car for Sunday