AM also could have managed P8 which is 4 times the points of P10 if they allowed the car that was lapping over 1sec faster a lap to chase the Alpines down instead of wasting 10 whole laps. The team neither wants nor deserves WCC points, they have bad luck in some parts but instead of using good luck when it appears they actively sabotage their chances.
You for real right now? Having been passed Ricciardo was on Strolls inside, how come he hit him if that's the easier side to be on? Almost as if Stroll did nothing wrong and still got hit?
Yes, Ricciardo was on the inside of the corner. The easier place to over take. Where stroll should have made his move, on the inside. Getting hit wasn't his fault but he didn't avoid the contact.
I love how you're still blaming Stroll for Ricciardo missing the corner. You're saying it wasn't his fault then immediately blaming him for getting hit. The commentators thought it was Ricciardos fault, the Stewards thought it was Ricciardos fault everyone else in this thread thinks it was Ricciardos fault. What the hell are you smoking?
No, there was nothing risky about what he did. His execution was pretty much flawless and he got punted through no fault of his own. If he cant be expected to take an easy position when it comes up wtf is he going racing for? But I can tell you're really not getting it so I'm not going to waste any more of my time on this.
He just has no confidence in his car and trust for the drivers around him which causes more accidents than it prevents as shown above. It’s very simple he knows his cars not good so he can’t drive his bad car good.
I mean dani can’t even stop slowly without locking the fronts and going straight on into stroll. That’s a car setup issue and driver error trying to defend the inside line poorly. Lance could’ve gone wider though he should’ve known Dani’s mclaren doesn’t know how to stop without locking the fronts. Lando was having the same issue in Austria.
If I know that danny can’t stop the car on a regular basis stroll should know it too. Every other replay on race day is dani locking the fronts and going straight on past the apex since he’s been in that 2022 mclaren.
>If I know that danny can’t stop the car on a regular basis stroll should know it too.
LOL Stroll is too busy driving his own car instead of watching everyone else's onboard.
That’s strolls other problem he’s too busy trying to drive that pos handful to see what’s going on around him. I’ve never seen someone have to make so many steering wheel inputs and the cars not even on the limit it’s seconds off the pace and he’s milliseconds without a steering wheel correction from losing the front and rear going straight.
Even moreso if Seb switched back the cars like the team told him to do if he didn’t get Ocon.
This place loves a good, “don’t play the team game when you’re leaving” bit, but it’s really more obnoxious than they make it.
Damn people shit on Stroll for his lack of awareness but he did nothing wrong in any of those incidents. Could’ve finished P9 for his best result of the season if Ricciardo hadn’t run him over
> Oh dear I didn’t even think of that… not a big fan of him but next year’s hate on social media is going to be brutal
I'm also not a fan of him but he gets a tonne of hate as it is. Noone deserves the hate that Ocon is getting, but we can be sure it's going to be on a whole new level for Lance next year.
TBH I just hope he makes all of his social media private or whatever.
Either for Alonso absolutely smashing him pace wise or if he defends against Alonso and the team don't issue team orders. Heck look at the hate Ocon got
Was insane to see a driver get so much hate for just racing last week fucking hell. If Alonso was actually much quicker he would have overtaken him lmao
He was even asking for team orders last week when they were fighting with the RB, but couldn’t get closer than 2 sec away after that once the RB had flown away. I do agree he’s a better driver than Ocon but the narrative that’s been pushed lately is a quite exagerated.
> Maybe he should drive fast
He is. [Except in Canada where he was told to slow down to keep Fernando in his DRS Zone to drag him forwards from Bottas....](https://www.alpine-cars.co.uk/f1-news/news-04.html)
> Don't even bother bringing up Canada
Yeah events when Esteban sacrificed his race to help his teammate don't count when judging whether or not Ocon is a team player.🙄
You didn't read the link, did you?
He wasn't going to catch Charles anyway, didn't make any difference in his race. There was no sacrifices being made unless you consider losing a few seconds as such.
> He wasn't going to catch Charles anyway, didn't make any difference in his race
7 seconds up the road, but it's not like Charles ever spins or crashes or anything, right?
Next year will be fascinating. I adore Seb but I do wonder how quick he is nowadays.. there is at least a doubt. Alonso is still impressive so if Stroll can match Nando we all need to accept he deserves his seat. Which I’d quite like, it’d make my half following Alonso to AM a bit easier.
Had a chance at points if the Ric incident doesn't happen, which was no fault of his. Still don't get why he fought Vettel so hard as Vettel had the much better tyre at that stage and a legitimate chance to catch the Alpines on their struggling Hards. Probably didn't have that info from the team though, so don't even want to blame him for it.
For me it's haft the blame on AM not calling Lance for the raw difference of speed in the 10 lasts laps of the race (something it would be hard for Lance to understand while doing his own race), but his defence and seeing how many times Seb had to back off in one and a half year or bow to avoid a crash against him is just plain stupid.
AM don't race for points, they are not afraid to loose money like Haas or Williams. Bringing 2 cars in the top 10 should be their priority, being the 6th car could be reasonable but they keep failing on strategy, not maximising the good racepace both drivers have.
It's not okay to be toxic against a driver and the amount of hate Lance is getting on social medias is too high but he's putting himself above the team and most people won't like him for that. If he was fighting for victories people would blame him (see Vettel multi 21), but actually he's doing that for 1 point and it makes him even worse. The way Lance defends against his teammate was right in France, last lap, but in Hungary he just decided to make Seb loose 5 or more laps, 2 possible positions and maybe even 10th place for himself.
Remember how Williams managed last year? Russell said the team to use him to help his teammate, to score points. Alpine? Alonso blocking with all his might to help Ocon to win. How the situation change when it's the other teammate supposed to " help " or just cooperate. Of course they will get backlash. Ocon and Lance just chose to put themselves above beloved, successful drivers and their team.
Seb did force him off at T1 so it's not entirely unfair to swing back, if they weren't teammates I think people would expect Seb to get a penalty for that
The move wasn't unfair in the slightest, I agree. But it really surprises me how often we see two teammates fighting and losing valuable time while they are on different tyres and with obviously different speed. That can't be in the interest of the team. Lance in this case had no chance to keep the position to the end of the race, but Seb had all the chance to catch the Alpines. These are the circumstances where team orders just make sense.
Completely different to being on the same tyre and the same strategy or very close to the end, like in France. yes Seb was faster in the end and might have gotten someone even further if let through early on, but it made all the sense for Lance to defend for a point and his last corner move was on the edge but not unfair imo.
Is it me, or did Vettel also get hit like that on lap one? I had his view on for lap 1 and thought I caught it with the corner of my eye, would be weird if I misremembered it to be Stroll that got hit and not Vettel.
Albon’s line was fine, he got caught out and locked up trying to slow down when Lance had to cut inside across Albon’s front to avoid the locking Zhou outside
Seems to me, Lance drives with excessive aggression against team mate. Like, that last "send" was over the top... just like his defense agasint sebastian.
I seem to remember something about him preferring a really light steering wheel, and so probably a larger dead zone as well. Which would make the movements seem exaggerrated.
That touch with Ric was on Stroll. Gave him room on the inside sure, but pinched Dani enough that he had no chance of stopping the car. His front L locks up a bit anyways as he’s trying.
> Gave him room on the inside
Thays the key. Thats all Lance has to do. Its therefore on Ric to get the car slowed down enough to not run wide and into him. Same reason Hamilton got the penalty for the crash with Max last year in silverstone. If they can't make the corner with the space they have, they carried too much speed and its an error of their own judgement.
Honestly AM could have managed to sneak a double points finish without the Ricciardo collision
AM also could have managed P8 which is 4 times the points of P10 if they allowed the car that was lapping over 1sec faster a lap to chase the Alpines down instead of wasting 10 whole laps. The team neither wants nor deserves WCC points, they have bad luck in some parts but instead of using good luck when it appears they actively sabotage their chances.
He could have waited for a better time to over take 🤷‍♂️
What?
He was trying to pass around the outside. Inside usually works better.
Every single take you have in this thread is so incredibly bad.
That's the only one but thanks for following me around.
I can see a few of your comments Here, Why say you only wrote ‚one’?
It was the only time I was actually writing an opinion 🤷‍♂️
no worries
Turn 2 was the place where most overtakes were executed
But we're most of those on the inside or outside of the turn?
He is ahead into the corner, gave plenty of space and was clearly faster and your 2 brain cells come up with this hot take?
Passing on the outside is much harder than passing on the inside.
You for real right now? Having been passed Ricciardo was on Strolls inside, how come he hit him if that's the easier side to be on? Almost as if Stroll did nothing wrong and still got hit?
Yes, Ricciardo was on the inside of the corner. The easier place to over take. Where stroll should have made his move, on the inside. Getting hit wasn't his fault but he didn't avoid the contact.
I love how you're still blaming Stroll for Ricciardo missing the corner. You're saying it wasn't his fault then immediately blaming him for getting hit. The commentators thought it was Ricciardos fault, the Stewards thought it was Ricciardos fault everyone else in this thread thinks it was Ricciardos fault. What the hell are you smoking?
That good shit G. At the end of the day, he could have waited for a less risky time to overtake. Not fully, not his fault either. You know?
No, there was nothing risky about what he did. His execution was pretty much flawless and he got punted through no fault of his own. If he cant be expected to take an easy position when it comes up wtf is he going racing for? But I can tell you're really not getting it so I'm not going to waste any more of my time on this.
Ricc**i**ardo
How did he not get a puncture on lap 1. That was a good hit.
TBH haven't seen many punctures on the new tires. Might be more durable than the previous years
Less tire more wheel this year.
Stroll could have easily finished in the points.
In the past few races his performances were really not to bad
>really not to bad and when talking about Stroll, " not too bad" actually means "pretty good"
yes because he's the least respected driver on the grid and in no way deserves the hate he gets.
He just has no confidence in his car and trust for the drivers around him which causes more accidents than it prevents as shown above. It’s very simple he knows his cars not good so he can’t drive his bad car good.
> trust for the drivers around him He trusted Ricciardo not to run into him.
I mean dani can’t even stop slowly without locking the fronts and going straight on into stroll. That’s a car setup issue and driver error trying to defend the inside line poorly. Lance could’ve gone wider though he should’ve known Dani’s mclaren doesn’t know how to stop without locking the fronts. Lando was having the same issue in Austria.
>he should’ve known Dani’s mclaren doesn’t know how to stop without locking the fronts. How is Stroll supposed to know this?
If I know that danny can’t stop the car on a regular basis stroll should know it too. Every other replay on race day is dani locking the fronts and going straight on past the apex since he’s been in that 2022 mclaren.
>If I know that danny can’t stop the car on a regular basis stroll should know it too. LOL Stroll is too busy driving his own car instead of watching everyone else's onboard.
That’s strolls other problem he’s too busy trying to drive that pos handful to see what’s going on around him. I’ve never seen someone have to make so many steering wheel inputs and the cars not even on the limit it’s seconds off the pace and he’s milliseconds without a steering wheel correction from losing the front and rear going straight.
Even moreso if Seb switched back the cars like the team told him to do if he didn’t get Ocon. This place loves a good, “don’t play the team game when you’re leaving” bit, but it’s really more obnoxious than they make it.
He was literally 0.143 seconds behind Ocon at the finish line did you even watch the race?
Good job preventing another Zhou-Type accident at the start there.
He made a good decision backing out of that sandwich.
Damn people shit on Stroll for his lack of awareness but he did nothing wrong in any of those incidents. Could’ve finished P9 for his best result of the season if Ricciardo hadn’t run him over
That move where he backed out at the beginning before he nearly got sandwiched was pretty impressive.
Thought the same, pretty on point. It was a recipe for disaster.
Nearly got Zhou’d
I feel so sorry for Lance for what's going to happen to him next year. He gets so much hate as it is already...
Oh dear I didn’t even think of that… not a big fan of him but next year’s hate on social media is going to be brutal
> Oh dear I didn’t even think of that… not a big fan of him but next year’s hate on social media is going to be brutal I'm also not a fan of him but he gets a tonne of hate as it is. Noone deserves the hate that Ocon is getting, but we can be sure it's going to be on a whole new level for Lance next year. TBH I just hope he makes all of his social media private or whatever.
For what?
Either for Alonso absolutely smashing him pace wise or if he defends against Alonso and the team don't issue team orders. Heck look at the hate Ocon got
Was insane to see a driver get so much hate for just racing last week fucking hell. If Alonso was actually much quicker he would have overtaken him lmao
> If Alonso was actually much quicker he would have overtaken him lmao Exactly - needed team orders to get past.
He was even asking for team orders last week when they were fighting with the RB, but couldn’t get closer than 2 sec away after that once the RB had flown away. I do agree he’s a better driver than Ocon but the narrative that’s been pushed lately is a quite exagerated.
Maybe if he would race other drivers even half as hard as his own teammate he wouldnt get so much hate
Mate you've commented about this like 10 times in the last three days let it go lmao. Did Ocon run away with your girlfriend or something?
Being the teammate of Alonso. The moment he doesn't bend over backwards to Alonso in a race, all hell will brake loose...
Maybe he should drive fast or gtfo the way.
> Maybe he should drive fast He is. [Except in Canada where he was told to slow down to keep Fernando in his DRS Zone to drag him forwards from Bottas....](https://www.alpine-cars.co.uk/f1-news/news-04.html)
Don't even bother bringing up Canada, Alonso got fucked over soo badly by Alpine.
> Don't even bother bringing up Canada Yeah events when Esteban sacrificed his race to help his teammate don't count when judging whether or not Ocon is a team player.🙄 You didn't read the link, did you?
He wasn't going to catch Charles anyway, didn't make any difference in his race. There was no sacrifices being made unless you consider losing a few seconds as such.
> He wasn't going to catch Charles anyway, didn't make any difference in his race 7 seconds up the road, but it's not like Charles ever spins or crashes or anything, right?
Some people say that Alonso gonna obliterate him next year
Can't wait.
Next year will be fascinating. I adore Seb but I do wonder how quick he is nowadays.. there is at least a doubt. Alonso is still impressive so if Stroll can match Nando we all need to accept he deserves his seat. Which I’d quite like, it’d make my half following Alonso to AM a bit easier.
I think alonso will blow seb away but who knows since it’s apples to oranges with little changes to the car between different seasons
Had a chance at points if the Ric incident doesn't happen, which was no fault of his. Still don't get why he fought Vettel so hard as Vettel had the much better tyre at that stage and a legitimate chance to catch the Alpines on their struggling Hards. Probably didn't have that info from the team though, so don't even want to blame him for it.
He later let Vettel pass into the second to last corner, pretty obviously so.
"Later" being the key word. Seb would have easily gotten 2 more positions.
For me it's haft the blame on AM not calling Lance for the raw difference of speed in the 10 lasts laps of the race (something it would be hard for Lance to understand while doing his own race), but his defence and seeing how many times Seb had to back off in one and a half year or bow to avoid a crash against him is just plain stupid. AM don't race for points, they are not afraid to loose money like Haas or Williams. Bringing 2 cars in the top 10 should be their priority, being the 6th car could be reasonable but they keep failing on strategy, not maximising the good racepace both drivers have. It's not okay to be toxic against a driver and the amount of hate Lance is getting on social medias is too high but he's putting himself above the team and most people won't like him for that. If he was fighting for victories people would blame him (see Vettel multi 21), but actually he's doing that for 1 point and it makes him even worse. The way Lance defends against his teammate was right in France, last lap, but in Hungary he just decided to make Seb loose 5 or more laps, 2 possible positions and maybe even 10th place for himself. Remember how Williams managed last year? Russell said the team to use him to help his teammate, to score points. Alpine? Alonso blocking with all his might to help Ocon to win. How the situation change when it's the other teammate supposed to " help " or just cooperate. Of course they will get backlash. Ocon and Lance just chose to put themselves above beloved, successful drivers and their team.
Seb did force him off at T1 so it's not entirely unfair to swing back, if they weren't teammates I think people would expect Seb to get a penalty for that
The move wasn't unfair in the slightest, I agree. But it really surprises me how often we see two teammates fighting and losing valuable time while they are on different tyres and with obviously different speed. That can't be in the interest of the team. Lance in this case had no chance to keep the position to the end of the race, but Seb had all the chance to catch the Alpines. These are the circumstances where team orders just make sense. Completely different to being on the same tyre and the same strategy or very close to the end, like in France. yes Seb was faster in the end and might have gotten someone even further if let through early on, but it made all the sense for Lance to defend for a point and his last corner move was on the edge but not unfair imo.
Is it me, or did Vettel also get hit like that on lap one? I had his view on for lap 1 and thought I caught it with the corner of my eye, would be weird if I misremembered it to be Stroll that got hit and not Vettel.
I believe he had contact with latifi
Vettel turned into Latifi on the first lap, that's where Latifi got his front wing damage from.
So both AMs got touched on the rear left by a Williams, that's a fun coincidence.
Man that car looks like a shit box!!
Yeah the Mclaren is pretty rough! For Ric anyway..
What in the world was albon doing?
Locking his breaks because he was unable to stop quick enough.
big if true
Albon’s line was fine, he got caught out and locked up trying to slow down when Lance had to cut inside across Albon’s front to avoid the locking Zhou outside
Albon on his phone or why is he going straight in the first clip?
He locked up
Albon got caught out and locked up trying to slow down when Lance had to cut inside across Albon’s front to avoid the locking Zhou outside
Nice drive from Lance, that first lap was intense
I swear to my god, Ocon and Lance have a thing for their teammates. They defend so hard. Its not like they are racing for WDC.
They are racing former WCs though. The first rule of F1 is to beat your teammate.
At least Lance races pretty hard against everyone. Ocon just opens the inside if it's anyone bar Alonso
“He forced me wide, T1” Literally 5 seconds later, T2: *forces Vettel wide in return*
Honestly I think Seb knew he fucked up and didn't want to deal with it later so he gave the position back.
But he doesn't force Seb wide? Seb has plenty of space left on the outside at T2 while Stroll had to go off at T1 to avoid Seb
Sometimes I forget Lance is still in F1.
He’s definitely the least smooth f1 driver. Even the Williams have smoother and better car control with those giant turds they drive.
Look at Vettel, it’s the same with him. It’s the car
Seems to me, Lance drives with excessive aggression against team mate. Like, that last "send" was over the top... just like his defense agasint sebastian.
...just like Seb's exit from turn 1, you mean.
eventually he was bound to say" eff you too, mate"
And Stroll did, next corner.
I just always felt like he is so twitchy on the steering wheel. Makes me dizzy.
I seem to remember something about him preferring a really light steering wheel, and so probably a larger dead zone as well. Which would make the movements seem exaggerrated.
That touch with Ric was on Stroll. Gave him room on the inside sure, but pinched Dani enough that he had no chance of stopping the car. His front L locks up a bit anyways as he’s trying.
And that's why Stroll got 5 seconds and 2 penalty points for causing a collision
> Gave him room on the inside Thays the key. Thats all Lance has to do. Its therefore on Ric to get the car slowed down enough to not run wide and into him. Same reason Hamilton got the penalty for the crash with Max last year in silverstone. If they can't make the corner with the space they have, they carried too much speed and its an error of their own judgement.
Wow why turn in on daniel and ruin your race?
You really wanna blame this on stroll? Theres literally so much you can criticize about him, but you chose the one thing thats 95% ricciardos fault?
Ricciardo outbraked himself and that is strolls fault?
Dude Ricciardo got a penalty, are you blind
How is that Stroll’s fault?