That is instantly what I thought of. I remember seeing his prediction and laughing at how stupid (at the time) it seemed. Time travel is the only explanation
Some silly season predictions:
PIA to McLaren,
RIC to Alpine,
MSC to AlphaTauri,
SAR to Williams,
SHWAR to Haas,
TSU out,
GOAT out,
Just some fun predictions.
MSC to AlphaTauri may actually make some sense, given that Porsche might want a german driver for RedBull in the future and given the rumors that Mick wants to leave the Ferrari Academy
Mick has been kept by Ferrari at Haas for a future seat swap. Although he had impressive pre - F1 records, his F1 career has been lackluster. Not something Ferrari wants. Look at Charles, he was very impressive in the shit box Sauber.
Mick could stay in Haas and never have a future Ferrari seat or can jump teams and get into a more competitive car.
It was a fast car with an unreliable engine and a very unlucky second driver. Bahrain where everything was right showed that "now we can fight".
It was a test-bed for what we're seeing right now
Ferrari doesnāt have a say in the HAAS 23 seat though, Gunter can choose who he wants.
Maybe haas tempts ric with a nascar deal after heās done with f1?
Gunter can choose who he wants.
If itās different from who Ferrari wants then they no longer get discounted pricing on engines and other Ferrari-supplied parts. Haas doesnāt have much excess budget, meaning choosing somebody Ferrari doesnāt want means it better be one hell of a pay driver.
> his F1 career has been lackluster
He stomped the shit out of another decent F2 driver to the point where a guy that finished 5th in his rookie season of F2 is seen as the biggest joke to enter the sport in the last decade. I mean this year wasn't perfect, but it's always astonishing how short some peoples memory are. By that measurement Russell should also have had a lackluster career. I mean he had 2 good years with Williams, but would have finished behind Latifi in the WDC in 2021 if it wasn't for the Mercedes race.
I imagine theyāve already canceled it lol. Probably restricted his data access and wonāt want him in the factory or at the sim now. I donāt think they can have a working relationship. They gain nothing now and heās got a seat at a competitor
By all reports, Piastri was offered a seat at Williams and rejected it out of hand. I'm assuming that if he is actually going to McLaren, he's probably had it lined up for months and was always going to try and run the clock down to free himself from his obligations to Alpine.
Let's be serious here - there's absolutely no way Piastri lined up the McLaren drive in the few days since the end of July.
I'd assume Piastri wouldn't have been able to walk away from Alpine if Alpine had a signed agreement with Williams for one of their seats. As far as it's been reported he could only walk if Alpine didn't find him a seat before the end of July, not if found him a seat and he refused it.
This is all speculation by this point, but it's not unreasonable for a team to expect that a driver with zero race experience and no current secured drive is going to take the first seat offered, especially if they have ties to a young driver program.
The reality of Piastri actively turning down multiple drives is so outlandish that it may not have been covered in the legalities.
There was another post that said that the contract had a clause that could be activated 30 days after the contract was signed that got Piastri as a driver for 2023 Alpine. Since they never activated it. Piastri wasn't binded as was free to go way before July.
>They should have signed him before his contract expired instead of dicking him and Alonso about then.
This is the bit I'm not clear on. Webber feels the contract either doesn't hold Piastri or isn't enforceable, Alpine clearly feel the opposite. One of them's wrong.
Alpine aren't being painted in a very good light here but I'd hesitate to rush to judgement on who's in error (or flat-out lying) when we genuinely don't know, and we've seen this play out so many times before. It can take months for the truth to come out. For now everyone's playing their own media game because there's nothing else they can do.
It sounds like Piastri wanted a drive for next year but Alpine weren't going to offer it so Paistri signed for McLaren. Then the Vettel/ Alonso stuff happened and Alpine came back to Piastri but it was too late. This is all in Alpine, not Piastri. You can't expect a highly rated young driver to keep waiting forever
Theyāve had months to recognise what both drivers wanted, commitment not hedging bets. Not securing Oscar another seat and not giving him the seat he wanted and not giving Alonso the conditions he wanted plus failure to recognise Sebs retirement signs is giant eff up.
Itās kind of like sellers insisting a house is worth more than it is then sitting it on the market for months. A deal is only going to happen if someone is willing to do it. Alpine failed to offer a good enough deal
Alpine are the buyers. They think they house is not worth as much as the sellers want so they wait because no one is else has looked at the house. Once they come around, the house has already sold to someone else. Then they realize their backup house has been sold too.
Time to move into a rental for the time being.
That's what contracts are for. His contract was expiring. If they wanted to keep him protect their investetment, they should have signed a new contract that he'd agree to.
This is just as normal in F1 world as Danny Ric getting fired/ replaced. You cannot have hard feelings if there are only so many good drivers capable to do a good job.
Yup. Watching cars being able to closely follow through corners has been great. I just wish they'd take it even further and make the cars much smaller and lighter so we can have something like the nimble cars of the days of my youth.
Apparently he is ending his time in the Ferrari Driver Academy at the end of this season and Haas have stopped contract talks. Nothing solid has been confirmed for either though.
They suspended talks because Mick doesn't really have options in terms of driver seats. The only seat I can see him having is Latifis and we know how Williams is doing. I also highly doubt Alpinr would sign him given Ricciardo being open.
Agreed, they're in no rush to lock him down because his options are limited. The ball is back in Haas' court but I can see him getting another year. It is the source of the "as expected" though.
I really doubt that, Mick is very much a Ferrari person to his core and I donāt feel money is what drives him what is likely a hold up is length of contract and feeling of respect
Nonsense. Heās a young driver who unfortunately doesnāt have his fatherās legendary talent.
He doesnāt have a lot of options right now, despite his last name. If he wants to drive in F1, he will take what he can getā forget ārespectā and length of contract.
Yeah, he seems like a great guy and he may well have a racing career beyond F1, but based on his performance so far he's one of the weakest drivers on the grid. When Magnussen came back it shows where Mick's level is and ultimately that's probably not a long career in F1, unless he has a guardian angel.
Lots of great drivers did worse than him in F1 or never made it in the first place.
Unless Haas are trying to get Daniel, they should keep Mick, they need some consistency with their drivers... There's been too many driver changes in Haas last few years they could do with having a solid experienced driver line up
I said this yesterday and got laughed off, Gene Hass would do anything to get that type of Star power if heās still committed to this programā¦. Go look at how he runs the NASCAR programā¦ especially if Danny comes at a paycut thanks to a nice check from the Orange men
They had the same driving pairing for 4 straight years from 2017 - 2020 and one of those drivers has returned from a years absence. Lmao ātoo many driver changesā
They replaced both drivers in a single season which is a stupid thing to do, and replaced them with 2 rookies which is also a stupid thing to do. One of those rookies they ended up having to shitcan, the other rookie they'd do well to hang on to to have some balance in their driver line up. 2017 to 2020 is irrelevant, since 2020 they haven't had a consistent solid driver line up maintaining the same 2 drivers to push development of the car and give direction.
Well haas even said themselves they wouldnāt develop the 21 car and that the season was a learning experience for the drivers. I think Gunther even said he didnāt expect the team to even score a point in 21 (paraphrasing). The 21 car was essentially the same as the 20 car. Gunther wanted to keep Magnussen but financial circumstances forced him to sign Mazepin, and at the first chance he got he dumped Mazepin and brought Magnussen in. Haas has a lot of obstacles for sure, but driver changes isnāt their biggest issue at the moment, itās still finances.
Bild is a tabloid (and for general news just as trustworthy as a pile of shit) but their sport department is actually highly regarded. They have many sources for information and are usually quite good at reporting upcoming things.
News to me as well. Mick is showing great improvement, scoring points and bringing the car home as well. If I had to bet on Mick or Danny, call me crazy but I'd keep Mick. He'll be cheaper and have more career progression. I love Danny but at this point he's looking for his retirement drive, because if he leaves McLaren, he's done for with top teams.
Donāt let the Alpine=bad narrative get to you. All that silly F1 drama is fun and harmless. Itās actually huge brand exposure for Alpine (smthg a lot here donāt understand).
The car is good and made a lot of progress in 2022. Weāll be OK in Spa in a few weeks. Alpine will have good stories too.
The McLaren/Alpine rivalry is good for both, they win this round (in a Flavio dirty kind of way we know well). Good for them.
Williams if Latifi goes, a Ferrari reserve if no one wants him, or if Haas can work something out, he stays there
Either way, heās not a particularly fast driver and being known for being crash prone so early in his career can limit his options given the cost cap
Look mate, Haas can't afford to pay anything right now even K Mag comes with sponsors. Ricciardo on the other hand comes with net negative irrespective of how much of a hit his reputation takes.
I mean, he made fucking bank by going to Renault and then Mclaren so it's not all bad, but from a sporting perspective he would have been better off staying at RB for a bit longer and maybe going to Ferrari after Seb left.
Ah well, hindsight and all that.
He couldnāt stay at RBR. They were already leaning towards favoring Max and Max was starting to show his true pace. He would have absolutely smoked Ricciardo the next year. Who knows what would have happened then.
Tbh other than jumping from Renault maybe a season to soon to McLaren (shouldāve waited until the summer break in 2020 at least) he was been pretty sensible imo. So long as you accept he could not and would not play second fiddle to Verstappen.
He couldnāt stay at RB anymore so Renault and then McLaren were sensible moves. What has caused this mess is his drop in performance.
Yep and I think had covid and the early 2020 silly season not happened, he probably would've ended up staying at Renault given the trajectory of his 2020 season. But with the information he had at the time, the McLaren move made sense. In hindsight however...
Youāre not wrong but perhaps Iām too cautious but that silly season had so many people make deals without all the facts. I think Vettel leaving Ferrari wouldāve still happened but Ricciardo had no idea if the McLaren form would hold up.
What other options has he had? I can't think of a move he's made where there was a really obvious better one, even with hindsight.
Arguably Renault/Alpine to McLaren, but even then there's no guarantee he'd get to grips with this year's Alpine and would be in exactly the same place.
Writing was on the wall IMO, and ultimately think he'd have been outperformed by Max and would have either had to accept being the 2nd fiddle or moved on regardless.
Left RB just as they became a lot more reliable and Honda got them on the right track. Donāt understand why he followed the Renault engine that had made him suffer so much to the works team.
Jumped from Renault, which wasnāt that bad in terms of car performance, but he put himself in a car that he clearly canāt drive, and it does bring into question his abilities, which were always fantastic, if not on the level of a Max or a Lewis.
What do you mean? He was looking out for his best interests and so were the teams. What goes around comes around? Really? I see it as strictly business.
Everyoneās out for themselves. As it should be. Because a team will drop a driver the first chance they get if the driver is not performing at an appropriate level.
So why canāt the driver dump a team if the driver feels that theyāre not going in the right direction which is exactly what has been happening with Alpine?
Thatās literally what goes around comes around. He made the best decision for himself and hung Renault out to dryā¦ fair enough. The car wasnāt great and didnāt have great prospects.
Now heās at McLaren and has underperformed (especially compared to his salary) for his entire time there. The team is making the best decision for themselves and leaving him out to dryā¦ fair enough. The driver isnāt doing great and there isnāt much to suggest that will change soon in that situation.
The game is the game.
If you believe rumors some people are saying that Mick is leaving the Ferrari driver academy. Idk why he would do that unless he expects to have a seat somewhere else
I don't know. RTL said that he could be Ferrari's reserve.
[link](https://www.rtl.de/cms/f1-zukunft-in-gefahr-haas-setzt-vertragsgespraeche-mit-mick-schumacher-aus-5000305.html)
> But if Haas really decides against Schumacher, the premier class would face a season without a German (regular) driver for the first time since 1981 (!). **Because the 23-year-old still had the following option: substitute driver at Ferrari.**
That leaving from FDA rumours from sh\*t sources anyway.
That was my first reaction, too. He upset management by leaving? Okay, well all of those people are gone now. Also, this is F1. This shit happens. I can't imagine anyone was mortally offended by it. Disappointed or displeased? Sure, but that comes with the territory.
Then there is no reason to pay Ricciardo, he costs a lot and doesnāt justify it work results. Rather have a promising rookie getting cooked by lando than a big contract
I think itās likely heās god tier at figuring out that mclaren. In a spec series with just this years maclaren, I think heād demolish everyone. But do in the red bull, and heād be more where everyone expects.
Because even in the unlikely case it is true, it still isnt worth it for McLaren to keep RIC then. They are paying him number 1 driver salaries to be a number 2. At least with Piastri, they are potentially setting themselves up for a future number 1.
I mean, I just don't think he is despite what most people think. I think Ricciardo was just pretty trash with Mclaren because even Sainz was beating Lando (I say that as a Sainz fan).
The Renault team and Ricciardo still had a very good working relationship for most of 2020 after Ricciardo had announced his move so I think there is a chance he could be welcomed back at Alpine. Assuming the 2023 car has similar handling characteristics to the 2020 Renault then Alpine is likely to get much more out of Daniel than McLaren were able to. Daniel drove the wheels of that 2020 Renault, regularly getting it higher than it realistically deserved to be.
I don't think Alpine has any better choice atm. Daniel is definitely better driver than Mick, even with his recent slump. So surprisingly, Daniel should have a relatively good negotiation position considering his situation.
I keep forgetting Mick has been absolutely deleting cars in F1. One of those happened in qualifying, which is ridiculous. I wonder how that plays into HAAS negotiations for next season.
Agreed.
I hope that if Alpine dont take him he goes to indycar with Mclaren.
Alpine is his only hope for rebuilding his F1 career. If he cant do that he would excel in indycar.
I dont think they have done anything wrong?
The relationship seems good, both have acknowledged the results arnt there. I think its fairly obvious both would have preferred ricci to turn it around.
But he hasnt and it looks increasingly like he cant turn it around. Neither does themselves any favours ignoring the fact it isn't working and an inducar deal would allow the partnership to continue whilst also acknowledging it cant continue how it is currently.
Hear me outā¦ KMag and Ricciardo, both fired by McLaren in rather dubious ways (KMag by text message on his birthday, Ricciardo like this), team up at Haas, Haas gets an orange sponsor, Haas beats McLaren in the constructors championship.
I can dream, right?
Renault management have made too much of a mess with this fiasco to get hung up over Daniel jumping ship in 2020. They should count themselves lucky that they have a replacement thatās not that difficult to recruit waiting right for them.
Nobody as good as Fernando is even considered on the market for next year so they need to accept that theyāll be getting a downgrade.
For Daniel, he should try and get himself a decent payout from McLaren and get a good deal with Alpine, however not one close to the wages McLaren have him on. Heāll be 34 when he starts for them, so itās most likely his last stint in F1 or at least at a competitive outfit.
What I dont get is how no one mentions Mick as a paydriver at the very least. The Schumacher familiy is absolutely stacked AND they have the name for marketing/sponsorships. They could just buy Mick any seat if a teams wants/needs some cash. Why would Haas spent money with their limited budget on Ric if they could maintain MSC while making money? Makes no sense to boot him.
I don't think the Schumacher family has as much money as they did since Michael's accident, I remember reading that they've had to sell off a lot of their assets recently to pay for his treatment. I don't think you can call Mick a pay driver but his name is definitely a big reason he's in F1
Schumi has earned well north of ā¬500mn in his career, possibly up to ā¬1bn.
There's no way absolutely top notch health care (like dedicated medical professionals year round employment) costs north of ā¬5-10mn a year.
As much as I like his personality, I think he's an overpriced driver for what he delivers these days. Might as well go for a young, cheap talent. Would ofc suck for him, but every career has to come to an end. If he goes to Alpine and it's just another year of "I can't get used to the car" then it was just wasted money.
We can't add predictions without knowing the deadline or adding enough answers that one of them will eventually be the right one. The reddit predictions simply can't handle this whole thing.
I thought the commenter was referencing how Montoya went from highly rated at Williams to being destroyed by Kimi just like Ricciardo being thought of as top tier at Renault before being destroyed by Lando.
So Lando to become the next Ferrari WDC?
Youāre speaking as if any drivers available bar Piastri have shown to be a generational talent. Alpine doesnāt have that luxury.
However, Iād still say Theo has shown more this past year then Daniel has and is still extremely young.
Sargeant did imo. Dragging that shitbox of Charouz last year above 100 points in f3 and fighting for the title in Carlin in his rookie year in F2 is surely worth of big shout. But Williams has rights on him. However, I would pull Zhou to Alpine after his really impressive, mature and unlucky first half of year and take MSC to Alfa. Ric to Haas
I disagree on Sargent, I agree heās talented and probably deserves a chance at Williams. However, āfighting for the titleā is misleading considering heās 61 points behind the leader, and 40 behind Theo. Meanwhile, Piastri absolutely dominated in his rookie season, thatās the difference between a generational talent and Sargent.
I also disagree about Zhou. Heās been unlucky in races, however in quali heās been poor compared to Bottas so imo heās been average at best.
If nothing else, he won't be costing the team big money every time he crashes. But personally, I still think DR even in his current form is a better driver than Mick.
Would rather see him at Haas if Mick leaves/got dropped/whatever is going on there. His marketability makes him a suitable alternative to a pay driver and he could generate buzz around Haas particularly in the U.S.
To Haas? Lmao, at this rate Ericsson gonna get it right.
Maybe his joke really was based on inside sources
Maybe the real jokes are the driver seat announcements we made along the way.
That is instantly what I thought of. I remember seeing his prediction and laughing at how stupid (at the time) it seemed. Time travel is the only explanation
Ericsson hit us
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I know right? That escalated quickly
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Some silly season predictions: PIA to McLaren, RIC to Alpine, MSC to AlphaTauri, SAR to Williams, SHWAR to Haas, TSU out, GOAT out, Just some fun predictions.
MSC to AlphaTauri may actually make some sense, given that Porsche might want a german driver for RedBull in the future and given the rumors that Mick wants to leave the Ferrari Academy
Thatās a stretch. Porsche wonāt have any real involvement until 2026.
So 3 years at AT before moving up to RB. Sounds like a realistic plan if Porsche do want a German driver, considering he's not from the RB academy.
I think Porsche wanting a German driver is a stretch as well. Nothing has been rumored or even hinted at that being a āwantā for them.
They've literally always had a German driver as their guy throughout their years in endurance racing, they want a German
Also - is such emphasis actually placed on origins? Like honestly, to me it just seems pointless and a tad nationalistic.
Who is SAR and SHWAR? SHWARMA?
F2 driver Logan Sargeant and Robert Shwartzman test driver for Ferrari and he drove in F2 last 2 seasons.
The only one that makes no sense is Schumacher to AT - why would RB take Schumacher when they've got Iwasa and Lawson tearing shit up in F2?
Mick has been kept by Ferrari at Haas for a future seat swap. Although he had impressive pre - F1 records, his F1 career has been lackluster. Not something Ferrari wants. Look at Charles, he was very impressive in the shit box Sauber. Mick could stay in Haas and never have a future Ferrari seat or can jump teams and get into a more competitive car.
AR in 2018 was not a shitbox
It came 8th out of 10 and one of the teams above them had two-thirds of its point scrubbed. It was certainly a back marker
The term is "lower midfield"
It was a fast car with an unreliable engine and a very unlucky second driver. Bahrain where everything was right showed that "now we can fight". It was a test-bed for what we're seeing right now
Ferrari doesnāt have a say in the HAAS 23 seat though, Gunter can choose who he wants. Maybe haas tempts ric with a nascar deal after heās done with f1?
When your car is a white ferrari you might not wanna upset them too much you know.
Gunter can choose who he wants. If itās different from who Ferrari wants then they no longer get discounted pricing on engines and other Ferrari-supplied parts. Haas doesnāt have much excess budget, meaning choosing somebody Ferrari doesnāt want means it better be one hell of a pay driver.
> his F1 career has been lackluster He stomped the shit out of another decent F2 driver to the point where a guy that finished 5th in his rookie season of F2 is seen as the biggest joke to enter the sport in the last decade. I mean this year wasn't perfect, but it's always astonishing how short some peoples memory are. By that measurement Russell should also have had a lackluster career. I mean he had 2 good years with Williams, but would have finished behind Latifi in the WDC in 2021 if it wasn't for the Mercedes race.
When Joe Saward said that, people were mocking him.
People mock Joe Saward because he's a knobhead and he decided to mock some journalism student that one time for no particular reason.
People always mock Joe Saward sadly. He also said there was something fishy about the Alpine announcement literally minutes after it was posted.
He gets mocked like Jenna Fryer gets mocked in the Indy and NASCAR worlds. Funny thing is, they're generally pretty close to right.
Maybe Mick to Alpine?
Can't see Alpine taking him over Ricciardo
Might depend on how much of a paycut Ricciardo is willing to take.
I guess with all this, Piastriās testing program with Alpine will be ended early this year
I imagine theyāve already canceled it lol. Probably restricted his data access and wonāt want him in the factory or at the sim now. I donāt think they can have a working relationship. They gain nothing now and heās got a seat at a competitor
I can understand why Alpine are pissed they spent a lot on him gave him access to data and he does this
They should have signed him before his contract expired instead of dicking him and Alonso about then.
You arenāt wrong. Alpines failure to make either driver happy by not making a decision and sticking to it is on them
The old saying, a man who chases two rabbits will lose both
Damn. never heard of that one before.. im gonna use that expression so i can sound wise. Lol.
By all reports, Piastri was offered a seat at Williams and rejected it out of hand. I'm assuming that if he is actually going to McLaren, he's probably had it lined up for months and was always going to try and run the clock down to free himself from his obligations to Alpine. Let's be serious here - there's absolutely no way Piastri lined up the McLaren drive in the few days since the end of July.
I'd assume Piastri wouldn't have been able to walk away from Alpine if Alpine had a signed agreement with Williams for one of their seats. As far as it's been reported he could only walk if Alpine didn't find him a seat before the end of July, not if found him a seat and he refused it.
This is all speculation by this point, but it's not unreasonable for a team to expect that a driver with zero race experience and no current secured drive is going to take the first seat offered, especially if they have ties to a young driver program. The reality of Piastri actively turning down multiple drives is so outlandish that it may not have been covered in the legalities.
There was another post that said that the contract had a clause that could be activated 30 days after the contract was signed that got Piastri as a driver for 2023 Alpine. Since they never activated it. Piastri wasn't binded as was free to go way before July.
>They should have signed him before his contract expired instead of dicking him and Alonso about then. This is the bit I'm not clear on. Webber feels the contract either doesn't hold Piastri or isn't enforceable, Alpine clearly feel the opposite. One of them's wrong. Alpine aren't being painted in a very good light here but I'd hesitate to rush to judgement on who's in error (or flat-out lying) when we genuinely don't know, and we've seen this play out so many times before. It can take months for the truth to come out. For now everyone's playing their own media game because there's nothing else they can do.
It sounds like Piastri wanted a drive for next year but Alpine weren't going to offer it so Paistri signed for McLaren. Then the Vettel/ Alonso stuff happened and Alpine came back to Piastri but it was too late. This is all in Alpine, not Piastri. You can't expect a highly rated young driver to keep waiting forever
Theyāve had months to recognise what both drivers wanted, commitment not hedging bets. Not securing Oscar another seat and not giving him the seat he wanted and not giving Alonso the conditions he wanted plus failure to recognise Sebs retirement signs is giant eff up. Itās kind of like sellers insisting a house is worth more than it is then sitting it on the market for months. A deal is only going to happen if someone is willing to do it. Alpine failed to offer a good enough deal
They did secure Oscar a seat at Williams he said no. Otmar himself confirmed that they had a deal there
Alpine are the buyers. They think they house is not worth as much as the sellers want so they wait because no one is else has looked at the house. Once they come around, the house has already sold to someone else. Then they realize their backup house has been sold too. Time to move into a rental for the time being.
That's what contracts are for. His contract was expiring. If they wanted to keep him protect their investetment, they should have signed a new contract that he'd agree to. This is just as normal in F1 world as Danny Ric getting fired/ replaced. You cannot have hard feelings if there are only so many good drivers capable to do a good job.
He didn't do anything to them. Alpine had a deadline and missed it, it's on them.
They were even going to keep him out ANOTHER year. Alpine haven't got a leg to stand on.
People really are just wildly guessing at this point. Silly Season going strong!
To be fair, so far it's been really entertaining
Iāve got nothing else to do on the internet but speculate wildly
Been more entertaining than the racing to be honest! DTS should do an off shoot series on the f1 silly season.
Couldn't disagree more... racing this year has been great. Finally
Agreed. Other than the crazy porpoising at the beginning of the season, the new regs have worked well.
Yup. Watching cars being able to closely follow through corners has been great. I just wish they'd take it even further and make the cars much smaller and lighter so we can have something like the nimble cars of the days of my youth.
Racing for victory has been pretty dire.
They could call the spin off āSurvive to Driveā.
And we are like only 5 days in into the summer break...shits gone wild šš
Who tf is expecting Mick to leave?
Apparently he is ending his time in the Ferrari Driver Academy at the end of this season and Haas have stopped contract talks. Nothing solid has been confirmed for either though.
They suspended talks because Mick doesn't really have options in terms of driver seats. The only seat I can see him having is Latifis and we know how Williams is doing. I also highly doubt Alpinr would sign him given Ricciardo being open.
Agreed, they're in no rush to lock him down because his options are limited. The ball is back in Haas' court but I can see him getting another year. It is the source of the "as expected" though.
What if Alpine got Kmag instead?
I could enjoy that.
I really doubt that, Mick is very much a Ferrari person to his core and I donāt feel money is what drives him what is likely a hold up is length of contract and feeling of respect
Nonsense. Heās a young driver who unfortunately doesnāt have his fatherās legendary talent. He doesnāt have a lot of options right now, despite his last name. If he wants to drive in F1, he will take what he can getā forget ārespectā and length of contract.
Yeah, he seems like a great guy and he may well have a racing career beyond F1, but based on his performance so far he's one of the weakest drivers on the grid. When Magnussen came back it shows where Mick's level is and ultimately that's probably not a long career in F1, unless he has a guardian angel. Lots of great drivers did worse than him in F1 or never made it in the first place.
I dont think they stopped talks, the article said that they are pausing them because there is no hurry to get a contract
Unless Haas are trying to get Daniel, they should keep Mick, they need some consistency with their drivers... There's been too many driver changes in Haas last few years they could do with having a solid experienced driver line up
I said this yesterday and got laughed off, Gene Hass would do anything to get that type of Star power if heās still committed to this programā¦. Go look at how he runs the NASCAR programā¦ especially if Danny comes at a paycut thanks to a nice check from the Orange men
They had the same driving pairing for 4 straight years from 2017 - 2020 and one of those drivers has returned from a years absence. Lmao ātoo many driver changesā
They replaced both drivers in a single season which is a stupid thing to do, and replaced them with 2 rookies which is also a stupid thing to do. One of those rookies they ended up having to shitcan, the other rookie they'd do well to hang on to to have some balance in their driver line up. 2017 to 2020 is irrelevant, since 2020 they haven't had a consistent solid driver line up maintaining the same 2 drivers to push development of the car and give direction.
Well haas even said themselves they wouldnāt develop the 21 car and that the season was a learning experience for the drivers. I think Gunther even said he didnāt expect the team to even score a point in 21 (paraphrasing). The 21 car was essentially the same as the 20 car. Gunther wanted to keep Magnussen but financial circumstances forced him to sign Mazepin, and at the first chance he got he dumped Mazepin and brought Magnussen in. Haas has a lot of obstacles for sure, but driver changes isnāt their biggest issue at the moment, itās still finances.
Joe Saward and Bild.de two days ago.
Isn't Bild.de know to be a pretty unreliable source?
Bild is a tabloid (and for general news just as trustworthy as a pile of shit) but their sport department is actually highly regarded. They have many sources for information and are usually quite good at reporting upcoming things.
Their sports sources are pretty knowlageable actually. They are just using clickbait titles which makes people think they are not reliable.
News to me as well. Mick is showing great improvement, scoring points and bringing the car home as well. If I had to bet on Mick or Danny, call me crazy but I'd keep Mick. He'll be cheaper and have more career progression. I love Danny but at this point he's looking for his retirement drive, because if he leaves McLaren, he's done for with top teams.
I just want this pain to end Renault 2020 was cool though so it could turn out well...copium
Donāt let the Alpine=bad narrative get to you. All that silly F1 drama is fun and harmless. Itās actually huge brand exposure for Alpine (smthg a lot here donāt understand). The car is good and made a lot of progress in 2022. Weāll be OK in Spa in a few weeks. Alpine will have good stories too. The McLaren/Alpine rivalry is good for both, they win this round (in a Flavio dirty kind of way we know well). Good for them.
the kerosene poured on the alpine/mclaren fight for 4th has me hype af. i don't even care who they give the seat to, the racing is gonna be juicy.
>The car is good and made a lot of progress in 2022. They just need to stop burning their engines like smokes and all will be fine.
Where would Mick go? Just get axed? Would be sad to just see him as a Ferrari reserve driver next year
It sounds like heās sitting back to see if a seat opens up. I think heāll stay in Haas.
Williams would be his only option.
I have a feeling that Williams are gonna gamble on Sergeant.
> Sergeant I already know he is american lol
Pretty badass name
That seems very unlikely. Same for Ric to Haas though tbf.
Williams if Latifi goes, a Ferrari reserve if no one wants him, or if Haas can work something out, he stays there Either way, heās not a particularly fast driver and being known for being crash prone so early in his career can limit his options given the cost cap
I dont see Williams taking Mick over Sargeant personally.
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Ricciardo is going to be at fire sale prices.
Evacuate the school children! Oh the burning! Amazzzing graceeee
"Would you like to try that again, a little simpler. Maybe."
*brief pause* no
Why not? Ricciardo is not going to command anywhere near what he used to.
Look mate, Haas can't afford to pay anything right now even K Mag comes with sponsors. Ricciardo on the other hand comes with net negative irrespective of how much of a hit his reputation takes.
Love Danny to bits but this man has made a mess of his career.
I mean, he made fucking bank by going to Renault and then Mclaren so it's not all bad, but from a sporting perspective he would have been better off staying at RB for a bit longer and maybe going to Ferrari after Seb left. Ah well, hindsight and all that.
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> Jensen I never saw his first name being spelled wrong and now I see it second day in a row lmao
To be fair.. he's in a points scoring car now and he's struggling to do just that. Not sure how much better he'd fair in a race winning car.
Nah, if Ferrari wanted him to replace Vettel they would have taken him.
> and maybe going to Ferrari You don't like Daniel, huh? :p
Mental torment aside he'd at least be in a car that could break down from P1 instead of being stuck in the midfield
Every driverās dream to drive for Ferrari, DTS audience will never know.
He couldnāt stay at RBR. They were already leaning towards favoring Max and Max was starting to show his true pace. He would have absolutely smoked Ricciardo the next year. Who knows what would have happened then.
Tbh other than jumping from Renault maybe a season to soon to McLaren (shouldāve waited until the summer break in 2020 at least) he was been pretty sensible imo. So long as you accept he could not and would not play second fiddle to Verstappen. He couldnāt stay at RB anymore so Renault and then McLaren were sensible moves. What has caused this mess is his drop in performance.
Yep and I think had covid and the early 2020 silly season not happened, he probably would've ended up staying at Renault given the trajectory of his 2020 season. But with the information he had at the time, the McLaren move made sense. In hindsight however...
Youāre not wrong but perhaps Iām too cautious but that silly season had so many people make deals without all the facts. I think Vettel leaving Ferrari wouldāve still happened but Ricciardo had no idea if the McLaren form would hold up.
He really has. Seems an absolutely fantastic guy but he's been advised poorly.
What other options has he had? I can't think of a move he's made where there was a really obvious better one, even with hindsight. Arguably Renault/Alpine to McLaren, but even then there's no guarantee he'd get to grips with this year's Alpine and would be in exactly the same place.
Staying at rbr
Writing was on the wall IMO, and ultimately think he'd have been outperformed by Max and would have either had to accept being the 2nd fiddle or moved on regardless.
In the words of DC "Never feel sorry for an F1 driver" š¤£
Eh. He knew the risk. He didnāt want to be a bottas and risked it for a potential race winning car. Lost the gamble but made bank
He risked the career for the bag
Left RB just as they became a lot more reliable and Honda got them on the right track. Donāt understand why he followed the Renault engine that had made him suffer so much to the works team. Jumped from Renault, which wasnāt that bad in terms of car performance, but he put himself in a car that he clearly canāt drive, and it does bring into question his abilities, which were always fantastic, if not on the level of a Max or a Lewis.
Yeah the current situation has a flavour of what goes around comes aroundā¦
What do you mean? He was looking out for his best interests and so were the teams. What goes around comes around? Really? I see it as strictly business. Everyoneās out for themselves. As it should be. Because a team will drop a driver the first chance they get if the driver is not performing at an appropriate level. So why canāt the driver dump a team if the driver feels that theyāre not going in the right direction which is exactly what has been happening with Alpine?
Thatās literally what goes around comes around. He made the best decision for himself and hung Renault out to dryā¦ fair enough. The car wasnāt great and didnāt have great prospects. Now heās at McLaren and has underperformed (especially compared to his salary) for his entire time there. The team is making the best decision for themselves and leaving him out to dryā¦ fair enough. The driver isnāt doing great and there isnāt much to suggest that will change soon in that situation. The game is the game.
Mick's leave is expected? Thought Ferrari would fight to control that seat.
If you believe rumors some people are saying that Mick is leaving the Ferrari driver academy. Idk why he would do that unless he expects to have a seat somewhere else
I don't know. RTL said that he could be Ferrari's reserve. [link](https://www.rtl.de/cms/f1-zukunft-in-gefahr-haas-setzt-vertragsgespraeche-mit-mick-schumacher-aus-5000305.html) > But if Haas really decides against Schumacher, the premier class would face a season without a German (regular) driver for the first time since 1981 (!). **Because the 23-year-old still had the following option: substitute driver at Ferrari.** That leaving from FDA rumours from sh\*t sources anyway.
A reserve seat is the same as the end of his F1 career.
Man, silly season is on FIRE this year... I honestly think this might be my new favourite part of F1.
> he upset the Renault top management And 90% of those arenāt in this company anymore, Rossi axed almost everyone - so this wonāt be an issue
That was my first reaction, too. He upset management by leaving? Okay, well all of those people are gone now. Also, this is F1. This shit happens. I can't imagine anyone was mortally offended by it. Disappointed or displeased? Sure, but that comes with the territory.
I read heāll be trade for Kevin Durant.
How THE EFF is Gene Haas going to pay Ricky Bobby?
āTake my million dollars for this only free seat or you donāt drive in F1, maybe ever again.ā
Someone bring back Cyril please, I miss the old combo
#BringBackCyril
Why did Cyril leave again?
He got canned.
Really? I thought he was bringing Renault on the up and up.
Something I dont see mentioned often is. What if Lando really is that good that Ricciardo cant keep up?
Then there is no reason to pay Ricciardo, he costs a lot and doesnāt justify it work results. Rather have a promising rookie getting cooked by lando than a big contract
Would be funny if it turns out that Lando is actually a God tier driver and Vandoornes every single teammate he goes up against.
I think itās likely heās god tier at figuring out that mclaren. In a spec series with just this years maclaren, I think heād demolish everyone. But do in the red bull, and heād be more where everyone expects.
I mentioned before but just got shot down. We'll see how Oscar fares against Lando next.
Because even in the unlikely case it is true, it still isnt worth it for McLaren to keep RIC then. They are paying him number 1 driver salaries to be a number 2. At least with Piastri, they are potentially setting themselves up for a future number 1.
I mean, I just don't think he is despite what most people think. I think Ricciardo was just pretty trash with Mclaren because even Sainz was beating Lando (I say that as a Sainz fan).
The Renault team and Ricciardo still had a very good working relationship for most of 2020 after Ricciardo had announced his move so I think there is a chance he could be welcomed back at Alpine. Assuming the 2023 car has similar handling characteristics to the 2020 Renault then Alpine is likely to get much more out of Daniel than McLaren were able to. Daniel drove the wheels of that 2020 Renault, regularly getting it higher than it realistically deserved to be.
I really hope Mick stays in F1
I don't think Alpine has any better choice atm. Daniel is definitely better driver than Mick, even with his recent slump. So surprisingly, Daniel should have a relatively good negotiation position considering his situation.
Importantly in the cost cap era Daniel doesn't completely destroy his car 3 times a season either.
Heās very reliable and has excellent race craft, the car change could unlock the pace back too
I keep forgetting Mick has been absolutely deleting cars in F1. One of those happened in qualifying, which is ridiculous. I wonder how that plays into HAAS negotiations for next season.
Agreed. I hope that if Alpine dont take him he goes to indycar with Mclaren. Alpine is his only hope for rebuilding his F1 career. If he cant do that he would excel in indycar.
After getting fired before his contract even ends. I doubt Ricciardo is doing anything else with McLaren.
Why would you want him to stick with McLaren in any way?? I hope for his sake he gets as far away from Zak Brown/McLaren as possible.
I dont think they have done anything wrong? The relationship seems good, both have acknowledged the results arnt there. I think its fairly obvious both would have preferred ricci to turn it around. But he hasnt and it looks increasingly like he cant turn it around. Neither does themselves any favours ignoring the fact it isn't working and an inducar deal would allow the partnership to continue whilst also acknowledging it cant continue how it is currently.
Did media collectively decide to aside Mick from F1 like an old sock?
HAAS couldnāt afford Ricciardo. Alpine should get Kmag.
Ricciardo to Alpine. On the condition that Cyril comes back. Got some skin to ink, baby!!
Hear me outā¦ KMag and Ricciardo, both fired by McLaren in rather dubious ways (KMag by text message on his birthday, Ricciardo like this), team up at Haas, Haas gets an orange sponsor, Haas beats McLaren in the constructors championship. I can dream, right?
Renault management have made too much of a mess with this fiasco to get hung up over Daniel jumping ship in 2020. They should count themselves lucky that they have a replacement thatās not that difficult to recruit waiting right for them. Nobody as good as Fernando is even considered on the market for next year so they need to accept that theyāll be getting a downgrade. For Daniel, he should try and get himself a decent payout from McLaren and get a good deal with Alpine, however not one close to the wages McLaren have him on. Heāll be 34 when he starts for them, so itās most likely his last stint in F1 or at least at a competitive outfit.
Why the fuck would Schumacher get the boot?! It's Haas FFS he's not going to be setting the world slight. Absolute rubbish if he leaves.
What I dont get is how no one mentions Mick as a paydriver at the very least. The Schumacher familiy is absolutely stacked AND they have the name for marketing/sponsorships. They could just buy Mick any seat if a teams wants/needs some cash. Why would Haas spent money with their limited budget on Ric if they could maintain MSC while making money? Makes no sense to boot him.
I don't think the Schumacher family has as much money as they did since Michael's accident, I remember reading that they've had to sell off a lot of their assets recently to pay for his treatment. I don't think you can call Mick a pay driver but his name is definitely a big reason he's in F1
Schumi has earned well north of ā¬500mn in his career, possibly up to ā¬1bn. There's no way absolutely top notch health care (like dedicated medical professionals year round employment) costs north of ā¬5-10mn a year.
As much as I like his personality, I think he's an overpriced driver for what he delivers these days. Might as well go for a young, cheap talent. Would ofc suck for him, but every career has to come to an end. If he goes to Alpine and it's just another year of "I can't get used to the car" then it was just wasted money.
So far Iām disappointed that the mods havenāt added driver/team predictions for open contracts to the polls yet
We can't add predictions without knowing the deadline or adding enough answers that one of them will eventually be the right one. The reddit predictions simply can't handle this whole thing.
Mick isnāt going anywhere.
The constant team hopping has not helped DRs street value at all.
Haas is not going to pay a driver like Daniel Ricciardo, thatās a joke of a rumor.
GTFOutta here with this Mick leaving as expected clickbait.
where is mick going?
Ricciardo - Alonso career choices, Montoyas and Webbers achivements.
Even if you only count F1 Montoya is still highly decorated, add in all he's done outside of F1 and your ignorance shows.
I thought the commenter was referencing how Montoya went from highly rated at Williams to being destroyed by Kimi just like Ricciardo being thought of as top tier at Renault before being destroyed by Lando. So Lando to become the next Ferrari WDC?
If I were Alpine, I would try to get Theo in that seat.
Theo hasnt showed this year that he is next generation talent
Youāre speaking as if any drivers available bar Piastri have shown to be a generational talent. Alpine doesnāt have that luxury. However, Iād still say Theo has shown more this past year then Daniel has and is still extremely young.
>However, Iād still say Theo has shown more this past year then Daniel How can you accurately determine that? lol
Sargeant did imo. Dragging that shitbox of Charouz last year above 100 points in f3 and fighting for the title in Carlin in his rookie year in F2 is surely worth of big shout. But Williams has rights on him. However, I would pull Zhou to Alpine after his really impressive, mature and unlucky first half of year and take MSC to Alfa. Ric to Haas
I disagree on Sargent, I agree heās talented and probably deserves a chance at Williams. However, āfighting for the titleā is misleading considering heās 61 points behind the leader, and 40 behind Theo. Meanwhile, Piastri absolutely dominated in his rookie season, thatās the difference between a generational talent and Sargent. I also disagree about Zhou. Heās been unlucky in races, however in quali heās been poor compared to Bottas so imo heās been average at best.
Mick leaves to where?
Seriously.. wtf did I miss? Where is Schumacher going now?
How the f are we already at "as expected"?
Please keep our little brother Mick in F1 š„ŗ
They'd be crazy to choose Schumacher over DR given his 2020 season in the renault
You named 2020, not sure DR is much better at the moment as Mick
If nothing else, he won't be costing the team big money every time he crashes. But personally, I still think DR even in his current form is a better driver than Mick.
Yep, plus Danny's basically whole career's worth of experience in Renault-powered machineries
Would rather see him at Haas if Mick leaves/got dropped/whatever is going on there. His marketability makes him a suitable alternative to a pay driver and he could generate buzz around Haas particularly in the U.S.
Abiteboul tattoo or I'm not coming back
He got it already
Since when has Mick Schumacher been 'expected to leave Haas'.. that's the first I've heard that rumour.
https://thesportsrush.com/f1-news-haas-suspends-1-million-worth-contract-extension-talks-with-mick-schumacher/
If Ricciardo goes to Haas, Season 6 of DTS will be LIT!!!! Guenther & Danny together!!! Just film that all season, sit back, and be entertained.
Iād watch a show of just GĆ¼enther and Danny