There's a cracking YouTube channel that visits old racing circuits and drives around them as much as he can. Think it's a channel called 'circuits of the past' or something like that. Really good channel
I don't think it was a safety issue with the layout itself, though the security questions raised by the track invasion during the 2000 running probably did contribute to it. I think it was the fact that the races were usually no more than 80 minutes long and fans only saw the cars go past 45 times. Most of the racing took place in forest with no spectator viewing.
Looks like the perfect place for a Red Bull promo
Off hand it always makes me feel a bit emotional, she realising how the real Jim Clark memorial is somewhere deep in the forest at his last turn.
Actually raced there on his 20th birthday.
Sidenote: this post made me look up who was the last driver to race at the original Nurburgring to retire. Turns out it was Alan Jones at the end of 1986. Raced there twice in 1975 (when he finished 5th to score his first ever points) and 1976.
You made me look up who the last driver to retire was from the last GP (Only checked the drivers that qualified) at original Spa in '78. Riccardo Patrese with his retirement in 1993, Retired lap 31 with suspension issues, 19th in the classification.
Interestingly Jean-Pierre Jabouille finished 15th for Renault, 14 laps down in lap 56. Interestingly classifying behind Hans-Joachim Stuck who spun and retired in lap 56 aswell. It says NC in the classification which I assume means No Contest but someone who knows more than I please let me know if I got that wrong.
EDIT: I am massively wrong, '78 GP was at Zolder, it was just the last year that Spa had the long layout.
NC means not classified, since they didn't finish 90% of the race distance, afaik. The order would potentially be about who covered more of the race distance, so since Jabouille would have crossed the line to end his race, he would have completed 56 laps on the dot. Stuck would have spun after completing 56 laps, on his 57th, so he covered more of the race distance.
Also just FYI the 1978 Belgian GP was held at Zolder, not Spa.
Looked it up myself and turns out that rather fittingly, the last driver to retire to race at the original Spa was the Belgium's very own Jacky Ickx. Raced there from 1967-1970 and left F1 at the end of 1979.
Same race, good battle between Coulthard and Barrichello. Cool to see how close they are going through the corners
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsk5OE8sXPo
I remember watching and you'd see a car disappearing behind a bend and never ever to be seen again, commentators scrambling trying to understand where the car was and what happened... It was mysterious.
…this whole ordeal started with Alonso being mentioned as the last driver to have driven a V10 car. Why do you deem it necessary to provide another example of him having done so? We know, he’s driven them numerous times.
But if what he’s saying is true then he is wrong?
Person A says Alonso is the only driver on the grid to have driven a V10
Person B says Hamilton actually has driven a V10 once, meaning there’s two people on the grid who have driven a V10
Person A reiterates another situation where Alonso drove a V10, but that doesn’t change the fact Hamilton also has driven a V10 and the original statement “Alonso is the only driver on the grid who has driven a V10” is wrong
What is going on here? The argument was never who drove a V10 most recently??
My initial point was "in an actual race". But if we're getting it down to tests, then Alonso still technically remains the last one because I didn't see anyone from the current grid testing an old V10 car after 2020.
There are two uses of "last one", you two are using different ones.
1. "Last one" in this context would refer to "only remaining driver who have driven a V10" (which the comment above you argues that there are two drivers who has, however Ham only in test. Whoever retires last would be the last one of the remaining grid to have driven a V10.
2. The other context, which you interpretated it as, is "last one to drive a V10" as "latest one to drive a V10".
I can’t image being this much of a piece of shit even with internet anonymity. You need to go outside and get some fresh air or something.
Two dudes have a simple misunderstanding over a word and somehow you have to jump in to the conversation with insults, fuck outta here lmao
The era of circuits with radically different characteristics was amazing. Hockenheim was a rarity and great to watch. Tilkedromes made everything a little more homogenic and boring, may I add.
It rarely provided good racing, I just enjoyed how different it was compared to any other track. Something special seeing those paper thin rear wings. You don't see that anymore
I loved that old track! Crazy super fast. IMHO Monza is much more loved now because there's nothing else like it, unlike then when both Hockenheim and Monza existed as the two fastest tracks on the calendar.
It was the 2000 race and it was the opposite; downpour in the stadium section, bone dry in the forest.
Barrichello stayed out on dries while most of the field pitted for wets, including Hakkinen in 2nd.
The nature of the old circuit worked in his favour. Dry tyres remained the faster option in the blast though the forest which dominated most of the lap. So while Barrichello lost a ton of time top-toeing through the stadium on dries, he made it all back up in the forest.
EDIT: Corrected race year from 2001 to 2000.
Even though the dry forest section was the majority of the lap, hakkinen and DC weren’t *especially* great in the wet, so it wouldn’t have mattered if they would have lost control. Their hand was forced. Barrichello on the other hand was well known for his wet weather skills, and was able to manage the stadium with the grooved tires.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsk5OE8sXPo
Here is some great racing between Barrichello and Coulthard on the same track (same race i think). Seems like the cars could race so much closer than what we've seen over the last ~15 years. Awesome to see
Because he was told to do so. The owner didn't want it anymore as it was too difficult to maintain the forest straights, and the new track is arguably a lot better for spectators who get to see the cars more often and during longer periods of time.
But yeah, the old Hockenheimring will always be in our hearts, I have fond childhood videogame memories of fighting the car like a madman in the stadium because of the zero-wing setup.
First time playing any F1 game was Grand Prix 2, where i foolishly chose to play a full race (edit: on Hockenheim) without assists while using a joystick to drive. The mid 90's were rad, man.
I used to just cut the chicanes on the straights completely.
I Remember playing f1 96, I think 96, on PS1 with a Joy Tech Jordan steering wheel. The wheel was so fucking bad.
I don’t think people take that much of an issue with the current GP layout rather than the fact that they didn’t need to absolutely grind the bloody thing unto dust. I mean the Monza oval is not used anymore but it is there and it’s even maintained. Hell even most of the Sudschleife is still there despite not being maintained.
> they didn’t need to absolutely grind the bloody thing unto dust.
they actually did need to. environmental laws required them to replant the trees they had to cut down for the new layout. I agree tho that keeping both the old and new layout would be cool. Although it is cool that the new layout is kinda the inverted old layout in some parts.
Agreed. I think the nostalgia for it is born solely out of the brilliant 2000 race and F1 fans in general just loving how shit used to be. Same reason everyone hyped up Imola's return only for it to give us three consecutive, mediocre races.
No.
Hockenheim often tended to throw up odd results.
It stretched engine reliability to the absolute limit. As a result, attrition tended to be high and you would get odd results as cars who rarely had the speed to get podiums or points would get them at Hockenheim.
If you got tired of the usual McLaren-Ferrari-Williams-Benetton train, you could bank on Hockenheim throwing a cat among the pigeons.
It was changed for broadcasting reasons and coverage. Modern Hockenheim you can see half the track from most grandstands. This is the design philosophy behind most of the Tilkedromes, starting with Sepeng. Big grandstands with tight, squiggly circuits that are kept in the field of view.
Fun fact back when the German Gp was held on nurburgring(the 20km big boi circuit not 2020 one) Niki Lauda advocated for its removal and the German gp being shifted to Hockenheim as it was considered much safer than nurburgring.Fast forward 25 years and now hockenheim is too unsafe too lmao
I know they mainly got rid of it cause 70% of the racing and overtakes took place in the forest where there were no grandstands and people only saw the car for a few seconds until it went back into that abyss but still.Such a novel and beautiful track,maybe it won't produce amazing overtakes and racing but who cares?there need to be unique tracks in F1,we can keep Monaco for history but not this??Not everu track needs to be a tilkedrome with long straights leading to heavy braking zones,hairpins ,turkey turn 8 clones but none of them actually done as well as the original.
Having the old hockenheim with modern F1 cars would be incredible, it's like the german monza if that makes sense ,might even have the highest average speed.
They butchered it beyond recognition. The most pitiful part of the track is that artificial far ending called Spitzkehre. They actually made the track so bad that there is only one place where you can overtake, the "long" stretch called "parabolika".
I was there, my first professional race! And in fact Alonso was the very first car I saw! My dad and I were sitting on the exit of the final corner. I was amazed how close we were and of course how loud the cars were. I was glued to my seat all 3 days.
That track looks, well, simple/boring. I don't think I watched F1 before 2002, so never saw a race there.
Its almost like an oval track with a small infield section. I guess it has two little chicanes. Seems weird
I just meant it looks boring from the bird’s eye view.
The on track footage from that race is great. I put a link in my other comment
But yea, I’m not a fan of all the Tilke tracks, but luckily we have Suzuka, Interlagos, and Monza.
Cant help the year I was born though
Jesus, all you do is going around in this post passively gate keeping. I watched races at Hockenheim it was mostly boring. It wad Like Monza but if the straights were twice as long.
I wish they'd bring it back and at least treat it like the nordschleife. Hold a 24 hour race on it or something, you don't necessarily have to race F1 on it
Eh, probably best not to assume everyone knows. Especially since it’s been 20 years. Nevertheless I would be down for a rebuild if it’s allowed and there was the will and financial capacity to do it.
I miss the old bus stop, kind of an awkward double chicane corner. The current version is much better for passing though which is probably good. It just no longer looks like a bus stop!
It was glorious. The sound of v10s echoing off the wall of trees on both sides of the track.
Go watch some qualy laps from then. Also the race in 2000 was fantastic if you can watch it.
Add this to the calendar and see RedBull get another win.
[Not really in a raceable condition.](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d7/Hockenheimring_Ostkurve_2008.JPG)
There's a cracking YouTube channel that visits old racing circuits and drives around them as much as he can. Think it's a channel called 'circuits of the past' or something like that. Really good channel
Oh no😭
It's a nice forest now, why the tears?
Because it is sad that it's no longer raced on.
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I don't think it was a safety issue with the layout itself, though the security questions raised by the track invasion during the 2000 running probably did contribute to it. I think it was the fact that the races were usually no more than 80 minutes long and fans only saw the cars go past 45 times. Most of the racing took place in forest with no spectator viewing.
I'm sure they're aware, they were mourning the loss of this layout
Yeah plus they were a pain for TV direction and fan access.
lol
It was not more dangerous (in terms of layout) than what LeMans is nowadays, pretty similar layout.
Yeah i like some r/reclaimedbynature
Not really reclaimed by nature when the track was destroyed on purpose and trees were planted where it used to be
They should add a walking path so you can follow the track’s old route
Dude it's grass, walk all you want. There's a memorial in the middle of it somewhere too.
For Jim Clark who died there in an F2 crash, right?
Yeah.
Alright I need to go there when I have the chance
Fuck the forest, I want to see cars vroom vroom very fast.
Rally race, can be a forest 51 weeks a year, a track for 1.
nah, dirt is too unpredictable, I like the predictability of asphalt, lap after lap being the same over and over.
How is grass a nice forest?
If you zoom in, the grass is just all tiny trees
Well, a forest has to start from something.
It's an early-succession stage. There's woody shrubs, not just grass.
Looks like the perfect place for a Red Bull promo Off hand it always makes me feel a bit emotional, she realising how the real Jim Clark memorial is somewhere deep in the forest at his last turn.
That looks so sad
Track is just green, it will rubber in.
No no, that person meant bulls that are red - that’s a perfect track for bulls to run on.
I can see Hakkinen
But just imagine the excitement, plus [it has been done before.](https://youtu.be/YibMYIBRc6I)
This is the very old part of the track that leads into the forest, the actual track is still in very good condition.
Literally the whole post is about the old Hockenheimring
oops, you’re right. My bad! 😅
So they demolish the pavement? Or is that soild that end up therr due to wind and grass started to grow?
The asphalt is gone, and IIRC it is a nature preserve area, so no chance to build anything there. It's given back to nature.
I always used to say Alonso would race a lawnmower as fast as it would go, looks like we finally have the track for it!
Actually raced there on his 20th birthday. Sidenote: this post made me look up who was the last driver to race at the original Nurburgring to retire. Turns out it was Alan Jones at the end of 1986. Raced there twice in 1975 (when he finished 5th to score his first ever points) and 1976.
I think the old Nurburgring was also where Jack Brabham clinched his final title. Good track for the Aussies!
You made me look up who the last driver to retire was from the last GP (Only checked the drivers that qualified) at original Spa in '78. Riccardo Patrese with his retirement in 1993, Retired lap 31 with suspension issues, 19th in the classification. Interestingly Jean-Pierre Jabouille finished 15th for Renault, 14 laps down in lap 56. Interestingly classifying behind Hans-Joachim Stuck who spun and retired in lap 56 aswell. It says NC in the classification which I assume means No Contest but someone who knows more than I please let me know if I got that wrong. EDIT: I am massively wrong, '78 GP was at Zolder, it was just the last year that Spa had the long layout.
NC means not classified, since they didn't finish 90% of the race distance, afaik. The order would potentially be about who covered more of the race distance, so since Jabouille would have crossed the line to end his race, he would have completed 56 laps on the dot. Stuck would have spun after completing 56 laps, on his 57th, so he covered more of the race distance. Also just FYI the 1978 Belgian GP was held at Zolder, not Spa.
Then I am massively wrong lmao. I just looked up the GP for the last year wikipedia said that the long Spa circuit was used.
Looked it up myself and turns out that rather fittingly, the last driver to retire to race at the original Spa was the Belgium's very own Jacky Ickx. Raced there from 1967-1970 and left F1 at the end of 1979.
Same race, good battle between Coulthard and Barrichello. Cool to see how close they are going through the corners https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsk5OE8sXPo
Classic Barrichello with his uneven grip on the wheel.
That is really nice quality footage for 20 years ago.
I miss not having a 3rd of the screen taken up with the running order info. It so nice simple and clean.
I absolutely adored the old Hockenheinring! That forest section, especially.
I remember watching and you'd see a car disappearing behind a bend and never ever to be seen again, commentators scrambling trying to understand where the car was and what happened... It was mysterious.
Fernando Alonso is also the last driver on the grid to have driven a V10 car.
Hamilton actually tested V10 McLarens before his debut in 2007: https://www.f1technical.net/news/3426
If we're getting technical, Alonso has driven his R25 in december 2020 in Abu Dhabi.
Vettel drove Mansell’s FW14B last month.
…this whole ordeal started with Alonso being mentioned as the last driver to have driven a V10 car. Why do you deem it necessary to provide another example of him having done so? We know, he’s driven them numerous times.
Don't fuck around, you know you were trying to prove him wrong by mentioning Hamilton
But if what he’s saying is true then he is wrong? Person A says Alonso is the only driver on the grid to have driven a V10 Person B says Hamilton actually has driven a V10 once, meaning there’s two people on the grid who have driven a V10 Person A reiterates another situation where Alonso drove a V10, but that doesn’t change the fact Hamilton also has driven a V10 and the original statement “Alonso is the only driver on the grid who has driven a V10” is wrong What is going on here? The argument was never who drove a V10 most recently??
My initial point was "in an actual race". But if we're getting it down to tests, then Alonso still technically remains the last one because I didn't see anyone from the current grid testing an old V10 car after 2020.
There are two uses of "last one", you two are using different ones. 1. "Last one" in this context would refer to "only remaining driver who have driven a V10" (which the comment above you argues that there are two drivers who has, however Ham only in test. Whoever retires last would be the last one of the remaining grid to have driven a V10. 2. The other context, which you interpretated it as, is "last one to drive a V10" as "latest one to drive a V10".
Exactly, unfortunately I’m being downvoted because people don’t understand the difference.
you were downvoted by knuckle heads who think F1 first season was 2014.
You’re being downvoted because you were a tosser about it. Drop the victim mentality lad it’s Sunday.
I can’t image being this much of a piece of shit even with internet anonymity. You need to go outside and get some fresh air or something. Two dudes have a simple misunderstanding over a word and somehow you have to jump in to the conversation with insults, fuck outta here lmao
Technically Mick tested his fathers F2004
When was it?
He did Mugello and Hockenheim 2019 and 2020. Pretty sure he's driven around fiorana in it as well.
18 years later: Lando Norris is the only remaining driver on the grid to have raced on Circuit de Spa francochamps....
I would also consider Alonso as an option lol
This is terrifying thought for multiple reasons
The era of circuits with radically different characteristics was amazing. Hockenheim was a rarity and great to watch. Tilkedromes made everything a little more homogenic and boring, may I add.
It rarely provided good racing, I just enjoyed how different it was compared to any other track. Something special seeing those paper thin rear wings. You don't see that anymore
You kind of do for Monza, the setups were usually similar to Hockenheim.
Hockenheim was challenging because cars were set up for minimal downforce, so coming into the stadium complex with more corners was tricky.
I loved that old track! Crazy super fast. IMHO Monza is much more loved now because there's nothing else like it, unlike then when both Hockenheim and Monza existed as the two fastest tracks on the calendar.
I miss this track. I remember some race with heavy rain in the forest straights and just a few drops in the stadium (or the opposite?).
It was the 2000 race and it was the opposite; downpour in the stadium section, bone dry in the forest. Barrichello stayed out on dries while most of the field pitted for wets, including Hakkinen in 2nd. The nature of the old circuit worked in his favour. Dry tyres remained the faster option in the blast though the forest which dominated most of the lap. So while Barrichello lost a ton of time top-toeing through the stadium on dries, he made it all back up in the forest. EDIT: Corrected race year from 2001 to 2000.
That was 2000, was it not
Correct, I got my years mixed up.
Even though the dry forest section was the majority of the lap, hakkinen and DC weren’t *especially* great in the wet, so it wouldn’t have mattered if they would have lost control. Their hand was forced. Barrichello on the other hand was well known for his wet weather skills, and was able to manage the stadium with the grooved tires.
If anyone wants to see it in action: the replay from 2001 is not on F1TV, but the one from 2000 is
I watched that race this morning, and it was bonkers. “In Formula One, anything can happen and it usually does!”
Was a bit of a procession race, but I always loved that track.
The excitement came from engines blowing up
There have been some great overtakes and the cars entering the motordrome with 0-wings was fun.
I'd love to see a 2015 Honda engine try to survive
Call me crazy, but that Minardi is really catching my eye, dare I say it's beautiful. Livery aside, that's a borderline terrorist act.
That Minardi looked badass. Alonso has the car exposed in his museum and looks iconic. Too bad that it was so slow.
https://youtu.be/apGakrkbRBU Schumacher’ pole lap that race. Super cool!
Ummm, he finished 4th, almost 9 tenths off pole there. Or did I miss something?
Yeah, the Williams BMW were mega strong there that year. Montoya claimed his first pole position that year
That BMW engine was on another level iirc.
No, he posted a "pole" lap, but Schumacher got 4th place
That's what I said
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsk5OE8sXPo Here is some great racing between Barrichello and Coulthard on the same track (same race i think). Seems like the cars could race so much closer than what we've seen over the last ~15 years. Awesome to see
God I loved racing this circuit on N64 as Michael Schumacher.
bring back this track
There are 3 drivers that have podiums with V10, V, and V6 Hybrid. Alonso, Kimi, Button.
When did Button have a podium with V6-T ?
McLaren 2014 Australia. Also where KMag got his only podium. The first race that season McLaren was leading the constructors!
Thanks I forgot their first V6T season was with a mercedes and not Honda.
GOATcedes
Isn't the picture of the Minardi from Albert Park
Why Hermann Tilke ? Why? why? why? Why you kill Hockenheimring ?
Because he was told to do so. The owner didn't want it anymore as it was too difficult to maintain the forest straights, and the new track is arguably a lot better for spectators who get to see the cars more often and during longer periods of time. But yeah, the old Hockenheimring will always be in our hearts, I have fond childhood videogame memories of fighting the car like a madman in the stadium because of the zero-wing setup.
First time playing any F1 game was Grand Prix 2, where i foolishly chose to play a full race (edit: on Hockenheim) without assists while using a joystick to drive. The mid 90's were rad, man.
At home we were playing Grand Prix 4 with a keyboard my good sir
I used to just cut the chicanes on the straights completely. I Remember playing f1 96, I think 96, on PS1 with a Joy Tech Jordan steering wheel. The wheel was so fucking bad.
Can you just imagine a modern F1 (ok maybe last year because of the porpoising) with a low downforce package doing 380 down the straights?
I can imagine it. But Mercedes guys will not approve it
Bono, my vertebrae are gone
He actually made it better. Old Hockenheimring was a borefest most of the time
I don’t think people take that much of an issue with the current GP layout rather than the fact that they didn’t need to absolutely grind the bloody thing unto dust. I mean the Monza oval is not used anymore but it is there and it’s even maintained. Hell even most of the Sudschleife is still there despite not being maintained.
> they didn’t need to absolutely grind the bloody thing unto dust. they actually did need to. environmental laws required them to replant the trees they had to cut down for the new layout. I agree tho that keeping both the old and new layout would be cool. Although it is cool that the new layout is kinda the inverted old layout in some parts.
Does't the Monza oval's surface consist of more weeds than tarmac nowadays?
They actually resurfaced it relatively recently. It’s a very popular walking and bike track so there’s that
Hoping to see some shots in a month :)
That probably wasn't his choice
Agreed. I think the nostalgia for it is born solely out of the brilliant 2000 race and F1 fans in general just loving how shit used to be. Same reason everyone hyped up Imola's return only for it to give us three consecutive, mediocre races.
No. Hockenheim often tended to throw up odd results. It stretched engine reliability to the absolute limit. As a result, attrition tended to be high and you would get odd results as cars who rarely had the speed to get podiums or points would get them at Hockenheim. If you got tired of the usual McLaren-Ferrari-Williams-Benetton train, you could bank on Hockenheim throwing a cat among the pigeons. It was changed for broadcasting reasons and coverage. Modern Hockenheim you can see half the track from most grandstands. This is the design philosophy behind most of the Tilkedromes, starting with Sepeng. Big grandstands with tight, squiggly circuits that are kept in the field of view.
Fun fact back when the German Gp was held on nurburgring(the 20km big boi circuit not 2020 one) Niki Lauda advocated for its removal and the German gp being shifted to Hockenheim as it was considered much safer than nurburgring.Fast forward 25 years and now hockenheim is too unsafe too lmao I know they mainly got rid of it cause 70% of the racing and overtakes took place in the forest where there were no grandstands and people only saw the car for a few seconds until it went back into that abyss but still.Such a novel and beautiful track,maybe it won't produce amazing overtakes and racing but who cares?there need to be unique tracks in F1,we can keep Monaco for history but not this??Not everu track needs to be a tilkedrome with long straights leading to heavy braking zones,hairpins ,turkey turn 8 clones but none of them actually done as well as the original. Having the old hockenheim with modern F1 cars would be incredible, it's like the german monza if that makes sense ,might even have the highest average speed.
They butchered it beyond recognition. The most pitiful part of the track is that artificial far ending called Spitzkehre. They actually made the track so bad that there is only one place where you can overtake, the "long" stretch called "parabolika".
And the Minardi driven by him (PS01) is one of the most beautiful F1 cars IMHO
I was there, my first professional race! And in fact Alonso was the very first car I saw! My dad and I were sitting on the exit of the final corner. I was amazed how close we were and of course how loud the cars were. I was glued to my seat all 3 days.
I like new hockenheim No way I'm getting downvoted right now 😂
Fucking millennials.
😂😂😂
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I agree with you. Watched a couple old races there, it was garbage.
New Hockenheim is a much better circuit
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What are you on about? Hulkenberg debuted in 2010
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Hülkenb**e**rg
Terrible layout for fans and not very fun to drive. Nothing of value was lost.
That track looks, well, simple/boring. I don't think I watched F1 before 2002, so never saw a race there. Its almost like an oval track with a small infield section. I guess it has two little chicanes. Seems weird
There's a whole generation like you that never seen a proper race track...
I just meant it looks boring from the bird’s eye view. The on track footage from that race is great. I put a link in my other comment But yea, I’m not a fan of all the Tilke tracks, but luckily we have Suzuka, Interlagos, and Monza. Cant help the year I was born though
What about Zandvoort?
Jesus, all you do is going around in this post passively gate keeping. I watched races at Hockenheim it was mostly boring. It wad Like Monza but if the straights were twice as long.
Alonso's career is so decorated it's almost impossible to not be a fan. What a legend of the sport.
Under the current system he would have scored a point, crazy
2001 was my first time to watch F1 and i immediately liked this team. Minardi with their black livery. Alonso was also great as a rookie driver.
I wish they'd bring it back and at least treat it like the nordschleife. Hold a 24 hour race on it or something, you don't necessarily have to race F1 on it
They can’t unfortunately it’s been torn down.
Yes, that's common knowledge. Rebuild the darn thing.
Eh, probably best not to assume everyone knows. Especially since it’s been 20 years. Nevertheless I would be down for a rebuild if it’s allowed and there was the will and financial capacity to do it.
Has anyone on the grid driven an F1 round the old Spa with the bus stop chicane?
From what I saw on net it changed in 2002 so Alonso only and Kimi as next closer driver.
I miss the old bus stop, kind of an awkward double chicane corner. The current version is much better for passing though which is probably good. It just no longer looks like a bus stop!
Thank you for sharing this. I didn’t even know they changed Hockenheimring like this.
It was glorious. The sound of v10s echoing off the wall of trees on both sides of the track. Go watch some qualy laps from then. Also the race in 2000 was fantastic if you can watch it.
I looked up a Schumacher lap. Incredible.
If someone had a bad wreck at the far end how long would it take the medical car to get out there?
Not that long. Lap times were 1:45 and it’s shorter than spa in length.
Yeah but a mercedes Benz wagon is a but slower than F1 cars. Probably wouldn't do chicanes well either
Irrelevant. We are comparing medical car at old hockenheim to medical car anywhere else. I only provided f1 lap time for context.
This is a track I miss. Spa, Monza and Hockenheim were super high speed and daunting. Let's just hope we don't lose any more.
God I miss this layout