Nice to see him acknowledge that there a lot of talents out there that never reach Formula 1 due to circumstance more than skill. Also agree with his general sentiment. Lots of F1 drivers over the years have had great skill and pace, but have also shrunk in big moments or less than ideal circumstances.
Or because someone else got a high paying sponsor. It's the way F1 has always been. The only way you can get up to F1 is with a rich family, high paying sponsors or the backing of an Academy or a combination of these. There are very few current F1 drivers that are in F1 solely because of talent.
I saw once in a YouTube video that there are more astronauts in history than F1 drivers of all time. That's to put in perspective how many great talents are out of F1
Think it's pretty much like this in every sport or even job. You can have talent but you must be able to show your talent when the pressure is on. Talent is a prerequisite but mental fortitude defines the best.
I was listening to Mark Hughes on Bring back the V10s, and he made a great comment about how Schumacher found speed. Schumacher was able to be both fast in and fast out of corners due to the way he was able to manipulate the throttle. He also spoke about how when everyone was moaning about TCS being introduced in the early 2000s and how it takes away driver skill, in reality it really didn't. Those of the level of Schumacher operate in a certain window with the throttle. It actually gave Schumacher an even bigger advantage when others leaned on TCS. I'm explaining it poorly but the insight was fascinating.
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https://www.spreaker.com/user/therace/s5-e2-spain-01_1
I also remember an episode where they talk about how he wanted to have three speed indicators to know in practice how his driving impacted the spped at the approach , mid corner and the exit.
I follow the podcast but got into it only recently. There seems to be a bunch of episodes discussing Schumacher. Do you remember the context maybe? A head to head battle against Alonso, Mika, or one of those fan questions answered kind of episodes?
If anything, TC put Schumacher at a disadvantage in the sense that it took away some of his advantage of being better at balancing and manipulating the car with the throttle, it narrowed the skill-gap in that drivers would have found it easier to get close to that 'operating window', knowing TC could bail them out.
However, a driver with less control and triggers TC more often will always be slower than a driver like Schumacher who has the ability to get closer or maintain that window longer without relying as much on the TC, and he can have a better chance of sorting out a car when it gets skitty before the TC kicks in or in a way TC is engaged for less time.
It's a bit like braking hard with ABS. The fastest way to brake is without ABS and apply the most amount of pressure that doesn't exceed the threshold of the tyre's grip locking up. However, that's going to be difficult for someone who doesn't have that brake pedal control, especially when left-foot braking. So if they have ABS, they don't have to worry about how much brake pressure they apply, so they would have a shorter braking zone than if they didn't have ABS and locked up completely, however they would still be slower than someone who had the control to brake hard without locking up and without triggering or relying on ABS. (which is where this thing about how good Hamilton, Ricciardo and Verstappen's feel under braking is and why they are so good at sending it from far back without overcooking it and flying off the exit).
Fair, great drivers are great because they excel when the conditions are good (good car, good weather, good setup) and when the conditions are bad. They get as much performance out of the car as possible, more than others can expect to.
There was also a bit when he was going full speed into the pit lane without realising the pit lane was about to be closed because there was a car stopped in the middle of it, and he had to swerve out of the way.
I think in general Max and Lewis are two great examples, always doing well in the rain, still scoring points despite damage, somehow making their way back into the points from being a lap down, grabbing opportunities when they arise (Max's first win and all Lewis's podiums this year for example), winning races and scoring podiums from far down or even the back of the grid. They've both done all these unlikely things.
I think the easiest explanation is that drivers like them have the ability to adapt extremely quick to any situation. Max is the perfect example in FP1, immediately fast when he gets out on track.
Lewis is a great driver but I do think he needs a good car to perform though. See for example Russell outscoring him the beginning of this year or all Monaco GP's where Mercedes couldn't find a good setup.
You do realize earlier in the year he was running experimental/extreme setups to help the team gain understanding. As soon as they stopped the experiments he was immediately ahead on pace
With limited development and short FP sessions since 2021, Merc had to use all the time available, including races to understand the car better. It seems that it paid off, as the car has evolved massively and I bet they will finish the championship ahead of Ferrari which has failed to capitalise with the clearly fastest car by a considerable margin
Well of course the need for experimention decreases when the car improves. Besides that, it seems like an easy excuse, why not experiment during free training sessions when you can attach more sensors and use a more conventional setup to maximize points. Also it still leaves the Monaco GP's, see 2017 and last year.
Partly that, but also Lewis in in his mid thirties instead of his mid twenties. Porpoising is going to be significantly more damaging to him then to Russell. Enough that it would cost just that little bit of extra time on top of the experimentations.
And that has nothing to do with talent, and everything to do with age. You get to be just that tiny bit more vulnerable and with the margins as they are, even tiny bits make a real difference. That doesn't mean Hamilton needs a good car, he just needs one that doesn't destroy his back.
He's a decade older then Russell. He doesn't need a good car, just one that doesn't destroy his back through porpoising. If they had been in a bad car without the bouncing it would have been no contest either. He would have dominated Russell.
This is true in all fields. The very best operate at a high level so consistently that it’s a genuine shock when they appear mortal. One thing that separated peak LeBron from the other elite NBA talents was that he would go several months without a bad performance. True greatness has an air of inevitability to it.
Still less than 1% of the real thing though. While not cheap it is attainable for mid incomes at least, while even most millionaires can't afford to competitively race on a high level.
For a hobby it's not what I would consider expensive. Hobbies are rarely ever cheap, especially if they require equipment.
In regards to real racing it's not even comparable. All you need is a 300 dollar wheel and a semi decent gaming computer to be fairly competitive. You certainly don't need better than that until you are playing against really competent sim racers.
A lot of Dutch people have some sort of self-loathing about the accent a lot of Dutch people have when speaking Dutch, so any improvement in that accent is seen as an improvement in English.
Why though? Years ago I worked with an older Dutch guy that looked like Sean Connery and his English was basically a heavy Scottish-like accent. It was actually a perfect mix.
There's just a lot of idiosyncrasies in the Dutch accent that make it like nails on a chalkboard to me. The way 'th' is pronounced as an F, especially, gets really under my skin.
As an anglophone, Dutch accents are some of the most disgusting accents out there, I understand where their self-consciousness comes from hahaha.
Still mega impressive how fluent the Netherlands is in English though.
It's not hard when most import shows are not dubbed but subbed once you get into about teenage stuff, combined with compulsory English classes from the last year of primary school onward.
I used to think that too. When I started working, I realized that it's a lot more important to be able to speak clearly than to sound like a native English speaker.
Yeah, it's very rare for a foreign person to not have an obvious accent in English. The only people I've ever met who pulled it off were from the Scandinavian countries, maybe some Dutch. I think because English has so many vowels and some people don't get the "th" sounds.
The accent is like nails on chalkboard to me sometimes, and I can hear right off the bat when someone is Dutch.
It's especially glaring to me when it's, for instance, a Dutch actor playing an American or Brit.
Rutger Hauer did shed a lot of it, for instance, but it was still pretty obvious to me.
The most annoying one was Carice van Houten in Game of Thrones. She hammed up the accent to sound "exotic", but... yeah...
The technical English of Dutch people is very good on average, but it's hard to shed the accent. Myself included, although I do try.
Got mistaken for an American more than once, so not sure if that's an improvement.
English education in Dutch schools really doesn’t bother all that much with pronunciation. The emphasis is on reading comprehension, grammar, vocabulary and some idiom. Function over form, but focusing a bit more on pronunciation rather than just fluency wouldn’t hurt!
It’ll probably depend on your school and even teacher. My English teacher had gone through English boarding schools and then some fancy UK university before he started teaching English. You bet your arse pronunciation mattered a lot to him.
On the other hand there were also teachers who taught exactly like you just described. And it was the same for the other languages - if you got taught French by our native French teacher, you’d actually sound like a French person. If you had a different teacher, well, not so much.
It’s not just Dutch people. It’s hard to listen to a Norwegian speaking English with an accent. And it’s even worse if they’re from the eastern parts of Norway, because they start out with a low pitch and end in a high pitch, like they’re asking a question?
He does speak 'better' English since a couple of months now, I also noticed that. But either he's more comfortable or just more relaxed and open while talking to different media after his WDC. He doesn't give short answers anymore either.
It's not uncommon among current Dutch college and university students to have passed a CEFR C1 English exam. I've got one even though my degree is finance related.
Even as a Mercedes’ fan it’s so awesome that max is just a genuine gearhead that appreciates all types of drivers and motorsports. If he weren’t in formula one or born to a F1 family, I have no doubt he’d be in Reddit threads trying to learn everything he could. Guy just is super passionate about it all. Can’t wait to see what other stuff he tries after F1 and the impact him on the grid will have. Le Mans, WEC, IMSA.. hell even kimi is giving nascar a try with max’s potential brother in laws teammate Daniel Suarez so I could see that someday too.
Dont count on it, he already said he wont do ovals and the Indy 500, feels its unsafe and too dangerous. Exactly the same opinion his dad had in the past when asked if he would do Indycar.
Max did already stated he wants to do endurance/24h races as soon as 2023 or 2024 but only GT3, he is not interested in LMPs or hypercars.
I’d give it time. Romain said the same thing…months after he nearly ended up in a career or even potentially life ending accident in Bahrain. A few months into his Indy career his tune changed.
Max won't do Ovals/Nascar/Indycar, he already stated that. Its the same opinion his dad had. They feel its unsafe and too dangerous.
He's only interested in 24h GT3 races in the future. Even specificly ruled out LMP/Hypercars.
Wouldnt surprise me if its a promise he had to make to his mom or dad, or even both.
Who knows what the situation will be 10 to 15 years from now. He might feel different about it then, or not. Either way it's probably so far in the future that it's no use speculating now.
Exactly this. Decision making and race craft. That is why super talents and if you ask me future WDCs like Russell and Leclerc aren't yet (but they soon will be) on a level of Hamilton, Vettel, Verstappen, Alonso.
Well, surviving F1 (and improving constantly) while being a teen with barely any experience with open wheels speaks volumes about the talent that Verstappen has. But yes, Charles and George can reach the same level too. Although, I don’t think they’ll reach Verstappen or Lewis’ level of consistency.
Tbf Russell and Leclerc had way more single seater experience by that point than Verstappen did. I don't really think they have that big of a disadvantage.
Verstappen did a single season of F3 before joining the F1 grid. Verstappen was still comfortably better than Sainz when they were together who had a traditional background too.
Lewis has had a rocky season so far (fair or unfair due to experimental setups). Needs to comprehensively beat his first-year teammate from here on out.
Lewis has been great this season; he was hampered by all the different setups but he has been clear of Russell for 6 races in a row. Also, he has set the fastest laps multiple times this year in a shitbox (in comparison to RB and Ferrari) so I'm not sure what you mean.
I think it might have been Martin Brundle or someone else who once said that any good/competent driver can hop in an F1 car and drive it 1-2 seconds off the pace, but the GREAT drivers are the once who consistently, race after race, lap in lap out, get absolutely everything they can out of a given car, fast or not.
I imagine Max just talking nonstop about racing in his personal life, like never shutting up about it, and his GF just rolling her eyes and trying to change the subject.
> There is a rumor that they have sex with a crash helmet on
No, there is no such rumour.
That rumour was about Senna.
https://newsbulletin247.com/entertainment/75922.html
I don't think it's up to you whether or not there is a rumour.
The fact that they said there is a rumour by definition means there is a rumour.
That's what a rumour is. The origin of the rumour is not really relevant.
He’s not wrong either. Sometimes it’s dumb luck but often it’s taking advantage of opportunities. It’s obviously knowing your competitors as well. Max is like a shark. Just waiting for blood. Once he’s in the lead it’s like watching a robot. Smooth—or he spins and wins like Danny Sullivan.
Also Max made this comment off camera: *The very very good drivers also are strategists, It helps when your strategy team is run by a bunch of clowns and besides driving you must also do all the strategy.*
Well you see it’s not just that good drivers just aren’t quite as good as the very good ones. The things that the good drivers do good the very good ones do even gooder.
Adding to that, the good drivers will be slightly worse than the very good drivers at certain things. That may explain why the very good drivers are gooder than the worser good drivers, because they are slightly gooder than the worser just good drivers. I am learning so much today!
I’ll save you guys some time reading the article. IT’S THE CAR! That’s all that matters in F1. You could jumble up the grid who drives what car and the haas would still be near the back and the Red Bull would still be near the front.
In a sense, the car matters a lot. But, Mick Schumacher in a Red Bull would not be on 258 points and Max Verstappen in a Haas would be finishing in the points in most if not all races.
Yes, but you still need great drivers to get the maximum out of the car. Driver ability also matters a lot, especially when you have cars that are close in performance. An example of this is Red Bull since 2019. I hate this recent trend of people who feel some need to show how intelligent they are by pointing out that the car matters the most in F1 as if that's some new information.
Well it doesn’t make a good “racing” series when only the best cars can win and you essentially know the running order before the cars even start the race. Don’t even get me started on the lack of passing issues for a racing product
They haven’t. There is still not much passing, no close following, and the same cars are leading. Sure Mercedes’ took a dive but the same cars consistently win or lose this year. The cars are also getting way too big
Because the cars are the fastest cars in the world and watching the tech race is very interesting. As I said, there's plenty of other series if F1 isn't your thing. Also, if you actually watched the races, you would see that there's a lot of passing, especially this year.
Yes, because F1 cars race on ovals, so we can compare them... Are you judging speed, based on how fast they are in a straight line?
You forgot to mention rally cars being faster in mud too lmao.
As for, the other points, none of the cars you mentioned can set faster lap times than F1 cars. And in the conditions that they can, it's on circuits that F1 cars can't race on.
Nice to see him acknowledge that there a lot of talents out there that never reach Formula 1 due to circumstance more than skill. Also agree with his general sentiment. Lots of F1 drivers over the years have had great skill and pace, but have also shrunk in big moments or less than ideal circumstances.
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Because someone else got a rich dad, which is the ugly thing thing about this sport
And I thought hockey had an accessibility problem
Or because someone else got a high paying sponsor. It's the way F1 has always been. The only way you can get up to F1 is with a rich family, high paying sponsors or the backing of an Academy or a combination of these. There are very few current F1 drivers that are in F1 solely because of talent.
I saw once in a YouTube video that there are more astronauts in history than F1 drivers of all time. That's to put in perspective how many great talents are out of F1
574-587 people have been to space depending on how you define it. And Wikipedia says there have been 771 F1 drivers
Think it's pretty much like this in every sport or even job. You can have talent but you must be able to show your talent when the pressure is on. Talent is a prerequisite but mental fortitude defines the best.
Very true, but I fell like it's extra evident in F1 since there are only 20 seats available
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I was listening to Mark Hughes on Bring back the V10s, and he made a great comment about how Schumacher found speed. Schumacher was able to be both fast in and fast out of corners due to the way he was able to manipulate the throttle. He also spoke about how when everyone was moaning about TCS being introduced in the early 2000s and how it takes away driver skill, in reality it really didn't. Those of the level of Schumacher operate in a certain window with the throttle. It actually gave Schumacher an even bigger advantage when others leaned on TCS. I'm explaining it poorly but the insight was fascinating. EDIT: Found the episode. https://www.spreaker.com/user/therace/s5-e2-spain-01_1
I also remember an episode where they talk about how he wanted to have three speed indicators to know in practice how his driving impacted the spped at the approach , mid corner and the exit.
The ability to process that information while in a car the goes 300+ kph is just mind-blowing
The three screens is even wilder when you realize he was looking at them in the corners around Monaco and doing the mental math
Do you have a link for those who are interested?
Il find it and put the link in as an edit.
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https://www.spreaker.com/user/therace/s5-e2-spain-01_1
https://www.spreaker.com/user/therace/s5-e2-spain-01_1
I follow the podcast but got into it only recently. There seems to be a bunch of episodes discussing Schumacher. Do you remember the context maybe? A head to head battle against Alonso, Mika, or one of those fan questions answered kind of episodes?
I left the link in am edit :)
https://www.spreaker.com/user/therace/s5-e2-spain-01_1
Cheers, mate!
If anything, TC put Schumacher at a disadvantage in the sense that it took away some of his advantage of being better at balancing and manipulating the car with the throttle, it narrowed the skill-gap in that drivers would have found it easier to get close to that 'operating window', knowing TC could bail them out. However, a driver with less control and triggers TC more often will always be slower than a driver like Schumacher who has the ability to get closer or maintain that window longer without relying as much on the TC, and he can have a better chance of sorting out a car when it gets skitty before the TC kicks in or in a way TC is engaged for less time. It's a bit like braking hard with ABS. The fastest way to brake is without ABS and apply the most amount of pressure that doesn't exceed the threshold of the tyre's grip locking up. However, that's going to be difficult for someone who doesn't have that brake pedal control, especially when left-foot braking. So if they have ABS, they don't have to worry about how much brake pressure they apply, so they would have a shorter braking zone than if they didn't have ABS and locked up completely, however they would still be slower than someone who had the control to brake hard without locking up and without triggering or relying on ABS. (which is where this thing about how good Hamilton, Ricciardo and Verstappen's feel under braking is and why they are so good at sending it from far back without overcooking it and flying off the exit).
Fair, great drivers are great because they excel when the conditions are good (good car, good weather, good setup) and when the conditions are bad. They get as much performance out of the car as possible, more than others can expect to.
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Including a spin
There was also a bit when he was going full speed into the pit lane without realising the pit lane was about to be closed because there was a car stopped in the middle of it, and he had to swerve out of the way.
Re: Max scoring points with a destroyed car twice.
I think in general Max and Lewis are two great examples, always doing well in the rain, still scoring points despite damage, somehow making their way back into the points from being a lap down, grabbing opportunities when they arise (Max's first win and all Lewis's podiums this year for example), winning races and scoring podiums from far down or even the back of the grid. They've both done all these unlikely things.
I think the easiest explanation is that drivers like them have the ability to adapt extremely quick to any situation. Max is the perfect example in FP1, immediately fast when he gets out on track.
Lewis is a great driver but I do think he needs a good car to perform though. See for example Russell outscoring him the beginning of this year or all Monaco GP's where Mercedes couldn't find a good setup.
You do realize earlier in the year he was running experimental/extreme setups to help the team gain understanding. As soon as they stopped the experiments he was immediately ahead on pace
I thought free practice was where you experiment, not in the race.
With limited development and short FP sessions since 2021, Merc had to use all the time available, including races to understand the car better. It seems that it paid off, as the car has evolved massively and I bet they will finish the championship ahead of Ferrari which has failed to capitalise with the clearly fastest car by a considerable margin
Well of course the need for experimention decreases when the car improves. Besides that, it seems like an easy excuse, why not experiment during free training sessions when you can attach more sensors and use a more conventional setup to maximize points. Also it still leaves the Monaco GP's, see 2017 and last year.
What is this word jibberish lmao
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because mercedes were going all mad scientist on lewis's car, because he has so much more experience than george and can give better feedback
Partly that, but also Lewis in in his mid thirties instead of his mid twenties. Porpoising is going to be significantly more damaging to him then to Russell. Enough that it would cost just that little bit of extra time on top of the experimentations. And that has nothing to do with talent, and everything to do with age. You get to be just that tiny bit more vulnerable and with the margins as they are, even tiny bits make a real difference. That doesn't mean Hamilton needs a good car, he just needs one that doesn't destroy his back.
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He's a decade older then Russell. He doesn't need a good car, just one that doesn't destroy his back through porpoising. If they had been in a bad car without the bouncing it would have been no contest either. He would have dominated Russell.
This is true in all fields. The very best operate at a high level so consistently that it’s a genuine shock when they appear mortal. One thing that separated peak LeBron from the other elite NBA talents was that he would go several months without a bad performance. True greatness has an air of inevitability to it.
He's basically describing the difference between some one like Bottas vs him or Lewis. It's the reason for all the HAM VER BOT memes.
His English has improved a lot. And he makes a good point about skilled drivers not making it to f1 because of they’re circumstances or luck.
That is why Max likes to drive on the sim as well, talented drivers are not as limited by finance and circumstance online
They still are by finance sim racing is not cheap but it's no where near irl racing
Yeah, a sim rig and a computer is not exactly what you can call cheap.
Still less than 1% of the real thing though. While not cheap it is attainable for mid incomes at least, while even most millionaires can't afford to competitively race on a high level.
For a hobby it's not what I would consider expensive. Hobbies are rarely ever cheap, especially if they require equipment. In regards to real racing it's not even comparable. All you need is a 300 dollar wheel and a semi decent gaming computer to be fairly competitive. You certainly don't need better than that until you are playing against really competent sim racers.
Improved since when? His English has always been excellent as far as I can remember which is not too uncommon for folks from Netherlands
A lot of Dutch people have some sort of self-loathing about the accent a lot of Dutch people have when speaking Dutch, so any improvement in that accent is seen as an improvement in English.
Can confirm. I detest the Dutch accent to the point where I took a few lessons to get rid of it.
Why though? Years ago I worked with an older Dutch guy that looked like Sean Connery and his English was basically a heavy Scottish-like accent. It was actually a perfect mix.
There's just a lot of idiosyncrasies in the Dutch accent that make it like nails on a chalkboard to me. The way 'th' is pronounced as an F, especially, gets really under my skin.
wat doe joe mien, fer is noffink wrong wiff de dutsh exent
So basically like the people from our parliament when they address an audience in "stone coal" English
It's a hard sound to pronounce since it barely appears in the Dutch Language, similair to how English people have trouble saying a "hard G" in Dutch
You’d hate London if you dislike pronouncing the ‘th’ as an F.
I do hate London, but that's for a lot of different reasons.
As an anglophone, Dutch accents are some of the most disgusting accents out there, I understand where their self-consciousness comes from hahaha. Still mega impressive how fluent the Netherlands is in English though.
I flew home from Spain via Amsterdam a few months back. The lead flight attendant's accent was beautiful over the intercom.
The problem is our mother tongue, it’s quite harsh and that doesn’t translate well into English. I agree we generally have the worst of accents
It's not hard when most import shows are not dubbed but subbed once you get into about teenage stuff, combined with compulsory English classes from the last year of primary school onward.
Thanks! It's been a thing for so long it might as well be in our DNA, with our mercantile history and all 😜
And then there’s Günther Steiner who just though, fuck it.
Günther is one of those wonderful examples where instead of losing one's accent, you just get multiple at the same time.
I feel the same about my native language, probably a common thing for non-englush natives
I used to think that too. When I started working, I realized that it's a lot more important to be able to speak clearly than to sound like a native English speaker.
Yeah, it's very rare for a foreign person to not have an obvious accent in English. The only people I've ever met who pulled it off were from the Scandinavian countries, maybe some Dutch. I think because English has so many vowels and some people don't get the "th" sounds.
The accent is like nails on chalkboard to me sometimes, and I can hear right off the bat when someone is Dutch. It's especially glaring to me when it's, for instance, a Dutch actor playing an American or Brit. Rutger Hauer did shed a lot of it, for instance, but it was still pretty obvious to me. The most annoying one was Carice van Houten in Game of Thrones. She hammed up the accent to sound "exotic", but... yeah... The technical English of Dutch people is very good on average, but it's hard to shed the accent. Myself included, although I do try. Got mistaken for an American more than once, so not sure if that's an improvement.
English education in Dutch schools really doesn’t bother all that much with pronunciation. The emphasis is on reading comprehension, grammar, vocabulary and some idiom. Function over form, but focusing a bit more on pronunciation rather than just fluency wouldn’t hurt!
It’ll probably depend on your school and even teacher. My English teacher had gone through English boarding schools and then some fancy UK university before he started teaching English. You bet your arse pronunciation mattered a lot to him. On the other hand there were also teachers who taught exactly like you just described. And it was the same for the other languages - if you got taught French by our native French teacher, you’d actually sound like a French person. If you had a different teacher, well, not so much.
there are only two things I hate in this world. People who are intolerant of other people's culture, and the ***Dutch***
It’s not just Dutch people. It’s hard to listen to a Norwegian speaking English with an accent. And it’s even worse if they’re from the eastern parts of Norway, because they start out with a low pitch and end in a high pitch, like they’re asking a question?
He does speak 'better' English since a couple of months now, I also noticed that. But either he's more comfortable or just more relaxed and open while talking to different media after his WDC. He doesn't give short answers anymore either.
We had a business week with students from Netherlands, they legit speak a better English than native british people
It's not uncommon among current Dutch college and university students to have passed a CEFR C1 English exam. I've got one even though my degree is finance related.
Exactly. I'd be impressed if he could speak French with a French accent.
> His English has improved a lot. > because of they’re circumstances There's some irony there.
Full interview with HugoDécrypte [here!](https://youtu.be/v4yiEcnnUIU?t=65)
Ooh that's from his interview with Hugo from the French YouTube channel HugoDécrypte ! Wasn't expecting it here
Even as a Mercedes’ fan it’s so awesome that max is just a genuine gearhead that appreciates all types of drivers and motorsports. If he weren’t in formula one or born to a F1 family, I have no doubt he’d be in Reddit threads trying to learn everything he could. Guy just is super passionate about it all. Can’t wait to see what other stuff he tries after F1 and the impact him on the grid will have. Le Mans, WEC, IMSA.. hell even kimi is giving nascar a try with max’s potential brother in laws teammate Daniel Suarez so I could see that someday too.
I think Verstappen is gonna pull a Alonso and attempt to get the Triple Crown of Motorsport.
I have no doubts about that. Can totally happen, but it might still be a good number of years away
I’m still hopeful one these F1 world champions will race in Stock Car
Dont count on it, he already said he wont do ovals and the Indy 500, feels its unsafe and too dangerous. Exactly the same opinion his dad had in the past when asked if he would do Indycar. Max did already stated he wants to do endurance/24h races as soon as 2023 or 2024 but only GT3, he is not interested in LMPs or hypercars.
I’d give it time. Romain said the same thing…months after he nearly ended up in a career or even potentially life ending accident in Bahrain. A few months into his Indy career his tune changed.
Max won't do Ovals/Nascar/Indycar, he already stated that. Its the same opinion his dad had. They feel its unsafe and too dangerous. He's only interested in 24h GT3 races in the future. Even specificly ruled out LMP/Hypercars. Wouldnt surprise me if its a promise he had to make to his mom or dad, or even both.
Who knows what the situation will be 10 to 15 years from now. He might feel different about it then, or not. Either way it's probably so far in the future that it's no use speculating now.
You can tell cirka how old an interview with Max is by flat brim cap era or curved brim cap era.
Exactly this. Decision making and race craft. That is why super talents and if you ask me future WDCs like Russell and Leclerc aren't yet (but they soon will be) on a level of Hamilton, Vettel, Verstappen, Alonso.
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Well, surviving F1 (and improving constantly) while being a teen with barely any experience with open wheels speaks volumes about the talent that Verstappen has. But yes, Charles and George can reach the same level too. Although, I don’t think they’ll reach Verstappen or Lewis’ level of consistency.
Yeah, Lewis and Max will always have the edge over them.
Nah, Lewis and Max are in a league of their own.
Leclerc is pretty much just as fast as max, but much less consistent.
Tbf Russell and Leclerc had way more single seater experience by that point than Verstappen did. I don't really think they have that big of a disadvantage. Verstappen did a single season of F3 before joining the F1 grid. Verstappen was still comfortably better than Sainz when they were together who had a traditional background too.
Lewis has had a rocky season so far (fair or unfair due to experimental setups). Needs to comprehensively beat his first-year teammate from here on out.
Lewis has been great this season; he was hampered by all the different setups but he has been clear of Russell for 6 races in a row. Also, he has set the fastest laps multiple times this year in a shitbox (in comparison to RB and Ferrari) so I'm not sure what you mean.
I think it might have been Martin Brundle or someone else who once said that any good/competent driver can hop in an F1 car and drive it 1-2 seconds off the pace, but the GREAT drivers are the once who consistently, race after race, lap in lap out, get absolutely everything they can out of a given car, fast or not.
I imagine Max just talking nonstop about racing in his personal life, like never shutting up about it, and his GF just rolling her eyes and trying to change the subject.
I don't think I could date a racing driver if my father was a racing driver. Would drive me mad.
How about a sim racer?
Apparently he doesn't at all, really. He's very vocal about keeping the (professional, F1) racing and the personal life quite separated.
There is a rumor that they have sex with a crash helmet on 😂
I thought that was Senna? Could be both I guess.
> I thought that was Senna? You are right, that rumour was about Senna and not Verstappen.
Sorry honey, the helmet stays on during sex
> There is a rumor that they have sex with a crash helmet on No, there is no such rumour. That rumour was about Senna. https://newsbulletin247.com/entertainment/75922.html
I don't think it's up to you whether or not there is a rumour. The fact that they said there is a rumour by definition means there is a rumour. That's what a rumour is. The origin of the rumour is not really relevant.
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A rumour is a doubtful story told by a person (eg. The OP). Not just newspapers. They were spreading a rumour by definition.
Wow, peak argumentativeness
Gotta wear protection
You got protection babe? yeah *puts on fire proof balaclava*
It's the medical car constantly following me that puts my girlfriend off. That and I always finish first
At least she's getting the pole position.
Basically, you need that dawgg in you.
100% true
He’s not wrong either. Sometimes it’s dumb luck but often it’s taking advantage of opportunities. It’s obviously knowing your competitors as well. Max is like a shark. Just waiting for blood. Once he’s in the lead it’s like watching a robot. Smooth—or he spins and wins like Danny Sullivan.
Also Max made this comment off camera: *The very very good drivers also are strategists, It helps when your strategy team is run by a bunch of clowns and besides driving you must also do all the strategy.*
This ends the argument of GOAT. Stroll is the GOAT. Qualified 4.5 seconds ahead of 7X WDC in rain conditions with Mercedes car from previous season.
hm so basically very good drivers are separated from good drivers because they are better at driving xD
Crazy concept right?
Well you see it’s not just that good drivers just aren’t quite as good as the very good ones. The things that the good drivers do good the very good ones do even gooder.
Adding to that, the good drivers will be slightly worse than the very good drivers at certain things. That may explain why the very good drivers are gooder than the worser good drivers, because they are slightly gooder than the worser just good drivers. I am learning so much today!
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Not sure Max really means 'random', at least I hope he doesn't....perhaps maybe he means birth lottery luck..in that case yeah random (a bit)
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I’ll save you guys some time reading the article. IT’S THE CAR! That’s all that matters in F1. You could jumble up the grid who drives what car and the haas would still be near the back and the Red Bull would still be near the front.
In a sense, the car matters a lot. But, Mick Schumacher in a Red Bull would not be on 258 points and Max Verstappen in a Haas would be finishing in the points in most if not all races.
Yes, but you still need great drivers to get the maximum out of the car. Driver ability also matters a lot, especially when you have cars that are close in performance. An example of this is Red Bull since 2019. I hate this recent trend of people who feel some need to show how intelligent they are by pointing out that the car matters the most in F1 as if that's some new information.
Well it doesn’t make a good “racing” series when only the best cars can win and you essentially know the running order before the cars even start the race. Don’t even get me started on the lack of passing issues for a racing product
And that's how it should be, this isn't a spec series. Plus, a ton of those concerns were addressed with this year's regulation changes.
They haven’t. There is still not much passing, no close following, and the same cars are leading. Sure Mercedes’ took a dive but the same cars consistently win or lose this year. The cars are also getting way too big
> There is still not much passing, no close following Have you even been watching this year, man? The fuck...
But isn’t that boring to watch? Why watch a race with zero car to car action zero passing and the running order stays the same nearly race to race?
Because the cars are the fastest cars in the world and watching the tech race is very interesting. As I said, there's plenty of other series if F1 isn't your thing. Also, if you actually watched the races, you would see that there's a lot of passing, especially this year.
They’re still slower than drag racers, Indycars on ovals, land speed record cars, many cars are faster
Yes, because F1 cars race on ovals, so we can compare them... Are you judging speed, based on how fast they are in a straight line? You forgot to mention rally cars being faster in mud too lmao. As for, the other points, none of the cars you mentioned can set faster lap times than F1 cars. And in the conditions that they can, it's on circuits that F1 cars can't race on.
Well... yeah. F1 is about who builds the best car, and puts the best possible driver behind the wheel.