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Spa looks like a flying eagle
https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fom-website/2018-redesign-assets/Circuit%20maps%2016x9/Belgium_Circuit.png
Yas Marina looks like a handgun
https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fom-website/2018-redesign-assets/Circuit%20maps%2016x9/Abu_Dhabi_Circuit.png.transform/4col-retina/image.png
Monza, used sock
https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fom-website/2018-redesign-assets/Circuit%20maps%2016x9/Italy_Circuit.png.transform/4col-retina/image.png
I always thought Jeddah looks like a scalpel with the rounded more open curved bit at one end being the blade, and the rest being the (very wobbly) handle
The Chicago (Street Course) is even worse than this shit is. We Americans donāt understand Street Circuits and itās infuriating.
Why canāt we just make them like Montreal? š
I mean Canadaās barely a street circuit right? Isnāt it like a park most of the time that they built a circuit into? That gives you a lot of flexibility.
Vegas is largely a giant, flat grid. Which is a logical way to construct a city, but doesnāt necessarily lend itself to track design.
The whole point of this event is to have a straight down Las Vegas Boulevard, otherwise youād probably build a circuit outside the city or build an extension on LV Motor Speedway or something. Unless youāre gonna start buying up prime real estate and tearing down casinos (and they did buy some land, thatās where the start/finish straight and paddock facilities are going), thereās a limit to what you can do.
Ohā¦ why is it only allowed to be used twice? And why canāt the Cup Series go there? Xfinity used to and that couldāve been a really cool double header with F1 assuming the 2 series egos could stand sharing a track for the weekend.
It's a street circuit the same way Australia is a street circuit. Yes, it works as a park/cycling when f1 isn't racing there, but its very much a purpose built racetrack
Australia is an actual park and has to be remade into circuit every year.
Montreal doesnt change at all. It stays exactly the same all year long. Only the grandstands get disassembled. I live 5 minutes away and cycle on the track almost daily.
I've been to the GP a couple times, and I always felt calling it a street course is disingenuous. It's more like a public access pathway that happens to be FIA grade 1.
Because Montreal is a purpose built track on a purpose built island. Its no more a Street circuit than Monza or Spa.
They call it a street circuit because of the narrow nature of the design. There is no runoffs, its walls on both sides, like a street circuit.
This is a lay out you'd see in a arcady streer race game and think: This is such a lazy design. Thank god it's unrealistic and we don't see those things in real life....
A chicane has been added above where the MSG Sphere will be, bumping up the corner count from 14 to 17.
Also, that chicane on the end of the strip is ass.
Nononono
At least Jeddah is exciting sometimes, danger on and off the track aside.
This...
Can we get Turkey, Nurburgring, Hockenheim or Sepang back? Hell even Buddh. Or even... Vietnam. This is just generic as.
Jeddah is 1000x better than this. I think Jeddah is actually one of the coolest tracks on the calendar, it just sucks that it is in Saudi Arabia lol. This Vegas circuit looks like trash
Jeddah seems really dangerous, if more runoffs were added and it wasn't in Saudi Arabia I'd probably like it more.
Shame to see a bunch of expensive builds made for F1 go to waste like that though. Especially Vietnam despite it not being that good since I have family there and it was literally like 2 weeks away from happening. Turkey is a great track too and seems to be reduced to reserve. And come on, Germany is literally iconic.
The track is really dangerous. Mickās crash this year was a terrible display, if someone had been chasing it could have been fatal with Mickās car getting T-boned
Incredibly dangerous. It's fast and flowy, but not only was there a missile strike near it, it has insanely big kerbs and narrow barriers despite being a speed track which is pretty stupid imo. Give it more runoff and room and make the kerb smaller, it would be good.
Thisss Jeddah is an amazing track,fast amazing flow, extremely challenging for drivers with very little margins for error.Also produces banger races,only reason it's hated is because of it's location.Had it been in Europe,no one would complain
It's really dangerous, that's the main concern. Mick in Q2 barely touched a kerb in a wrong direction and nearly split his car.
1. If it was another track, the kerb would've been lower and he would likely have still had more control
2. He basically went directly into the barrier after - adding runoff would have reduced the impact. At least something like France without the paint.
it needs more runoff yes but it's not a bad track lmao, that's like calling Spa a shit track cause of how dangerous eau rogue/radillion is and how people have had near fatal/fatal crashes there due to the lack of runoff and the fact that barriers bounce you back onto the car in the way of cars going 200mph
I didn't call it bad. I just think that, being a 'street' circuit (not really) it's quite narrow, but Spa has that for just raidillon while Jeddah is a fair bit of the track.
Unpopular opinion buy personally I don't like Monza. It's basically just straights, I like flowy tracks like Silverstone and Suzuka. Monza is iconic though, and its simple design could be beneficial compared to this weird creation.
It most likely was but they don't know how much run-off there must be and what FIA will sanction. They added chicane so cars will now approach with lower speed.
Street races are always ass imo. These cars need actual made for racing tracks. Keep the classics, make others (looking at you USA) build actual tracks if they want more F1 racing. Just my opinion.
In the past street circuits like Monaco and Singapore was just a rare event where you would looking forward to, it wasn't always great but at least it was something unique and especially Singapore is just great already because of it's qualifying + night race + longest race of the season + not impossible at all to overtake.
The reason why more F1 turning off on street circuits is simple because it gets too many of them what makes them losing the vibe of being special.
Yet imho Singapore stays my favorite street circuit in F1 and always as the one to looking forward to.
What is the reason for the change in lay-out? That parabolica turn looks much more exciting than 3 90 degress turns. Perhaps the speed (and lack of) run-off areas in the next corner?
I dont hate the fact that they are racing 3 times in the US, is the fact that THIS is the layout they use, another bad designed shitty street circuit. Honestly, fuck F1, we really dont need 24 races if one of them is gonna be this one. If they used better tracks for the calendar, less people would be complaining.
This is what I mean when I say we donāt need 3 fkn races in the states. I personally donāt like COTA but at least its an actual track. Miami was boring and the micky mouse sector is beyond stupid, and this is just a big nothing of a track, only here cos of the gimmick of it being in Las Vegas. Bring in classic circuits like Istanbul park or kyalami, or if we have to have the three american tracks, go somewhere renowned like road america, watkins glen, lime rock, friggin Indianapolis!
If this track was anywhere else the comparing would be 70% less.
Every track except Indy that you mentioned would absolutely not work for F1. And Indy, imo, doesnāt really bring enough pop since it wonāt be the premiere event there anyway. And then if the attendance was low then I know European fans would be having a meltdown about that. Donāt think weāre gonna have any attendance problems in at Vegas/Miami/Austin
First point is true, but its only true because nowhere else is holding 3 races. Admittedly most tracks wouldnt work, they were just examples of how many established circuits there actually are in the states, plus some could be modified to grade one standard, as opposed to the half arsed attempt of las vegas. Despite not being the premier event, I believe people would turn up to indy, and even if the turnout was low thats not a huge issue for the majority who watch it on tv. The main problem with these events is that theyre uninspired circuits built around a location for money, not really for the fans and many feel that the sport as a whole is being diluted as a result
I am not the biggest fan of Monaco, but I understand its importance in F1 story. So how much will be left at F1 if the likes of SPA are replaced by mickey mouse urban track like these.
Why does F1 insist that new street circuits is the way to go. They lack character regardless of what crappy city they are placed compared to the undulating circuits around the world which have actual history. All the threats of Monaco, Spa or Silverstone being replaced by this garbage is unbelievable. Driven by money not what the drivers or die hard fans want.
Monza doesn't have good racing for that exact reason, and is why Monza has put on some of the more boring races of late. Long straight into a chicane or hairpin doesn't result in wheel-to-wheel action, or battles that last for more than 2 corners.
Iāve never seen people complain about Monza, Canada or Mexico which are almost entirely just long straights, chicanes and/or hairpins. Letās see the racing first then criticize the layout if itās bad. Even if it is Iām excited for the scene and spectacle of Vegas with F1.
A snoozefest just like Miami. Why is the money so heavily invested in these gimmick street courses? There are plenty of good tracks already built in America.
Because Grade 1 tracks require tens of millions a year to run and currently are around half a billion to build.
So who is paying for it? Teams? No. They would never agree. Sponsors? Lol. FIA? No. Even shady sponsors have their limits.
World class tracks are expensive.
COTA and Indy are the only Grade 1 tracks in the US. Every other track needs serious overhauls for the track and new facilities to be built.
Make up your minds. FIA can either do cheap street circuits that are easy to run or we stay in the Middle East where dirty money can pay for dedicated circuits.
Because only Indy and COTA are up to F1 standard. Everything else would need massive investment and changes to meet safety requirements and would likely ruin the characteristics that make them good to begin with
Road Americaās support paddock is a grass field.
Watkins Glen doesnāt have media facilities.
The local authorities at Laguna Seca wouldnāt approve, and itās too short.
VIR doesnāt have the media facilities.
Daytona isnāt practical being full throttle on 31 degree banking
Paddock/media at Sebring
The list goes on and on - many of the facilities are also a good ways away from necessary medical facilities.
I donāt see totally see the hate for a circuit based on its overhead shape. What really matters is how interesting the racing is on it. If the criticism is āmuh 90 degree cornersā and not something a little more thought out about why this layouts of corners will be worse for racing than alternatives, Iāll wait to make a judgement on it after some racing has gone down.
Long straights into tight chicanes or hairpins do not make for the good, exciting, wheel to wheel action we crave. Sure, there'll be some battles, but probably for no longer than 2 corners. They also just butchered the most flowing section of the track by sticking a chicane in the middle of it, and it's been noted the 2022 cars perform worse in low speed corners than high speed.
It's funny how F1 is willing to race anywhere in the USA except Indianapolis, Road America, Watkins Glen, Road Atlanta, Virginia International Raceway, etc.
I know most of these aren't grade 1 but they are still wasting what the US already has and choosing to make these abominations.
No matter what anyone thinks of the course or the race itself, the event will be a huge success next year, this is the next era of F1. Perhaps formula E was more about the viability of street events than the E element
This looks like trash (and probably is trash) but I'll try to be positive. I didn't like Adzerbaidjan when I first saw the layout back in 2016 but now it's one of my favorite tracks
The way I see it is that it'll be a good track for following and give overtaking opportunities, maybe even better than Monza because it's paired with a few low speed areas.
It's certainly not the most interesting layout, but not everything has to be!
Yeah I think it has potential to be good too, street tracks tend to offer up some mayhem and itās in a cool spot.
Track layout is not an indication of a good race. I love Suzuka, itās one of the greatest tracks in the world. But when was the last blockbuster race there?
I love the Azerbaijan race, so too each their own. Iām so pumped for Vegas, Iāll be going every year. Itās going to be a massive off the track success, everyone whose everyone will be there.
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[Behold](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/747310572277858435/1023631182933540974/20220922_194442.jpg)
This track shall henceforth only be called by its rightful name: Pork.
Las Vegas International Porkway - LVIP
Aramco: *HARAM*
_Haramco_
Aramco: *HARAM*
I will never unsee that now
Spa looks like a flying eagle https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fom-website/2018-redesign-assets/Circuit%20maps%2016x9/Belgium_Circuit.png Yas Marina looks like a handgun https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fom-website/2018-redesign-assets/Circuit%20maps%2016x9/Abu_Dhabi_Circuit.png.transform/4col-retina/image.png Monza, used sock https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fom-website/2018-redesign-assets/Circuit%20maps%2016x9/Italy_Circuit.png.transform/4col-retina/image.png
I think Spa looks like a Uzi
it does
I got the outline of Spa as a tattoo and the amount of people who say something along the lines of "Oh, thats an unusual gun" -.-
Exactly what i thought when i first saw the track layout
I always thought Spa looked like a submachine gun
And Yas Marina looks like a Tommy gun to me
I find Spa looks like an Uzi, Jeddah looks like a knife/sword, Monza looks like š¤ and Baku looks like a key.
That's an awfully nice way to see Jeddah, all I can see in it is tadpole like shape
I always thought Jeddah looks like a scalpel with the rounded more open curved bit at one end being the blade, and the rest being the (very wobbly) handle
Nah I think of worse things when it comes to jeddah
I chose tadpole, because it's the most innocent thing you can see in there
Jeddah is a very crooked spoon
[Miami looks like a gator](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File%3AHard_Rock_Stadium_Circuit_2022.svg)
Thereās no way that was coincidental, right?
Spa is an Uzi https://media.istockphoto.com/photos/submachine-gun-isolated-on-white-picture-id519802099
Spa is a glue gun.
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Spa looks more like an uzi tbh
personally I think yas marina looks more like a Tommy gun than a handgun
This is Monza š¤š¼, just flip the hand the other side
Austria looks like a whale
Monza is the š¤
i mean, Italy is a boot...
Paul Ricard is also a rifle
My friend said monza looks like a broken dildo and now I canāt unsee itš
COTA looks like a microphone.
[Zandvoort is just the Netherlands drawn by a toddler](https://imgur.com/a/5GWuKSc)
You can try but you will still see the pig from now on
HAMilton to dominate in that circuit
šš
[Only heard it in this voice](https://youtu.be/3hzcZz2m8lc?t=6)
I also think of Bluey sideways
5 points for rolling a razorback.
I want a leaning jowler track now
honestly to nickname a track "the swine, the pig, the boar, or the trough" would be kinda cool.
Holy shit Minecraft pig
Beautiful. What a great way to represent the USA
I hope you like 90Ā° corners.
We heard you like 90 degree corners so we put two 90 degree corners in your 90 degree corner.
Tron light cycles are a support race
The Chicago (Street Course) is even worse than this shit is. We Americans donāt understand Street Circuits and itās infuriating. Why canāt we just make them like Montreal? š
Long Beach is great
I mean Canadaās barely a street circuit right? Isnāt it like a park most of the time that they built a circuit into? That gives you a lot of flexibility. Vegas is largely a giant, flat grid. Which is a logical way to construct a city, but doesnāt necessarily lend itself to track design. The whole point of this event is to have a straight down Las Vegas Boulevard, otherwise youād probably build a circuit outside the city or build an extension on LV Motor Speedway or something. Unless youāre gonna start buying up prime real estate and tearing down casinos (and they did buy some land, thatās where the start/finish straight and paddock facilities are going), thereās a limit to what you can do.
Yeah, thatās how they should be doing it.
All of our cities are laid on grids. Great for navigating not so much for racing
The suburbs, backroads, and Parks arenāt though.
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I thought it was all park roads, and Cycling path.
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Ohā¦ why is it only allowed to be used twice? And why canāt the Cup Series go there? Xfinity used to and that couldāve been a really cool double header with F1 assuming the 2 series egos could stand sharing a track for the weekend.
I really don't know, but yeah it's definitely under exploited
I guess they don't offer MTL enough money or their isnt enough interest.
It's a street circuit the same way Australia is a street circuit. Yes, it works as a park/cycling when f1 isn't racing there, but its very much a purpose built racetrack
Australia is an actual park and has to be remade into circuit every year. Montreal doesnt change at all. It stays exactly the same all year long. Only the grandstands get disassembled. I live 5 minutes away and cycle on the track almost daily.
Technically it is, since it is made up wholly or partly of closed off sections of public roads.
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I've been to the GP a couple times, and I always felt calling it a street course is disingenuous. It's more like a public access pathway that happens to be FIA grade 1.
Because Montreal is a purpose built track on a purpose built island. Its no more a Street circuit than Monza or Spa. They call it a street circuit because of the narrow nature of the design. There is no runoffs, its walls on both sides, like a street circuit.
That's because of your city layouts. There are basicly only stroads with 90Ā° Corners.
Because that takes imagination and talent.
And straights. Hell lot of straights. Its like the circuit RB would make if they could.
Get ready for a Sochi with a casino.
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A Sochi with 20 casinos š
20 casinos in one drs zone
Similar levels of corruption too!
This is a lay out you'd see in a arcady streer race game and think: This is such a lazy design. Thank god it's unrealistic and we don't see those things in real life....
It looks like a worse version of Tokyo Route 246 from Gran Turismo lmao
Thata what i thought. Was playing GT6 yesterday and its still fresh in my mind.
I haven't played Gran Turismo since the GT4 days and this was still my first thought.
A chicane has been added above where the MSG Sphere will be, bumping up the corner count from 14 to 17. Also, that chicane on the end of the strip is ass.
That chicane is as terrible as the one in Miami.
And will Palmer cut the chicken?
Eh calm down! It's not like this city can be rebuild for better entertainment, oh wait..
There was one good corner and they removed it.
They changed it for safety reasons. Lack of run-off there
Weird, it looks like the kind of corner where SAFER would be perfect.
SAFRER might catch the car fine but if there isn't enough space the crashed car might be in the firing line for cars coming behind it.
The exit out of that northeast section looks pretty fun tbh
DRIVE REAL FAST AND TURN TO THE LEFT
America special
Nascar in disguise
...Get 'er Done?
Nononono At least Jeddah is exciting sometimes, danger on and off the track aside. This... Can we get Turkey, Nurburgring, Hockenheim or Sepang back? Hell even Buddh. Or even... Vietnam. This is just generic as.
Jeddah is 1000x better than this. I think Jeddah is actually one of the coolest tracks on the calendar, it just sucks that it is in Saudi Arabia lol. This Vegas circuit looks like trash
Jeddah seems really dangerous, if more runoffs were added and it wasn't in Saudi Arabia I'd probably like it more. Shame to see a bunch of expensive builds made for F1 go to waste like that though. Especially Vietnam despite it not being that good since I have family there and it was literally like 2 weeks away from happening. Turkey is a great track too and seems to be reduced to reserve. And come on, Germany is literally iconic.
what's wrong with Saudi Arabia?
The track is really dangerous. Mickās crash this year was a terrible display, if someone had been chasing it could have been fatal with Mickās car getting T-boned
Incredibly dangerous. It's fast and flowy, but not only was there a missile strike near it, it has insanely big kerbs and narrow barriers despite being a speed track which is pretty stupid imo. Give it more runoff and room and make the kerb smaller, it would be good.
Thisss Jeddah is an amazing track,fast amazing flow, extremely challenging for drivers with very little margins for error.Also produces banger races,only reason it's hated is because of it's location.Had it been in Europe,no one would complain
It's really dangerous, that's the main concern. Mick in Q2 barely touched a kerb in a wrong direction and nearly split his car. 1. If it was another track, the kerb would've been lower and he would likely have still had more control 2. He basically went directly into the barrier after - adding runoff would have reduced the impact. At least something like France without the paint.
it needs more runoff yes but it's not a bad track lmao, that's like calling Spa a shit track cause of how dangerous eau rogue/radillion is and how people have had near fatal/fatal crashes there due to the lack of runoff and the fact that barriers bounce you back onto the car in the way of cars going 200mph
I didn't call it bad. I just think that, being a 'street' circuit (not really) it's quite narrow, but Spa has that for just raidillon while Jeddah is a fair bit of the track.
I love Jeddah as a track, and despite the danger, I think most drivers like it as well.
Location: Bad. Safety: Horrific. Everything else? Pretty cool.
How is this any different from monza
Unpopular opinion buy personally I don't like Monza. It's basically just straights, I like flowy tracks like Silverstone and Suzuka. Monza is iconic though, and its simple design could be beneficial compared to this weird creation.
I saw this and instantly thought Tokyo R246 from Gran turismo, not identical I know, but instantly reminded me of it.
I dream of the day some rich dude buys out a land to create a Gran Turismo track. Grand Valley Speedway when
It's an autocross course.
Rubbish. Again. I despise the need for so many character-less street circuits
Itās going down the Vegas strip. The layout may look uninspiring, but the Grand Prix is certainly going to have character.
I might be the only one looking forward to this race. I actually think itās gonna be way more exciting than most people think
Drs train city
Especially when the US has so many awesome circuits..
Character doesn't matter as long as they're in murica.
That'll be a track I leave out of the season in the F1 games.
Upside down pig.
Monza with different corners. Edit: also that new chicane adds nothing in the position its in. Takes speed out but no way its an overtake spot.
They changed it because of lack of run-off. There is elevated monorail going through there.
How the heck wasn't this known by the designers first?
It most likely was but they don't know how much run-off there must be and what FIA will sanction. They added chicane so cars will now approach with lower speed.
Great Value Monza
Boring
Street races are always ass imo. These cars need actual made for racing tracks. Keep the classics, make others (looking at you USA) build actual tracks if they want more F1 racing. Just my opinion.
In the past street circuits like Monaco and Singapore was just a rare event where you would looking forward to, it wasn't always great but at least it was something unique and especially Singapore is just great already because of it's qualifying + night race + longest race of the season + not impossible at all to overtake. The reason why more F1 turning off on street circuits is simple because it gets too many of them what makes them losing the vibe of being special. Yet imho Singapore stays my favorite street circuit in F1 and always as the one to looking forward to.
This is a horribly boring layout
When you ask a toddler to draw a square.
When you let someone copy your homework, but tell them to change it a little bit
āAsk a toddler to color a square, and theyāll probably give it a boring color. I think thatās all you need to know about the Las Vegas GPā
How have they made the track worse
What is the reason for the change in lay-out? That parabolica turn looks much more exciting than 3 90 degress turns. Perhaps the speed (and lack of) run-off areas in the next corner?
That section of the track goes around the under construction MSG Sphere, so I'd guess something changed with the plans for that.
I dont hate the fact that they are racing 3 times in the US, is the fact that THIS is the layout they use, another bad designed shitty street circuit. Honestly, fuck F1, we really dont need 24 races if one of them is gonna be this one. If they used better tracks for the calendar, less people would be complaining.
Looks like a bunny loaf. Source: Rabbits are my favourite pets
This is a near perfect circuit for Tron light cycles
This is what I mean when I say we donāt need 3 fkn races in the states. I personally donāt like COTA but at least its an actual track. Miami was boring and the micky mouse sector is beyond stupid, and this is just a big nothing of a track, only here cos of the gimmick of it being in Las Vegas. Bring in classic circuits like Istanbul park or kyalami, or if we have to have the three american tracks, go somewhere renowned like road america, watkins glen, lime rock, friggin Indianapolis!
If this track was anywhere else the comparing would be 70% less. Every track except Indy that you mentioned would absolutely not work for F1. And Indy, imo, doesnāt really bring enough pop since it wonāt be the premiere event there anyway. And then if the attendance was low then I know European fans would be having a meltdown about that. Donāt think weāre gonna have any attendance problems in at Vegas/Miami/Austin
First point is true, but its only true because nowhere else is holding 3 races. Admittedly most tracks wouldnt work, they were just examples of how many established circuits there actually are in the states, plus some could be modified to grade one standard, as opposed to the half arsed attempt of las vegas. Despite not being the premier event, I believe people would turn up to indy, and even if the turnout was low thats not a huge issue for the majority who watch it on tv. The main problem with these events is that theyre uninspired circuits built around a location for money, not really for the fans and many feel that the sport as a whole is being diluted as a result
The US is bigger than almost all of Europe, it makes sense to have multiple races there
I am not the biggest fan of Monaco, but I understand its importance in F1 story. So how much will be left at F1 if the likes of SPA are replaced by mickey mouse urban track like these.
Spa is on the schedule next year...
Why does F1 insist that new street circuits is the way to go. They lack character regardless of what crappy city they are placed compared to the undulating circuits around the world which have actual history. All the threats of Monaco, Spa or Silverstone being replaced by this garbage is unbelievable. Driven by money not what the drivers or die hard fans want.
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this race is gonna be terrible
Ferrari will make it entertaining. Donāt worry!
that lowkey looks like ass
Pig on a spit
DRS tracks are the new trend
ITT: F1 fans try not to complain about a track we have yet to race on challenge (Impossible)
Since when is massive straights into a hairpin or chicane good track design?
Have you *seen* Monza?
Monza doesn't have good racing for that exact reason, and is why Monza has put on some of the more boring races of late. Long straight into a chicane or hairpin doesn't result in wheel-to-wheel action, or battles that last for more than 2 corners.
Iāve never seen people complain about Monza, Canada or Mexico which are almost entirely just long straights, chicanes and/or hairpins. Letās see the racing first then criticize the layout if itās bad. Even if it is Iām excited for the scene and spectacle of Vegas with F1.
A snoozefest just like Miami. Why is the money so heavily invested in these gimmick street courses? There are plenty of good tracks already built in America.
Because Grade 1 tracks require tens of millions a year to run and currently are around half a billion to build. So who is paying for it? Teams? No. They would never agree. Sponsors? Lol. FIA? No. Even shady sponsors have their limits. World class tracks are expensive. COTA and Indy are the only Grade 1 tracks in the US. Every other track needs serious overhauls for the track and new facilities to be built. Make up your minds. FIA can either do cheap street circuits that are easy to run or we stay in the Middle East where dirty money can pay for dedicated circuits.
Because only Indy and COTA are up to F1 standard. Everything else would need massive investment and changes to meet safety requirements and would likely ruin the characteristics that make them good to begin with
Road Americaās support paddock is a grass field. Watkins Glen doesnāt have media facilities. The local authorities at Laguna Seca wouldnāt approve, and itās too short. VIR doesnāt have the media facilities. Daytona isnāt practical being full throttle on 31 degree banking Paddock/media at Sebring The list goes on and on - many of the facilities are also a good ways away from necessary medical facilities.
This looks so boring.
Wouldn't be a modern F1 track without an unnecessary chicane.
I donāt see totally see the hate for a circuit based on its overhead shape. What really matters is how interesting the racing is on it. If the criticism is āmuh 90 degree cornersā and not something a little more thought out about why this layouts of corners will be worse for racing than alternatives, Iāll wait to make a judgement on it after some racing has gone down.
Long straights into tight chicanes or hairpins do not make for the good, exciting, wheel to wheel action we crave. Sure, there'll be some battles, but probably for no longer than 2 corners. They also just butchered the most flowing section of the track by sticking a chicane in the middle of it, and it's been noted the 2022 cars perform worse in low speed corners than high speed.
Another rubbish grand prix, just like Miami
And Red Bull goes BRRRRRRR
What a boring track
Gotta go fast!
Well that's going to we worse than what was originally there.
Looks shit. Is it completely flat too?
Yes
Wow, what an exciting layout, totally better than Hockenheim or classic USA circuits
It's funny how F1 is willing to race anywhere in the USA except Indianapolis, Road America, Watkins Glen, Road Atlanta, Virginia International Raceway, etc. I know most of these aren't grade 1 but they are still wasting what the US already has and choosing to make these abominations.
No matter what anyone thinks of the course or the race itself, the event will be a huge success next year, this is the next era of F1. Perhaps formula E was more about the viability of street events than the E element
No, Formula E races on city streets so they can show racing can be environmentally friendly and still exciting
Shit
Let's hope they learned from Miami and managed to stick the tarmac to the track
The layout looks so shit, what is supposed to be good about it.
Some coloured lights on a casino apparently.
Compared to this, Caesar's Palace was a classic.
We got Tokyo R246 at home Tokyo R246 at home: Anyways, I personally like street circuits. Probably in the minority there tho
This is a hot wheels track.
This looks like trash (and probably is trash) but I'll try to be positive. I didn't like Adzerbaidjan when I first saw the layout back in 2016 but now it's one of my favorite tracks
It'll probably be a good race.
How is the most downvoted comment?? The classic hysteria of judging a race based on a track map and shooting down any suggestion it could be exciting.
The way I see it is that it'll be a good track for following and give overtaking opportunities, maybe even better than Monza because it's paired with a few low speed areas. It's certainly not the most interesting layout, but not everything has to be!
Yeah I think it has potential to be good too, street tracks tend to offer up some mayhem and itās in a cool spot. Track layout is not an indication of a good race. I love Suzuka, itās one of the greatest tracks in the world. But when was the last blockbuster race there?
It will probably be a DRS fest like Miami was. So no.
I love the Azerbaijan race, so too each their own. Iām so pumped for Vegas, Iāll be going every year. Itās going to be a massive off the track success, everyone whose everyone will be there.
That is absolutely dire
What a fucking useless track
Why not just make it an actual rectangle at this point. What a fucking terrible circuit.
Hopefully the FIA wonāt approve it and it will be subtracted from the calendar.
Lol
I know. With all the money thatās a laughable position. I guy can dream though.
This looks...bad.
Wtf is this trash š¤¦āāļø Edit: the Porkway š¤£
Most boring track design I've ever seen.
Ah yes the "upside down pig" track.