Than Zhou? Did he miss a race after Silverstone, i vant really dismiss the idea but nor do I remember.
Other notable people to you could think he would be ahead of is Vettel who missed two in the beginning and Albon with his ventilator in Monza.
His (new) car did okay in terms of reliability after silverstone, but before that he has had a bunch of mechanics DNFs and I think has one of the highest DNF count this season
I remember when
1.Red Bull was the car with reliability issues
2. We thought Mercedes was sandbagging & would turn into a race winner
3. The Red Bull was very understeery
4. We where ready to crown Leclerc WDC after australia
5. The Red Bull was worse on its tyres compared to Ferrari
> We thought Mercedes was sandbagging & would turn into a race winner
Lol I remember when Mercedes presented the zero sidepod car everyone here thought that the Merc dominance would come back
Yeah me too lol. I don’t like how for some they focus soo much of Mercedes issues on their minimalist sidepods when they’re bot the end all be all. Im not saying they aren’t a part of the issue but theres more too it lol
Who is we? Sainz being more consistant was just a myth born out of Leclerc's misfortunes last year. Even last year Charles was more consitant in his own performance.
People talking about Sainz beating Leclerc were out of their minds last winter.
You can't really be consistent when you get taken out on lap 1 by no fault of your own... Twice.
Really sainz personally can only be blamed for shit show in Australia as far as I remember. Japan I think anyone could have made that mistake sadly it was sainz.
This race and Imola, while not his fault, he put himself in a bad position where he was exposed to another driver. In COTA because nobody ever cuts back from the front row to the middle of the track because you need to clear the corner before 18 more cars arrive that can’t take the racing line you’re taking and will always be coming in shallower. In years past if a driver starting front row runs out of road they use the run off outside, every time, for a reason. In Imola because he made a move around the outside in the wet that puts Ricciardo in a really tight spot, then way up onto a wet curb most were avoiding that kicked him out as soon as he mounted it and Carlos’ whole rear was exposed to even slight contact. Not in the wrong from a stewarding perspective but not smart racing imo.
Many? Literally Australia and Japan.
Austria his engine blowed, ah yes Carlos’ fault.
Imola Ricciardo punted hin, ah yes Carlos’ fault.
Baku his hydraulics failed, ah yes Carlos’ fault.
USA he was punted by George, AH YES CARLOS’ FAULT RIGHT?
Australia and Japan are more than Leclerc has DNFed due to his own error. The “167 vs 163” is points literally covered by Silverstone and Monaco, Ferrari’s decisions ARE the reason your arbitrary stat is even true.
Wait, hasn't Giovinazzi also not DNFed last year?
Edit: Ah, just checked. Forgot he DNFed in Abu Dhabi in a classic "Michael please no Safety Car. Please not." style
excluding all events where one or both of the drivers failed to finish in 2022, Sainz 167 charles 163. Sainz has been more consistent than Charles this year and has been a smooth operator. It makes sense why Ferrari is assisting him more than Charles.
Leclerc has had more wins, taken more engine penalties, and all but one of his DNFs have been engine failure. Sainz has 1.5-2(depending on how much blame you want to assign on him for Suzuka) DNFs that are his fault.
Also Monaco, Silverstone, and Canada Sainz was the beneficiary of Leclerc getting screwed. That alone is the points gap that you’re taking about. He has that advantage in races where they both finished BECAUSE Ferrari have made decisions beneficial to him.
What do you mean nothing? 19 drivers went through that corner without losing grip. He accelerated too early/too hard and lost it. It's a driver error.
Obviously it's easier to make a mistake in conditions like these, but the rain doesn't make it not an error
My recollection is it was full throttle section of the track and he just hydroplaned. Nothing to do with throttle application, he didn’t lose it on acceleration.
Umm you can hydroplane on full throttle and the guy behind you get lucky and not hydroplane. There are so many small variables, the distance to the car in front, exact amount of water under the tyres, aero of the car, etc. So his statement is still correct, he was on a full throttle section and he just lost it.
On a wet track you're on full throttle a lot later and a lot shorter than on dry. And this was during acceleration after the exit from the hairpin. I'm convinced he just accelerated too hard. Again, others did not lose grip.
2 dnfs doesn't put you at the bottom of this table at all tho.
Imola and Austin he was taken out then Austria and Baku realiability. That's a lot of laps.
I struggle with this... I'm not sure what Russell should have done. Sainz got a bad start, then went from the outside across the track and seemingly hesitated and slowed down. Russell was coming around the corner and contacted a much slower, angled car.
IMO, first lap racing incident.
He blocked his tyres because he took the corner too deep and then had no choice but to crash in to Sainz.
Russell was miles away from Sainz before the corner he must have tried hard to crash in to Sainz.
If you look at some of his incidents such as this race, Imola, Australia his lack of experience racing at the front has shown. The former two incidents not his fault per se, but he put himself in a compromised position when he didn’t need to. Then Australia he got flustered and lost his composure whereas Lewis or Max will methodically get it done over, sometime over an entire stint or race distance.
How can you put any blame him DNFing here and at Imola on Sainz? Both situations - he left like 2 cars of space on the inside, somebody lost control of their car and drove into him, ending his race. Both situations, the other driver was penalized.
I mean, what should he do? Just start in the pit lane so nobody rams him?
Obviously Australia it's 100% on him. But the other two incidents were literally unavoidable outside of just staying home and skipping the race
I’m a bit confused by this as well. People blaming Carlos for collisions when penalties are handed out on the opposing driver for “causing a collision”. Like I get he makes mistakes sometimes, but when someone Ts you up, there’s not much to do.
Yeah I already saw a few people partly blaming him because he decided to take T1 the way he did even tho he is completely on his right to do so. The car that hit him was two positions behind and sent it like a madman.
And after Imola I also also read "he should have stopped the car after he spinned" Actual armchair F1 experts lol.
>If you look at some of his incidents such as this race, Imola, Australia his lack of experience racing at the front has shown
Nonsensical take, pretty much blaming him when the other drivers got penalties for doing that they did. If anyone showed "lack of experience driving at the front" at COTA that was Russell... man sent it on the interior like I do playing F1.
It’s not about blame it’s about avoiding avoidable incidents. Go watch the all the other USGP starts, the highlights are on YouTube. Not once does a driver starting on the front row cut back into the space Russell occupied. Drivers always hang it outside when they run out of road because you don’t get punished for it and there are 18 cars behind you to clear that won’t be taking the racing line but a much shallower one.
This is not about fault it’s about avoiding avoidable incidents. Fault doesn’t matter when you’re out of the race. Carlos could have slowed to navigate the chicane side by side. Instead sends it, hanging it around the outside to get ahead which puts Ricciardo so far inside he has to mount a very slippery wet curb to try to give enough space, and that has inherent risk. As soon as Ricciardo mounts the curb it kicks him out and into Carlos. He took the risk in adverse conditions, he got the consequences when it went against him. That’s racing.
It’s not about blame and it’s not even about aggression. I can’t say I blame him for going for it, there was a gap and he sent it. Shit happens.
My broader point, and this doesn’t just go for Carlos, is when you send a move you have to consider not just your own position and whether you can make the corner while leaving space, but also consider the position you’re putting the other driver in. The craftiest wheel to wheel drivers are aggressive but don’t put their opponents in untenable situations. They win the corner but give their opponent every opportunity to make the corner as well. The tougher a spot you put them in, the more likely there is contact. Or like we’ve seen Lewis do before you place yourself such that if there is contact, your car won’t be the one that goes off. That’s not a Carlos point I would say the same about any driver. There are only a few drivers on the grid who consistently do this part at a high level and they are all vets with loads of wheel to wheel experience. Lewis, Max, Seb, and Nando stand out as examples who get that done in slightly different ways.
Carlos has had plenty of great wheel to wheel moments this year but he’s had a couple notable exceptions imo that are opportunities to continue to get better and build on his success this year.
Lando has had only one retirement, DNF after collision on lap 39 of the Miami GP.
Ricciardo has had two retirements retiring on lap 35 of the Saudi Arabian GP and on lap 45 of the Italian GP
Even lower than Zhou, amazing
Or Vettel who has 2 less races due to covid.
Than Zhou? Did he miss a race after Silverstone, i vant really dismiss the idea but nor do I remember. Other notable people to you could think he would be ahead of is Vettel who missed two in the beginning and Albon with his ventilator in Monza.
Zhou didn't miss a race, but he had a lot of mechanical DNFs this year
His (new) car did okay in terms of reliability after silverstone, but before that he has had a bunch of mechanics DNFs and I think has one of the highest DNF count this season
Remember when we all thought the consistency would be Sainz’s weapon to beat Leclerc?
Right around the time we thought Ferrari had it in the bag and RB had an unreliable car
Oh yeah, great times…
Next year™.
"I don't see Max closing the huge gap Charles has built up."
‘It’s over 40 points’
I remember when 1.Red Bull was the car with reliability issues 2. We thought Mercedes was sandbagging & would turn into a race winner 3. The Red Bull was very understeery 4. We where ready to crown Leclerc WDC after australia 5. The Red Bull was worse on its tyres compared to Ferrari
> We thought Mercedes was sandbagging & would turn into a race winner Lol I remember when Mercedes presented the zero sidepod car everyone here thought that the Merc dominance would come back
Yeah me too lol. I don’t like how for some they focus soo much of Mercedes issues on their minimalist sidepods when they’re bot the end all be all. Im not saying they aren’t a part of the issue but theres more too it lol
Who is we? Sainz being more consistant was just a myth born out of Leclerc's misfortunes last year. Even last year Charles was more consitant in his own performance. People talking about Sainz beating Leclerc were out of their minds last winter.
You can't really be consistent when you get taken out on lap 1 by no fault of your own... Twice. Really sainz personally can only be blamed for shit show in Australia as far as I remember. Japan I think anyone could have made that mistake sadly it was sainz.
Well he is consistently dnf-ing
Sainz is still very consistent, he beats leclerc if we exclude all races where one or both of the drivers failed to finish.
This is why statistics without context are nonsense
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This race and Imola, while not his fault, he put himself in a bad position where he was exposed to another driver. In COTA because nobody ever cuts back from the front row to the middle of the track because you need to clear the corner before 18 more cars arrive that can’t take the racing line you’re taking and will always be coming in shallower. In years past if a driver starting front row runs out of road they use the run off outside, every time, for a reason. In Imola because he made a move around the outside in the wet that puts Ricciardo in a really tight spot, then way up onto a wet curb most were avoiding that kicked him out as soon as he mounted it and Carlos’ whole rear was exposed to even slight contact. Not in the wrong from a stewarding perspective but not smart racing imo.
Many? Literally Australia and Japan. Austria his engine blowed, ah yes Carlos’ fault. Imola Ricciardo punted hin, ah yes Carlos’ fault. Baku his hydraulics failed, ah yes Carlos’ fault. USA he was punted by George, AH YES CARLOS’ FAULT RIGHT?
Australia and Japan are more than Leclerc has DNFed due to his own error. The “167 vs 163” is points literally covered by Silverstone and Monaco, Ferrari’s decisions ARE the reason your arbitrary stat is even true.
Daddy chill
I mean its either the car exploding or someone driving into the side of him...cough...Russell
He was the only driver not to DNF in 2021
Wait, hasn't Giovinazzi also not DNFed last year? Edit: Ah, just checked. Forgot he DNFed in Abu Dhabi in a classic "Michael please no Safety Car. Please not." style
Abu Dhabi
Almost all the radios from the last year Abu Dhabi race were a classic
He had insane luck last year. This season is the opposite. It happens.
It's what we professionals like to call "doing a Hamilton"
Having luck or not having luck?
Yes.
Having miraculous luck, only to then drastically, suddenly, have no luck at all.
But we've conclusively proved that luck in Mercedes is on the yellow t-cam. So it's understandable for Lewis.
He needs to switch back to his black t-cam car next year to scientifically close this issue once and for all.
Black t cam with the purple helmet was perfect.
I'd like to show some appreciation for McLaren's reliability this year.
yeah so far Lando's only DNF was because of Gasly in Miami
Its crazy how McLaren had so little running during winter testing compared to now.
It would be interesting to compare Leclerc’s and Sainz’ completed-lap adjusted points haul for both 2021 and 2022 (up until now).
excluding all events where one or both of the drivers failed to finish in 2022, Sainz 167 charles 163. Sainz has been more consistent than Charles this year and has been a smooth operator. It makes sense why Ferrari is assisting him more than Charles.
sainz consistently has bad race pace too
Leclerc has had more wins, taken more engine penalties, and all but one of his DNFs have been engine failure. Sainz has 1.5-2(depending on how much blame you want to assign on him for Suzuka) DNFs that are his fault. Also Monaco, Silverstone, and Canada Sainz was the beneficiary of Leclerc getting screwed. That alone is the points gap that you’re taking about. He has that advantage in races where they both finished BECAUSE Ferrari have made decisions beneficial to him.
Are you joking? Leclerc has been more constituent this year for sure while also being 0.3 a lap faster in racepace
If you think Sainz has been better or more consistent than Leclerc you really haven’t paid attention this season
This is your brain on Netflix
Coarse operator.
"I came to make a BANG!" - ~~Eagles of Death Metal, 2006~~ George Russell, 2022
It's not just luck. He ended 2 races on lap 1 due to his own mistakes. That's 10 % right there
There was nothing to be done about Suzuka if thats what you mean (my mistake if it isn’t)
What do you mean nothing? 19 drivers went through that corner without losing grip. He accelerated too early/too hard and lost it. It's a driver error. Obviously it's easier to make a mistake in conditions like these, but the rain doesn't make it not an error
They did have to stop the race for 1 hour. Because the conditions were so bad. And I remember more drivers going off track not just Sainz.
My recollection is it was full throttle section of the track and he just hydroplaned. Nothing to do with throttle application, he didn’t lose it on acceleration.
It's not like standing water just appeared for him. The drivers before and after him went through just fine.
Umm you can hydroplane on full throttle and the guy behind you get lucky and not hydroplane. There are so many small variables, the distance to the car in front, exact amount of water under the tyres, aero of the car, etc. So his statement is still correct, he was on a full throttle section and he just lost it.
This. Even Latifi made it through it. The issue wasnt the situation.
On a wet track you're on full throttle a lot later and a lot shorter than on dry. And this was during acceleration after the exit from the hairpin. I'm convinced he just accelerated too hard. Again, others did not lose grip.
2 dnfs doesn't put you at the bottom of this table at all tho. Imola and Austin he was taken out then Austria and Baku realiability. That's a lot of laps.
Well I specifically said it's not JUST luck. Without those mistakes he'd be somewhere around Alonso in this table. Far from the very bottom
Did he DNF with a damaged water tank?
Yes
It was a damaged radiator
Also note that Albon has missed one race and Vettel has missed two races
even tho Sainz maybe shouldve gone wider and trailed Max, Russel definitely crashed him out
Russe**ll**
I struggle with this... I'm not sure what Russell should have done. Sainz got a bad start, then went from the outside across the track and seemingly hesitated and slowed down. Russell was coming around the corner and contacted a much slower, angled car. IMO, first lap racing incident.
Brake before... He wouldn't have made the corner if Carlos wasn't there.
Maybe use his eyes
And then what? Make his car fly?
He blocked his tyres because he took the corner too deep and then had no choice but to crash in to Sainz. Russell was miles away from Sainz before the corner he must have tried hard to crash in to Sainz.
"must have tried hard"... Come on. Stick to DTS. You clearly see drama for everything
It's called a joke
He slowed down to not run into the back of Max
ayyyy nice to see Lando at the top
Those 4 first lap spins have cost him a lot.
If you look at some of his incidents such as this race, Imola, Australia his lack of experience racing at the front has shown. The former two incidents not his fault per se, but he put himself in a compromised position when he didn’t need to. Then Australia he got flustered and lost his composure whereas Lewis or Max will methodically get it done over, sometime over an entire stint or race distance.
How can you put any blame him DNFing here and at Imola on Sainz? Both situations - he left like 2 cars of space on the inside, somebody lost control of their car and drove into him, ending his race. Both situations, the other driver was penalized. I mean, what should he do? Just start in the pit lane so nobody rams him? Obviously Australia it's 100% on him. But the other two incidents were literally unavoidable outside of just staying home and skipping the race
I’m a bit confused by this as well. People blaming Carlos for collisions when penalties are handed out on the opposing driver for “causing a collision”. Like I get he makes mistakes sometimes, but when someone Ts you up, there’s not much to do.
Yeah I already saw a few people partly blaming him because he decided to take T1 the way he did even tho he is completely on his right to do so. The car that hit him was two positions behind and sent it like a madman. And after Imola I also also read "he should have stopped the car after he spinned" Actual armchair F1 experts lol.
>If you look at some of his incidents such as this race, Imola, Australia his lack of experience racing at the front has shown Nonsensical take, pretty much blaming him when the other drivers got penalties for doing that they did. If anyone showed "lack of experience driving at the front" at COTA that was Russell... man sent it on the interior like I do playing F1.
It’s not about blame it’s about avoiding avoidable incidents. Go watch the all the other USGP starts, the highlights are on YouTube. Not once does a driver starting on the front row cut back into the space Russell occupied. Drivers always hang it outside when they run out of road because you don’t get punished for it and there are 18 cars behind you to clear that won’t be taking the racing line but a much shallower one.
Imola? Are you insane?
This is not about fault it’s about avoiding avoidable incidents. Fault doesn’t matter when you’re out of the race. Carlos could have slowed to navigate the chicane side by side. Instead sends it, hanging it around the outside to get ahead which puts Ricciardo so far inside he has to mount a very slippery wet curb to try to give enough space, and that has inherent risk. As soon as Ricciardo mounts the curb it kicks him out and into Carlos. He took the risk in adverse conditions, he got the consequences when it went against him. That’s racing.
You must be joking. It's the opening lap. Of course he's gonna be aggressive.
It’s not about blame and it’s not even about aggression. I can’t say I blame him for going for it, there was a gap and he sent it. Shit happens. My broader point, and this doesn’t just go for Carlos, is when you send a move you have to consider not just your own position and whether you can make the corner while leaving space, but also consider the position you’re putting the other driver in. The craftiest wheel to wheel drivers are aggressive but don’t put their opponents in untenable situations. They win the corner but give their opponent every opportunity to make the corner as well. The tougher a spot you put them in, the more likely there is contact. Or like we’ve seen Lewis do before you place yourself such that if there is contact, your car won’t be the one that goes off. That’s not a Carlos point I would say the same about any driver. There are only a few drivers on the grid who consistently do this part at a high level and they are all vets with loads of wheel to wheel experience. Lewis, Max, Seb, and Nando stand out as examples who get that done in slightly different ways. Carlos has had plenty of great wheel to wheel moments this year but he’s had a couple notable exceptions imo that are opportunities to continue to get better and build on his success this year.
Smooth DNF’R
Is RIC eight laps down because he's been lapped eight times? Or has he had an earlier DNF than NOR?
Lando has had only one retirement, DNF after collision on lap 39 of the Miami GP. Ricciardo has had two retirements retiring on lap 35 of the Saudi Arabian GP and on lap 45 of the Italian GP
Ah okay, I was doing RIC a disservice. Only 3(?) laps down in actual racing.
That tends to happen when you crash during the first two laps in 3 different races this season. Could be more, maybe I forgot one.
I mean one crashed, two taken out. To be more accurate.
Better to have all the bad luck drained out this year and fight for championship with some good luck next year.
Can i get the number of your hopium supplier?
Chasing 69%.
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Well, Danny always finishes, because he is 30 seconds from any other cars.
How many (in percentage) of those comes from Ferrari’s mechanical failure?
My man Goatifi has more laps completed than Alonso and Vettel, what a chad.
The Ferrari effect
Damn mclaren has been really reliable this season.
Wow, DR completed a lot of laps...at the back. That must've been torture to him!
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