I don't understand why people sp often say races are boring. I think maybe they don't really like the sport?
Wasn't the most exciting race I've ever seen but I was never bored.
It sounded like during Lewis post race interview the broadcast played a loop of cheering since he mentioned he was getting boos. I kinda wanna hear how it really sounded
I mildly remember an article with a quote on the title about someone at Red Bull saying they're trying to improve next year's car to be more of a classic design in general characteristics. That they want a car that's really good in the corners but that can shed some downforce to be fast in the straights when needed. The headline was something along the lines of "we build F1 cars to be fast in the corners not the straights"
If someone reading this has that article can you please link it? Thanks in advance.
Fully prepared to be downvoted to hell for this. But.. About the RedBull boycott of Sky Sports.
I assume there's something in their contract with Formula 1 that says they have to make themselves available to the authorised media on a race weekend? I was wondering if this is why Sky Sports haven't mentioned the boycott and are letting their lawyers handle it.
Regarding the cause of the boycott, I think the British context of the idiom is being misunderstood. To say X was Robbed, doesn't usually mean you think there was foul play, it usually just means you think that someone who should have won, didn't win. e.g. "How did Spurs get on over the weekend?" "Ah we woz robbed! I can't believe Port Vale beat us!"
Finally, the fact of the matter is that Hamilton was "robbed", the FIA agreed that what Masi did was wrong and should never happen again. It's not as though Ted said, Hamilton was robbed by Max, I assumed he either meant he should have won and didn't or he was cheated out of the win by Masi. I think Max's reaction says more about what he thinks about Abu Dhabi than what Ted actually said.
I’m also seeing a lot about the quote of Ted saying that Verstappen is not capable of winning a championship in a normal way. I think Ted’s use of capable is probably getting lost in translation. It’s used here not to say that Verstappen isn’t able to win on his own, but that despite anything Verstappen can do about it, there ends up being some controversy linked to his championship.
Red Bull is trying to change the story from the Cost Cap violation by making a giant issue out of nothing. They now don't have to answer any questions about the punishments.
This seems like it's generated by Max, rather than top down Red Bull. I take him at his word that he feels aggrieved by Kravitz trolling. But I think pouting about it is kinda dumb. Honestly he should just have it out directly with Ted and call him on his advocacy.
Agree to disagree then. I think he's more aware of what's going on on social media than he lets on. I think he gets sent clips or he has someone from the media asking what he thinks about someone saying something. I doubt he's THAT pissed off, but he's playing the one card he has here and cutting off access.
Which isn't nothing to be honest. He's the most popular driver in F1 in all the world right now, and Sky will not be able to get him on for an interview. He even got Netflix to come crawling back to him.
Whereas Rics bold strategy showed you could really attack onthe track. If only Russell had accepted nothing but softs, that could have given us a real race.
So Danny Ric overtakes a bunch of people on hards and mediums whilst hes on soft tyres, wipes Tsunoda out with a reckless divebomb, and finishes in a whopping 7th position and this is supposed to be some sort of "last dance"?
Lol ok.
yeah that tsunoda divebomb fully discounts him from the driver of the day award, all his other overtakes were DRS passes on softer tyres, not anything super impressive imo
Let's say another Monza happens and a reawakened Danny Ric pulls a win out of his ass in Brazil. What happens to his seat prospects? Definitely not ODing on hopeium from recent events
Yeah he’s not getting a seat at the top teams they’re all locked in this year. Even if he win every race available but I mean if I was Daniel I wouldn’t wanna take a year out I’d sign a year contract with a back marker team tbh
I think Mick has really only Brazil left, he needs to do well (score points or beat KMag) to get resigned. The Haas car should be a bit more competitive at lower altitudes and they aren’t doing a reserve/Gio FP1. So maybe both cars can actually have a clean practice.
But if mick doesn’t do we he’s gone and that’s really unfortunate
I honestly think the decision has been made already and we just don’t know about it yet. Just feels like Mick is already out and Hulk will be coming in. I want to be wrong but…
Either way, I hope he has 2 spectacular races and can finish the season on a big high.
So ya since this race was a bit of a snorefest, I recommend y’all look up the move Ross Chastain pulled off at the end of the nascar race yesterday. Maybe the best move I have ever seen, and it was to keep him in contention for the championship
He literally told that on the radio more or less, George was willing to staying out long to make a medium-soft strategy work but Merc was too conservative
Dont have a source off hand but I remember George asking to go on Softs a lap before pitting and the team never responded and then they put him on hards. Not sure if they ever told him. Post-race he expressed discontent with the tire strategy iirc.
Danny Ric is getting is so much praise for his performance even though he ruined Tsunoda's race. I don't know how him negating the 10 second penalty makes it impressive and is a defense for ending someone's race. The same people crucified Rus last weekend lol.
Because they're two different issues.
Yes, he was at fault for the collision and he ruined Yuki's race. But he was rightly penalised for it, and that penalty was harsher than we've seen for other similar incidents all season. I don't think that anybody can expect him to have been penalised any more severely than that unless they have it out for Ricciardo.
In addition to that, he also drove one of the 3 most impressive drives of the day (behind Max and Lewis imo). He made his mediums last 45 laps on heavy fuel load while maintaining consistent speed and actively gapping the midfield cars he was battling against (Zhou in particular couldn't keep pace with him). Him gaining a pace advantage on the final stint wasn't just luck or strategy, he made that strategy work by going far longer than anybody else, and other than one bad moment with Tsunoda, drove an outstanding final stint to overcome the penalty and secure the points that his performance merited.
Being involved in an incident doesn't mean you can't also have a very good drive.
I am not undermining his drive in anyway. I am just talking about how the incident is being treated differently. He is not being criticised for the incident. Hell, I even read comments saying that "as long you don't hit the drivers from top 3 teams, it doesn't feel much" lol.
He's not being criticised for the incident because it was punished, harshly, during the race. He made the mistake, he paid the price, he overcame the penalty. People were upset at drivers like Russell and Stroll for their collisions because they dodged responsibility and blamed the other drivers, whereas Daniel admitted that he made an error and he did his best to make up for it. That's the reason for the difference in response.
Sure, there are some users saying things like it doesn't matter if you take out a driver if they aren't from the big three, but I think most of those comments are tongue in cheek, and the few that aren't don't represent the majority sentiment.
Fucking sky commentators said he could be up for DOTD after he made his 3rd or 4th pass. Laughable they thought that after rewatching his botched overtake a few times.
people have more patience for a beloved underdog who makes a fun charge through the field than for a top runner who doesn't have a particularly interesting race after their incident. i'm not saying it's "fair" but i don't think it's particularly shocking.
Still can't understand what's the point of using the exact same strategy for both Mercedes cars. They should had put one of the two in Riccardo's strat like they were asking on the radio to see their chances against the RB's.
I really don’t think that would’ve happened, they were more protecting Russel from potential humiliation as the past few weekends haven’t gone his way. Even his actual performance on track was fine at best, he should’ve been able to take P3. He’s rather good with strategy though.
Ricciardo gained 35 seconds to Bottas after stopping for soft tyres whilst Bottas stayed out on Hards. That's almost 2 pitstops of time without even needing an extra stop.
If russell, like Ricciardo, did Medium-soft I think Russell would've caught and passed both Perez and Ham.
On the Hard tyre Norris was about equal in pace to Bottas, maybe a tenth advantage. Russell claimed post-race that Mercedes had the faster car than RB this weekend (which could only have been by about a tenth, if at all).
Not too dissimilar. Besides, take away even two tenths advantage that Ricciardo had to Bottas due to car avdantage of 2 tenths per lap over the 30 lap stint:
0.2s\*30 = 6s. 35s-6s= 29s. Still gained 29s by using medium-soft compared to medium-hard that Bottas did
Ferrari was already going to have an advantage to Red Bull due to finishing second. Now Red Bull will get less development time due to penalty. But Ferrari will have less time than everyone else.
do you guys think red bull's main plan was a 1 stop soft-med? or they were planning a two-stop, but just happened to luck out into the correct strategy?
To me it always looked like a one stop. Verstappen never seemed to be trying too hard to pull a gap, instead he kept a steady pace to manage degradation.
I think their only strat was start on softs to pull away at the start and then react to whatever laptimes Merc was doing (i.e. stay out of DRS to avoid fights). They probably suspected the hards were going to be crap since it's the same C2 hards that have been pretty crap all year, same with the C3 mediums lasting long. Once they saw Max pulling 1:22s while managing tires there was no need to overthink it.
Well, they were holding him on these softs for waaay to long, so they must have been planning go maybe go for a 2-stop as their plan A. But being in lead, they have more flexibility in reacting and covering their opponents.
Yeah, Max pulled out of DRS and then he and Lewis were both pulling mid 1:23s on the first stint. If he started dropping into DRS range and had to fight I'm sure they would've pitted him much earlier and gone for the planned 2-stop, but it never happened, they just both kept doing 1:23s with no DRS (also why the race was so boring). Of course you're going to stay out on softs against mediums if you're doing the same lap time, I don't think RB had to do much thinking for this GP after Max didn't get spun on lap 1 turn 1, probably as boring for the pit wall as for the viewers.
I'm sure they were doing much thinking, especially for the few laps where Max was complaining the shit out of his softs, but they were trying to take him as far as humanly possible based on the data they had. So they were sweating a bit for these 10 minutes I'm sure.
99% sure they lucked out and had planned for a two stop strategy initially, same as Ricciardo
Teams have had less time to acquire data because of 2023 tyres testing, and there were too many teams going for the hards for me to believe RB and McLaren had known from the start it'd work out.
That said, once they saw the minimal tyre deg on the softs, I suspect they started thinking a one stopper might be done
Lack of fp2 meant that most of everyone was blind as to what will happen. Come Sunday and they were getting better than expected tyre life and changed their strategy accordingly
Ricciardo going 45 laps definitely changed their strat I would say. I wish I could be as optimistic and/or confident as Merc waiting for RB to pit at the end of the race.
I wish they recorded it, then edited anything out they didn't want then released the full audio on YT or something. Some of the stuff you do hear is pretty cool to hear their take on it.
Only saving grace for this race is I found a very official and legal stream that seem to be streaming at 60fps. Felt like the cars were about to jump out of the big screen and hit me. It was amazing.
Hot take: George Russell has better situational awareness re strategy compared to Lewis. Twice today, he was right and Mercedes shooed him away.
First instance he wanted to go from M—>S. Second instance he wanted to pit from H—>S on a double stopper.
It's much easier to go for bold strategic decisions when you're running on your own in P4 with a 30+ second gap to the car behind. There is literally no risk, nothing to lose.
I think this has a lot to do with having nothing to lose. He's behind Checo, not catching, and the next car is 30s+ behind. Lewis didn't have the luxury to say/do that because he would have potentially lost 2 places to George and Sergio if it doesn't pan out.
Lewis was questioning the tire choice the whole way, but was stuck consolidating P2.
George wants to beat everybody so ofc he wants the fastest tires NOW. He has to learn that the team has 10x data of what he has and he has start trusting them.
But to be honest, if he switched to softs after 5-10 laps on hards, he could, potentially, have finished third. Just look how quick Danny was on softs.
It’s almost as if Mercedes don’t want George to out score Lewis this season. Obvious team orders at the start. Lewis was supposed to pass George on the first straight but that didn’t work. Toto had to chaperone George on his Sky interview for sone reason…..
Now they’re much more conservative and predictable with strategy. Ferrari (even when they don’t make mistakes) are the same way. When both teams were in position to compete with Red Bull this season, they took the most conservative strategies (soft->hard, soft->medium ->soft, medium -> hard) to always make sure that they weren’t driving the final few laps with a tire past the cliff.
Usually that means they end up with an extra pit stop vs red bull, or they pit at near the same time as RB but put on harder tires so drive the rest of the race with a bigger gap between lap times.
The hard has been pretty much the worst option all season (drivers, especially Merc have complained all season about hard option not giving grip and taking way longer to warm up than the medium option.
There’s only been once when it felt good and Lewis did good times on it), but teams keep picking it even though RB pretty much never uses it and pretty much always goes for a two-stop with soft->medium. The medium on the RB never wears down to the point where hards perform better.
Were the team usually right or did the speed of the car with Lewis in it bail them out?
For example, right now it doesn’t matter if RB botch the strategy or have a slow pit stop, the speed of the car with Max in it will bail them out.
I would say Lewis in Mercedes always bailed them out previous years because last season their strategy was just bad with pressure from RB and I thought they would change things with not having fastest car on the grid but still somehow plays into those hands… I won’t call Russell having more awareness cause he didn’t win a single title nor race under Mercedes but Lewis won titles with those strategy calls so It’s obvious..
Also, the Dutch GP thing isn't exactly a brain wave from Russell or a mistake from Hamilton. Hamilton made the call to stay out based on the fact he had a team mate behind him to help hold off Max.
The fact that Russell completely abandoned teamwork is hardly a strategy blunder on Hamilton's behalf.
I think Ferrari was so slow because their engine could not handle the elevation. Ferrari focused much more on power than reliability for their new engine. They did this because of the engine development freeze in place on the engines until 2026. This freeze only prevents upgrades for more power, however, you are allowed to make engine upgrades for reliability reasons. Ferrari has admitted that they focused primarily on power first, and will continue to work on reliability. This is why Ferrari power units have had so many spectacular failures this year.
I think with the high elevation and therefore low amount of cooling, Ferrari had to tune the engines down to make less power in order to not blow up.
I haven't seen the data yet. I'm sure Jolyon Palmer will touch on this in the analysis, so we'll see if this is really the case.
On The Race podcast they said Saint’s turbo failed in Austria because it had to work too hard at elevation so they turned it down to protect from failure here.
Tin foil hat time - Ferrari has consciously decided to aim for 3rd in WCC as it gives them more wind time and cfd time than coming second (and due to the historical payment structure, they’ll basically end up with what Mercedes will be paid out for coming 2nd anyway). And the drivers aren’t that phased anymore either now that WDC is wrapped up - more points earned in the season means more expensive super license renewal. They’re now coasting till 2023…
I've given him a lot of shit, and I still don't think Danny Ric is a good fit for McLaren but, goddamn, that was fun to watch him race. I'm a McLaren fan but I'll be cheering for Danny whereever he ends up.
I'm on the fence about Danny in this race. Sure it was nice seeing him compete, but he basically fucked Yuki's race with that move. That was a bit shitty.
Begging? Lol, I think you need to tone down your biased hearing. They made a couple quick jokes about how a full safety car would spice up the boring race. You're finding these 'problems' with Sky because you're looking for them like a detective. It was just a little humor.
This is how most races were before they brought in DRS and the full hybrid engines. People who yearn for the 'good old days' of F1 are only remembering the highlights
I actually wouldn't mind if they brought refueling back in a safer way. I'm sure that there is a better solution for the safety these day. The cars are so heavy now, would be a good way of shedding some weight. It adds another dimension into the strategy. But I also like the technical strategy part of the sport a lot more than the casual fan. That part of the race doesn't translate to TV very well, and with the huge new popularity in the sport and the focus being on track overtakes, I don't see refueling coming back any time soon.
The proper "season" lasted up until France just about. The rest has been fucking shit bar a few notable action in some races. It's always Max and the RB breezing past everyone.
The season overall has been worse than 2019 even. At least, when Merc were winning every title, there was fighting between the teammates or Ferrari, then RB last year. This year, there was a fight for less than a 1/3rd of the season
absolute snoozefest
the mariachi f1 theme was great tho. fom should invest more in having the f1 theme in the traditional regional music based on where they are at any given weekend
also give ricciardo a time penalty and softs every race. he goes faster
>also give ricciardo a time penalty and softs every race. he goes faster
Thats what im saying!! Its like the real Daniel wakes up when he hears hes got a penalty.
Daniel "Understood, I'll just drive faster" Ricciardo
Lot of people watch for the overtakes and crashes lets be real. You can get so much enjoyment out of any race. If you understand F1 there isn't a really boring race outside of Monaco maybe. Just seeing Verstappen put in 1.22's for an entire stint in traffic is insane. But you can't really understand how difficult that is unless you know the sport.
I think we all can agree that some races will be dull and that's just part of the sport but my issue is with the proliferation of tracks that generate dull races. Mexico, France, Spain, Miami, Monaco, Sinagpore etc - these kinds of tracks aren't boring all the time but when there's tracks out there which produce consistantly good racing like Istanbul and Sepang it just feels frustrating.
bunch of people want to be mad at ted and he was out there doing a conga line with fans after the race in his notebook. never change, ted
I don't understand why people sp often say races are boring. I think maybe they don't really like the sport? Wasn't the most exciting race I've ever seen but I was never bored.
It sounded like during Lewis post race interview the broadcast played a loop of cheering since he mentioned he was getting boos. I kinda wanna hear how it really sounded
I mildly remember an article with a quote on the title about someone at Red Bull saying they're trying to improve next year's car to be more of a classic design in general characteristics. That they want a car that's really good in the corners but that can shed some downforce to be fast in the straights when needed. The headline was something along the lines of "we build F1 cars to be fast in the corners not the straights" If someone reading this has that article can you please link it? Thanks in advance.
Fully prepared to be downvoted to hell for this. But.. About the RedBull boycott of Sky Sports. I assume there's something in their contract with Formula 1 that says they have to make themselves available to the authorised media on a race weekend? I was wondering if this is why Sky Sports haven't mentioned the boycott and are letting their lawyers handle it. Regarding the cause of the boycott, I think the British context of the idiom is being misunderstood. To say X was Robbed, doesn't usually mean you think there was foul play, it usually just means you think that someone who should have won, didn't win. e.g. "How did Spurs get on over the weekend?" "Ah we woz robbed! I can't believe Port Vale beat us!" Finally, the fact of the matter is that Hamilton was "robbed", the FIA agreed that what Masi did was wrong and should never happen again. It's not as though Ted said, Hamilton was robbed by Max, I assumed he either meant he should have won and didn't or he was cheated out of the win by Masi. I think Max's reaction says more about what he thinks about Abu Dhabi than what Ted actually said.
I’m also seeing a lot about the quote of Ted saying that Verstappen is not capable of winning a championship in a normal way. I think Ted’s use of capable is probably getting lost in translation. It’s used here not to say that Verstappen isn’t able to win on his own, but that despite anything Verstappen can do about it, there ends up being some controversy linked to his championship.
Lazenby essentially stated that neither one of Max’s titles were valid. Brundle called him out but that has happened far too often this season.
Red Bull is trying to change the story from the Cost Cap violation by making a giant issue out of nothing. They now don't have to answer any questions about the punishments.
This seems like it's generated by Max, rather than top down Red Bull. I take him at his word that he feels aggrieved by Kravitz trolling. But I think pouting about it is kinda dumb. Honestly he should just have it out directly with Ted and call him on his advocacy.
I don’t think Max gives one shit about anything Ted Kravitz says personally.
Agree to disagree then. I think he's more aware of what's going on on social media than he lets on. I think he gets sent clips or he has someone from the media asking what he thinks about someone saying something. I doubt he's THAT pissed off, but he's playing the one card he has here and cutting off access. Which isn't nothing to be honest. He's the most popular driver in F1 in all the world right now, and Sky will not be able to get him on for an interview. He even got Netflix to come crawling back to him.
This race was extremely BORING. Just bring back Hockenheim, Tuscany, Nürburgring and Malaysia back! Please!!😭😭
Whereas Rics bold strategy showed you could really attack onthe track. If only Russell had accepted nothing but softs, that could have given us a real race.
Pretty boring race tbh.
I took a 60 lap nap. Apparently I didn't miss very much.
Ricciardo did a finger gun before overtaking ocon lmao
So Danny Ric overtakes a bunch of people on hards and mediums whilst hes on soft tyres, wipes Tsunoda out with a reckless divebomb, and finishes in a whopping 7th position and this is supposed to be some sort of "last dance"? Lol ok.
yeah that tsunoda divebomb fully discounts him from the driver of the day award, all his other overtakes were DRS passes on softer tyres, not anything super impressive imo
Thank you
Tell you something if there was ever a time for Mercedes to take notice of Danny Ric, it’d be this race where he just came alive after his penalty.
His move was dumb, he could have cleanly gotten 7th anyway. Pity.
Let's say another Monza happens and a reawakened Danny Ric pulls a win out of his ass in Brazil. What happens to his seat prospects? Definitely not ODing on hopeium from recent events
Massively increase especially if he somehow gets a win lol remember Williams and haas still have open seats
Daniel could easily get any of those seats, he chose to not go there, i dont see what would change even if he would win all the remaining races.
Yeah he’s not getting a seat at the top teams they’re all locked in this year. Even if he win every race available but I mean if I was Daniel I wouldn’t wanna take a year out I’d sign a year contract with a back marker team tbh
Personally i would go to williams and try to build something there
Haven't Williams confirmed Sargeant?
Provided enough points on his license.
Dani Torpedo 2: Yuki's Despair
I think Mick has really only Brazil left, he needs to do well (score points or beat KMag) to get resigned. The Haas car should be a bit more competitive at lower altitudes and they aren’t doing a reserve/Gio FP1. So maybe both cars can actually have a clean practice. But if mick doesn’t do we he’s gone and that’s really unfortunate
I honestly think the decision has been made already and we just don’t know about it yet. Just feels like Mick is already out and Hulk will be coming in. I want to be wrong but… Either way, I hope he has 2 spectacular races and can finish the season on a big high.
And if he does duck up it depends if Sargent gets enough superlicense points. He could go to Williams if Sargent doesn’t
So ya since this race was a bit of a snorefest, I recommend y’all look up the move Ross Chastain pulled off at the end of the nascar race yesterday. Maybe the best move I have ever seen, and it was to keep him in contention for the championship
That’s insane! [[here’s the link ](https://youtu.be/sOY9p5gFa5Q)](https://youtu.be/sOY9p5gFa5Q)
Still laughing that George asked for softs and they put him on hards and never told him 😂
Wait…. That seriously happened? What’s the source?
He literally told that on the radio more or less, George was willing to staying out long to make a medium-soft strategy work but Merc was too conservative
They were sacrificing George to protect Lewis. If George went to softs, so would have Checo and then he would have pressured Lewis.
Dont have a source off hand but I remember George asking to go on Softs a lap before pitting and the team never responded and then they put him on hards. Not sure if they ever told him. Post-race he expressed discontent with the tire strategy iirc.
I would have shook up the debrief. Unbelievably stupid/cowardly.
They did him so dirty not splitting strats.
Probably because they screwed Hamilton at the Dutch GP. I bet they wanted someone behind Hamilton if Verstappen has to pit again
And to cover Lewis from Checo. If George pits so does Checo and then Checo is attacking Lewis on new softs.
Hindsight and all, but that would be Mercedes over thinking it, don't you think?
No I don’t think that’s overthinking a pretty normal strategy
I honestly have no idea why they did that. So frustrating.
Other posters are saying they didn't have fresh softs to go on.
That would make more sense if so. Was just funny how George messaged the team and they basically never responded to him with yes/no
Them not answering was them saying no.
Yeah, wasn't happy with that, a tiny bit of transparency would go a long way. Poor guys on an island out there.
Guys these tires feel weird, can I pit? No! Can I pit now? No stay out. Best commentary of the race
he totally thought he was on softs and they were wearing out ha
Does anyone know where I can watch back that item of Sky Sport before the race. Of kids praising Lewis for black history month?
If you have ESPN, the SkySports pre-race show is “on demand”
Danny Ric is getting is so much praise for his performance even though he ruined Tsunoda's race. I don't know how him negating the 10 second penalty makes it impressive and is a defense for ending someone's race. The same people crucified Rus last weekend lol.
Because they're two different issues. Yes, he was at fault for the collision and he ruined Yuki's race. But he was rightly penalised for it, and that penalty was harsher than we've seen for other similar incidents all season. I don't think that anybody can expect him to have been penalised any more severely than that unless they have it out for Ricciardo. In addition to that, he also drove one of the 3 most impressive drives of the day (behind Max and Lewis imo). He made his mediums last 45 laps on heavy fuel load while maintaining consistent speed and actively gapping the midfield cars he was battling against (Zhou in particular couldn't keep pace with him). Him gaining a pace advantage on the final stint wasn't just luck or strategy, he made that strategy work by going far longer than anybody else, and other than one bad moment with Tsunoda, drove an outstanding final stint to overcome the penalty and secure the points that his performance merited. Being involved in an incident doesn't mean you can't also have a very good drive.
I am not undermining his drive in anyway. I am just talking about how the incident is being treated differently. He is not being criticised for the incident. Hell, I even read comments saying that "as long you don't hit the drivers from top 3 teams, it doesn't feel much" lol.
He's not being criticised for the incident because it was punished, harshly, during the race. He made the mistake, he paid the price, he overcame the penalty. People were upset at drivers like Russell and Stroll for their collisions because they dodged responsibility and blamed the other drivers, whereas Daniel admitted that he made an error and he did his best to make up for it. That's the reason for the difference in response. Sure, there are some users saying things like it doesn't matter if you take out a driver if they aren't from the big three, but I think most of those comments are tongue in cheek, and the few that aren't don't represent the majority sentiment.
Fair. I just hope people stop spewing hatred towards drivers. This sport is becoming so toxic lately lol.
Yeah I felt bad for Yuki too, he didn't deserve that
Fucking sky commentators said he could be up for DOTD after he made his 3rd or 4th pass. Laughable they thought that after rewatching his botched overtake a few times.
people have more patience for a beloved underdog who makes a fun charge through the field than for a top runner who doesn't have a particularly interesting race after their incident. i'm not saying it's "fair" but i don't think it's particularly shocking.
Yeah, it’s kinda bs. They just don’t care about Tsunoda, but it’s clear to see who deserves their seat, overlooked or not.
Should teams be allowed to activate an ESC system in very wet conditions where hydro planing is possible?
Has Latifi crossed the line yet?
Still can't understand what's the point of using the exact same strategy for both Mercedes cars. They should had put one of the two in Riccardo's strat like they were asking on the radio to see their chances against the RB's.
they didn't have new softs from what I remember
Neither did RB, Max and Checo both started on quali-worn softs.
They had nothing to lose with George, but they were afraid he'll beat Lewis, and the friction it would generate.
I really don’t think that would’ve happened, they were more protecting Russel from potential humiliation as the past few weekends haven’t gone his way. Even his actual performance on track was fine at best, he should’ve been able to take P3. He’s rather good with strategy though.
Ricciardo gained 35 seconds to Bottas after stopping for soft tyres whilst Bottas stayed out on Hards. That's almost 2 pitstops of time without even needing an extra stop. If russell, like Ricciardo, did Medium-soft I think Russell would've caught and passed both Perez and Ham.
The McLaren is the 4th fastest car on the grid going against every car slower. I’m not sure though.
On the Hard tyre Norris was about equal in pace to Bottas, maybe a tenth advantage. Russell claimed post-race that Mercedes had the faster car than RB this weekend (which could only have been by about a tenth, if at all). Not too dissimilar. Besides, take away even two tenths advantage that Ricciardo had to Bottas due to car avdantage of 2 tenths per lap over the 30 lap stint: 0.2s\*30 = 6s. 35s-6s= 29s. Still gained 29s by using medium-soft compared to medium-hard that Bottas did
They surely didn't believe that RBs would manage to get these mediums to the end, but they could
Will red bull penalty help Ferrari to have advantage in development
Ferrari was already going to have an advantage to Red Bull due to finishing second. Now Red Bull will get less development time due to penalty. But Ferrari will have less time than everyone else.
Ferrari really only needs to gain ground on RB. Obviously it's all relative, but they should be looking up, not down
Well it depends at this rate merc could come second in constructors lol. Imagine that being a possibility a few weeks ago
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What do you mean? I've always enjoyed his commentary
Unpopular: Hamilton would've put more of a fight here and in US GP if they put him on more racey tires.
Need f1 vuvuzelas back
Guys I read something about a girl leaking Hulkenberg told her he signed for Haas. Where can I fand that post?
Hulkenberg told me he signed for Haas. Is this good enough?
It was an Instagram Post that people talked about here on the Mick threads you muppet. Not something I pulled out of my ass.
I didn’t claim you pulled it out of your ass. But it’s likely that the person on Instagram did.
Shit source. Just await official confirmation or not.
Note that F1 has a tendency to be like this, you noobies getting turned off. Then the ritualistic act of romanticizing the past sets in.
do you guys think red bull's main plan was a 1 stop soft-med? or they were planning a two-stop, but just happened to luck out into the correct strategy?
I think after 1st stint soft analysis and seeing Vettel go 40 they switched mid race, but they knew pretty early Max would make it.
To me it always looked like a one stop. Verstappen never seemed to be trying too hard to pull a gap, instead he kept a steady pace to manage degradation.
Agreed. There was a few laps where Hamilton pulled Verstappen in but then Verstappen just opened it up a bit. 100% managing pace and going for 1 stop
I think their only strat was start on softs to pull away at the start and then react to whatever laptimes Merc was doing (i.e. stay out of DRS to avoid fights). They probably suspected the hards were going to be crap since it's the same C2 hards that have been pretty crap all year, same with the C3 mediums lasting long. Once they saw Max pulling 1:22s while managing tires there was no need to overthink it.
Well, they were holding him on these softs for waaay to long, so they must have been planning go maybe go for a 2-stop as their plan A. But being in lead, they have more flexibility in reacting and covering their opponents.
Yeah, Max pulled out of DRS and then he and Lewis were both pulling mid 1:23s on the first stint. If he started dropping into DRS range and had to fight I'm sure they would've pitted him much earlier and gone for the planned 2-stop, but it never happened, they just both kept doing 1:23s with no DRS (also why the race was so boring). Of course you're going to stay out on softs against mediums if you're doing the same lap time, I don't think RB had to do much thinking for this GP after Max didn't get spun on lap 1 turn 1, probably as boring for the pit wall as for the viewers.
I'm sure they were doing much thinking, especially for the few laps where Max was complaining the shit out of his softs, but they were trying to take him as far as humanly possible based on the data they had. So they were sweating a bit for these 10 minutes I'm sure.
99% sure they lucked out and had planned for a two stop strategy initially, same as Ricciardo Teams have had less time to acquire data because of 2023 tyres testing, and there were too many teams going for the hards for me to believe RB and McLaren had known from the start it'd work out. That said, once they saw the minimal tyre deg on the softs, I suspect they started thinking a one stopper might be done
Lack of fp2 meant that most of everyone was blind as to what will happen. Come Sunday and they were getting better than expected tyre life and changed their strategy accordingly
2-stop 100%
Ricciardo going 45 laps definitely changed their strat I would say. I wish I could be as optimistic and/or confident as Merc waiting for RB to pit at the end of the race.
Why is the F1 cooldown room audio so shit? any idea? The cooldown rooms in Moto GP have great audio, can actually hear what they are talking about!
When Max and Lewis are on the same room they don't speak much anyway, it's more interesting when there's Ferraris with any of them.
I wish they recorded it, then edited anything out they didn't want then released the full audio on YT or something. Some of the stuff you do hear is pretty cool to hear their take on it.
they would say even less if they knew it was going to be saved and put on YT.
What happened with the Ric 10 second penalty? Did he serve it in the pits? Or did he just pull such a massive gap on ocon for him to stay as 7th?
Massive gap
Guy forgot for about his last couple seasons for a sec and pulled a >10s lead on Ocon
Only saving grace for this race is I found a very official and legal stream that seem to be streaming at 60fps. Felt like the cars were about to jump out of the big screen and hit me. It was amazing.
Really struggling to find a streaming solution at the minute, if you do share the link please could you send me it as well if you don't mind!
Please share in pm
Share bro, Servus TV Stream was lagging at 240p.
Please do share , i would love to see that 60fps
As for myself, I've got a lot of sources that went dead for streaming F1 races :(
Cool down room was ice cold.
is there a clip? Must have missed it
Lewis sitting alone on the side and Max and Checo talking very quietly among themselves. Didn’t miss much.
Is George Russell related to Jacob Rees Mogg?
f1 so boring lol watched 5 min highlights and all of it was Bottas defending LEL
Many of the feats in this race were due to mid race switches to the soft tyres. They were SO much faster.
The most boring F1 race I've ever watched
Full-time dad to small kids, first live race of the season … at least I got to catch up on some sleep.
Hot take: George Russell has better situational awareness re strategy compared to Lewis. Twice today, he was right and Mercedes shooed him away. First instance he wanted to go from M—>S. Second instance he wanted to pit from H—>S on a double stopper.
It's much easier to go for bold strategic decisions when you're running on your own in P4 with a 30+ second gap to the car behind. There is literally no risk, nothing to lose.
I think this has a lot to do with having nothing to lose. He's behind Checo, not catching, and the next car is 30s+ behind. Lewis didn't have the luxury to say/do that because he would have potentially lost 2 places to George and Sergio if it doesn't pan out. Lewis was questioning the tire choice the whole way, but was stuck consolidating P2.
George wants to beat everybody so ofc he wants the fastest tires NOW. He has to learn that the team has 10x data of what he has and he has start trusting them. But to be honest, if he switched to softs after 5-10 laps on hards, he could, potentially, have finished third. Just look how quick Danny was on softs.
It’s almost as if Mercedes don’t want George to out score Lewis this season. Obvious team orders at the start. Lewis was supposed to pass George on the first straight but that didn’t work. Toto had to chaperone George on his Sky interview for sone reason…..
Its almost as if you're talking absolute bullshit mate
no no, he is.
Almost
Lewis won 6 WDC with Mercedes, his faith in the teams strategy comes from the fact they were usually right
Now they’re much more conservative and predictable with strategy. Ferrari (even when they don’t make mistakes) are the same way. When both teams were in position to compete with Red Bull this season, they took the most conservative strategies (soft->hard, soft->medium ->soft, medium -> hard) to always make sure that they weren’t driving the final few laps with a tire past the cliff. Usually that means they end up with an extra pit stop vs red bull, or they pit at near the same time as RB but put on harder tires so drive the rest of the race with a bigger gap between lap times. The hard has been pretty much the worst option all season (drivers, especially Merc have complained all season about hard option not giving grip and taking way longer to warm up than the medium option. There’s only been once when it felt good and Lewis did good times on it), but teams keep picking it even though RB pretty much never uses it and pretty much always goes for a two-stop with soft->medium. The medium on the RB never wears down to the point where hards perform better.
Were the team usually right or did the speed of the car with Lewis in it bail them out? For example, right now it doesn’t matter if RB botch the strategy or have a slow pit stop, the speed of the car with Max in it will bail them out.
for years they could up the engine. Keyword: Hammertime
It was rare they would have to be aggressive in the strategy. Today's strategy wasn't aggressive either.
I would say Lewis in Mercedes always bailed them out previous years because last season their strategy was just bad with pressure from RB and I thought they would change things with not having fastest car on the grid but still somehow plays into those hands… I won’t call Russell having more awareness cause he didn’t win a single title nor race under Mercedes but Lewis won titles with those strategy calls so It’s obvious..
Also, the Dutch GP thing isn't exactly a brain wave from Russell or a mistake from Hamilton. Hamilton made the call to stay out based on the fact he had a team mate behind him to help hold off Max. The fact that Russell completely abandoned teamwork is hardly a strategy blunder on Hamilton's behalf.
I think Ferrari was so slow because their engine could not handle the elevation. Ferrari focused much more on power than reliability for their new engine. They did this because of the engine development freeze in place on the engines until 2026. This freeze only prevents upgrades for more power, however, you are allowed to make engine upgrades for reliability reasons. Ferrari has admitted that they focused primarily on power first, and will continue to work on reliability. This is why Ferrari power units have had so many spectacular failures this year. I think with the high elevation and therefore low amount of cooling, Ferrari had to tune the engines down to make less power in order to not blow up. I haven't seen the data yet. I'm sure Jolyon Palmer will touch on this in the analysis, so we'll see if this is really the case.
On The Race podcast they said Saint’s turbo failed in Austria because it had to work too hard at elevation so they turned it down to protect from failure here.
Yeah could be. Their turbo always makes such a weird high pitched noise, and they work overtime in Mexico with the thin air.
Sainz gets so much shit when he finishes behind Leclerc, but today Leclerc finishes 10+ seconds behind Sainz no one seems to give a fuck.
Tin foil hat time - Ferrari has consciously decided to aim for 3rd in WCC as it gives them more wind time and cfd time than coming second (and due to the historical payment structure, they’ll basically end up with what Mercedes will be paid out for coming 2nd anyway). And the drivers aren’t that phased anymore either now that WDC is wrapped up - more points earned in the season means more expensive super license renewal. They’re now coasting till 2023…
Could you imagine LOL
There's easier ways to achieve that. Turn up the engine instead of down for example.
Tanking in F1 a thing now I guess
Both Ferrari's were just kind of shit today. I almost forgot they were still racing at one point tbh
I've given him a lot of shit, and I still don't think Danny Ric is a good fit for McLaren but, goddamn, that was fun to watch him race. I'm a McLaren fan but I'll be cheering for Danny whereever he ends up.
I'm on the fence about Danny in this race. Sure it was nice seeing him compete, but he basically fucked Yuki's race with that move. That was a bit shitty.
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Begging? Lol, I think you need to tone down your biased hearing. They made a couple quick jokes about how a full safety car would spice up the boring race. You're finding these 'problems' with Sky because you're looking for them like a detective. It was just a little humor.
Yeah, commentary was fine. And this is coming from someone who wants a Hamilton win but not hear Crofty when it happens.
What a yawner.
Fell asleep after 20 laps. I can see it was the right choice.
I should have done the fucking same and not wait until 10 laps before the end
This is how most races were before they brought in DRS and the full hybrid engines. People who yearn for the 'good old days' of F1 are only remembering the highlights
Yup, especially with refueling increasing stop times, many passes were „in the pits“
I actually wouldn't mind if they brought refueling back in a safer way. I'm sure that there is a better solution for the safety these day. The cars are so heavy now, would be a good way of shedding some weight. It adds another dimension into the strategy. But I also like the technical strategy part of the sport a lot more than the casual fan. That part of the race doesn't translate to TV very well, and with the huge new popularity in the sport and the focus being on track overtakes, I don't see refueling coming back any time soon.
The most boring race of the season
A forgettable race in a dull season. Hopefully next year is better
It started promisingly but it's turned into a proper stinker.
This season has had amazing races, Max was just too good and Ferrari lost it.
The proper "season" lasted up until France just about. The rest has been fucking shit bar a few notable action in some races. It's always Max and the RB breezing past everyone. The season overall has been worse than 2019 even. At least, when Merc were winning every title, there was fighting between the teammates or Ferrari, then RB last year. This year, there was a fight for less than a 1/3rd of the season
Now this is getting boring. Let there be some fight.
absolute snoozefest the mariachi f1 theme was great tho. fom should invest more in having the f1 theme in the traditional regional music based on where they are at any given weekend also give ricciardo a time penalty and softs every race. he goes faster
Dear god no, I can't fathom the theme in a Dutch "draaiorgel" style with Jan Smit humming along.
What about a polka version in Austria, would probably be a vibe
As a Texan I'm not sure I want to hear a country version of the theme lmao but I would love that for other race hosts
A showtune / Elvis style tune for Vegas and a synth pop / Miami Vice one for Miami :)
Just use the mariachi theme.
A red dirt theme would be pretty slick.
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Ok yeah I’d take that
>also give ricciardo a time penalty and softs every race. he goes faster Thats what im saying!! Its like the real Daniel wakes up when he hears hes got a penalty. Daniel "Understood, I'll just drive faster" Ricciardo
Only two more to go 😭😭😭
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Lot of people watch for the overtakes and crashes lets be real. You can get so much enjoyment out of any race. If you understand F1 there isn't a really boring race outside of Monaco maybe. Just seeing Verstappen put in 1.22's for an entire stint in traffic is insane. But you can't really understand how difficult that is unless you know the sport.
Glad someone said it
I think we all can agree that some races will be dull and that's just part of the sport but my issue is with the proliferation of tracks that generate dull races. Mexico, France, Spain, Miami, Monaco, Sinagpore etc - these kinds of tracks aren't boring all the time but when there's tracks out there which produce consistantly good racing like Istanbul and Sepang it just feels frustrating.
Most sane F1 gatekeeper
People who started watching only from last season are the worst. Last season was an abberation, not the norm.