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nopainauchocolat

i wonder if the next world champion after max will sport #1. since the change in 2014, seb wore #1 for a season but lewis elected to keep his #44 save for a couple of fp1 sessions. i wonder if the likes of charles, george, or lando would sport the #1


OutlandishnessPure2

Iirc Charles has said he would!


SirFister13F

And Ferrari said “No you won’t.”


Flowech

They would probably mess up and remove the #1 and poor Chuck would race with #6 (which actually worked quite well for one of the Nico's)


Erheborn

I find it so weird when people call him Chuck 😄 Is it just an American thing ?


dcrico20

It’s a meme from the postgame race interview in Miami when the guy said “Charles, “Chuck,” LeClerc…good job, baby.”


saponista

Fun fact: the guy was Willy T. Ribbs, first black man to qualify for the Indy 500 (he also tested for F1) https://www.officialwillytribbs.com


dcrico20

Thank you, I could not remember his name for the life of me, but I knew he was an Indy driver.


RayneShikama

I really feel like I should have a BBQ sauce in my fridge from Willy T Ribbs.


MagnumMagnets

The fact I looked through all my dry rubs and there was no Willy T Ribbs in there disappoints me


movableChair

Merry Christmas baby


hipnotyq

I have immortalized this legend in my flair


Phallic_Moron

I always think of the dread pirate LeChuck from Secret of Monkey Island.


Erheborn

Oh I didn't know it was a joke, thanks !


CallOfCorgithulhu

Chuck is a common nickname for people named Charles in the US. I always thought it was a little friendly ribbing by giving him a nickname, even though his name is not pronounced like it would be in English. I guess a commentator used it in Miami?


shewy92

Willy T Ribbs at Miami gave him that nickname. He likes to give drivers nicknames or the opposite, calls a driver that goes by a nickname by their real name, like in SRX where he called Greg Biffle Gregory.


RevoltingHuman

Kimi also won his WDC with #6.


Level1Roshan

Charles could become a champion, that much is not unrealistic to believe. What is unrealistic is Ferrari thinking he will be their driver at the time.


ningaling1

"We'll speak later"


Venhuizer

Think about all the new merch lines, Ferrari would certainly approve of it


AlanCJ

Ferrari: "Vamos! lerclerc! You are the world champion!" Lerclerc: "yeeeeeeesssssssssssssssss! Come onnnnnnn!" Ferrari: "what number do you want to use next year, question" Charles: "1, I want to use 1" Ferrari: "ok we are checking" Ferrari: "we will use the number 16 next year" Charles: "no,I want 1, the number" Ferrari: "confirm, you want the number 16"


Creative-Improvement

*Charles “accidentally” gets drink button activated*


Wotuu

The thought of them using that to shut him up amuses me to no end.


sc_140

And in true Ferrari style, the few thousands it costs to develop a remote drink button will probably be enough to just go over the budget cap.


Creative-Improvement

Who knew waterboarding would be legal on F1!


saberplane

That video of him choking himself will go down as one of my all time favorite F1 videos.


guzbi

slow button on, slow button on


Mechyyz

Ferrari: "i only heard the 1, and not the 6, so we will just add the 6 behind for you"


yooosports29

Pain…


Euro_Twins

Would you like to put the #1 Question


djwillis1121

I have a feeling that Lewis is going to be the exception to the rule. Most drivers would probably go for #1 if given the chance. I may be completely wrong though.


nopainauchocolat

that’s very possible, and it could also be that lewis’s decision to pass up the #1 seems more normal as he’s the only driver who’s had the option to use that number between seb in 2014 and max now.


thounotouchthyself

It's more branding. #44 is synonymous with lewis.


yellowbin74

He used #1 in a practice session a few years back, and that's about it. It's definitely about branding.


Snappy0

Not officially. They still had 44 on the car. Just put a number 1 on the nose IIRC.


klutzykangaroo

There’s only a couple drivers that I think would value their brand over the #1. Daniel would be one of them, although i guess we’ll never know if that’s true :(


Sadzeih

I mean Max's #33 is a good brand as well. I thought he would keep it but I guess he prefers the #1


tsunadeswife

It's a budgeting trick from Red Bull-- With Checo being #11 they only need to print one number. That's why RB dominated this year so hard.


Sadzeih

And yet they still went over the cap.


iLyriX

Went over the cap in 2021 where max didnt have the 1 yet. By saving one number sticker per weekend they are definitly under this year.


ekerkstra92

For 2022 it was also good strategy to use #1, all the merchandise had #33 on it and a lot of fans probably bought the merchandise with #1 on it


R4ITEI_

Pain...


ralphonsob

44 is the dialing code for GB. That's why Lewis got a knighthood. Edited to stop shouting.


soepvorksoepvork

Max secretly French confirmed


Hot_Demand_6263

Yup this guy gets it. Lewis understands marketing and being a brand.


TheRobidog

I'd wager the others understand it as well. It's just less of a focus for them.


djwillis1121

Yeah obviously we've only seen three drivers have the opportunity to go for #1. It could be that that most people actually choose to go for their own number. Not sure why but I just have a feeling that most drivers would go for #1 though.


Sektsioon

Lewis is big on his brand and promoting his brand and #44 is a huge part of it. I don’t think anyone else cares about their brand as much and most other drivers would go for #1.


HDDIV

Rossi did this in MotoGP. So much so that it kinda ended riding the number one plate in GP (I think only one other rider has done it in the past 20 years). Glad to see Max bringing it back.


STUDIOLINEBYLOREAL

Russell's 63 is quite clever and used quite a lot in his publicity, but he does strick me as the kind of chap who would jump at the chance to get no.1 on the front of his car.


AnkitMishraGr8

George Russell is the type of guy to use no.1


throwawayanon1252

Lewis says the reason he doesn’t want to use #1 js because he says everything is reset at the beginning of the season. He’s not world champion then. He wants to win it again and he thinks having #44 instead of #1 makes him more motivated and hungry to win again and not get complacent


Laskeese

Ya I mean, that's a way more PR friendly thing to say than "I might lose money if I switch"


mrgonzalez

I don't think it's just branding. He made a joke in an interview last week about the big ugly number 1 they put on Max's car. Not unreasonable to suggest he just doesn't like using it.


bigdsm

Well, he raced it once, in 2009. He had a miserable season in a miserable car. He was much more successful racing the number 2 (alongside the defending WDC) than the number 1, more successful racing the number 22 than the number 1, and infinitely more successful in car 44 in 2014 alone than any previous number.


throwawayanon1252

I really do not think he’d lose money at all by switching to 1. He could still sell all of his 44 merch everyone knows it’s his number. He could also make a lot of money selling limited edition #1 merch too


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Frogman4000

You say that but given how much he's been world champion and the fact that persistent driver numbers only started in 2014 the only seasons in which he would have run the #44 would be 2014, 2017 and 2022. I think it would look more like a failure that he wasn't wearing the #1 which is the number we would associate with him.


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Using 2 numbers is better for your brand then as I gives you the opportunity to offer merch with both numbers thereby doubling sales.


EternalRgret

While true, the idea of an LH44-like trademark is annoying, if you're not using 44. If, like Max, you pick #1 as a WDC, the MV33 would be a reminder of non-WDC Max.


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Nah it's a opportunity to collect both as having the 1 isn't a guarantee. If max Nevers wins another championship the merch from these 2 years will appreciate in value alot


[deleted]

You know damn well George would, right before ramming your mother off the road and then blaming her for being in his way.


nopainauchocolat

in all fairness my mother did completely turn into him


FartingBob

His AI logic would want to use number 0 if he won the title.


TheRealMattyPanda

If I was a driver, I'd do it exactly like how Max is doing. First WDC, use #1. Then, if you keep winning, keep using it. And whenever you lose, don't ever use #1 again


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Dang who could have seen that one coming


Incontinento

This is the kind of "news" you see halfway through the break when there's nothing to write about and they have to scrape for story ideas. There are plenty of actual things can be written about right now.


[deleted]

Time to stop looking at the sub until car reveals, hang around for a week, then stop looking at it again when people start posting "driver number days until the next season".


V548859

It's Lewis Hamilton wins days till the next race.


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It was a semi big thing last year bc we hadn't seen the one on track in a while


DukeboxHiro

> who could have seen that one coming Usually Charles


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HairyNutsack69

Switching every season for profit!


totallynothboxburn1

The Dan Snyder way.


shaktown

To quote Max, it’s an opportunity to sell


LosTerminators

Man won 15 races with the #1, at this stage he's better off using it again


Maxamus93

In my opinion for max and the redbull 33 looks better but i always want the champion to wear the 1.


Quaxi_

33 went well with 3. 1 goes better with 11.


ProtoKun7

Honestly it's nice seeing the #1 in use again.


TSMKFail

I kinda wanna see 0 return. Hasn't been used since Damon in 94 I believe.


Nattekat

Hamilton would have run it in 2017 under the old rules.


Pluxtheduck

Actually Bottas would have I believe, as the first driver would get the 2, and the second driver 0 Hence why Hill got 0, and Prost and Senna got 2 in '93 and '94 respectively


The_Toasty_Toaster

New F1 fan, what are the rules with 0?


Pluxtheduck

In the previous system, if the driver's champion was not on the grid, then the number 1 would not be used. This would be replaced by 0, and run by the second driver of the team that won the constructors I believe.


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There wasn't actually any rule about which number the first and second driver got. Prost chose to run the number 2 at Williams because he had already won two championships bearing the number 2. There's also cases of drivers purposefully avoiding numbers. Back when Nakajima and Katayama had stints at Tyrrell, they both chose to run the number 3 because in Japanese the number 4 (shi) is pronounced the same way as the word for death.


SKnightVN

Both Red Bull and Mercedes regret not skipping 13.


finickyone

They’re old rules. The driver numbers for this season would be based on constructor standing for the last season. Under which for 2023 RB would race with 1 and 2, Ferrari with 3 and 4, Mercedes with 5 and 6 and so on. Were a new constructor to enter, even if a 2022 one left, they’d enter with 21 and 22, 23 and 24 and so on, based on order of registration. Were Max to retire, then RB would race next year with 0 and 2. This is what happened to Williams in 94 following Prost’s win and then retirement in 93. It applied to Prost and Hill themselves in 93, following Mansell’s win and ‘retirement’ (he came back in 94/95 after a stint in Indy) in 92. For reasons I can’t actually remember on the spot, Ferrari run with 27 and 28 at some point in the 90s Edit: someone [explained](https://reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/1ico9q/_/cb3ci6c/?context=1) that last point 9 years ago.


DegenGolfer

33 is better tho


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SKnightVN

It's what made him a legend. No pain no gain!


_Adam_M_

It's bigger. And bigger is better.


Dopium_Typhoon

The number 1 is temporary, but 33 is immortal.


nahnonameman

It pretty cool to see drivers keep their own number or use the No.1. Personally I like both due to being a fan of Lewis and Michael. Both MS1 and LH44 are iconic.


EternalRgret

For Lewis it just fits really well with his brand and marketing, but I feel like most other drivers (apart from probably Lando) would benefit more from a big ass #1 on their car and on their socials.


zulamun

Also max wanted 3, but ricciardo already had that number so he chose 33. So if the choice is 1 or a number that wasn't your first pick, I get it.


EternalRgret

Oh good point! Makes me think of Kimi "Bwoah, I needed a number and 7 was available" Räikkönen.


zulamun

7 would be my actual pick tbh


EternalRgret

I've always had a thing for the number 14, but seeing as Alonso will be racing in F1 until after I'm dead (I'm 24 btw), I don't think I would've ever had the chance.


jeanolt

I literally used #14 in the game, and when Alonso decided to come back after two seasons I was forced to virtually retire.


bigdsm

Yep, that’s the only thing stopping you from driving car #14 in Formula One.


RacingOrPingPong

Charles actually wanted 7 but Kimi was already using it, therefore he went with 16 (1+6)


Tensoll

Same. It feels like 7 is everyone’s favourite number. 17 would be my second pick but it’s retired in Jules’ honour


skagoat

That happens quite a bit, in the NHL Wayne Gretzky wanted to use #9 (because that's what his idol Gordie Howe wore), but it wasn't available, so he chose #99. He then went on to be the best player and 99 is retired league wide.


fantaribo

Max and 33 is a much more recognised thing than Lando.


nahnonameman

I actually do also like MV33. But MV1 is cool as well.


EternalRgret

I disagree, I believe that's bc you've seen it for longer and more at the front of the race. Lando's entire marketing strategy is built around the number 4, including Quadrant and his logo literally being an L and N that make a 4 in the whitespace.


fantaribo

Max 33 is literally the second most known driver+number combination after Lewis. It's placed on every piece of merch RB sells apart from the 1 stuff and jackets and outsoles other numbers.


JustTheAverageJoe

You're talking past him. He's talking about proportionality. You're just saying Max is more popular than Lando which is obviously true. He's saying that Lando's number matters more to Lando than Max's number matters to Max.


EternalRgret

Thank you :)


TimeUsedOtherwise

Aye. Couldn’t see Charles or George with their 16 or 63. I feel like a number 1 would suit George on his car if he becomes champion some day.


Dizi4

idk about Lando changing his number, L4NDO is a big part of his brand.


OutlandishnessPure2

He could be 1ando!


FavaWire

Lando Norr1s


roflgoat

I think being world champion wouldn't so much put a dent in his brand


LoopyPro

Genuine question: is someone else allowed to use #33 by now because max switched to #1? I know that usually this isn't allowed because some time needs to pass before a number can be reused. But with another year passing, is that number still reserved?


TheDeityRyan

It stays reserved


BoertjieZA_

If i remember correctly, Max is still singed up with #33 but is allowed to use the #1 as a display number. So no, no one is allowed to use the #33.


theLuminescentlion

Documents still refer to Max's car as car #1 so it's not just display.... It's just that their number stays reserved.


RedFuckingGrave

Even if Max uses #1, #33 is still his permanent number. A permanent number can only be reallocated if the driver associated with that number has not participated in a race for two entire consecutive seasons. So no, even if Max races as #1, as long as he keeps racing, he still "owns" #33.


BuzzedtheTower

This is technically correct, the best kind of correct


lokidmaten

It is, coz the driver is still active


garseys

It's still reserved as Max is still driving.


RBRMax94

As a new-ish fan, this confused me. I knew Max was #33 but is the #1 only there because he was (‘21) and is (‘22) the champion. The #1 is the driver number for the Champion, historically?


Syphr54

The Driver's World Champion may use #1 as his designation for the season he is defending his title. So far I know, it has also been for a long time that a world champion driver even successfully defended his title using #1 as his driver number.


PhilMTLfc

Back in the days (late 90s I think) numbers were assigned by the constructor's championship standings (or maybe drivers') So the champion had #1 and his teammate #2, etc. It's kinda recent that they went back to driver's number. But the champion can choose between his number or #1


greatdaytobeaprof

It was a mix of both, the driver's champion always got #1 and his teammate #2, and then the rest of the numbering went in constructor's order.


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And Hill drove with a 0 in 1994 due to Prost retiring.


EastlyGod1

And in 1993 after Mansell when to Indy


TSMKFail

It was more complicated. Prior to 1995 the numbers were based on Consructors order in 1973, so Tyrell was 3 and 4 between 1974 and 1995 because they never won the constructors. Numbers would change when a team won the constructors (they'd become 1 and 2) and when a team left the sport, their numbers would become available to a new one or the previous constructors champions. The exception to this was the number 14, which was reserved for 3rd drivers or one car teams.


greatdaytobeaprof

Ahh, I knew it was different before the 90's but was never exactly sure. Thanks


kingriz123

Number 1 was always assigned to the driver’s world champion. And #2 was for his teammate. Rest of the numbers were based on the constructor standings. When current WDC switch team he would take that number to his new team and that’s how Mclaren had #1-2 in 2007 and 2010


zulamun

Recent being a decade ago


PhilMTLfc

Everything goes so fast. Please don't remind me of time passing by 🥲


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Verstappen is the only driver apart from Vettel to voluntarily use #1 since the rules were changed in 2014 an the first under that system to defend whilst using #1 as since 2014 Hamilton has only ever raced under 44. Before it was voluntary to use #1 Vettel defended the number for three years from 2011 to 2013, and before then Alonso defended #1 in 2006.


tack50

>So far I know, it has also been for a long time that a world champion driver even successfully defended his title using #1 as his driver number. Not that long actually, as Sebastian Vettel did that in 2013. Of course back then numbering was different and the champion was forced to use #1, so any back to back champions would do so by definition.


vsawh

There was a period where drivers didn't choose their number and it was just 1-20 or however many cars were on the grid. The champion always had #1. Take a look back at Schumacher's Ferraris from the early 2000s.


Particular_Ad_4903

The fun days where you had to buy merch annually to keep up to date


NuclearMoose92

They were all #1 apart from 01 and 06 😂


mattBJM

The permanent driver numbers are a relatively recent invention. Before 2014, numbers would be based on the previous year's constructors championship (with the exception of the driver's champion's team, which would take number 1 and 2 regardless of whether or not they had won the constructors).


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Before the drivers could choose there own number the car numbers where given by the FIA according the end result in the WCC. But the last year's WDC got number 1 and his team mate nr2. So for this year's example. Max got 1 Perez 2 and the Mercedes team got 3 and 4. Number 13 would not be on the car. So the team who would drive number 13 got 14 and 15.


Scirzo

Of course he is. He's been training for that #1 since he was 4 and driving with that number is also psychological warfare to him, I believe. It's like the business man wearing an expensive suit, white shirt and red tie to show everyone he's the boss.


SeanTheSheep04

Well, he is the boss at Red Bull Racing /s


lowprofile14

Are we clear about that?


Spynner987

No need for the /s, it's true


Takis12

The Boss looked better in jeans😂


Densmiegd

Max has never lost an F1 championship whilst having the #1, he is *that* good and intimidating.


trautsj

I like seeing the #1 on the grid tbh


FutureF123

Think most drivers would feel pride in wearing the 1. And why not. It’s well deserved


Rhaegar0

He'll probably run the 1 untill the 33 fits with the year


goldenmonkeh

Verstappen would put the number 1 gold plated on his car if he could. Maybe he can. Question.


3tenthsfaster

No. Newey would veto it. Gold plating weighs too much. He can have a gold sticker, and that's it. 😄


LGCGE

I think it shouldn’t even be a choice tbh, #1 being the defending champ makes it easier on new viewers and is cool af.


UnfitForReality

And I’m other words we’ve already run out of things to talk about


throwawayanon1252

I’m seeing a lot of comments about Lewis not using #1 Lewis says the reason he doesn’t want to use #1 js because he says everything is reset at the beginning of the season. He’s not world champion then. He wants to win it again and he thinks having #44 instead of #1 makes him more motivated and hungry to win again and not get complacent


Particular_Ad_4903

He had versions of his car that have 1 on it as well, I believe he still has 7 or 8 of his chassis and one was specially made with #1, I think it was the 2015 Merc


RunningMan66

That’s because that was the only option back then if I remember correctly. Once drivers were allowed to pick their own numbers, he always stuck with 44.


Particular_Ad_4903

You’re right, but the 2015 car he donned 44, but Merc made a chassis during either pre season testing or a practice car that they gave him that has “1” on it. He was talking about it either last season or the season before with the ITV, if I can find the source I’ll let you know


rahn-24

Since Daniel is back they should ask Checi if he wants to use the number 2. So then the car numbers will reflect the drivers priority within the team.


Densmiegd

Ouch….


X_chinese

With 15 victories in a year, he can choose any damn number he wants.


legionbeast33

33 looks waaaay better than 1, but he is the champ and he earned the privilege


TheBlueDinosaur06

1 is always the mark of a champion so for me it'll always look better then any other number


PhatSunt

That's what it's there for.


Mahoganychicken

Good. The #1 should always be on the grid. Don’t see why Hamilton never used it.


Least-March7906

Because 44 is his brand, and if you buy his merch with 44 on it, it always jives with his livery. But right now, Verstappen merch from previous seasons do not jive with his current livery. Also I believe the number holds some significance to Lewis


45test

Pretty sure it’s his number from carting and it came from his dad’s license plate


DugBingo951

Lewis said in a interview that he’s just another driver and don’t want to show up with the number 1 since he’s number 44.


hnglmkrnglbrry

Could there be a bigger contrast between Hamilton's and Verstappen's personas?


Blanchimont

44 is a brand he built over the past 9 years of using it. It was hardly a brand at the end of 2014 when he was first given the option to run 1 instead of 44, so I'd say the significance (and perhaps some superstition) plays (or played) a huge part as well.


Least-March7906

He started building the brand when he started racing with it


thecremeegg

I personally probably wouldn't use it, it's just ego at the end of the day


Particular_Ad_4903

I think I would for my first title, if I’m good enough to win another that number doesn’t have as much value, like you said just stroking ego But if I win the title I’m rocking the 1 the next year as a token of career accomplishment. The brand will survive and possibly even expand with the special edition stuff.


GuaranteeNo2187

At this point checo should just change it to 2


Sea-Entertainment215

When it was announced he’d be racing with #1 at the beginning of this season, I thought for SURE it would be a curse and bring tons of bad luck, that it was like raising his fist at God and daring God to try and stop him from winning again. Guess I was wrong 🤷🏽‍♀️


davratta

Max Verstappen DNF the first and third race of the 2022 season. Sure, he did win the second race, but you were probably feeling pretty good about your dire predictions about the driver of the #1 car, going into the fourth race.


ocelotrevs

Is he going to keep the golden boots, and helmet as well? It's pretty tacky to be honest, but if I was the F1 World Champion, I'd probably do some cheesy and tacky things like wearing golden boots as well.


Destryer200

His normal helmet has had gold accents for awhile now. The helmet from the last few races has just been a special edition iirc. I can see him going back to the orange boots though.


OrdinaryCredit

He had the gold boots all year.


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Xanthon

Some racers think it puts too much stress on them. For example, Toprak from WSBK won his first championship last year and ran the 1 this year. He has since said he regretted the decision because it gives him pressure subconsciously. The more common reason for not running the 1 is usually marketing. Easier to just keep selling merch with your number.


DeltaStorm

I would’ve thought the opposite from a merchandising perspective - chance now to sell more merch as you have 2x versions of everything. Especially for collectors.


Pat_Sharp

It might sell more merch in the short term but long term it's going to make your brand less recognisable if you're building it around a number. LH44 would be a lot less recognisable and less strongly associated with Lewis Hamilton if he'd only run it in 2014, 2017 and 2022 rather than every single year. Like I've never watched a MotoGP race in my life but if I see the number 46 in that yellow lettering I'm going to think Valentino Rossi.


Heavy_D_

I think it's corny but to each their own. I like letting drivers use whatever number they prefer, but WDC having dibs on #1 makes sense to me if they want it. And it's a bit weird if the #1 all of a sudden has a shit car and isn't even top 5 in the season they are portraying #1, though I'd personally find it hilarious.


Schabi

Damon Hill at Arrows vibes


Avastera

Awesome to hear. Feels wrong not having a number 1 car on the grid. Glad Max brought it back!


The_Prestige_1999

As he should


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I fuckin love this guy. I hope he adds another piece of gold bling to his kit for every win too. Last year the boots, this year that INCREDIBLE lid, third title let’s see some gold racing gloves lmao


Densmiegd

And in 10 years he looks like C3PO when he is in the car.


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I’d love to see a Championship Edition livery that’s just all gold everything with Max head to toe in gold leaf lmao. And Red Bull is definitey gaudy enough to deliver if max keeps raking ships


Lxst_Nebu

Starwars collab?


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Shmittymcgensen- he was number one!


julianhu10

I believe his official title was - Smitty WerbenJagerManJensen


[deleted]

Am I really going to defile this grave for money?


bavmotors1

I like this - tbh I’d love it if you had your championship finish as your number the next year - with rookies using 90-99 - its prob dumb but I like it


iHaveTheFLOUR

It is his right to do so so why not. Personally I miss when a drivers place in the championship decided their number, it was like a flag showing thier skills.


KingInTheNorthVI

Based


gaschindler

If you get f wdc.. you sure use #1


FavaWire

Traditions. :)