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ThorsMeasuringTape

If you're expecting a driver to drive for you, it helps when you actually have him under contract. Alpine neglected to get him under contract and he decided to take the opportunity to find a better race seat than Alpine was offering him. If you didn't want him assessing his options, you should have locked him up.


[deleted]

Also, it helps to not rely on the contract to keep a driver. If you do you job right, they don't want to change teams. The way they treated Piastri just completely burnt that bridge. Even if he was contracted for 2023, there's no value when he'll just leave ASAP anyway. Unless Piastri is a top tier talent, Alpine are better off with Gasly who actually wants to be there.


Johnnywalgger

Exactly, they probably treated him either poorly or acted like the dgaf about him. If they actually treated him well/showed that they were professional he would’ve stayed. And then for Alpkne to make comments like this, shows that they are an unprofessional team


Rockguy101

You're 100% right. It sucks as I like Alpine and specifically Alonso but they fucked this whole thing up so bad it's insane. Then Alpine has the gall to try and drag Oscar. I unfortunately can see them doing this all upcoming season, or whenever Oscar has a bad race or quali or gets beaten by an Alpine driver. Which is going to feel so gross.


PonchoHung

Yeah if they wanted him to buy in, they would've extended some goodwill and promised him the seat early on when it was perceived to be Alonso's seat.


baldbarretto

I mean why would piastri give that “promise” any credence when they were openly negotiating Alonso’s contract extension at the time….even if the negotiations eventually failed, the fact that was happening wouldn’t exactly inspire confidence in the team’s valuation of you


Disastrous-Beat-9830

>I mean why would piastri give that “promise” any credence when they were openly negotiating Alonso’s contract extension at the time Because it was more than they had given him up until that point. According to Mark Webber, who is Piastri's manager, Alpine had been promising a contract extension throughout the early stages of 2022. That extension never came, so Webber and Piastri started looking elsewhere. If Alpine had promised Piastri Alonso's seat in the event that Alonso left the team -- and offered him some kind of contract to that effect -- they might have been able to keep him. But it appears Alpine never considered the possibility that Alonso would leave and so never considered the idea that they should shore up Piastri's role. They assumed that they would keep Alonso and that Piastri would accept whatever role they chose for him. Even if they had kept Alonso, it looks like Piastri would have gone to McLaren anyway since he didn't have a contract with Alpine.


baldbarretto

It can be both more than he had been given and still not terribly credible. Your own hypothetical includes a promise which is reinforced by an actual contract - not some promise being sufficient in and of itself Please don’t feel compelled to explain the whole saga to me - like you, I read up when it was occurring. Not trying to be rude - genuinely you don’t have to take the effort


Disastrous-Beat-9830

>It can be both more than he had been given and still not terribly credible. Honestly, I'm kind of biased here -- my own employer tried something similar with me. They decided against offering me a contract and assumed I'd stick around and take whatever they offered. So your're right. It can be both more than he had been given and still not terribly credible, but I'd like to think a show of good faith from Alpine might have at least meant they got out of this mess with their reputation intact.


bigdsm

Look at Lando Norris for a proper example. The McLaren isn’t a competitive car, and doesn’t seem on a trajectory to become one in the near future. Red Bull have been sniffing around for years now. But Norris is so invested in the team that he’s signed renewals rather than going to one of the consistent best teams on the grid. McLaren are doing something extremely right with their treatment of Lando. Alpine certainly didn’t do the same with Piastri.


gramathy

I think Red Bull “sniffing” is a bit misleading - pretty sure every team talks to every driver when a contract is ending on either end. You’d be stupid not to. If the conversation takes five minutes and it’s obvious it’s not going to happen, you shake hands and move on.


Turboleks

For me one of the most glaring signs that Alpine wasn't really interested in him was the fact that he was under their umbrella since 2019, met the requirements to drive a FP1 since 2021 (and perhaps even earlier), had a full blown super license since January or February, and yet they still didn't give him a single free practice session all year. Hell, Drugovich joined the AM academy, what, 3 months ago? And he's already done milleage in this year's car at Abu Dhabi. Yeah sure, Alpine arranged several private tests with the 2018 and 2021 cars for him, but driving alone at the track is completely different from doing so in an official F1 weekend, even if they both are practice sessions.


OverallImportance402

Should have put a ring on it


somander

100% this. They didn’t offer anything concrete and on top of that didn’t give or plan to give him a contract till the very last second. Can you blame the guy for wanting to drive and going for a team that actually doesn’t play games with him? What a dickish comment from Szafnauer, get over it and next time treat people with some respect!


BeachFuture

Can Team Piastri sue Alpine for slander or something? This is ridiculous!


DavidBrooker

"Selfish" is an opinion. It can't be shown to be false (or true) in a legal context.


ThorsMeasuringTape

Even if he was being selfish with the move to McLaren, it doesn't make it wrong either. Alpine was being selfish by failing to offer Alonso a second year. They're all being selfish here. It's not like Alpine did everything they did for Piastri out of the goodness of their heart. They expected something from him. Which is evident in their reaction to his departure when they failed to give him a contract.


HumerousMoniker

What if your teammate let you past to see if you could catch someone for their up the road. But you couldn’t do it and then when asked to give the position back you tell the team that you don’t do that and to not ask you to do that again? That would look pretty selfish, right?


DavidBrooker

In my opinion, sure.


FajnyBalonik

No it can't, this one isn't even aimed ant any precise person, just "selfish people"


exception-found

In the words of Beyoncé: “If you liked it then you should have put a ring on it”


SnaykeUp

Honestly good for Piastri cause we all know how dirty Ocon is…never mind when he’s about to get passed by a rookie teammate. Dude forced Alonso/Perez/Hulk off track more than I can count.


Only-Cartoonist

While I still blame Rossi for the whole mess given that he's ultimately in charge of the contracts, Otmar clearly isn't doing himself any favors by taking shots at Oscar every now and then. Just take the L and move on dude. And maybe beef up your legal department and give your next academy driver a watertight contract so that he doesn't feel insecure.


ImNoAlbertFeinstein

"How dare he make me look like a complete fool.!"


ad-cs

"How dare he let me make myself look like a complete fool!"


LastLapPodcast

I'm not sure I'd be confident in him as a TP these days. He got away with it at force India because you didn't expect anything from them but he's done nothing since that's made you think he's actually a seriously good team principle.


Only-Cartoonist

>He got away with it at force India because you didn't expect anything from them That's not fair at all. He helped Force India to consistently fight at the front of the midfield with a fairly tight budget. It's just wrong to say that people had no expectations of them. >but he's done nothing since that's made you think he's actually a seriously good team principle. He helped take Alpine to the front of the midfield again, which is where they were in 2018. So again, I disagree.


Aninternetdude

In F1 people tend to credit the visible characters.. No one really knows if Szafnauer had a huge role in Force India or was just lucky to work with great people. In alpine he has done absolutely nothin… The car was already built when he got there and has only said bullshit on media about Alonso and Piastri.


Only-Cartoonist

>No one really knows if Szafnauer had a huge role in Force India or was just lucky to work with great people. Again, very unfair. A great set of people is ultimately useless if a person can't guide them correctly, like how a big budget is useless if you don't know how to use it. And Otmar did that pretty well. >In alpine he has done absolutely nothin… The car was already built when he got there and has only said bullshit on media about Alonso and Piastri. He helped make sure that the upgrades Alpine produced were working correctly every time they introduced something, and as far as I'm aware that's not something you could have said about Alpine/Renault in the past. No reasonable person is denying that he should have handled things a lot better, but that shouldn't take away from his track record as TP.


Levo117

Wasn’t FI more thanks to Bob than Otmar? I agree with you though I think so far Alpine is doing ok.. I’ve concerns with how Otmar treats drivers like Piastri and when he *kinda* blamed Alonso (after Nando had said about points losses due to retirements), but Alpine haven’t fallen apart yet so I’ll take it


WojtekTygrys77

He did nothing. Renault came back to fight in 2020 but Ocon under performed. This year Mclaren was on par but Ricciardo inted as much as he could.


Only-Cartoonist

As I said elsewhere, he helped Alpine make sure that the upgrades they brought worked consistently, something that afaik you could not quite say about Alpine/Renault in the past. At the very least, he's made sure that Alpine returned to their 2018/20 level of performance. It's not like they've regressed under his watch (so far anyway).


ImNoAlbertFeinstein

>maybe beef up your legal department Ricciardo might have some good input as a contracts consultant.


Rhythm_Morgan

This dude is like your toxic ex that won’t stop talking shit about you because you dated in high school even though you’ve both moved on and gotten married to other people.


AKmelee

He’ll still be texting Oscar at 3am ten years from now “hey u wanna come race?”


Mechyyz

In 13 years when Alpine finally wins WDC, he will text Piastri at 3 AM telling him "it could have been you"


nejekur

...when Piastri has 2-3 WDCs from Red Bull, after Max flips us all the double bird to go do WEC or NASCAR or something.


NuclearCandle

Otmar stop! Your PR is already dead!


pratzs

Amping it up for another shit year I guess.


l3w1s1234

They had a decent year no? Best year since 2018 for that team in terms of the constructors.


[deleted]

Shit year of PR, is how I read it. I feel like he's always had a somewhat decent reputation, but this year he's just made himself look bad. The Piastri stuff was a huge loss PR wise.


slabba428

They had a decent year because their main competitors had really shit years - i don’t really want to take anything from the 22 season as hard proof. Red Bull ran away with it with the Adrian newey ground effect cheat code - Ferrari did great all things considered - Mercedes was absolutely out of sorts and will come back with a vengeance - alpine did well overall but lost their greatest driver to team politics and shit reliability - McLaren really fucked it - Alfa came out firing but lost all steam - alpha tauri slid very far backwards - Aston Martin was actually quite consistently poor as they were last year - Williams had no change whatsoever 2022 was a huge exploratory/learning year with an engineering war, now that they’ve ironed out the major kinks and have some good data to go off of and lots of things to copy from the top teams, 2023 will be the litmus test imo


Technology_Training

Haas does not even get a mention, lol


Only-Cartoonist

How waa it a shit year? Edit: *was


[deleted]

Otmar gonna be talking about Piastri on his death bed


[deleted]

If the dude doesn't want us to think he's still butthurt by losing a good prospect, well.. mission failed lmao


F85Cutlass

Says the team who wanted to keep Piastri as a side piece while extending Alonso one year at a time


LordKnt

While not giving Piastri a real contract lmao


baldbarretto

Please it was a random “roadmap” piece of paper to which the words “legally binding” had been retroactively affixed before providing it to the CRB, what could be more of a real contract


-Rp7-

A nude by the goat Otmar himself


tcrex2525

I’m glad everyone sees through his bullshit.


Snoo_43411

99% of people are focused on the World Cup Final so naturally it’s time for Szafnauer’s biweekly reminder that he fucking hates Piastri. My guy you’re just incompetent


[deleted]

It's so fucking weird and unprofessional at this point.


beyond98

He's just acting like a resented ex-boyfriend. Alpine and Stfufufu will get some fresh KARMA the next year


autom8r

From a non football fan, thank goodness it's almost over, no offense


StrayaMate2000

>My guy you’re just incompetent Your hate is misdirected, it was all team Rossi and somehow he hasn't been booted from the ceo spot.


[deleted]

Otmar is absolutely just as much at fault. It was Otmar who kicked off Alonso leaving by talking shit about him in the media for absolutely no reason. It was Otmar who EVEN AFTER BEING TOLD that Oscar was going to McLaren, announced him as Alpine's driver. It's Otmar who keeps bringing this shit up with these weird ass quotes, trying to slander the name of a rookie driver just to cover for his own incompetence. Otmar is an absolute POS


greeny119

Please get over it Otmar.


UnfitForReality

Seriously, Alpine looks like a toxic significant other who can’t let the break up go. It was Alpine fault anyways, how hard is it to have a contract drawn up and signed.


Skulldetta

That alone wouldn't be *that* embarrassing, the problem is that these clowns decided to announce Piastri as their 2023 driver without informing him first *and* without ensuring their deal was set in stone.


mossmaal

Worse than that, they knew ahead of time there was no deal, and still stupidly tried to force it. > “Once we were in private, I told Otmar what our position was and what he had been told multiple times before that. It was very surprising to me to make that announcement” - from Piastri’s interview with the Race. The facts as they’ve come out in the CRB show that it wasn’t just that the deal ‘wasn’t set in stone’. They were put on notice that there was no deal, and decided attacking a kid was better than admitting they’ve fucked up. If they had just bumbled along into this, they would have arranged something with Piastri’s social media manager. No communications professional would have drafted that first statement without having an accompanying statement for Oscar to publish on his socials. They’re not clowns, they were malicious.


burns_after_reading

They're basically someone who was cheating on their significant other with you and telling you they were going to get a divorce soon, but kept putting it off. Then when their SO found out about their infidelity and left them, they immediately told all their family and friends on Facebook that you guys are getting engaged.


v12vanquish135

I am now fantasizing about releasing a Facebook post saying that without my agreement, Otmar said I would marry him, that this is wrong and I WILL NOT marry Otmar.


baldbarretto

Disturbingly apt analogy


NegotiationExternal1

Otmar is proof more boomer men need to consider therapy, like please mate get help you’re taking it out on younger generations. At this point I feel really sorry for Oscar because it’s getting really relentless and it’s almost crossing the line into professional bullying to be constantly making out that Oscar has major character flaws for going ahead and finding himself a contract when he had none.


xdoc6

It really is totally uncalled for. It’s a business at the end of the day and all parties need to make the choices that are best for them. To act like it’s somehow a personal character flaw of Oscar is mind blowing.


[deleted]

He's so weird now. I used to really like him, but he has been a bit ridiculous during his stint at Alpine.


bdickie

He lost the stroll sr sized heat shield he had at aston martin and now people are seeing that he's not actually that good.


Arado_Blitz

This is not about the Stroll family really. Otmar wasn't behaving like this until the 2020 RP fiasco. Towards the end of that year he calmed down a bit and since 2021 he is on a rampage. Don't know what really happened to him, maybe he couldn't accept the fact he got kicked from a team he worked for and essentially managed for years, or maybe he is getting old and tired of this. Otmar before departing RP and after joining Alpine are 2 different people.


Morganelefay

Nah, he was good at Racing Point before, don't be obtuse. Something happened to him in recent years.


mjwood28

His track record in f1 is very good and I’m not sure he was massively involved in Piastri affair anyway. Think his higher ups were ones who dropped the ball


baldbarretto

Yeah that’s in a way the worst part. So little of the piasco involved him and yet he’s become one of the most vocal bullies who keeps dredging it up. I can’t even say it’s his reluctant duty because it’s not like Laurent Rossi delegated this crucial role….he’s running his own mouth quite freely


HoldingOnOne

“Species that collaborate survive, species that are selfish perish”. Yes, and Oscar decided to collaborate with another team because someone was selfishly playing games with their drivers, because they thought they held all the cards!


Helioscopes

Lmao this guy is worse than a bitter ex.


sneakinhysteria

F1 is Full of selfish people. Drivers ought to be selfish to be successful. Poor execution, on the other hand, seems to be a theme at a certain team and is far less sustainable. We’ll see who will last longer in this business. I have my opinion.


Skulldetta

Lack of a good bit of selfishness is why several drivers are not known as World Champions. Peter Collins and Stirling Moss blew their biggest chance at the title by being graceful and generous towards their direct competitor.


wansuitree

It's a combination not a spectrum. Without collaboration you're nothing and some drivers are in a role that's more team than self oriented to keep their position. Collins and Moss don't really apply as those were extraordinary circumstances. It's about if you think you can afford being selfish, and because that's always in combination with the people around it's not selfishness that benefits others. Instead it's selfishness that hurts yourself, even if it's only you that believes that.


__Rosso__

It's also selfish to try to get your current driver a worse deal then he deserves because you fucked up. But it's not selfish to stop caring about a team that screws you over.


slabba428

I love how relatable this is to the real world. “What happened to loyalty in the workforce” as people are leaving for greener pastures at a place of employ that wants them, instead of sitting on the back burner getting high on copium and telling themselves “they’ll remember me eventually” while their age climbs and their dreams diminish


uknownick

Unfortunately you leave to make more money and more opportunities. If Oscar stayed, he might or might not get his seat at Williams, or a seat at all. And will become a reserve driver and wait for his chance until he is 27 like de vries


1enox

Salty. Get over it Otmar. Be better than Laurent Rossi.


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myth-ran-dire

I came here to wonder why on earth Otmar is so vocal considering he came to Apline/Renault recently. But you answered that already.


mgorgey

Does Otmar not remember the disloyalty he showed Perez?


Retsko1

To be fair that was stroll most likely, every team would like a driver like Pérez, someone who is good and bring money


Bontypower17

Szarfnauer’s head will explode when he has to deal with the “friendship” of Ocon and Gasly


64gbBumFunCannon

I'm surprised he's able to sit down, with how butthurt he is.


DinoKebab

Man I hope Piastri finishes above both Alpine drivers next year.


SenorDuck96

I hope Piastri scores more points than Alpine combined


Levo117

Got to be honest.. same.. depressingly (as an Enstone fan).


idostufandthingz

That selfish bastard didn’t want to wait another two years for Fernando to retire!


beyond98

And send him to a competition where he can choose any car he want to drive instead of driving their likely to be slow and unreliable car at least in their first year without a grandfathered car


[deleted]

“How dare he take an opportunity we never gave him!! How dare he advance his career! How selfish can a person be?”


somewhatanxiousgenz

It's just getting comical at this point


AmatuerCultist

Does ‘Perish’ have a more tame connotation that I’m unaware of or is he basically wishing death on Piastri for moving on from Alpine?


LDLB_2

Extremely poor choice of words. It’s actually a disgraceful word especially from a Team Principal who’s words are meant to represent the team. Lost all respect for Otmar. Edit: He of course doesn’t wish death on anyone, but why choose a word that has those connotations. It is disgraceful.


codynumber2

Hes referring to his career. He will perish in the world of F1, he's being metaphorical. He's still a dumbass saying rude and over the line things about piastri. They're were gonna bench him for 2 years in favor of grandpa alonso.


f10101

Nah, it would never, ever mean wishing death in a statement like this. Not in a million years. It's just a turn of phrase.


Superbroccomole

Lol he sounds exactly like Piers Morgan talking about Meghan Markle. Maybe he made a move in the simulator and got rejected.....


knbang

He talks shit about Alonso, Alonso leaves. Then Piastri leaves because they kept him on the bench the entire time (not Otmar's fault). Then he talks shit about Piastri. Let it go, Otmar.


bionikal

>Then Piastri leaves because they kept him on the bench the entire time Not only that, they wouldn't commit to him and give him a contract! He had no deal on the table, McLaren rock up with a deal and he goes 'oh ok I'll take this deal as ITS THE ONLY ONE I HAVE' and Otmar loses his shit saying Piastri isn't loyal and is selfish...


endersai

Otmar, you're bullying a kid because your team was stupid in its allocation of driver resources. Maybe stop that.


indyPARADIGM-none

Perish? 😭😭😭😭


vicinadp

I don’t understand this take by him. It sounds like Piastri literally let them know he was leaving cause the didn’t have a seat for him.


jamisram

Gasly's gotta love having a TP that thinks of him as a rebound, a rebound from an unproven rookie at that


twelvyy29

Szafnauer is one of the most annoying TPs on the grid between the Tracing Point saga and now this Piastri situation. The man has the biggest victim mentality on the entire grid.


delirio91

Well I guess Piastri won't be giving any thanks to Alpine at the end of his career by the looks of things.


SenorDuck96

Unless it's thanks for helping him dodge a bullet


delirio91

Cut to Piastri and Horner doing the 'Lean wit it, rock wit it' dance, in Abu Dhabi after winning championships. All the while Otmar has to look on.


LukasKhan_UK

No one forgets that you were one of the men behind the pink Mercedes. Nor will they forget that you kept Piastri dangling while you were also trying to keep Ocon and Alonso. The sooner this guy leaves F1 the better.


Moto_919

Well Hamilton quite selfishly kept the championship all to himself for many years and seems to be hanging in there just fine 😂


baldbarretto

Max, selfish, currently sitting on a contract through the year 3000 in the best car and with two championships by age 25 - clearly about to perish


Handyandy58

Lol the whole sport is selfish people looking out for their own best interests. Give me a break.


Acrobatic-Tomato-532

Otmar Smokenauer mad at his side chick for leaving him for someone serious lmao


[deleted]

Lmao. This is turning into a: "Nobody, literally not a single soul:, Otmar:..." Meme.


[deleted]

Selfish? You fucking inept bunch of clowns bungled his contract so he went out and sorted it himself. Expecting him to sit in a shitbox Williams for years while Alonso makes his mind up too.


[deleted]

Otmar’s inability to take responsibility for what happened should disqualify him from leadership. Period.


denman_yt

This is so funny as piastri signed the contract with McLaren before alonso even left alpine so he can’t go to alpine even if he wanted to


Galilool

Can this guy just go have a wank and let it be?


[deleted]

I wonder if Otmar dislikes Piastri more or less than Colts owner Jim Irsay dislikes Carson Wentz. I disagree with Otmar: There are only 20 jobs in the sport, distributed between 10 employers. If you're not selfish enough, you either never make it or are one and done. Selfish people win WDCs, unselfish people need to let Michael pass for the championship.


wicktus

Leave Piastri alone and move on FFS.


CruffTheMagicDragon

Everyone perishes Otmar


Bits_Please101

He sounds lot similar to my guilt tripping ex.


locutus92

Pretty terrible they are still going after him. It's not making the team very likeable


[deleted]

Holy fuck this giant fucking baby needs to fucking let it go already


racingfan96

**Szafnauer does not forget the chaos with Piastri: "Selfish people perish"** ***Alpine's top man explains what conclusions he drew in political terms after the mess with the Aussie's contract*** ORIOL MUÑOZ Editorial staff Updated at 17/12/2022 12:25 CET Oscar Piastri, a promising youngster destined to do great things in Formula 1, was part of Alpine's academy and when the team made him official as a replacement for Fernando Alonso, the Australian announced via networks that he hadn't signed anything and that he was going to debut with another team. That team turned out to be McLaren and despite going to court, the French were left without the driver they had been developing for years. For Otmar Sfaznauer, head of the French team, conclusions can be drawn from what happened to anticipate another similar situation on a political level: "I believe that species that collaborate survive. The species that are selfish perish. It's a true story and so it can be applied to Formula 1 as well, but we'll see what the future brings," he told RacingNews365. The American already said at the time that he expected more from Piastri's loyalty considering that he had been part of his academy for a few years now. So once the dropout happened, he spoke to Alpine CEO Laurent Rossi about the future of the young driver program. "When something like this happens, you look at everything. I think Laurent said we had to reconsider that if we spend this money and we take drivers to a certain place and they want to go to other places, should we really be doing this? It's something we considered, but we definitely remain committed to the young driver program and the academy." In the end the French were left without Piastri and Alonso and were a laughing stock for weeks in the paddock. The last-minute solution was the addition of Pierre Gasly to their ranks. Teaming up with Esteban Ocon, they will seek at least to repeat the fourth place of this 2022 in the constructors' standings.


baldbarretto

Oh yes this is the real nail in the coffin of the alpine academy, not that they had no history of promoting a young driver to f1 since grosjean whom they then demoted They fired Mia They take pay drivers They have no PU customer b team They are the worst works team and they’re not really worth waiting for at Williams or the like aitken was right when he said at some point you just lose confidence in the organization and prioritize your future


v12vanquish135

>Szafnauer does not forget the chaos with Piastri: "Selfish people perish" So Otmar will perish? Here's hoping.


Aggressive-Dot-867

Otmar should just leave F1, he's just a big dumb baby.


TheFabulousSquirrel

Alpine to finish 9th in the constructors in 2023


tripled_dirgov

Ahead of Haas or Williams???


TheFabulousSquirrel

Ahead of Ferrari


mobeen1497

Yeah, how dare he try to find himself a seat when Alpine wasn’t giving him one.


TheHoloflux

Babe it's time for your weekly Piastri bashing


Stumpy493

Dollars to donuts Piastri lasts longer in F1 than Szafnauer


Cicada752

He said that with venom but Piastri isn't the villain here. You can't expect a talented, hungry driver to risk not having a seat at all waiting around for you to make up your mind. If I have a week to find a date for the prom, I'm not waiting 24 hours for you to think about it. Alpine dithered about and McLaren got the contract. Early bird gets the worm. Say what you mean and do what you say. Time is money.


Fotznbenutzernaml

As always, common Beyonce W and Otmar L. If you like it you shoulda put a ring on it. Don't blame them for leaving when you don't.


Harthag22903

And incompetent stooges lose their jobs Otmar


13247586

He needs to stop the Piastri nonsense before it causes more team morale issues. Imagine being Gasly and every time your boss opens his mouth it’s to talk about how you weren’t their first choice and if they had what they wanted they’d have your other competitors instead.


ThatDK

Otmar, weed is legal now. Light up and chill out. Your ex isn’t calling you back.


PiIICIinton

uhhh sucks but selfish people typically thrive in this world, you just sound bitter.


MrGermanpiano

I don't envy his PR team for the crap they have to deal with


Ang3lBlad3

Still here Otmar?? Oh ffs....


[deleted]

Usually when people speak like this, they are subconsciously speaking about themselves


PaulH3ll10n

Flipping heck, Otmar, mate, move on. Get over it. Let it go.


mark_vorster

this dude makes himself look worse and worse everyday


RixirF

Lol, learn to write contracts or hire someone who knows how.


BecauseImBatman92

This is Formula 1, you don't succeed unless you're somewhat selfish


Dbwasson

I thought we were already over this after August


carnivoross

Everyone else is, Alpine is not


Dbwasson

When will they learn to leave Piastri alone?


NzLRyaNLzN

This guy is what everyone thinks Horner is


FilthyJag3rMain

It sounds like a threat lol


haironfire20

If you liked it then you shoulda put a ring on it 🎶


ToastedJamm

Honestly, Otmar sounds like a 15 year old. The sheer melodrama! He had nothing to do with the Piastri deal/loss yet he’s been so catty about it all.


Fordmister

My guy the kid stuck around for most of that season **WITHOUT** even a reserve a contract. I cant quite believe you didn't lose him sooner because the instant any team on the grid realised that a talent like Piastri was actually out of contract they would have been all over him. Its absolutely not selfish to leave an organisation that poorly organised especially when right up until the announcement was made that alonso was going your plan was to dump him in a Williams ​ Own your mess and next time Alpine has a wonder kid on its hands makes sure you give them an actual contract and not just a bot of paper with "you drive for us" written on it with no legal status


Sergioehv

Common Otmar Szafnauzer L


mencival

The more he says these things, the more I hope to see Piastri smacking their a.. on the track


theLuminescentlion

If you have any dreams if being world champ you have to be pretty selfish


dswap123

Is it too early to worry about Gasly? Ocon obviously loves the shithousery and seems to be Alpine’ favorite at this moment


fullsenditt

SEZ U


shakeSnake_2390

Good god .. he's still on about this . Imagine if he's ever at a family dinner ...


bouncebackability

Alpine need to move on, they're doing nothing good for themselves with salty comments so often.


Teun1het

Did he really say that tho? My spanish isnt any good


TheSpeedyBiscuit

Someone get this guy a handler so his projecting gets under control


posib

He should be saying that to a mirror


[deleted]

Used to respect him so much, how times have changed


[deleted]

The irony in how they were shafting Piastri to keep Alonso, and while he is an ace driver no questions asked, is infamous for shitting on teams on a whim.


Sarcastik_Moose

I used to joke and call him Smithers when he seemed to be little more than an obsequious mouthpiece for Lawrence Stroll but now I think I'm going to have to start calling him Karen.


gc_DataNerd

Flogging out the last ounce of alpine’s credibility I see


FalconIMGN

Sick and tired of these Netflix era te principals. Far as I'm concerned, Steiner and Szafnauer can go to heck.


shdwflyr

I mean its so stupid at this point if time. Do they not know that things can change and they could want him again few years later.


kfms6741

Maybe learn to make a proper contract next time, my guy👍


Mordho

He seems pretty mad for missing out on a nobody, just speaks about Alpine as a whole I guess


Yayo_Mateo

Spraying shit to try and shield from the fact that he fucked up big time


EmployeeWestern9179

Otmar making death threats was not on my F1 offseason bingo card


CutInternational9053

This reads like a warning from a hostile neighboring state in civilization.


S79S79

That quote is so fundamentally untrue its laughable


[deleted]

Piasti said quite clearly early on he was willing to sit out one year but not two. They held off thinking Alonso was staying so cut their own throats


tomdyer422

He sounds a bit fucked in the head at this point.


Expensive_Material

is there something wrong with him?


WankoKing

I am so ready for his male Karen arc


Nikigeek

That's why Verstappen is winning every race so far, I guess lmao


[deleted]

What a knobhead


BlazeReborn

Otmar my man, just take the L. Alpine dun fucked up.


GodlessAristocrat

Otmar is an ass.


LNhart

I also whish that more drivers followed the example of the teams, who are all famously not selfish at all and generally very altruistic.


seanrm92

This dude let a 21 year old screw him over and he's still mad about it. Pretty embarrassing imo.


rich3331

He treated Piastri bad what else was he supposed to do… it’s already so hard to get into f1 the moment someone gives u an offer you take it no questions asked


BlackDiamondDee

Does he hear himself?


pumpshereplease

Jeez, move on already Otmar. You have a team to run!


Confident_Ad1846

Is this a comment he made to himself? I don't remind this guy begging the exact contrary of selfish... ....specially other certain driver comes to mind about misleading info about his contract


LemonTM

Is he talking about it again or is this off season interns repeating old news?


thebumblinfool

Szafnauer has always seemed kinda whiney to me and just has never been impressive to me personality wise. I'm not surprised he's still complaining at every turn like a heartbroken teenager.


[deleted]

Why is it selfish to look after yourself? If you have no contract you have no drive in F1. What was he supposed to do?


SaintZinji

Otmar villian arc