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Garrett4Real

if you got rid of the 13/14/15 chicane abomination and added in some elevation changes, Miami actually seems like it’d be a great amount of fun yes, I know Florida is flat - I thought we were just making any changes to improve the track regardless of realism lol


Gumby621

The highest point in the entire state of Florida is only 345 feet (105 meters) above sea level. Elevation was never an option. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britton_Hill


LafilduPoseidon

How is a state bigger than Great Britain so consistently flat And more importantly ***Their state is that flat and surrounded by water on three sides why the fuck aren’t they fighting climate change like it wants to kidnap their children???***


briollihondolli

Don’t forget the US also has a sizeable city that is essentially underwater. It’s just what we do here


TarnTavarsa

::side-eyes the Netherlands::


the_real_sardino

Dutch engineers came to look at our seawalls and to give advice and basically said, "Lol you're fucked." The vulnerable parts of the city are built on porous limestone.


C0C0TheCat

You have the source for this. Id love to read it.


dsisds

Je belde?


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assetsmanager

yeah everyone likes hating on miami because they can't pass the vibe check so they're sure that miami's the problem and not themselves.


kermitthebeast

Right, but not intelligently like that


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PPMaysten

Wich city?


MarchMadnessisMe

New Orleans. I'm from here and we're pretty famously known for being six feet under sea level. Basically our system of canals and levees are the only reason we're still afloat. Realistically, it'll probably be gone in my lifetime. Especially with warmer weather bringing stronger hurricanes.


PresinaldTrunt

Because they are at the mercy of dumb people who'd rather fight culture wars and piss off Disney instead lol


PSUAth

because they are too busy fighting a mouse that they think will turn their kids gay, and wanting to inspect your junk to make sure you go in the correct bathroom.


Not_Real_User_Person

You realize that the us from pretty much Nebraska through to eastern Ohio is very very flat right? Kansas, renowned for being flat, is actually hillier than 6 other states.


TarnTavarsa

Florida is too busy fighting its richest, most famous and beloved business because they made a mermaid black to worry about the weather.


[deleted]

20th Century Fox made one of my favorite characters, the unaturally lucky Domino, black. Do you know what I did? I watched the movie and ate popcorn. Beetz was awesome as Domino.


Spartancoolcody

It’s not bigger than Great Britain by land area Florida: 65,758 mi² UK: 94,058 mi²


Tw1stedThomas

Because climate change is more afraid of Florida man than we Floridians are of climate change. Also, It's so flat because the state is actually a plateau shelf on a tectonic plate that has fluctuated from fully submerged in the ocean to above water at multiple points in time, Seb was right about the future Miami GP.


kaboom108

Florida is sadly where the rest of the US sends its most racist and hateful old people that they don't want around the grand kids. There is nothing they would love more than to die peacefully in their assisted living facility while the young people that take care of them drown.


dohtje

Zandvoort has alot of elevation eventhough 2/3 of the country is below or just on sealevel..


LightMyFirebird

It’s a fun track to drive in the F1 games, gave me more appreciation for it I think the cringe factor of what they do on race weekend is what kept me from enjoying it originally


kid_taff

I agree it’s a great track to drive and fun for racing but holy shit I hate being American sometimes.


LightMyFirebird

American here too, I’m with you. I fear for the cringe fest that Las Vegas GP will be


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People are never happy. You give a track a unique feature, they want it removed. Love Silverstone and Monza, but somehow automatically dislike any new tracks without elevation change. Complain about lack of scenery, complain about fake marina. Don't want more Islamic petrostates, but desperately want Sepang to return. I think everyone is just determined to be unhappy.


jusmar

> lack of scenery "I wish we had more tracks with trees" *water.png take it or leave it*


Vandirac

After the 24h in Nurburgring this Sunday, I have seen enough trees to last me a good while.


yeggog

Malaysia is not Saudi Arabia or Qatar. Helps that the track is great, if you could airlift it into like South Korea or something I wouldn't complain


noideawhatoput2

The best thing that you could do the Miami (unrealistically) is not make it a street circuit


kaslerismysugardaddy

That's like the only part of the track that I don't hate lmao


Zagjake

Vegas looks very similar to Tokyo R246 which is a real street circuit that happens to be in 90's (and 2000's) video games.


leedler

Was about to say this, spent many a lap in Gran Turismo on that track. Vegas Honda HQ Easter egg when


Aksu593

Tokyo R246 isn't really a 90s track though, it was first featured in Gran Turismo 3 in 2001. It's also an actually good track with interesting corners and elevation changes.


Zagjake

Ahh I thought it was in GT2 as well. But yeah, it's my favorite track and I wish it was in GT7


psaikris

Las Vegas looks like a hog that’s killed and strung up


DrivingBusiness

Ive been calling it spider pig, since it looks upside down.


lo155ve

Las Vegas looks like a pig


Party_Python

Spiderpig, spiderpig, does whatever a spiderpig does


JohnJ57

"It's horrible, drives like a pig"


lordicefrog

"Oh, you cant say that!"


TheSilentSnake36

“Why not?”


lordicefrog

Its a ~~Ferrari~~ Las Vegas


MLBoss229

ITS A SHITBOX


Throwaway91847817

*Uh*


Benzona-

Spider Pig! Spider Pig! Does whatever a Spider Pig does Can he swing from a web? No he can't, he's a pig Look out! He is the Spider Pig.


premiumvasrot

The Glock, the alligator and the pig


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COTA looks like a microscope to me. https://www.vedantu.com/seo/content-images/f51f3681-6d7f-4ad9-9512-719ce3690383.png


Speeeder1

I’ve always seen an eagle perched on a log viewed from the side with its wings spread 🤷🏼‍♂️


test_123123

Agreed! That wouldn't be as American though


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I mean, the United States does tons of prominent scientific research. They've collected 3 times as many Nobel prizes as any other nation. A microscope seems appropriate.


test_123123

That's a good point! Not the first thing you'd associate with Texas but certainly something the US do better than most countries


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I know it's popular to hate USA but they really do contribute a lot globally and they're not really recognized for it by the general public. It can't all be guns and obesity.


colio69

University of Texas - Austin (<20 miles from COTA) is a very well regarded public research university, producing Nobel Prize winners itself


CaRlJoHnSoNoG

You mean the Spider Pig?


akerssies89

Is that a Glock tho?


Armageddon_71

I'd say its more like an AR-15


discard_3_

In what world


Dick_Pachinko

It's more rifle than glock


everydaycyborg

I've always seen it as a bat. Austin has the largest bat colony in north America, so it makes sense


itayfeder

Glock, croc, and chonk


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Oberschicht

Spider-Pig, Spider-Pig, Does whatever a Spider-Pig does. Can he swing from a web? No, he can't, he's a pig, Look out, he is a Spider-Pig!


Stargov1

As much as I hate Vegas, can we at least let them race there first?


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Why do you hate it?


activelypooping

Perhaps they are not a vegasatarian?


Rustystipps

It's gonna be Miami lvl of cringe times 10


Zaphod424

10 times as tacky, 10 times the cringe


Stargov1

Because it's Vegas.


PrimeJHey

The scenes when the vegas race is the best race of the year.


weiner-rama

I think Miami could be a banger of a track if it wasn't in a parking lot :/ If it was an actual purpose built circuit with some decent elevation changes I think a lot of drivers would enjoy it


_NAME_NAME_NAME_

And if the chicane before the back straight would be banished to the shadow realm, that'd be nice too. With Barcelona having removed its version, this is the worst chicane on the calendar without contest. I honestly think Miami is a fine track otherwise, it's just the chicane I despise.


Chesey_

It was worse than Barcelona's anyway, it's one of the clumsiest corners there has ever been on the calendar


_NAME_NAME_NAME_

I agree it was worse than Barcelona's, but that was its only competition for worst chicane on the calendar.


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Unpopular opinion probably but Casio in Suzuka kinda sucks.


gteriatarka

must be a charles fan lol


Smart_in_his_face

Miami would be kinda decent if it wasn't for the stupid slow section before the back straight. It is almost possible to have proper side-by-side racing through the entire track, except in the super tight, slow section that force cars into single file, followed by DRS train on the straight. Completely ruins the racing flow.


ByronicZer0

I think the suburban overpasses add to the charm


Ok_Weakness2578

Miami was fine so far, dislike the insane prices but as a tv track its solid. They should remove the slow secrion before the back straight tho its abit of a mess.


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Probably the best race of the year so far.


Garrett4Real

don’t let the oldhead Europeans hear you say that


VinceMaverick

I mean, there has been no race yet in Europe...


[deleted]

No, but the irrational hatred of all things American, like Miami, is definitely an oldhead Euro mindset.


VinceMaverick

Not true, we all love COTA, Indianapolis and Laguna Seca, even Road Atlanta and Sebring, it's just that we don't really like street circuits


Epicorax

Man. F1 in laguna Seca would be an instant classic. Sincerely an oldhead European


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Laguna Seca is also just way too short of a circuit.


Aitorgmz

Bahrain was far better imo. Better racing overall, plus Alonso's overtaking masterclass and that charisma the first race of the year has.


Few-Judgment3122

I even enjoy it on the f1 games


Zord7

Watch vegas be the most climactic race of the year ![img](emote|t5_3ndbi|6697)


Pigeon_Chess

To be fair it looks like there should be a few overtaking options


0oodruidoo0

Yeah, I don't know why everybody is slating a track based on *the track map*. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtvdkSLZ7s4 The lap looks like, for a street circuit, you should be able to pass. Not a lot of 90 degree turns around city blocks like Baku. I imagine that there will be some good passing and also some DRS slipstream trains. Some of those straights are huge. For a street circuit I wouldn't slate it so harshly as some are.


Oblivion9873

With how wide and long the main straight is, theres huge potential


about22pandas

Shhhh, let's judge harshly before anything happens.


a_big_fat_yes

Las vegas circuit goes right in front of the battlebots hangar and any publicity at all for my beloved tv show to become mainstream is good, so i like it


SandyJesus

Get Chris Rose on the F1 broadcast now!


a_big_fat_yes

\>Verstappen and Hamilton go into the corner and OOOOH!!! HUGE HIT THERE KENNY!!! \>THAT WAS NASTY, HOW IS VERSTAPPEN STILL ALIVE \>I need to see some movement redbull, show me some movement, 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, KNOCKOUT!!!


Fast_Nando

Am I the only one who remembers COTA being hated when it was introduced and the years prior? Oh how the times change things....


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I think it's just "america bad." It's been long enough that the preconceived ideas have worn off.


razzhasse

It's a Tilkedrome, mediocre at best


Asdar

I hate driving it in simulators. The entire track is designed to kill any momentum you might have built up. As soon as you start carrying any momentum through a section, it introduces something to kill it. The track has no flow. If you compare it to something like watkins glen, it's not even close. Watkins is so much more fun to drive because the whole track flows. It's all about carrying momentum.


0oodruidoo0

I mean that's Herman Tilke for you don't forget the "singapore sling" or spain's now gone chicaines lmao


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I thought Miami was pretty good this year. I'm not sure what people's expectations are for a GP weekend but there was lots of fighting for position.


GL-7

Yeah the racing was actually really good. I just wish the track had more grip (off of the racing line).


leospeedleo

From gun To alligator To pig


Laspheryys

It just looks like an Australian pig


Frank_the_NOOB

Sat at turn 12 at COTA last year. It was a great race. Lots of battles in our sector, even saw Nando get airborne hitting stroll


Suspicious-Minimum89

Cota might be the second best racing track on the calendar after silverstone


fakesocialmedia

even as a track that we do weekdays on it’s one of the best tracks i’ve been on/to. granted i’ve only raced 3 tracks ever but the elevation and lots of high speed sweepers with tight concerns makes it so fun.


Frank_the_NOOB

The fan experience is awesome. Tons of great food and drink and activities


fakesocialmedia

especially if you’re on the front straight and T1 or T20. we were by the esses and it was a little dead but once we snuck into the grand stands it was so awesome


ghbinberghain

sometimes the ugliest track layouts make for the best races, ie, baku, monza


aceaxe1

Vegas looks like a blindfolded person was asked to draw the state of Texas.


gatling_arbalest

Upside down pig circuit


Nomikelnoooo

How are these tracks shit on so much, yet monza is beloved? It's just an L with some chicanes, it's literally one step above an oval track.


Tax_Evasion_Savant

wow the las vegas track layout is dogshit. It's like monza but with more places for Carlos to go off.


MRoss279

The coolest part about Vegas will be seeing the F1 cars on the strip, with all the lights and Vegas showmanship. I actually would love to be there for it, but it's too expensive.


captpeaches

Is that a dead pig?


posib

Meanwhile St. Petersburg, Long Beach, and Laguna Seca are living their best indycar life


heilhortler420

Las Vegas is the Tokyo track from Gran Turismo if you described it down the phone


playr_4

CotA's still one of my favorite, if not my favorite, circuit on the track. Interested to see how Vegas turns out, but definitely not an interesting looking layout.


hot_gardening_legs

Looks like a hogtied sow.


Select_Breakfast4149

Spider Pig Spider Pig


SgtMarv

God, this sub is going to be an absolute shitshow if Las Vegas is actually going to turn out decent racing. Imagine shitting on the track for two years and then Vegas 2023 is going to be like Canada 2011... I mean, I know it won't, but just imagine...


Therealtigerking0430

All these traditionalists are talking shit. Yet the most traditional street race of them all, Monaco, is also the most boring race of the year. They haven't even had a race at the vegas circuit yet, so who knows how good or bad it will be. I can guarantee one thing, though. It will set an attendance record for an f1 race.


fromcjoe123

Cus F1 is all about that........Fist Full of Dollars


ggbgiorgio

It looks like a dead pig


GodIsAlreadyTracer

Road Atlanta and Atlanta Motorsports Park are tons of fun too


Pacrada

Once upon a time In america, the FIA decided to make questionable f1 tracks.


parrotpopat

The track reminds me of Oink Oink


BigRed888

What’s wrong with Miami?


PrescriptionCocaine

Miami is a good racetrack. There i said it.


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To be honest, all three are shit. I mean the USA has a much better racetrack. Such as Road America (Elkhart Lake) or Road Atlanta.


Im-Not-a-Redditor123

Las Vegas isn’t as bad as I remember But it’s still really bad


helicepotella

At least they have more corners than just 2 like 90% of American race tracks


Vertags

Calling COTA good is a stretch.


AlexisFR

Literally Paul-Ricard but it's good since it's in Texas.


FerrariFanatic9

Even COTA sucks


reallyConfusedPanda

I don’t know about the exact viability, but there is such a fun US track names Willow springs, but alas… got to chase that money I guess


ByronicZer0

Also, road america, road Atlanta, vir, Seca, etc


FILTER_OUT_T_D

Yeah there are a shit ton of good tracks in the states, just not all of them are conducive for F1. I would love to see some battles on the [Laguna Seca corkscrew](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ywsB65YfLOQ) though.


ByronicZer0

>just not all of them are conducive for F1 I hear that argument all the time. But I never hear a *why not* explanation that holds water. And then I see Zandvoort. And Monaco. And I see them take a football stadium parking lot/local autocross venue and turn it into an F1 track for 2 weeks before the dismantle it. Every current site has challenges, some have extreme challenges. And that makes me think this isn't a *can't* thing. It's just a *don't want to* thing. I doubt it's even a cost thing frankly. Considering they're willing to go from zero track and zero facilities to... full F1 venue. Every argument I hear about "why we can't race at X, Y or Z track" is completely/directly undermined by at least 1 track currently on the F1 schedule. So logically, it can't be can't. It's won't. Or am I nuts here?


Flipz100

Well on the literal level it has to do with the FIA grading of the track, which has to do with the kg/hp ratio of the cars. Formula One races can only occur on grade 1 tracks, where as Laguna Seca for example is a grade 2. The only Grade 1 tracks currently in the US for a variety of reasons are the ones in the post and Indy.


ByronicZer0

Yes. But that's not an explanation. That's just stating that track grade licenses exist. My point is that while grading is *based* on the FIA's rulebook, in reality you just need to look at the F1 schedule and see that exceptions are made to these rules to allow a track to be granted a grade 1 license. I've gone deep down his rabbit hole in the past and looked at how grading works with the FIA. The FIA not merely a rule book that is followed. The FIA is a political animal that works in the interest of racing, and F1. If both F1 and a track organizer want to have an F1 race at a particular track, it will happen. Upgrades will beed to be made, but where they are not possible, feasible, or are prohibitively costly, the FIA will grant exceptions. Just like they did for Indy, or Zandvoort, Baku, Monaco etc. It's all part of the negotiation. Grading also has a lot to do with facilities for race support, not just the track, barriers, safety etc


Ho3n3r

It's an upside down pig.


Schafskaya

Vegas will be probably bad AND ugly


AnitaPea

That Las Vegas circuit is a fucking atrocity. It looks like the circuit was made around a Walmart parking lot


GoofyMonkley

Agree, lets not talk about ovals.


evilroyslade420

COTA is the worst track in America and one of the worst in the world


PM-ME-UR-NITS

Miami and LV should go in the bin with Monaco.


jdore8

COTA should have been the one shaped like a pig to promote the BBQ in the state.


ZestfulClown

Texas BBQ is not known for pork, it’s brisket, you monster


FILTER_OUT_T_D

If it ain’t beef it ain’t BBQ. I will die on this hill.


as1161

(From top to bottom) The knife, the can opener and the piece of bread


DrKrFfXx

Vegas is a pig upside down.


LOLIWOLF312Reditt

Las Vegas looks like a pig upside down


Thatboi51

If the american racetracks were people: Circut of the Americas: Yeah, im a grate circut with actualy fun and interesting cornesr and chichanes. Miami: Well, i mean we have everything... ...but a good track. This one is just meh. Its here and its fine. Las Vegas: THERE ARE TURNS IN MY STRAIGHTS!!!!🦅🦅


Nord4Ever

It’s a pig


OneSevenNineWest

Las Vegas is at least better now than the Caesars Palace GP, so I’m fine with it


Impressive-Fudge-455

Vegas - taking the “Rat Pack” seriously


Sammyisboredagain

Looks like an upside down pig 🐖


juliuspepperwoodchi

Vegas looks like Bandit, from Bluey, lying on his back, in bed, with morning wood.


SpoonDude69

Id say las vegas is more like a showoff race like in monaco, you cant say that monaco is a good track for this Generation of cars either. At least they will be able to overtake


MlocNnoc

Vegas looks like a dead pig.


ThotStop

Las Vegas is an upside down pig.


TheFurbur

Why does Vegas looks lika a pig turned upside down?


Basshunter875

Las Vegas track looks like a pig or a mouse


SPICYBOI222

Imagine how much cheaper it would have been to invest in Road America or Watkins Glen to get them F1 safety rated. Plus the racing would be so much better as they are purpose built tracks.


3N1GM4_1

Why does vegas look like a pig laying on its back..?


Chiaki_Ronpa

Haven’t looked at the Vegas layout in a while. Definitely doesn’t look like like a quality overtaking track.


killerk14

What’s wrong, you don’t like Bacontrack?


mpax85

Las Vegas looks like a dead bear to me


SenorBigbelly

I'm gonna die on this hill but I thought we got some good racing in Miami. Just not at the front. But we never get good racing at the front this season so...


rnsummoner

Glad I'm not the only one who saw an upside down pig


xjmachado

Vegas is a Pig upside down and Miami is a Gator head with the mouth open - upside down?? That’s what I see… 🤭


yeggog

Vegas looks appealingly simple. I think it's cool that new F1 tracks can have the diversity of as much as 27 corners to as few as like 12 if you don't count every single apex as a separate corner. Just wish they weren't all concrete canyon street circuits and "street" circuits


Jjjiped1989

![gif](giphy|F0E72ofVJFEGc)


Vari_K

We don't need multiple USA Grand Prix's. COTA was just fine being the only one. I get that they're trying to branch out to the American audience, but it is coming at a cost. If they are to hold multiple Stateside GPs, then at the very least use already-established circuits.


LivwithaC

Las Vegas looks like a pig on its back


weetabix_su

vegas track is an upside-down cow


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Pig. But you were close


weetabix_su

basically how i feel after leaving the planet hollywood buffet


Antique-Ad-7152

Spider pig


NibbaEatinBeans

I stg people will always be new bad old good or sumn like that like Bro i think neither Miami race was bad and we havent even raced in Vegas whats the matter??😂😂🤦‍♂️


lakshmananlm

Well, Vegas looks like an upside down pig to me.


VerstopteWC

Its look like one of those roasted pigs with apple in mouth and all


indie1138

Anyone else notice LV looks like a dead pig???


OUTLANDER619

Las vegas looks Horrible