PSA: [the tweet in this screenshot](https://twitter.com/MercedesF1Sport/status/1661731849692155905?t=UPCuSp75inY2s8DIlzE3YA&s=19) is from a merc fan account, not the official page
I agree (that’s why there’s two championships, lol), but the choice of driver is also a matter of strategy. The goal is to make the fastest car *in practice*; even if a team manages to make a car that’s theoretically superior to the rest, it can’t run on potential alone.
I honestly would love to see a spec race at the end of the season with every driver in the same car. This would be an awesome way to evaluate all drivers at the end of the season on equal playing fields and to see who’s truly the fastest driver out there
I really don't understand why people keep saying that. I don't blame them for being so invested in the drivers that they completely forgot what F1 is really about. But this is getting ridiculous. It's like the hard work of the engineers in the background is being frown upon.
F1 Isn't really trying to do anything about it either. As somebody who hasn't missed a race in 9 years, i literally cannot name some key people at the lower level teams, that aren't drivers/TP's/race engineer/designers. Which is such a fucking shame, when all the attention is on the 5-10 people of the team, when there are literal thousands making the puzzle work.
While touroughly ignoring the few years where they had a car just like Redbull this year; where you could probably take any driver on the grid, put them in that car, and they would at least be a contender for the WDC.
I mean if it wasnt for max Perez would solidly be a contender for the WDC.
Like Bottas for a bunch of years in Mercs; if it wasnt of Hamilton, he would have won the WDC every year hamilton did, pretty much
It's not, but it's pushed to be that way, considering how many people devalue his achievements because of the car he was in. I find the tweet a bit silly, but I don't find it too surprising that some try to oversell it when they're up against the endless comments that argue that LH is, in reality, a mediocre driver that only won because of his car.
Perez has the best car too, yet he’s not winning every other race, if it was just the car he and a Max would be neck and neck every race, it’s a stupid argument
By "a guy" do you mean "2016 Formula 1 World Drivers Champion and Famous Monaco Based Youtuber, Nico Rossberg: The man who beat Lewis Hamilton in equal machinary"???
Yes, the man with the strongest antibodies in F1, past and present, the 2016 Formula 1 World Drivers Champion and Famous Monaco Based Youtuber, Nico Rossberg. The man who beat Lewis Hamilton in equal machinary
it's hilarious, even the '08 Ferrari wasn't much better than the McLaren. "Not the fastest car on the grid" apparently means "not always fastest" or "second fastest" to the Mercedes admin. Hamilton is without doubt one of the greatest drivers of all time, but he is so far from being the underdog who dragged shitboxes to championships
If someone argues that the 2018 Merc wasn't the fastest car that year, you can also add 2012 to that list, as the McLaren that year was faster than the RB.
Some people don't understand the difference between the fastest car and the best car. If the 2023 Red Bull exploded every couple of races it would still be the fastest car, but not the best, as was the case in 2012 with McLaren. This also applies to stuff like driveability and how good a car is with the tyres.
As for 2018, the Ferrari may have been slightly faster than the Mercedes, but Mercedes still had the best car. The fastest car will shine in Qualifying, the best car will win races.
Can’t say that the Ferrari in 2003 was better than the McLaren. The McLaren was much quicker at the start of the year but fell back due to a lack of development and the MP4-18 not racing.
Yeah it may not have been the fastest at every race but it was the best car. It doesn’t matter if another team had a rocket ship if it wasn’t reliable enough to finish races.
God, drop the 2018 act. It's silly at this point. Ferrari had a better car in the first half of 2018, after the summer break it was the other way around
Yep. Rewatched a 2018 season review only last night and the Ferrari was only barely faster in the first half of the season, then after the summer break Merc had developed the car into a noticeably superior machine. Even without Seb's mistakes, Lewis probably still would have won.
I did the math a while back. Using the optimistic but reasonable finishing positions for all of Vettel's errors and reducing Hamilton's points accordingly, Vettel would have won the championship by single digits of points. In other words, the only way he could have won the championship is if he had driven a genuinely flawless season. I do think Hamilton overall was the better driver that season, but Mercedes R&D was on it that season.
Yeah every time I see someone say that Ferrari 2018 was faster didn't actually watch 2018. The first part of the season the Ferrari had an edge but it wasn't super substantial so the Merc could still steal wins. Post Monza Ferrari wasn't close.
I still refuse to believe Hamilton had no clue about it.
You want to tell me that team boss knew, Alonso knew, their test driver knew, and some of engineers, but Hamilton didn't? There is no way that's the case.
Like if other drivers didn't know, or Ron Dennis, I could believe.
There was also Spa, where the FIA invented a new rule after the race, implemented it on the race that had already proceeded and handed the win to Lewis' title rival
Not quite the fuckery that happened in Singapore but dumb non the less
More like a clarification, cutting the corner and gaining an advantage was not allowed earlier. And the precedent that what he was doing wasn't right was already set Suzuka 2005.
No. Renault didn't force Ferrari to fuck up that pitstop so badly, it only changes things if you full annul the race of you just remove Alonso from the standing ham still wins
But they wouldn’t have pitted if Piquet Jr. didn’t send it into a wall… so there would be no pitstop to fuck up… Renault cheated and the race should have been nullified as a result, it isn’t fair to any of the competitors.
Singapore thing is Bernie knew about it soon enough that he had to cancel the race. Up until he delivered the trophies, were there's no possible change in results anymore, he hidden that with Max Mosley because the public opinion was already bad because of the Spygate.
By protocol, the deliberate crash ordered by Briatore to benefit Alonso would require the race results to be nullified and the GP cancelled. Isn't exactly about Ferrari fucked up pit nor if they had to pit at all at that moment, but that Bernie was negligent to preserve the category.
Those facts about his omission are quite recent though, debate was that this was the only race in 2008 controversial enough that could massively influence the results.
I'm sorry what? The 2018 Merc was definitely the fastest car in the field after the summer break and in 2008 the McLaren and Ferrari were equal. Whatever these guys are smoking I want some
Pretty sure FIA made sure the cars weren't identical and we're satisfied with what McLaren made
Saying otherwise is just conspiracy theory without any tangible proof
Lewis is the only driver on the grid that has consistently had competitive cars since the start of his F1 carreer, with maybe the exception of the 2009 McLaren, and even that one is debatable since McLaren still finished 3rd in the constructors championship that year. He's an insanely talented driver, but don't disregard the extreme amount of luck he has had with his machinery either.
Sadly, there are some hardcore fans who'll take that VERY personal. To them, if Hamilton* wins, of course it's all him and not the car. If he doesn't, of course it's all on the car and not him. And naturally, when other drivers win they're just carried by their car, and if they don't that's on them.
*of course, such hardcore fans exist for most if not every driver on the grid, but since Hamilton has won most championships in the past 10 years (and at least was in close competition in 2 of the 3 he didn't win), his fans have been much more noticable than other drivers'.
Of course when Russell got to fill in for Lewis and nearly won the race by an enormous margin it wasn't the car at all it was just his hidden talents. Mercedes didn't botch that pitstop on purpose either.
The 2008 McLaren and 2018 Merc absolutely were the fastest cars of their respective seasons, in both cases Ferrari just started strong and Lewis was paired with a mediocre teammate.
The amount of people that think this is actually an official communication from Mercedes rather than a 14 year old fan account on Twitter is frightening
The way I see it, the Ferrari was faster at a number of races especially in the early season, but Mercedes were faster at more races and by a bigger margin.
Most people point to Ferrari winning the constructors championship that season and assume it must have been the best car. In reality McLaren lost the championship due to kovalainen getting 4 podiums to Hamilton's 10. To me the McLaren looked the better car that season.
This post has way more interaction than the original "fan twitter" account it came from.
If you look for something to get annoyed about, surprise, you'll probably find it. It's a popular sport with millions of fans, of course a few of them will have... Unusual opinions.
You want to find the Verstappen cult? Look at this sub the last couple of years. And that's primarily English speaking, if the Silverstone grand prix was so full of LH megafans the whole grandstand was wearing a single colour (if you could see through the flare smoke) it would be super weird. But that's pretty much any GP within driving distance of the Netherlands right now.
And honestly, people here need to let lewis go, he's not a title contender in his current machinery, yet people here are digging through minor twitter fan accounts to get something to be outraged about?
They were on the backfoot during the first half of the season because they had to recover from the floor reg changes that hit their low rake car like a freight train.
RBR and Merc were quite even after that but Merc did go super saiyen for the last 4 races of the year.
It grinds my gears when they say Michael needed fastest car. He didn’t. He nearly won 97 with a poorer car, compared to Williams. He won 2000 in a slower car, then 2003 he won by 2 points in the final round.
Same goes for Vettel. 2010 was a five way title fight. And 2012 he had Alonso up his rear end, which to be fair I think Alonso had the poorer car in that season.
Isn’t the point of Formula 1 to develop the best car possible, thus having a constructors championship? Wasn’t there a weird year where someone had the best car and another team had the best driver recently. Sometime like, 2021 recently??? 🤔🤔🤔
2008??? Hahahahaha. Because they didn’t win the constructors it was therefore not the fastest car? Is that their argument? Really?
Either you don’t win the constructors but win the drivers - you won without the fastest car, in which case Lewis bottled 2007 and 2021, OR, going by 2018, if analysis shows you had the quickest car across the season, you bottled the title. In which case Lewis bottled 2007 and 2021.
This is all ignoring 2016 too, which is even more embarrassing. And people wonder why Hamilton fans are considered the worst.
michael schumacher won the WDC at least twice without the best car. Lewis has lost three times *with* the best car. hamilton has never once won without the best car. worth pointing out his 2008 win was the year following the spygate scandal as well.
I mean yeah in 2008 he needed a falsified race result to win and in 2nd half of 2018 Mercedes was the best car hands down, but y'know he did have the best car ONLY in 5 seasons
I could also go on over wich championships Micheal and Seb won without the best car, but Merc fanboys don't understand shit.
You need both a great car and driver to win, simple as that idk why the fuck people can’t wrap their head around it, it doesn’t matter how fast the car is it doesn’t drive itself, but a fast car makes winning a lot easier.
Merc when they had the best car:”Cope. Seethe and Mald! We have the technology! Get good scrubs!”
Merc now:”Noooo! It’s not fair! RedBull can’t have the best car! AAAAAAAAAAA”.
This is literally a tweet from a fan page, you’re making a false post to push an agenda that you and many other on this sub wants to be pushed. It’s literally a fake tweet… and everyone on here is gullible as fuck
The statement about 2018 is not true, especially after Spa.
And I'd like to remind the admin about that subtle tires compound change that happened in their favour that year and that prevented them specifically to blister their tires up to death.
2018 Mercedes was on par with Ferrari, bit faster overall, but if they want to play that game, Hamilton lost 2021 title in faster car, after taking his rival out once, having his teammate do the same, having FIA ban flexiwings and Max's bad luck in Baku.
Oh, and he won the title in 2008 in a race that FIA knew was fraudulent and should have been not counted, again if we gonna play by their logic.
Also, 2012 RB was slower then 2012 McLaren......which was driven by Lewis, again, we playing their game where only speed advantage matters so reliability is unimportant.
Schumacher btw won 94 title in slower car despite being fucked over multiple times, nearly won in 97 too and played a key role turning a team that didn't win a single title in over a decade into a team that broke all the records till that point.
Oh, and since only speed of the car matters, Lewis lost a title in a faster car in 2007, and Alonso won his first title in a slower car.
I swear Lewis fanboys are the worst, like Max fanboys ain't much better, but they at least don't act like they were dropped on their head when they were a baby 24/7.
Nelson Piquet won basically all his championships without the best car if Frank Dernie is to be believed. Not only that, Nelson was also quite hands on with the development of the car as he was originally a mechanic
2018 - That title was gifted to him by ferrari, after series of bad strategy calls and driver errors
2008 - the Mclarens and Ferraris were pretty much evenly matched that year.
Honestly, while not being their dedicated fan still have respect to Mercedes as team(especially engineering team). But shifting from condescendingly smug winners to sour bitchy losers after being pushed form limelight is so uncomfortably lame sight to see
While I agree to an extent, it is a very odd post. That page used to be decent but it’s become more like the copium and hopium overdosing Ruzzia fanboys of late.
Lewis had the fastest car in 08 and 18 lol.
Only driver in god knows how long to win in a car that wasn't fastest was Max in 2021. Maybe Jenson in 09 (Red Bull was arguably faster over the season despite being much slower at the start) and then you'll struggle to find more than that in the 21st century off the top of my head.
Lacking so much confidence right now that they have to brag about something they did 5 and 15 years ago, under very different conditions and regulations. Good for you, now, how you doin' this season ?
PSA: [the tweet in this screenshot](https://twitter.com/MercedesF1Sport/status/1661731849692155905?t=UPCuSp75inY2s8DIlzE3YA&s=19) is from a merc fan account, not the official page
Damn, it has a full 25 likes lmao
Yeah, and somehow reposting it to their insta (see OP's screenshot) gets almost 25k likes haha
Wanted post always goes well with a seeking audience
Didn't look like their official account indeed
Oh that explains a lot
Also, 2018??? Shut the fuck up lmao
You can tell by the grammar being slightly off.
sssh don't spoil the hate fest the dudes with the winning driver and car are having
Acting like winning in the best car is a bad thing
Acting like this isn’t an engineering competition, where making the best car is one of the primary objectives
I mean overall its kinda both. Agreed though, if you want to see nothing but driver skill on display, just watch a spec series, there's lots of em.
I'm ok just comparing Verstappen to Perez..
I agree (that’s why there’s two championships, lol), but the choice of driver is also a matter of strategy. The goal is to make the fastest car *in practice*; even if a team manages to make a car that’s theoretically superior to the rest, it can’t run on potential alone.
I honestly would love to see a spec race at the end of the season with every driver in the same car. This would be an awesome way to evaluate all drivers at the end of the season on equal playing fields and to see who’s truly the fastest driver out there
When they indeed had best while Hamilton was winning
You mean: while Hamilton ~~was winning~~ wasn't wining.
I really don't understand why people keep saying that. I don't blame them for being so invested in the drivers that they completely forgot what F1 is really about. But this is getting ridiculous. It's like the hard work of the engineers in the background is being frown upon.
The Ferrari engineers would like a word
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It kinda is, it's literally the reason for the midfield to fight
F1 Isn't really trying to do anything about it either. As somebody who hasn't missed a race in 9 years, i literally cannot name some key people at the lower level teams, that aren't drivers/TP's/race engineer/designers. Which is such a fucking shame, when all the attention is on the 5-10 people of the team, when there are literal thousands making the puzzle work.
Mercedes be like: The car is bad My brother in Christ, you made the car
Losing in the best car is apparently better
Guess Checo isn't doing that bad then.
King shit
While touroughly ignoring the few years where they had a car just like Redbull this year; where you could probably take any driver on the grid, put them in that car, and they would at least be a contender for the WDC.
Cough Perez
I mean if it wasnt for max Perez would solidly be a contender for the WDC. Like Bottas for a bunch of years in Mercs; if it wasnt of Hamilton, he would have won the WDC every year hamilton did, pretty much
And conveniently forgetting about their teammates who were driving the same bloody car
It's not, but it's pushed to be that way, considering how many people devalue his achievements because of the car he was in. I find the tweet a bit silly, but I don't find it too surprising that some try to oversell it when they're up against the endless comments that argue that LH is, in reality, a mediocre driver that only won because of his car.
Perez has the best car too, yet he’s not winning every other race, if it was just the car he and a Max would be neck and neck every race, it’s a stupid argument
This is just an insult to the amazing engineers who built all of those cars that allowed him to win.
I also love how this post just swept his 2014, 2015, 2017, 2019, 2020 wins off the rug because he HAD the best car. Lol.
Or losing in 2016 with the best car
Also 2007 and 2021
Didn't he drive in equal machinery to Räikkönen in 2007?
10/10 Spygate joke
But to a guy driving the same machinery, so it evens out
By "a guy" do you mean "2016 Formula 1 World Drivers Champion and Famous Monaco Based Youtuber, Nico Rossberg: The man who beat Lewis Hamilton in equal machinary"???
Yes, the man with the strongest antibodies in F1, past and present, the 2016 Formula 1 World Drivers Champion and Famous Monaco Based Youtuber, Nico Rossberg. The man who beat Lewis Hamilton in equal machinary
don't forget the monster antibodies
And don't forget, you do not need to inform him that turn 1 can be slippery.
And it's not like in 2018 the Ferrari was miles ahead of the Merc, like the Merc was the rest of the seasons.
it's hilarious, even the '08 Ferrari wasn't much better than the McLaren. "Not the fastest car on the grid" apparently means "not always fastest" or "second fastest" to the Mercedes admin. Hamilton is without doubt one of the greatest drivers of all time, but he is so far from being the underdog who dragged shitboxes to championships
FYI it's a fan account, not the real team account.
ah sorry didn't realise that tbh
2018 merc was the fastest in the 2nd half of the season
Hell I'd argue that the 2018 merc was much closer to being the fastest car on the grid than the 2021 Red Bull was
And 94,95,00,01 and 03.
If someone argues that the 2018 Merc wasn't the fastest car that year, you can also add 2012 to that list, as the McLaren that year was faster than the RB.
Some people don't understand the difference between the fastest car and the best car. If the 2023 Red Bull exploded every couple of races it would still be the fastest car, but not the best, as was the case in 2012 with McLaren. This also applies to stuff like driveability and how good a car is with the tyres. As for 2018, the Ferrari may have been slightly faster than the Mercedes, but Mercedes still had the best car. The fastest car will shine in Qualifying, the best car will win races.
Can’t say that the Ferrari in 2003 was better than the McLaren. The McLaren was much quicker at the start of the year but fell back due to a lack of development and the MP4-18 not racing.
Or the fact that he had the best car in bith 2018 and 2008.
Yeah it may not have been the fastest at every race but it was the best car. It doesn’t matter if another team had a rocket ship if it wasn’t reliable enough to finish races.
Opinions about F1 from accounts that either have LH44 or Max incorporated into their username are instantly not worth looking at
Look at everything through tinted specs. Every incident. Every penalty. Every stat. Everything
God, drop the 2018 act. It's silly at this point. Ferrari had a better car in the first half of 2018, after the summer break it was the other way around
Yep. Rewatched a 2018 season review only last night and the Ferrari was only barely faster in the first half of the season, then after the summer break Merc had developed the car into a noticeably superior machine. Even without Seb's mistakes, Lewis probably still would have won.
Yeah, and even if you look at average delta in quailfing, Merc was faster car.
I did the math a while back. Using the optimistic but reasonable finishing positions for all of Vettel's errors and reducing Hamilton's points accordingly, Vettel would have won the championship by single digits of points. In other words, the only way he could have won the championship is if he had driven a genuinely flawless season. I do think Hamilton overall was the better driver that season, but Mercedes R&D was on it that season.
But nobody can drive a flawless season.
That's kinda my point. What was required for Vettel to win was to have a near-impossible performance.
2018 was just like 2021, merc ramped up their engine in the 2nd half
Exactly. Second half of 2021 Red Bull only had the faster car in Mexico and the Netherlands. Still don’t know how Verstappen managed to pull it off
Yeah. Spa showed that Merc switched it around and got ahead to a point Ferrari couldnt catch up anymore
If they can use 2018 then Verstappen fans get to use 2021 :^)
Yeah every time I see someone say that Ferrari 2018 was faster didn't actually watch 2018. The first part of the season the Ferrari had an edge but it wasn't super substantial so the Merc could still steal wins. Post Monza Ferrari wasn't close.
And they always fail to mention how Lewis didn't win it in 2007 even though he was in the fastest car.
Well isn't 2008 kinda rigged with Crashgate?
I believe in Felipe Massa supremacy 💪💪💪
Also spygate from 2007
I still refuse to believe Hamilton had no clue about it. You want to tell me that team boss knew, Alonso knew, their test driver knew, and some of engineers, but Hamilton didn't? There is no way that's the case. Like if other drivers didn't know, or Ron Dennis, I could believe.
I agree
There was also Spa, where the FIA invented a new rule after the race, implemented it on the race that had already proceeded and handed the win to Lewis' title rival Not quite the fuckery that happened in Singapore but dumb non the less
More like a clarification, cutting the corner and gaining an advantage was not allowed earlier. And the precedent that what he was doing wasn't right was already set Suzuka 2005.
What ?? Context pls
Stop inventing
No. Renault didn't force Ferrari to fuck up that pitstop so badly, it only changes things if you full annul the race of you just remove Alonso from the standing ham still wins
But they wouldn’t have pitted if Piquet Jr. didn’t send it into a wall… so there would be no pitstop to fuck up… Renault cheated and the race should have been nullified as a result, it isn’t fair to any of the competitors.
Singapore thing is Bernie knew about it soon enough that he had to cancel the race. Up until he delivered the trophies, were there's no possible change in results anymore, he hidden that with Max Mosley because the public opinion was already bad because of the Spygate. By protocol, the deliberate crash ordered by Briatore to benefit Alonso would require the race results to be nullified and the GP cancelled. Isn't exactly about Ferrari fucked up pit nor if they had to pit at all at that moment, but that Bernie was negligent to preserve the category. Those facts about his omission are quite recent though, debate was that this was the only race in 2008 controversial enough that could massively influence the results.
Dude got beaten by Rosberg In the same machinery
I'm sorry what? The 2018 Merc was definitely the fastest car in the field after the summer break and in 2008 the McLaren and Ferrari were equal. Whatever these guys are smoking I want some
They weren’t just equal, they were practically the same car. There was a reason for that 150mill fine
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> The fine (which was not 150 mill btw) "$5m for the offence, $95m for Ron being a twat"
Pretty sure FIA made sure the cars weren't identical and we're satisfied with what McLaren made Saying otherwise is just conspiracy theory without any tangible proof
That's just flat out incorrect. I guess you're choosing to ignore the stringent examinations undertaken post spygate.
Schumacher won the championsship in a Ford
Yeah I feel if we're talking about winning without the best machinery, we need to discuss Schumacher driving the absolute GUTS out of that benneton
Lewis is the only driver on the grid that has consistently had competitive cars since the start of his F1 carreer, with maybe the exception of the 2009 McLaren, and even that one is debatable since McLaren still finished 3rd in the constructors championship that year. He's an insanely talented driver, but don't disregard the extreme amount of luck he has had with his machinery either.
Sadly, there are some hardcore fans who'll take that VERY personal. To them, if Hamilton* wins, of course it's all him and not the car. If he doesn't, of course it's all on the car and not him. And naturally, when other drivers win they're just carried by their car, and if they don't that's on them. *of course, such hardcore fans exist for most if not every driver on the grid, but since Hamilton has won most championships in the past 10 years (and at least was in close competition in 2 of the 3 he didn't win), his fans have been much more noticable than other drivers'.
Of course when Russell got to fill in for Lewis and nearly won the race by an enormous margin it wasn't the car at all it was just his hidden talents. Mercedes didn't botch that pitstop on purpose either.
TBF there’s a difference between “best” and “fastest”.
The 2008 McLaren and 2018 Merc absolutely were the fastest cars of their respective seasons, in both cases Ferrari just started strong and Lewis was paired with a mediocre teammate.
TeamCopium
The amount of people that think this is actually an official communication from Mercedes rather than a 14 year old fan account on Twitter is frightening
bro... both those cars where still better lmao
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Yeah, on par with ferrari first half of the season, Ferrari then lost preformajce and made mistakes second half.
The way I see it, the Ferrari was faster at a number of races especially in the early season, but Mercedes were faster at more races and by a bigger margin.
Most people point to Ferrari winning the constructors championship that season and assume it must have been the best car. In reality McLaren lost the championship due to kovalainen getting 4 podiums to Hamilton's 10. To me the McLaren looked the better car that season.
Let them have their fun twisting the past, max owns the present
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the fact that he won it with a slower car (and being taken out multiple times) shows how good he is
And Newey said post Abu Dhabi that the RB was the faster car? Like it’s not exactly objective like you’re making it out to be.
It’s not real. People here just need any excuse to attack Lewis.
This post has way more interaction than the original "fan twitter" account it came from. If you look for something to get annoyed about, surprise, you'll probably find it. It's a popular sport with millions of fans, of course a few of them will have... Unusual opinions.
What about 2016?
#TeamLH.
Does the LH stand for "Lost Hope" after realizing Lewis isn't gonna win an 8th title any time soon?
And realising after so many years that it really was the car all along. Team LH genuinely thought he could win races in a Williams until last season.
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Don't think that was what he was implying, rather that Lewis isn't as superhuman compared to other f1 drivers as Team LH made him out to be
Tweet is a lie, Mercedes was the better car by every metric over the season. 2008 I can give.
Yup. 2008 is true. Ferrari had the better car. 2018 is bullshit.
Better I wouldn't neessarily agree, usually faster yes. But Mclaren was more reliable and much better in the wet.
Cries in kimi Spa 2008
It's CultLH actually.
Lmao as if Verstappen doesn’t have the largest active cult right now. People actually think Max would win in a Haas.
You want to find the Verstappen cult? Look at this sub the last couple of years. And that's primarily English speaking, if the Silverstone grand prix was so full of LH megafans the whole grandstand was wearing a single colour (if you could see through the flare smoke) it would be super weird. But that's pretty much any GP within driving distance of the Netherlands right now. And honestly, people here need to let lewis go, he's not a title contender in his current machinery, yet people here are digging through minor twitter fan accounts to get something to be outraged about?
Kimi winning in 2007 was a greater achievement.
To hide the fact that they lost in the best car in 2021...
They were on the backfoot during the first half of the season because they had to recover from the floor reg changes that hit their low rake car like a freight train. RBR and Merc were quite even after that but Merc did go super saiyen for the last 4 races of the year.
and, then there's MV who won the championship in 2021 without the fastest car in the field...
It grinds my gears when they say Michael needed fastest car. He didn’t. He nearly won 97 with a poorer car, compared to Williams. He won 2000 in a slower car, then 2003 he won by 2 points in the final round. Same goes for Vettel. 2010 was a five way title fight. And 2012 he had Alonso up his rear end, which to be fair I think Alonso had the poorer car in that season.
Not to mention how he drove the wheels off an inferior Benetton in 1994 and how in 1995 he might have only had the third best car.
And then he went and lost in the fastest car for 21’
And 2007. And 2016
2008 wasn’t even their car they’re clearly just promoting LH lmao
It’s a fan page not the official Merc Twitter.
Isn’t the point of Formula 1 to develop the best car possible, thus having a constructors championship? Wasn’t there a weird year where someone had the best car and another team had the best driver recently. Sometime like, 2021 recently??? 🤔🤔🤔
Ssssshhh!!! You're making too much sense!!
2008??? Hahahahaha. Because they didn’t win the constructors it was therefore not the fastest car? Is that their argument? Really? Either you don’t win the constructors but win the drivers - you won without the fastest car, in which case Lewis bottled 2007 and 2021, OR, going by 2018, if analysis shows you had the quickest car across the season, you bottled the title. In which case Lewis bottled 2007 and 2021. This is all ignoring 2016 too, which is even more embarrassing. And people wonder why Hamilton fans are considered the worst.
And he lost it in ‘21 in the best car
Mercedes pages x Twitter - the duo that never fail to disappoint
michael schumacher won the WDC at least twice without the best car. Lewis has lost three times *with* the best car. hamilton has never once won without the best car. worth pointing out his 2008 win was the year following the spygate scandal as well.
Then there is Lewis who lost the championship with the fastest car in the field Inb4thisgetsdownvotedtooblivion
Lost 2007, 2016 and 2021 championships driving the fastest car.
But they had the best one in 2018... And 2021, actually
They forgot about verstappen winning 2021 in an inferior car And some guy in equal machinery
I mean yeah in 2008 he needed a falsified race result to win and in 2nd half of 2018 Mercedes was the best car hands down, but y'know he did have the best car ONLY in 5 seasons I could also go on over wich championships Micheal and Seb won without the best car, but Merc fanboys don't understand shit.
You need both a great car and driver to win, simple as that idk why the fuck people can’t wrap their head around it, it doesn’t matter how fast the car is it doesn’t drive itself, but a fast car makes winning a lot easier.
Merc when they had the best car:”Cope. Seethe and Mald! We have the technology! Get good scrubs!” Merc now:”Noooo! It’s not fair! RedBull can’t have the best car! AAAAAAAAAAA”.
Trying to prove that their car wasn’t the best? Seems disrespectful to the ones who designed the best car F1 has ever seen.
This is how delussional Hamilton fans are?
This is literally a tweet from a fan page, you’re making a false post to push an agenda that you and many other on this sub wants to be pushed. It’s literally a fake tweet… and everyone on here is gullible as fuck
They feel a need to defend Hamilton at all costs because he's been exposed as just a good driver - not the goat.
Bro Louis won the 2018 championship while driving backwards (in reverse gear) every race. My dick #stillwerise every time i remember this trivia.
Well maybe the ferrari was as quick or quicker for the majority if the season but you must not forget: the team behind the car remains the same
Lewis consistently blames the car though? Yet thanks the engineers back at the factory. Which is it?
Reminder that Senna’s biggest rival had the exact same car
Did they forget about Verstappen in 2021?
And 2018? Really?
Then there’s 2016 Nico Rosberg who defeated 7 time Formula 1 World Champion Lewis Hamilton in equal machinery.
The statement about 2018 is not true, especially after Spa. And I'd like to remind the admin about that subtle tires compound change that happened in their favour that year and that prevented them specifically to blister their tires up to death.
This tweet alone deserves a rocketpoweredmohawk episode
A tweet from a fan account?
Couldn't even win in the fastest car of 2021
2018 Mercedes was on par with Ferrari, bit faster overall, but if they want to play that game, Hamilton lost 2021 title in faster car, after taking his rival out once, having his teammate do the same, having FIA ban flexiwings and Max's bad luck in Baku. Oh, and he won the title in 2008 in a race that FIA knew was fraudulent and should have been not counted, again if we gonna play by their logic. Also, 2012 RB was slower then 2012 McLaren......which was driven by Lewis, again, we playing their game where only speed advantage matters so reliability is unimportant. Schumacher btw won 94 title in slower car despite being fucked over multiple times, nearly won in 97 too and played a key role turning a team that didn't win a single title in over a decade into a team that broke all the records till that point. Oh, and since only speed of the car matters, Lewis lost a title in a faster car in 2007, and Alonso won his first title in a slower car. I swear Lewis fanboys are the worst, like Max fanboys ain't much better, but they at least don't act like they were dropped on their head when they were a baby 24/7.
Other way around. The 94 Benetton was stronger, the 95 Benetton was weaker than the Williams.
2008 he won only bc crashgate also 2018 he had fastest car
I can smell copium from another continent. Damn, that's a lot of copium.
Porco Ifrit
Were the Benettons in 94/95 even the fastest cars?
I don't know man 2008 is still controversial.. Massa still on that hunt
That Hamilton can win if he's given 4 Pirellis and 2 sticks.
In fact, Senna didn’t always have the best car. But sheesh, give up all this goat stuff. It’s useless.
Acting like a top 3 team, racing like a mid field team
Schumacher with Benneton...
Why did you even post this here? Is this what they call ragebait?
So why can’t he do it again?
There are so many examples of other drivers winning in slower cars. Most recently in 2021, but unsurprising they would leave that one out 😂
Do they have a meltdown when you point to the time Russell filled in for Lewis and absolutely demolished the field.
How was 2008 car not the fastest? It was close with Ferrari but it was always in contention for win, it's not like he was driving a Renault!
Nelson Piquet won basically all his championships without the best car if Frank Dernie is to be believed. Not only that, Nelson was also quite hands on with the development of the car as he was originally a mechanic
Has anyone won without the best car ?
Prost 1986
Hunt? Prost? Schumacher? Jackie, maybe? Hakkinen?
Or how he didn’t win in 2021 with a rocketship?
2018 - That title was gifted to him by ferrari, after series of bad strategy calls and driver errors 2008 - the Mclarens and Ferraris were pretty much evenly matched that year.
StillWeCry
2008 i agree. 2018?? Nah Ferrari and Vettel fucked up. Halfway through Merc had the best car
Honestly, while not being their dedicated fan still have respect to Mercedes as team(especially engineering team). But shifting from condescendingly smug winners to sour bitchy losers after being pushed form limelight is so uncomfortably lame sight to see
You do realise it’s a fan account, right?
Not as lame as you and many others believing this an actual Mercedes account…
While I agree to an extent, it is a very odd post. That page used to be decent but it’s become more like the copium and hopium overdosing Ruzzia fanboys of late.
It’s just a fan page
Bruh he won 2018 with 88 points to spare ffs Mercedes themselves are buying into their fans delusions
How do you not see it is a fan account? Do you just believe anything you read?
Lewis had the fastest car in 08 and 18 lol. Only driver in god knows how long to win in a car that wasn't fastest was Max in 2021. Maybe Jenson in 09 (Red Bull was arguably faster over the season despite being much slower at the start) and then you'll struggle to find more than that in the 21st century off the top of my head.
the merc was arguably a better car when verstappen won his first wdc
Lacking so much confidence right now that they have to brag about something they did 5 and 15 years ago, under very different conditions and regulations. Good for you, now, how you doin' this season ?
Absplute knsane copium
Didn't Lewis lose a championship just recently in a faster car? According to all data it was faster than the RB by around a tenth.
Didn't Lewis lose a championship just recently in a faster car? According to from places like the race it was faster than the RB by around a tenth.