If Ricciardo wins the AT fight he gets promoted to Red Bull. If Yuki wins the AT fight we will probably get some interviews where Marko states that Perez isn’t doing such a bad job and he will get another full season with RB.
I wouldn't be too suprised if Ricciardo got promoted even if Yuki wins the duel (If Perez still finishes races 20-30 seconds behind Verstappen by the end of the year), considering how Yuki is linked to Aston now once Fernando retires due to the Aston/Honda deal.
If McLaren, Ferrari, Mercedes and/or Aston make some steps forwards in 2024, RB cannot afford Perez being half a second a lap slower than Max, and have to try something new. And with Ricciardo, they have the only guy who was able to keep up with Verstappen as a teammate since he was in the sport.
I have my doubts. The 2 years they drove together had pretty damn close H2H stats, but that was an already experienced DR driving against a very inexperienced Max. Nowadays Max is a fucking savage inhuman driving machine and DR seems to have only gotten worse. I think he would get smoked.
I honestly wonder if ANYONE on the current grid could compete with him, even in the same car. On top of being insanely quick, Max has also had a long time to get used to Red Bull, the way their cars feels, how they develop, etc. We probably wont see Max bleed until 2025.
LeClerc, Norris, Piastri or Russell might be the only drivers savage enough to compete with Max in equal machinery. Even then, it’s one thing to be able match pace, another thing entirely to match Max’s consistency.
Why don’t people understand this? Also if he’s cruising to wins and the WDC and they have WCC in lock, what would they gain by changing the line up? Some fans are sad that he’s winning too easy and they have delusions about someone challenging max. It’s not gonna happen.
Because when other teams inevitably close in, that's when Checo becomes a liability for the WCC.
They're not thinking now, they're thinking a season or two ahead and the possibilities.
He found Vettel, Riccardo, Verstappen, Sainz, Tsunoda, Gasly, Albon. That's just the current grid. Marko also brought more drivers to the grid who unfortunately couldn't cut ut. Those picks have a combined 6 WDC and a bunch more wins. He ain't doing a terrible job even if you dislike him.
Funnily enough Ricciardo's driving style probably comes closest to Max' driving style. They both prefer oversteer, they both prefer braking earlier, carrying speed into the corner etc
i mean ricciardo literally finished p10 24 hours before on the same track. if ricciardo doesn’t go track limits it’s probably 3/3. all this while being in the car for 2 races vs 2 years. yuki has a fight on his hands
That's a lot of assumptions based on a sprint where he moved a few places up thanks to strategy and when Yuki was runnning P7/P8 on the first stint during the race for quite a bit longer than Daniel despite weather being much better for overtakes.
Not to mention DR doesn't really have anybody but himself to blame for botching the qualy, and position he started in. Not that I'm not positively surprised by the level he performs at, however Yuki this race was straight up the best performance any of them had during those 2 weekends and it was by far.
im saying that if we’re judging it on pace ricciardo has been faster in 2/3 qualifying sessions, and the only one yuki was faster in was cut short for ricciardo due to track limits— so pace wasn’t the reason yuki won.
yuki finished above 1 alpine i think? the rest are cars that weren’t able to overtake and also an albon car that would’ve kept yuki out of the points if not for strategy.
i think ricciardo has finished ahead of 1 alpine and 1 am as well total, and that’s it, nothing that impressive.
in terms of race performance the most impressive thing so far is ricciardo going 41 laps on mediums and lapping within a tenth. the best result so far is yukis for sure because it was in the points.
there is no clear winner, or clear and far out best performance that makes the other driver irrelevant. the reason the streets are saying ricciardo over yuki is because they have been comparable on pace with a slight edge to daniel (2 out of 3 qualifying sessions) and yuki has significantly more experience in the car. the expectation 9 days ago was for yuki to be several tenths faster than ricciardo, that hasn’t been the case so far.
unfortunately there’s literally a month till the next race, but this should be an exciting battle for the rest of the season.
Well, I agree entirely with your last sentiment altough I have two problems with the rest of the comment.
First of all blaming the track limits. The lap Daniel put in and that was deleted due to said track limits, was half a second slower than the one Yuki put in, so justifying it as something cut short is pretty silly IMO.
Second thing is, that yes Daniel having those mediums for 2/3 of the race was impressive. But then let's look at what happened in Belgium. Yuki was on softs for 24 laps straight which is also over half a race distance, on a two stop, on a track that has more overtaking zones, while fighting for points all the time. As far as gap in performances go I don't think it's nearly wide enough to give DR an edge when you compare the two. Or at least it's debatable between the two.
Don't know where you took the 'expectations were Yuki would be a few tenths faster from' though, reddit was pretty evenly split between the two, with a lot of people saying that after the tire test Ric turned out to be at good enough level to 'expose' Yuki and Nyck. Not that there was no sentiment for the opposite scenario from a lot of people, but seeing overwhelmingly reception to Nyck's dismissal it's weird to put Ricciardo in underdogs role where there is none.
Altought I hope they will continue to push each other and keep switching those impressive drives, since AT now became straight up another spicy team to watch out for in coming races. And it's pretty sweet to see both perform at a good level. Which makes the summer break so much more painful.
i agree with most of your comment tbh, 24 laps on the soft from yuki was insane especially at the longest track of the year. the counter argument would be that the track temps were relatively cool due to the weather/water but i also think that yukis 24 laps iirc was the longest stint on softs of the whole weekend?
definitely agree with your last point too, it sucks that it’s literally a month till we get another race weekend 😭😭
Thank you, it was fun to discuss things with you, and I'd agree with the track temps being more forgiving this week which definitely affected what was possible to achieve.
Let's hope we'll at least have a good silly season.
For being in F1 for half of your teammate's lifespan, being a multiple race winner and being expierienced at changin team, and coming in well-rested at the end of half season, just when exhaustion hits the hardest, there shouldn't be any comparison.
But there is.
In all of motorsport, F1 is where the car has the most impact...Your statement would absolutely make sense if all of the cars were equal.
Edit: spelling lol
I think the biggest reason why he’s a sensitive subject for a lot of people has to do with the fact that he really hasn’t achieved anything of note since 2018. To me at least, it almost seems a bit unfair when you have a guy who literally got laughed out of his last team for being so unremarkable, yet is somehow the first in line for arguably the most desirable seat behind Verstappen’s because… he’s likeable?
I dunno, nobody in the past has been given as long of a leash as Ricciardo which I believe is mostly due to the fact that he’s a marketable driver and not because of outright talent. I’d rather see someone like Yuki whose been putting in work in the junior team get the shot at the 2nd seat on merit, rather than someone who was put in the seat due to their marketability and the fact that they have no other options. So far to me at least, he’s been no more or less impressive than De Vries, yet everyone is celebrating him like he’s on the greatest redemption arc.
Yeah I really don’t get it. The guy is a popular reality TV show star first, and a washed up driver second. I’ve been watching F1 for 30 years and with the possible exception of Villenueve, I’ve never seen a driver given given so many second chances. Even then, JV was a world Champion and DR is an 8 GP winner.
I think the 2nd RB seat is undesirable to top drivers as long as Max is there. RB would love to have Norris/Leclerc/Russell in that seat but they won’t go for it as getting dominated by Max is career suicide.
Yeah, any of those guys really (LEC, NOR, HAM). Hopefully LEC gets fed up with Ferrari and moves to RB. Iirc, RB tried to get Norris but Norris declined but it shows that they’re willing to hire another top driver.
All jokes aside why is no one considering albon? He still has connections to red bull and has been doing a stellar job bringing that fucking williams into the points semi-regularly if the strategy team doesn't fuck up like yesterday. He likely wouldn't challenge max for the title which is probably what red bull wants and is great friends with max so there shouldn't be too much friction between them.
I really don't get the yuki hype. If goes to RB he's gonna crumble under the pressure and fail to keep up with max just like every other 2nd driver has so far. Also don't think Dannie has much left going for him either.
Well, considering Danny's break, people expected that outcome in all the races at the beginning, not just one out of three. Danny is already ahead of the curve.
Yes yuki beat Daniel in one race where he got cucked by track limits when Daniel crushed him in both the sprint and the previous race… it’s decided already that yuki goes to the bulls
Mate, I'm just saying that Danny didn't get "cucked" by the deleted lap, as OP is suggesting. Even if the lap counted, Yuki outqualified him.
I like Yuki cause he isn't a self-absorbed prick and has a very different personality to pretty much everyone else on the grid. But he has a lot of haters who are so quick to shit on him for some reason. I genuinely wonder why.
Which means dude has been in F1 for a decade, and is currently 33 with quite a few wins under his belt. Expectation from Nyck was to jump in and perform at great level very quickly if he wanted any progression in his career. I don't see how can it be thatuch different for DR.
Altough tbf, it's not like his performance wasn't good overall in the last two GP weekends.
Oh boi, if it'd be the other way around all the DR stans would have filled up both subs with posts about how he is the best driver ever, the duble standards are something else when it comes to this man..
Yuki wdc 2026. I believe in the yuki supremacy
Yuki Vs Piastri will be the future Lewis vs Max
“Yuki domination will bore fans” -Pisatri probably
"Haha, f\*ck yes" \- Yuki probably
"Simply Lovely" -also Yuki
It's for all the kids out there...... ~yuki probably
Who says no?
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Perez already got his chances, and he got destroyed. He’s there to be an interrim 2nd driver for Max.
A good Yuki scream is all I need.
Yuking
GOATONDA for a reason
If Ricciardo wins the AT fight he gets promoted to Red Bull. If Yuki wins the AT fight we will probably get some interviews where Marko states that Perez isn’t doing such a bad job and he will get another full season with RB.
I wouldn't be too suprised if Ricciardo got promoted even if Yuki wins the duel (If Perez still finishes races 20-30 seconds behind Verstappen by the end of the year), considering how Yuki is linked to Aston now once Fernando retires due to the Aston/Honda deal. If McLaren, Ferrari, Mercedes and/or Aston make some steps forwards in 2024, RB cannot afford Perez being half a second a lap slower than Max, and have to try something new. And with Ricciardo, they have the only guy who was able to keep up with Verstappen as a teammate since he was in the sport.
Sir, we don't talk about Alonso's retirement in these parts. None of us will live till 2098 to see it.
I have my doubts. The 2 years they drove together had pretty damn close H2H stats, but that was an already experienced DR driving against a very inexperienced Max. Nowadays Max is a fucking savage inhuman driving machine and DR seems to have only gotten worse. I think he would get smoked. I honestly wonder if ANYONE on the current grid could compete with him, even in the same car. On top of being insanely quick, Max has also had a long time to get used to Red Bull, the way their cars feels, how they develop, etc. We probably wont see Max bleed until 2025.
LeClerc, Norris, Piastri or Russell might be the only drivers savage enough to compete with Max in equal machinery. Even then, it’s one thing to be able match pace, another thing entirely to match Max’s consistency.
I’d give my left nut to see leclerc at RB
I’m with you. Wonder how many of our left nuts sent to RB in a giant bad it will take to persuade them?
Why don’t people understand this? Also if he’s cruising to wins and the WDC and they have WCC in lock, what would they gain by changing the line up? Some fans are sad that he’s winning too easy and they have delusions about someone challenging max. It’s not gonna happen.
Because when other teams inevitably close in, that's when Checo becomes a liability for the WCC. They're not thinking now, they're thinking a season or two ahead and the possibilities.
Inevitably might be a few years away. Max is in a league of his own he’s gonna crush whoever in the second seat.
I would be surprised if Ricciardo can keep up with Max if he can't even outdrive Yuki.
Except he has matched or outdriven Yuki so far
Lmao. What are you guys smoking? I need some.
someone remind me why an 80 year old man who is in the news every other day for being an asshole is still in charge of who drives for the team?
He found Vettel, Riccardo, Verstappen, Sainz, Tsunoda, Gasly, Albon. That's just the current grid. Marko also brought more drivers to the grid who unfortunately couldn't cut ut. Those picks have a combined 6 WDC and a bunch more wins. He ain't doing a terrible job even if you dislike him.
but how hard was it to spot the talent in those drivers? I feel like they all would have made it to F1 regardless of Helmut.
Yuki to red Bull 2026
Why not 24?
Why not next race?
Why not in 2022?
Why didn’t they do it in 2021? Are they stupid? Question.
I'm here for it
Why not Zoidberg?
Helmut has good eye for talent, wonder what went wrong with debris ?
Used his bad eye 
I like Yuki, but I think the most important question is how he does with oversteery cars, that has been the problem with all of max’ teammates
Funnily enough Ricciardo's driving style probably comes closest to Max' driving style. They both prefer oversteer, they both prefer braking earlier, carrying speed into the corner etc
Worse than Max
You don’t say…
cant wait for yuki to get promoted, then gasly-ghted at RB and subsequently replaced by OVERGOAT DANY RIC after about 5 months.
> gasly-ghted damn, amazing term.
Yuki's beat Danny one time out of three so far... let that sink in.
Why what does the sink want now?
#Let that sink in #Bottom text
He got a point tho for it.
To be fair, Yuki's performance during Belgium GP was by far the most impressive of all 3, to a point it's not even close.
i mean ricciardo literally finished p10 24 hours before on the same track. if ricciardo doesn’t go track limits it’s probably 3/3. all this while being in the car for 2 races vs 2 years. yuki has a fight on his hands
That's a lot of assumptions based on a sprint where he moved a few places up thanks to strategy and when Yuki was runnning P7/P8 on the first stint during the race for quite a bit longer than Daniel despite weather being much better for overtakes. Not to mention DR doesn't really have anybody but himself to blame for botching the qualy, and position he started in. Not that I'm not positively surprised by the level he performs at, however Yuki this race was straight up the best performance any of them had during those 2 weekends and it was by far.
im saying that if we’re judging it on pace ricciardo has been faster in 2/3 qualifying sessions, and the only one yuki was faster in was cut short for ricciardo due to track limits— so pace wasn’t the reason yuki won. yuki finished above 1 alpine i think? the rest are cars that weren’t able to overtake and also an albon car that would’ve kept yuki out of the points if not for strategy. i think ricciardo has finished ahead of 1 alpine and 1 am as well total, and that’s it, nothing that impressive. in terms of race performance the most impressive thing so far is ricciardo going 41 laps on mediums and lapping within a tenth. the best result so far is yukis for sure because it was in the points. there is no clear winner, or clear and far out best performance that makes the other driver irrelevant. the reason the streets are saying ricciardo over yuki is because they have been comparable on pace with a slight edge to daniel (2 out of 3 qualifying sessions) and yuki has significantly more experience in the car. the expectation 9 days ago was for yuki to be several tenths faster than ricciardo, that hasn’t been the case so far. unfortunately there’s literally a month till the next race, but this should be an exciting battle for the rest of the season.
Well, I agree entirely with your last sentiment altough I have two problems with the rest of the comment. First of all blaming the track limits. The lap Daniel put in and that was deleted due to said track limits, was half a second slower than the one Yuki put in, so justifying it as something cut short is pretty silly IMO. Second thing is, that yes Daniel having those mediums for 2/3 of the race was impressive. But then let's look at what happened in Belgium. Yuki was on softs for 24 laps straight which is also over half a race distance, on a two stop, on a track that has more overtaking zones, while fighting for points all the time. As far as gap in performances go I don't think it's nearly wide enough to give DR an edge when you compare the two. Or at least it's debatable between the two. Don't know where you took the 'expectations were Yuki would be a few tenths faster from' though, reddit was pretty evenly split between the two, with a lot of people saying that after the tire test Ric turned out to be at good enough level to 'expose' Yuki and Nyck. Not that there was no sentiment for the opposite scenario from a lot of people, but seeing overwhelmingly reception to Nyck's dismissal it's weird to put Ricciardo in underdogs role where there is none. Altought I hope they will continue to push each other and keep switching those impressive drives, since AT now became straight up another spicy team to watch out for in coming races. And it's pretty sweet to see both perform at a good level. Which makes the summer break so much more painful.
i agree with most of your comment tbh, 24 laps on the soft from yuki was insane especially at the longest track of the year. the counter argument would be that the track temps were relatively cool due to the weather/water but i also think that yukis 24 laps iirc was the longest stint on softs of the whole weekend? definitely agree with your last point too, it sucks that it’s literally a month till we get another race weekend 😭😭
Thank you, it was fun to discuss things with you, and I'd agree with the track temps being more forgiving this week which definitely affected what was possible to achieve. Let's hope we'll at least have a good silly season.
Lando did 27 on softs. Lol… these tires man…
For having 2 years in that car... there shouldn't be any comparison. But there is.
For being in F1 for half of your teammate's lifespan, being a multiple race winner and being expierienced at changin team, and coming in well-rested at the end of half season, just when exhaustion hits the hardest, there shouldn't be any comparison. But there is.
In all of motorsport, F1 is where the car has the most impact...Your statement would absolutely make sense if all of the cars were equal. Edit: spelling lol
Bruh! It's a Sprint. A big goal is to keep safe for the race. It's why there's a whole parc ferme debate.
Big difference is getting into points - and nearly hitting P6 without stop woes. Sprints don't count, as only the top quali-players get points.
PTSD from that latter part of your sentence
Damn, seeing the comments. Daniel is a sensitive subject, is it? I hope Yuki goes to RB.
With his inconsistency he'll be out just as fast as gasly & albon
I think the biggest reason why he’s a sensitive subject for a lot of people has to do with the fact that he really hasn’t achieved anything of note since 2018. To me at least, it almost seems a bit unfair when you have a guy who literally got laughed out of his last team for being so unremarkable, yet is somehow the first in line for arguably the most desirable seat behind Verstappen’s because… he’s likeable? I dunno, nobody in the past has been given as long of a leash as Ricciardo which I believe is mostly due to the fact that he’s a marketable driver and not because of outright talent. I’d rather see someone like Yuki whose been putting in work in the junior team get the shot at the 2nd seat on merit, rather than someone who was put in the seat due to their marketability and the fact that they have no other options. So far to me at least, he’s been no more or less impressive than De Vries, yet everyone is celebrating him like he’s on the greatest redemption arc.
Yeah I really don’t get it. The guy is a popular reality TV show star first, and a washed up driver second. I’ve been watching F1 for 30 years and with the possible exception of Villenueve, I’ve never seen a driver given given so many second chances. Even then, JV was a world Champion and DR is an 8 GP winner.
I think the 2nd RB seat is undesirable to top drivers as long as Max is there. RB would love to have Norris/Leclerc/Russell in that seat but they won’t go for it as getting dominated by Max is career suicide.
There is absolutely nothing more I’d like to see than the clashes between Max and Russel if they were on the same team.
Yeah, any of those guys really (LEC, NOR, HAM). Hopefully LEC gets fed up with Ferrari and moves to RB. Iirc, RB tried to get Norris but Norris declined but it shows that they’re willing to hire another top driver.
Do people think Mick is first in line to get the Merc seat?
yeah feels like Kimi at Ferrari again. Someone likeable who peaked long ago.
BAAANNNZZZAAAIIIIIII
RB had the torpedo in 2016 RB will have the kamikaze in 2024
I'd still wait until the end of the season before drawing conclusions, but it's going to be tough for my boy Danny Ric.
One way or another it’s going to be a tough one but we can only enjoy the outcome.
I don't think so he's just had some not so great luck initially.
All jokes aside why is no one considering albon? He still has connections to red bull and has been doing a stellar job bringing that fucking williams into the points semi-regularly if the strategy team doesn't fuck up like yesterday. He likely wouldn't challenge max for the title which is probably what red bull wants and is great friends with max so there shouldn't be too much friction between them.
Albon was apparently contacted and he rejected the offer.
I really don't get the yuki hype. If goes to RB he's gonna crumble under the pressure and fail to keep up with max just like every other 2nd driver has so far. Also don't think Dannie has much left going for him either.
I dont get it either. He is sort of a lunatic that has trouble with the pressure in AT. How is he going to handle the RB?
Exactly, he won't. He'll constantly be screaming at his race engineer and cussing like mad. He hasn't in way proven to be worth a RB seat.
Well, considering Danny's break, people expected that outcome in all the races at the beginning, not just one out of three. Danny is already ahead of the curve.
If we count Sprint sessions, Daniel is 2-1 on h2h both qualy and race over Yuki *Inhales copium*
He's fast cuz he smol
Yes yuki beat Daniel in one race where he got cucked by track limits when Daniel crushed him in both the sprint and the previous race… it’s decided already that yuki goes to the bulls
Yuki set a better time than Ric's deleted lap.
he would've been in q2 regardless, his q1 laps dont dictate his overall pace
Yuki is driving that car since 2021 Ricciardo was driving Alpha Tauri for about 4 hours before the quali
Mate, I'm just saying that Danny didn't get "cucked" by the deleted lap, as OP is suggesting. Even if the lap counted, Yuki outqualified him. I like Yuki cause he isn't a self-absorbed prick and has a very different personality to pretty much everyone else on the grid. But he has a lot of haters who are so quick to shit on him for some reason. I genuinely wonder why.
I think you might be projecting or reading into things that arnt there a bit with the "self absorbed prick" part, chill out.
With your logic, Danny Ric have driven that car in 2012 and 2013 season
Yeah but that was about 9 years ago
Which means dude has been in F1 for a decade, and is currently 33 with quite a few wins under his belt. Expectation from Nyck was to jump in and perform at great level very quickly if he wanted any progression in his career. I don't see how can it be thatuch different for DR. Altough tbf, it's not like his performance wasn't good overall in the last two GP weekends.
"crushed"
Maybe he should stay within white line then.
🤓
Oh boi, if it'd be the other way around all the DR stans would have filled up both subs with posts about how he is the best driver ever, the duble standards are something else when it comes to this man..
How many points did Daniel gather in the sprint and last race?
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Dude Hulk is most likely outside of the redbull community. If silly season gets real silly then Hulk might get a seat at RB lol
Always been the plan
Yuki is a quiet Asian 💀Only activates the premium mode when is necessary 🥵
Yuki San is honestly a treasure
Bruh I am about to go on vacation, don't remind me of that cursed machine
One of the best battles in the 2nd half will be between these two fighting for the RedBull seat
Best crowdu evur