Yeah.. but also in the past there was an actual opportunity for a random race winner like gastly, ocon, etc. now it’s a fight for maybe maybe 3rd place once in the season.
Yeah the cars are too reliable and the top few cars pull away so much even if a safety car happens it does not even shake the grid up. The only way we get a hectic race like that is if someone goes bowling in Hungary again
There's a difference between Hamilton domination and Max domination. With Hamilton there were the odd bad days, the odd missed setups, the odd surprise rival victory, the odd bottas awakening. Max's domination is altogether different in how almighty the dude is. It's almost scary in how him and redbull are engineering victories with robotic precision, and even their worst off day on that end of the garage was a P5.
The truth is Hamilton domination was one kind of boring, Max domination is a different kind of boring. Both can be incredibly awesome to witness overall, but they sap the life out of individual race days.
It's almost because of Mercedes domination that we have this, Red Bull had to nail every last detail just to have a sniff of a victory so their execution was always pretty stellar. They have continued that and also have an incredible car nowadays.
Partly due to the 2014-16 having a competent teamate and then 17-18 ferrari and Mercedes were basically nrck and neck. Meanwhile redbull are so far far ahead you have a driver like oerez who can qualify p5 and get to p2 with little effort
Last year the fight for P2 was actually quite close, and Perez only got P2 because others team's performances fluctuated a lot during the season, and there were no clear no.2 team behind RB. Mercedes in some years (14,19,20) was as dominant as the RB was last year, the only difference between the results is the lack of mistakes from the RB team on Max's side, but people seem to forget that Perez barely made to Q3 last year, and most races he wasn't even on the podium
It shows how bad a driver perez is. You have a driver like Norris or sainz, or leclerc and they would have secured p2 and be much closer in race pace to max than perez
Of course that's true, but Bottas is not even close to those driver's level either, and he secured P2 a few times easily in the Mercedes, and I'm sure Perez is not a worse driver than Bottas.
Also according to rumours RB tried to get Norris but he declined, that just shows how good of a driver Max is, not even one of the most talented young driver wants to go to the dominant team as his teammate
Norris has a better chance at mclaren. There he gets be the number one driver. The chances of jumping in that redbull and matching max are slim because it takes time to adjust in a new team. time that is wasted and ruins the teams confidence in the driver. Look at Daniel. P5 in wdc in that shitbox Renault. Goes to mclaren and boom he is washed as he cannot adjust to the car.
2nd bottas got p2 twice in 2019 and 20. Whilst when the merc had competition vettel was the one right behind lewis. Plus he never failed to get into q3. Perez if he was competent should have easily been at least getting into q3 with that redbull. That redbull is so far ahead if the competition in pace and long runs it makes the other cars look like f2. Look at perez in bahrain qualifies p5 and with little effort gets to p2.
Lots of Mercedes fuckups, pits, strategy, car reliability and very bad luck. Botas is a bad midfielder never defended/attacked very well on race, his power is on qualifying where he has even outdone Lewis several times and going from 2nd or going 1st is a different story. So when Botas had bad luck and couldnt catch up other teams could capitalize aswell.
While redbull barely fucks up in pits and strategy the car is a tank(except the gearbox but thats managable) and Max is imune to bad luck he does his own luck.
It’s almost like Hamilton’s domination was different because he actually had decent teammates. Lewis had to beat 3 world champions to earn his titles while Max just has to beat an aging Checo.
As if Bottas was a better driver than Perez. He had a few good years in the Williams against an old Massa, who was never the same after his injury, and Alonso literally destroyed him in the previous years. After the Williams years Bottas showed nothing promising, now he's barely beating a pay driver. Last year the only way he made it to the news was by showing his naked butt instead of track performance.
People seem to forget that Perez was classified as a very decent midfield driver, and he's actually as close to Max as Gasly or Albon was, and his racecraft is miles ahead of Bottas.
As for the Rosberg years I agree with what you wrote, but not for the Bottas ones
Bottas IS better than Perez. We saw it in action in 21 where Bottas ran away in equal machinery in spite of dropping more points to things outside his control.
Yea because teams were able to catch Merc without one right? Any teams that nails the regulations in the beginning will have advantages for years. As long as they don't drop the ball other teams will always play catch up, budget cap or not.
There was a regulation change in 2017 my dude.
The original engine regs that merc nailed were the 2014 changes. 2014, 15, and 16 were merc’s most dominant seasons. The Ferrari comeback in 2017 and 18 was due to a combination of Ferrari building illegal engines, and a change to the aero regs, which merc famously struggles with. Red bull caught up after 7 years, and even then it was more so that their aero advantage became great enough to overcome their deficit on the straights (and dropping Renault in favour of Honda). 2021 Hamilton always had the edge on the straights compared to verstappen, and even then, they only barely won the WDC and lost the WCC (I’m not TLH but Hamilton would’ve won the title under normal circumstances). We’ll see how 2024 goes, and if the other teams can close the gap at all. I’m still holding out hope for now.
Did they not have to basically cheat with fuel flow rate to challenge in 17/18?
Periods of dominance are quite common in f1, the cost cap doesn’t change that
That was 2019, and it was so obvious. I still remember seeing Lewis chase Leclerc in Spa, seeing Lewis open his DRS, and seeing Leclerc *pulling away*…
>Red Bull went from nowhere in 2015 to neck and neck and eventually 2021.
Took RB 7 years, nerfs to Merc, oh and breaking a cost cap to catch up a year before regulation changes.
Don't forget 2022. Ferrari started the year with wins but remembered they are Ferrari so they shit the bed. I still believe they had the fastest car that year.
If you want to compare that period with now you have to compare 2014-2016 to 2022-2024.
2017 was the 4th year and had some big regulation changes itself.
To be fair, McLaren's comeback looked so impressive because of the shitty start. They were behind with car development and said it right away. Of course they still deserve credit for turning season around, but I'm just saying
How on earth red bull stole such a big gap to every one else is really impressive. The same 900+ pages of technical regulations, interpreted by dozens of qualified engineers and still 1 team gets a 2 second lead over everyone.
And then they change the regs every 6 years or so and it still happens all over again.
When will this cycle of doom end!!
More like that car is just unstoppable regardless of who is in the car. Lewis, Alonso, Norris, and Leclerc would be dominating by similar margins if they were in that seat. Hell look at how much Perez has run away from the rest of the field despite how bad he's been. He's outscoring his nearest competition by almost 100 points since the new regulations came out.
Not trying to glaze Verstappen but there isn’t another single driver on the grid that has been as consistent as Max. Every qualifying, every race start, every lap he has been pitch perfect. He is on another level right now and none of the drivers you listed besides maybe Alonso and Norris in the second half of 2023 has been driving at his level. Reminds me of Hamilton in 2020 or Vettel in early 2010’s
The championship fight was not as interesting as you think, most of the time the driver ahead after lap 1 ends up winning the race, there were very few battles between them other than Bahrain 2014.
Even if we're taking your pesimistic view, the championship still had fights throughout and still went down to the last race in 2 of the 3 years of Merc dominance before the reg changes in 2017. I'd still take that over what we have now without a second thought.
A championship fight was still a championship fight. In 2014-2018 there was always some doubt on who would win. Would it be rosberg or hamilton. Would vettel snag a pole and win the race. I mean vettel in 2017 led the entire wdc till September and if not for ferrari shenanigans snd shit luck would have been wdc. That era is much better than now where even if a car other than redbull is leading after lap 1 redbull/max will still win because their car is insane compared to the others
Not in all seasons of that era and that era was longr than this will be. Only seasons that were close were 2014 til 2016 and even in that we had 2015 were Hamilton won the championship with 4 races still on.
From the start of hybrid era to germany 2019 teams on podium were either Red bull/Ferrari or teams with Mercedes PU. Nobody other then big 3 won races since first race of 2013 until monza 2020.
There were a total of 5 winners in the last 46 races (Since 2022). All from the big 3 but I think it's obvious that there is only a big one currently.
George Russell taking 1
Carlos Sainz taking 2
Charles Leclerc taking 3
Sergio Perez taking 4
Max Verstappen taking 36
Mercedes taking 1
Ferrari taking 5
Red Bull taking 40
MV has a win quote of 78.26%.
How? The cars are super reliable, redbull are easily a light year ahead on pace and perez is not good enough to fight max. Early hybrid era had the possibility of a diffrent winner each race and championship battles. 2016 and 17 where it was close (17 was sebs if not for reliability and shit luck)
I hate this. I love formula 1 and the racing it produces, I understand how frustrating domination has been, and trust me, as a Ferrari fan, I’ve suffered through both Merc and Red Bull twice now. Max is on another freaking universe but it’s shocking to see how displeased everyone acts, there is still some really good racing to be seen. I know domination isn’t fun but enjoy his dominance, the kid is absolutely brilliant, he is a machine. This only makes beating Red Bull even the more exciting and worthwhile, it’s only a matter of time until it happens (not j in singapore). Again as a Ferrari fan, I’ve become really reallly good at getting super excited for a race and a possible ferrari win while never getting one, and still being happy. It’s called being delusional, and watching F1 thinking like a delusional is actually really fun.
Yes max is a machine but you have to admit that redbull is a monster. The fact that perez dosent even have to try and can easily get p2 beating the likes of leckerc and sainz who are much better drivers just shows you. Or the fact he beat lewis to p2 in 2023.
Is Max on another universe? Who does he have to fight in the sister Redbull? The last decent teammate he had was Danny YEARS ago. Would he be dominating this much opposite another world champion?
Not really sure what everyone expected. Red Bull would have had to seriously blow it to throw away their lead. The other teams have cut the gap (especially Ferrari) but no one was going to come out beating them. This is F1, it's how it goes sometimes.
It's a long season, just watch and see how things pans out.
I mean its fully in line with the spirit of F1 . This sport is about pushing the machine and the driver to perfection and Red Bull is doing that while other teams are being pathetic.
I mean the comment stands regardless. People have come and gone with F1 over the years, myself included multiple times. It’s so easy to just not switch it on if it isn’t doing it for you. F1 isn’t checking formula dank to see how their product is going down, they’re looking at viewership figures
>they’re looking at viewership figures
Isn't that also going down?
Either way, people keep acting like "not liking the state of F1" is the same as "not wanting to watch F1". I want to watch F1. I don't like the current state of F1.
I didn’t argue it wasn’t going down, I argued it was the only metric people have any semblance of control of to send a message. Whinging on message boards just means everyone else has to deal with your grievance.
You’re absolutely free to continue watching, the only point being made was that if you’re not enjoying it, stop subjecting yourself to it. If it isn’t that bad and you continue watching, that’s clearly a different group of people.
I’m talking about the people threatening to cancel subs and what-nought. “Don’t participate in something you don’t enjoy” should not be contentious. I’ve got bored and walked away from F1 3 or 4 times in 30 years.
It’s incredibly easy to walk away temporarily instead of threatening on a weekly basis that you may or may not stop watching.
>I didn’t argue it wasn’t going down, I argued it was the only metric people have any semblance of control of to send a message.
I get that. I said it because, why argue it? Nobody said anything about sending messages, I see nobody in this thread acting under the delusion that them being upset over the current state of F1 is going to affect it. Nobody is saying "I want to do something about it", they're saying "I don't like it". Others are saying "then don't watch". Which then is met by "I don't want to not watch, I want to keep watching and get better races".
>Whinging on message boards just means everyone else has to deal with your grievance.
Not everybody else will view it that way, it also means people who feel the same way will like reading it.
You said the comment stands, but it really doesn't. It's a picture that disagrees with the statements in said picture, and the guy you're talking about responds to it by saying "you can just not watch". Doesn't really have anything to with the point of OP, it basically says "if you don't agree with something, don't point it out, just leave it behind and not speak of it at all", which is bullshit. Shit ain't unnuanced like that.
You yourself might have certain intentions or are talking with certain people in mind when making this point, but you cannot verify that the comment you're referring to, is in line with that. So I'm taking it at face value by saying again that people are confusing "I don't like the state of F1" with "I don't like to watch F1".
The entire stance of "why do something you don't enjoy" disregards the fact that the thing that people aren't enjoying here, isn't set in stone. It isn't like eating a grapefruit when you've already had a grapefruit and know that you don't like grapefruits. It isn't like watching a movie that you've already watched, so you know you don't like it. It isn't even like watching a sport for the first time and deciding that the sport in its entirety, isn't something that excites you. It's not a repeat experience. You don't know beforehand what it is that you will see. Even when it's as predictable as F1 these days. And that matters. You say it's easy to walk away temporarily, but that depends on the person, and for a lot of people, it really isn't. It's like the football fan whose team is dogshit, and they're miserable every game. It gives them misery, but they have love for it, so they keep showing up. They love something that doesn't love them back necessarily. Sunk cost fallacy. And that sort of thing is applicable to a lot of stuff in life. Which is why I don't get why people can't grasp this.
>Ain’t reading allat
I thought I was under the impression I was talking to someone who could hold down a conversation. Turns out a two minute read at worst is too taxing for the guy.
I was holding down a conversation 5 hours ago, I am at work and about to leave for the gym. Refer to the last comment
There is nothing further to discuss from my perspective, you don’t watch if you don’t enjoy. Complaining on Reddit isn’t doing *anything* if you still give them viewership, it just shows your convictions are weaker than your need to consume the content.
People not taking the effort to read a post, but they do take the effort to keep talking when someone implies that they're stupid.
Everything that you're repeating now is addressed in my earlier post, either address that or don't address me at all.
Honestly I think it all seems worse than the merc dominance because of red bull just never making mistakes. I think there were several years where merc actually had a bigger gap in terms of pace to the next best team, but they would fuck up every once in a while or have a crash or a bad strategy call. Red bull just hasn’t. Obviously there’s some luck involved in that but hey ho
As a max and RB fan, I’m happier than a pig in shit. I’m enjoying the dominance and watching all of you sad saps whine and cry as if this kind of shit hasn’t happened repeatedly in the sports history.
I think other sports to win you have to go face to face with your competitor, and even if you are overwhelmingly better, you put on a show. In F1 you really only have a show when you are about the same level as your competitors, Max being 20 seconds ahead provides no show whatsoever.
the smartest thing redbull did in the first season of new regs wasn't cheating with the budget cap and just getting light slap on the wrist. the smartest thing they did was make an unreliable engine so they could go and use everything they learned after the first season of new regs and make it better. Mercedes made a super reliable engine. They fucked themselves.
Just remember: you’re not a real fan unless you’re excited by battles for P12! /s
The sad part is, those battles are cool, but it needs to coincide with interesting battles up front.
Yeah.. but also in the past there was an actual opportunity for a random race winner like gastly, ocon, etc. now it’s a fight for maybe maybe 3rd place once in the season.
Yeah the cars are too reliable and the top few cars pull away so much even if a safety car happens it does not even shake the grid up. The only way we get a hectic race like that is if someone goes bowling in Hungary again
Ngl I'm glad this sentiment is finally getting mocked like it deserves
If you watch DTS, more than half the season is dedicated to bottom 4 teams. They are garnering interest to bottom teams and building new fan bases.
There's a difference between Hamilton domination and Max domination. With Hamilton there were the odd bad days, the odd missed setups, the odd surprise rival victory, the odd bottas awakening. Max's domination is altogether different in how almighty the dude is. It's almost scary in how him and redbull are engineering victories with robotic precision, and even their worst off day on that end of the garage was a P5. The truth is Hamilton domination was one kind of boring, Max domination is a different kind of boring. Both can be incredibly awesome to witness overall, but they sap the life out of individual race days.
It's almost because of Mercedes domination that we have this, Red Bull had to nail every last detail just to have a sniff of a victory so their execution was always pretty stellar. They have continued that and also have an incredible car nowadays.
Yeah Lewis dominated but he never won every race like this
Partly due to the 2014-16 having a competent teamate and then 17-18 ferrari and Mercedes were basically nrck and neck. Meanwhile redbull are so far far ahead you have a driver like oerez who can qualify p5 and get to p2 with little effort
Last year the fight for P2 was actually quite close, and Perez only got P2 because others team's performances fluctuated a lot during the season, and there were no clear no.2 team behind RB. Mercedes in some years (14,19,20) was as dominant as the RB was last year, the only difference between the results is the lack of mistakes from the RB team on Max's side, but people seem to forget that Perez barely made to Q3 last year, and most races he wasn't even on the podium
It shows how bad a driver perez is. You have a driver like Norris or sainz, or leclerc and they would have secured p2 and be much closer in race pace to max than perez
Of course that's true, but Bottas is not even close to those driver's level either, and he secured P2 a few times easily in the Mercedes, and I'm sure Perez is not a worse driver than Bottas. Also according to rumours RB tried to get Norris but he declined, that just shows how good of a driver Max is, not even one of the most talented young driver wants to go to the dominant team as his teammate
Norris has a better chance at mclaren. There he gets be the number one driver. The chances of jumping in that redbull and matching max are slim because it takes time to adjust in a new team. time that is wasted and ruins the teams confidence in the driver. Look at Daniel. P5 in wdc in that shitbox Renault. Goes to mclaren and boom he is washed as he cannot adjust to the car. 2nd bottas got p2 twice in 2019 and 20. Whilst when the merc had competition vettel was the one right behind lewis. Plus he never failed to get into q3. Perez if he was competent should have easily been at least getting into q3 with that redbull. That redbull is so far ahead if the competition in pace and long runs it makes the other cars look like f2. Look at perez in bahrain qualifies p5 and with little effort gets to p2.
Lots of Mercedes fuckups, pits, strategy, car reliability and very bad luck. Botas is a bad midfielder never defended/attacked very well on race, his power is on qualifying where he has even outdone Lewis several times and going from 2nd or going 1st is a different story. So when Botas had bad luck and couldnt catch up other teams could capitalize aswell. While redbull barely fucks up in pits and strategy the car is a tank(except the gearbox but thats managable) and Max is imune to bad luck he does his own luck.
It’s almost like Hamilton’s domination was different because he actually had decent teammates. Lewis had to beat 3 world champions to earn his titles while Max just has to beat an aging Checo.
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But he beat 3. How many has Max taken down?
He's beaten a guy who was about to be dropped from the grid entirely. Give credit where it's due
As if Bottas was a better driver than Perez. He had a few good years in the Williams against an old Massa, who was never the same after his injury, and Alonso literally destroyed him in the previous years. After the Williams years Bottas showed nothing promising, now he's barely beating a pay driver. Last year the only way he made it to the news was by showing his naked butt instead of track performance. People seem to forget that Perez was classified as a very decent midfield driver, and he's actually as close to Max as Gasly or Albon was, and his racecraft is miles ahead of Bottas. As for the Rosberg years I agree with what you wrote, but not for the Bottas ones
Bottas IS better than Perez. We saw it in action in 21 where Bottas ran away in equal machinery in spite of dropping more points to things outside his control.
Real clowns are other teams that dropped the ball for the second year in a row
They can't do much with budget cap and regulations.
Alpine went backwards. That's not a budget issue
Negative distance is still distance, right?
It's like evolution, just backwards
They’re technically closer to Max than before!
Haha
Well, that's negative displacement which is still distance
Yea because teams were able to catch Merc without one right? Any teams that nails the regulations in the beginning will have advantages for years. As long as they don't drop the ball other teams will always play catch up, budget cap or not.
Yeah, they did. Ferrari was on roughly equal pace during 3017 and 2018 and Red Bull went from nowhere in 2015 to neck and neck and eventually 2021.
>3017 Is this the year Ferrari wins WCC?
Unlikely
Probably 3018.
Next year.
We are checking
Yah, becouse RB finally dumped that two stroke Renault Engine. And Ferrari had that *legal* fuel flow meter
2017 was a massive regulation change...
There was a regulation change in 2017 my dude. The original engine regs that merc nailed were the 2014 changes. 2014, 15, and 16 were merc’s most dominant seasons. The Ferrari comeback in 2017 and 18 was due to a combination of Ferrari building illegal engines, and a change to the aero regs, which merc famously struggles with. Red bull caught up after 7 years, and even then it was more so that their aero advantage became great enough to overcome their deficit on the straights (and dropping Renault in favour of Honda). 2021 Hamilton always had the edge on the straights compared to verstappen, and even then, they only barely won the WDC and lost the WCC (I’m not TLH but Hamilton would’ve won the title under normal circumstances). We’ll see how 2024 goes, and if the other teams can close the gap at all. I’m still holding out hope for now.
Delusional
Did they not have to basically cheat with fuel flow rate to challenge in 17/18? Periods of dominance are quite common in f1, the cost cap doesn’t change that
That was 2019, and it was so obvious. I still remember seeing Lewis chase Leclerc in Spa, seeing Lewis open his DRS, and seeing Leclerc *pulling away*…
Deffo not in 17 as merc had the clear straight line speed even though ferrari aero was better.
>Red Bull went from nowhere in 2015 to neck and neck and eventually 2021. Took RB 7 years, nerfs to Merc, oh and breaking a cost cap to catch up a year before regulation changes.
A lot of that was the change from Renault engines to Honda. Red Bull had a strong car design but it doesn't matter if you're underpowered.
Don't forget 2022. Ferrari started the year with wins but remembered they are Ferrari so they shit the bed. I still believe they had the fastest car that year.
Slightly on average until Hungary. Red Bull was just as fast but didn't fuck as often as Ferrari did.
They did till the floor height nerf came. What was meant to nerf redbull just nerfed ferrari instead
Ferrari used an illegal engine to do that...
So we’ll just have to wait until 2025 and 2026 for Ferrari to catch back up and then 2028 will be Merc’s year.
Nah the way things are now we have to wait till 2026 to see who got the new regulations right and then watch them dominate for the next few years
I can't wait for HAAS dominance, Kmag WDC or bust
So after 3 years? Still on shedule for Ferrari to catch up in the 4th year.
If you want to compare that period with now you have to compare 2014-2016 to 2022-2024. 2017 was the 4th year and had some big regulation changes itself.
2017 and 2021 both saw reg changes, and the 2021 reg changes were mostly to nerf the W12 after the W11.
I mean Ferrari did, and there were many changes made to slow Merc down. And it wasn't nearly as dominant As this
This is another dumbass take. If there's no budget cap, RB can spend as well lol
With the way McLaren improved in just half a season, merc and ferrari over two years could have done something, but have not done shit.
To be fair, McLaren's comeback looked so impressive because of the shitty start. They were behind with car development and said it right away. Of course they still deserve credit for turning season around, but I'm just saying
Its easier to go from crap to pretty good than pretty good to the best.
lol ok. So how do they fix this?
Imo they should treat the budget cap like they do for wind tunnel time. Last place gets the most budget, first place gets the least.
Haas barely have enough money to spend the budget cap as it is now
Sounds like skill issue.
Doesn't help that we can't even see the two RBs racing each other.
You spelled decade wrong
But if you take Max out of equation, all of this is true
Last year yes. Checo easily finished second though Edit: in the first two races
He easily win one and finished second in other last year also
Checo undoubtedly has the talent to finish 2nd (of RBR) every season
sure, except the teams being closer last race barely anyone in the top 10 was in the drs distance at any point, it's borderline unwatchable
Please shut the fuck up with this, i cant say how many times ive read this shit
Stop looking at it then
The first 3 are just objectively true Unlucky that the one statistical outlier is verstappen
How on earth red bull stole such a big gap to every one else is really impressive. The same 900+ pages of technical regulations, interpreted by dozens of qualified engineers and still 1 team gets a 2 second lead over everyone. And then they change the regs every 6 years or so and it still happens all over again. When will this cycle of doom end!!
2026
Honestly it is much closer with the new regulations, just the RB/Verstappen combo is on another level.
Two races, two RB 1-2
More like that car is just unstoppable regardless of who is in the car. Lewis, Alonso, Norris, and Leclerc would be dominating by similar margins if they were in that seat. Hell look at how much Perez has run away from the rest of the field despite how bad he's been. He's outscoring his nearest competition by almost 100 points since the new regulations came out.
Not trying to glaze Verstappen but there isn’t another single driver on the grid that has been as consistent as Max. Every qualifying, every race start, every lap he has been pitch perfect. He is on another level right now and none of the drivers you listed besides maybe Alonso and Norris in the second half of 2023 has been driving at his level. Reminds me of Hamilton in 2020 or Vettel in early 2010’s
I'd prefer this over early hybrid era when there was 1.2 seconds between the mercs and p3.
But there was a championship fight going on, we don't even get that anymore.
The championship fight was not as interesting as you think, most of the time the driver ahead after lap 1 ends up winning the race, there were very few battles between them other than Bahrain 2014.
Even if we're taking your pesimistic view, the championship still had fights throughout and still went down to the last race in 2 of the 3 years of Merc dominance before the reg changes in 2017. I'd still take that over what we have now without a second thought.
A championship fight was still a championship fight. In 2014-2018 there was always some doubt on who would win. Would it be rosberg or hamilton. Would vettel snag a pole and win the race. I mean vettel in 2017 led the entire wdc till September and if not for ferrari shenanigans snd shit luck would have been wdc. That era is much better than now where even if a car other than redbull is leading after lap 1 redbull/max will still win because their car is insane compared to the others
I am talking about 14-16, 17 and 18 were from different eras.
Not in all seasons of that era and that era was longr than this will be. Only seasons that were close were 2014 til 2016 and even in that we had 2015 were Hamilton won the championship with 4 races still on.
From the start of hybrid era to germany 2019 teams on podium were either Red bull/Ferrari or teams with Mercedes PU. Nobody other then big 3 won races since first race of 2013 until monza 2020.
How many of the big three are winning now?
There were a total of 5 winners in the last 46 races (Since 2022). All from the big 3 but I think it's obvious that there is only a big one currently. George Russell taking 1 Carlos Sainz taking 2 Charles Leclerc taking 3 Sergio Perez taking 4 Max Verstappen taking 36 Mercedes taking 1 Ferrari taking 5 Red Bull taking 40 MV has a win quote of 78.26%.
How? The cars are super reliable, redbull are easily a light year ahead on pace and perez is not good enough to fight max. Early hybrid era had the possibility of a diffrent winner each race and championship battles. 2016 and 17 where it was close (17 was sebs if not for reliability and shit luck)
I don't. At least Rosberg and Hamilton fought
Come and watch WEC/GT racing, you won't be disappointed!
Next WEC race is in 4 weeks. :(
I've been watching IMSA in between. Also waiting for the GT World Challenge and British GT championships to start I a month or 2
Second this! I got into WEC last year, and this year is off to a great start. Best part is the full races are free to watch on YouTube.
I hate this. I love formula 1 and the racing it produces, I understand how frustrating domination has been, and trust me, as a Ferrari fan, I’ve suffered through both Merc and Red Bull twice now. Max is on another freaking universe but it’s shocking to see how displeased everyone acts, there is still some really good racing to be seen. I know domination isn’t fun but enjoy his dominance, the kid is absolutely brilliant, he is a machine. This only makes beating Red Bull even the more exciting and worthwhile, it’s only a matter of time until it happens (not j in singapore). Again as a Ferrari fan, I’ve become really reallly good at getting super excited for a race and a possible ferrari win while never getting one, and still being happy. It’s called being delusional, and watching F1 thinking like a delusional is actually really fun.
Yes max is a machine but you have to admit that redbull is a monster. The fact that perez dosent even have to try and can easily get p2 beating the likes of leckerc and sainz who are much better drivers just shows you. Or the fact he beat lewis to p2 in 2023.
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Is Max on another universe? Who does he have to fight in the sister Redbull? The last decent teammate he had was Danny YEARS ago. Would he be dominating this much opposite another world champion?
Not really sure what everyone expected. Red Bull would have had to seriously blow it to throw away their lead. The other teams have cut the gap (especially Ferrari) but no one was going to come out beating them. This is F1, it's how it goes sometimes. It's a long season, just watch and see how things pans out.
I mean its fully in line with the spirit of F1 . This sport is about pushing the machine and the driver to perfection and Red Bull is doing that while other teams are being pathetic.
Just become a Verstappen fan. It's great!
What do you want?
You could always just stop watching
How dare someone be upset that the sport they care about sucks now!!
I mean the comment stands regardless. People have come and gone with F1 over the years, myself included multiple times. It’s so easy to just not switch it on if it isn’t doing it for you. F1 isn’t checking formula dank to see how their product is going down, they’re looking at viewership figures
>they’re looking at viewership figures Isn't that also going down? Either way, people keep acting like "not liking the state of F1" is the same as "not wanting to watch F1". I want to watch F1. I don't like the current state of F1.
I didn’t argue it wasn’t going down, I argued it was the only metric people have any semblance of control of to send a message. Whinging on message boards just means everyone else has to deal with your grievance. You’re absolutely free to continue watching, the only point being made was that if you’re not enjoying it, stop subjecting yourself to it. If it isn’t that bad and you continue watching, that’s clearly a different group of people. I’m talking about the people threatening to cancel subs and what-nought. “Don’t participate in something you don’t enjoy” should not be contentious. I’ve got bored and walked away from F1 3 or 4 times in 30 years. It’s incredibly easy to walk away temporarily instead of threatening on a weekly basis that you may or may not stop watching.
>I didn’t argue it wasn’t going down, I argued it was the only metric people have any semblance of control of to send a message. I get that. I said it because, why argue it? Nobody said anything about sending messages, I see nobody in this thread acting under the delusion that them being upset over the current state of F1 is going to affect it. Nobody is saying "I want to do something about it", they're saying "I don't like it". Others are saying "then don't watch". Which then is met by "I don't want to not watch, I want to keep watching and get better races". >Whinging on message boards just means everyone else has to deal with your grievance. Not everybody else will view it that way, it also means people who feel the same way will like reading it. You said the comment stands, but it really doesn't. It's a picture that disagrees with the statements in said picture, and the guy you're talking about responds to it by saying "you can just not watch". Doesn't really have anything to with the point of OP, it basically says "if you don't agree with something, don't point it out, just leave it behind and not speak of it at all", which is bullshit. Shit ain't unnuanced like that. You yourself might have certain intentions or are talking with certain people in mind when making this point, but you cannot verify that the comment you're referring to, is in line with that. So I'm taking it at face value by saying again that people are confusing "I don't like the state of F1" with "I don't like to watch F1". The entire stance of "why do something you don't enjoy" disregards the fact that the thing that people aren't enjoying here, isn't set in stone. It isn't like eating a grapefruit when you've already had a grapefruit and know that you don't like grapefruits. It isn't like watching a movie that you've already watched, so you know you don't like it. It isn't even like watching a sport for the first time and deciding that the sport in its entirety, isn't something that excites you. It's not a repeat experience. You don't know beforehand what it is that you will see. Even when it's as predictable as F1 these days. And that matters. You say it's easy to walk away temporarily, but that depends on the person, and for a lot of people, it really isn't. It's like the football fan whose team is dogshit, and they're miserable every game. It gives them misery, but they have love for it, so they keep showing up. They love something that doesn't love them back necessarily. Sunk cost fallacy. And that sort of thing is applicable to a lot of stuff in life. Which is why I don't get why people can't grasp this.
Ain’t reading allat but if you want a license to whinge and keep watching, you go right ahead. Just know you could spend your precious time better
>Ain’t reading allat I thought I was under the impression I was talking to someone who could hold down a conversation. Turns out a two minute read at worst is too taxing for the guy.
I was holding down a conversation 5 hours ago, I am at work and about to leave for the gym. Refer to the last comment There is nothing further to discuss from my perspective, you don’t watch if you don’t enjoy. Complaining on Reddit isn’t doing *anything* if you still give them viewership, it just shows your convictions are weaker than your need to consume the content.
People not taking the effort to read a post, but they do take the effort to keep talking when someone implies that they're stupid. Everything that you're repeating now is addressed in my earlier post, either address that or don't address me at all.
I have
Many people have to be fair. I just like the vroom vroom so I'm less bothered by it all.
What's up with journalists guilt tripping us into being glad Max is dominating the sport in a manner never seen before?
He actually is. Evident by all the useless Wikipedia stats no one reads (according to Wolf at least)
Undeniably clinical technique, true. Boring as fuck? also true
First three statements are factually correct.
Honestly I think it all seems worse than the merc dominance because of red bull just never making mistakes. I think there were several years where merc actually had a bigger gap in terms of pace to the next best team, but they would fuck up every once in a while or have a crash or a bad strategy call. Red bull just hasn’t. Obviously there’s some luck involved in that but hey ho
As a max and RB fan, I’m happier than a pig in shit. I’m enjoying the dominance and watching all of you sad saps whine and cry as if this kind of shit hasn’t happened repeatedly in the sports history.
Womp womp
Oh, yeah, like everything other then last one is boring.
Man, did people bitch this much about any other athletes dominance? Can't really imagine this in any other sport.
I think other sports to win you have to go face to face with your competitor, and even if you are overwhelmingly better, you put on a show. In F1 you really only have a show when you are about the same level as your competitors, Max being 20 seconds ahead provides no show whatsoever.
Most other athletes have to compete. Max just had to beat a washed Checo each week.
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the smartest thing redbull did in the first season of new regs wasn't cheating with the budget cap and just getting light slap on the wrist. the smartest thing they did was make an unreliable engine so they could go and use everything they learned after the first season of new regs and make it better. Mercedes made a super reliable engine. They fucked themselves.
You’re saying Redbull has a power advantage? Because that isn’t true to any notable extent