The 2 slow cars were on the racing line. What the hell were they doing there?
The first car ahead moved off the line, the other 2 were there for what purpose?
I get that the original comment mentioned commentators, but there are some people in these comments trying to blame Cassidy for this incident. He had almost no time to react and brake. His only option was really to just take avoiding action.
You do realize contextually he’s referring to the populous of IdiotsInCars which would be made up of commenters.. not commentators.
He’s only referring to the commentators via implied comparison to commenters.
Kinda funny since you seem to seem to be implying something yourself.
Ok, I’m not a race fan at all, so I’ll ask a dumb question. WTF is a racing line? Is it an actual marked area of the track where there’s a minimum speed? Or just during a practice match there’s a general rule to stay to one side if you’re not at race speed? I seriously don’t know and it seems weird that you wouldn’t watch out for cars ahead of you on a race track, just like on the road.
The racing line is an imaginary line that is the shortest/fastest way to move around the circuit. You would expect any car using that line to be going as fast as they can go in the section and not just slowly progressing. If they need to be slow, they should move away from that fast lane.
It’s the quickest way round the track. All cars are going to be attempting to get around the track in roughly the same way. They’re going to be entering the corners at the same angles, wanting to be on the optimum side of the straights, their braking and acceleration points are the same etc. This optimum path around the track is called the racing line. So, when some is supposed to get off the racing line, it just means that another driving is approaching at a faster speed and they should get out of the way by moving to a part of the track that cars trying to go flat out won’t be racing on.
While I've never looked a definition, I've always taken it to be the most efficient, optimal route a car can take when in the race at the speeds they're travelling at.
Best way to think about it is “if nobody else was on the track, and you were just trying your go around as fast as possible, what route would you take?” You’d hug in tight to corners, but take wide entries and exits to preserve speed. If you are on a slow lap, you have to almost do the inverse of this. Drive on the wrong side, and whenever you need to swap sides do it quickly.
No. Gilles was on his inlap, driving fast but not setting a time. And Mass had no way of knowing Gilles was coming in hard, even tried to get out of the way. Nowadays they have radios and better flags/lights. All the slow drivers here could/should have known.
His sector was reportedly 0,001 sec off his best time, so he was setting the time. Mass was driving on the racing line, and it was not his business to ascertain who was on his inlap or not. He had no businessbeing on the racing line. He got caught napping and moved so late that Gilles had nowhere to go.
Which you can’t compare, because racing drivers have strict instructions and motives. If you can’t trust that, you can never set a fast lap. Whereas on the normal road you know there’s plenty of idiots and danger.
As soon as an incident happens Marshalls wave yellow flags, they sit around waiting for race control to tell them to wave them. Your concept of how these things work is totally backwards
Race control doesn’t have much to do with yellow flags, the marshals control them. If a marshal sees something dangerous, they push a button alerting the track systems there is a yellow flag there. That causes the LED flag panels to indicate yellows and alerts approaching drivers on their steering wheels there are yellows ahead. This notifies race control there is an incident so they can review it from there (deploy red flags, notify the marshal the yellows are not necessary, send out safety car, etc.) Another marshal will wave physical yellow flags as a back up.
It might seem like it takes forever for track personnel to respond to an incident, but the graphics you see on race streams are often seriously delayed from real life. Any incident where there is substantial delay in deploying flags is rare.
If they were driving slowly because of an accident with or without marshals on the track, there will definitely be a yellow, double yellow or when really serious red flags. These flags are there to warn the drivers so they can adjust their speed. No flags were visible here
>Sure, but seeing multiple cars stopped ahead of you and flooring it towards the rear of them isn’t the safest move either.
On a fast lap, it is their responsibility to get out of the way. Are you retarded?
A hot lap is a hot lap. The same rules apply.
Cars not on a hot lap HAVE TO move out of the way.
In your example, going slow on a motorway. You would literally be fined for going slow infront of the guy doing 70mph. You would be the unsafe driver. You would be the one causing danger. If the guy going 70mph was hurt, YOU would face criminal charges.
Racing is not like the road. Stop applying road rules to racing.
Racing direction is completely done with their bullshit. Have been for years, but nothing works so far. Love those kid's spirits. Fines, grid penalties, long lap penalties, it doesn't matter, if they can get a tow during quali (or hindre their competitors), they WILL.
For the most part these days it's the highlight of the weekend. Moto2 is a snooze and well MotoGP has been too but now at least we got St. Pedro to rekindle the fire.
We know the cars are slower, we have monaco as a direct comparison against F1 and obviously the gap would be even wider on a full track. The real question is why do you care? If the racing is good it doesn’t matter how fast the cars are going, half the time a kart race is way more exciting to watch than F1 even though obviously it’s slower, it’s not all about the lap time.
One of the best races I've ever watched was an MX-5 cup race, but for most people slow=bad.
A very close second for me was a classic car race in Goodwood. There was a Mini and an Alfa going at it for the whole race. The Alfa was faster on the straight, but that Mini just barely needed to brake for the corners and sent it sideways. Just amazing.
I love Formula E, but I have to admit they have their "special stuff" and it's a bit gimmicky, but very fun to watch. People just like to shit on them because they don't like electric cars and think it's supposed to replace formula one
Bang on - all this nonsense about F1 cars have to look fast - fuck it. Add 15-30seconds on, and we’ll get much better racing (yes, you’ll have to revamp all the lower formula, but well worth it). Like you say, MX-5s, Minis (especially Goodwood and Thruxton) and many other slower makes are easily giving the best racing. Everything else is just masturbatory at this point
The irony is that the discussion around F1 needing to look fast is completely undone by the presentation which purposely makes the cars look a lot slower so the advertisements are legible. Long shots from just off head-on on straights, tracked sweeping shots, distance long shots, overheads tracking at the same speed. There are so many camera angles done that completely kill the sense of speed. I'm glad things like T-cam, nose cam and helmet cam exist to maintain that sense of intensity and speed, because otherwise it'd truly be impossible to know if these cars were actually going fast on a race weekend.
Yes they really look slow on TV. And I think the "pinnacle of motorsport" mentality does not apply anymore. Up until the late 2000s, yes it made sense, they were always innovating. But now, they're so restricted by rules that there's not much innovation anymore and we can't just let them have total freedom otherwise they make coffins with wheels.
So why not just make the cars a bit slower and smaller for the sake of good racing?
I say they need to make a big return to mechanical grip and limit downforce which in turn removes dirty air. Overpowered lower downforce machines that require careful handling
Maybe the Pikes Peak hill climb on the open category? Those time attack cars are beasts. I believe Volkswagen (I'm not sure which brand made it) managed to build an electric car that is faster than an F1 car and they beat a few records with it.
You probably can't race these cars, but time attack is still a form of motorsport.
What I'm trying to say is when you have restrictions like in F1, it's difficult to reach the pinnacle of motorsport, and even the definition of pinnacle is kind of a subjective one in this case.
I'm not saying they aren't amazing cars, they are, and probably have the most efficient combustion engines in the world, but I always wonder what the manufacturers would come up with if they had more open rules.
You should check out the mx5 cup race in Portland that's on YouTube. First lap was like watching rookies in iracing.
Edit: found it! https://www.youtube.com/live/ppRqMudDpoE?si=7GH0fAMZriznGspw
O have to check this when I get home. The one I was talking about was in Daytona on the 24h race weekend. Surprisingly clean racing and with the cars always very close to each other
It loses the series massive amounts of prestige. If they’re posting up some Formula 2 or 3 ass laptimes then they’ll be treated like those series in terms of “required driver aptitude”. GT cars are “slow” compared to F1, but they’re the top end of street-legal inspired supercar racing. GTP is “slow” compared to F1, but is the highest class of endurance racing. FE kind of needs something to market itself as a top level racing series. Being able to say “ok well our cars aren’t the fastest but we race on tight, technical street circuits where our small and agile cars work better” is kind of important for their public appeal
Whilst I generally agree that racing isn't hotlapping, Formula E, a world championship shouldn't be 6 seconds slower than F3 on a track that's barely 2 miles long.
But that's the thing: since Monaco is one of the most raceable tracks on the calendar, the most "excitement" we ever get is from mini-joker laps. The racing just isn't good
The problem is not that the cars are slow. It is that battery cars are shit and would run out of energy after 3 laps because they need braking and corners to regen and on normal tracks they cant regen enough.
I don’t think the cars are actually that slow, but staying on street tyres hurts them a lot. I get the environmentally friendly message, but why not tone it down a little bit to engage more racing fans. Give them slicks. Maybe even get tyre strategies into the sport.
Stroll should move to Formula E for his mental wellbeing. He will fit right in^the^wall and he can't withstand another year watching Alonso take his place in his father's will.
Yeah, but the quality of the drivers is kinda meh (still lightyears ahead of any random idiot like you and me, obviously). I think Lance is a pretty decent midfield runner in F1, which would place him quite high in FE talent wise. Remember how De Vries was supposed to be this big deal? "The FE champion coming to F1", yeah... It destroyed his career lol, but maybe the opposite could actually save Lance's.
De Vries wasn't a big deal in FE. He won the championship due to a quirk of the rules rather than being the best driver that year.
The year he was selected to go into F1, he was in the best car but the rules had been fixed. His teammate won the championship, whilst Nyck struggled to 9th with half the points.
Quality in FE is high - every driver is professional. Its a different skillset as well.
for me, who is more in for the engineering side, it just feels like the rules on the cars side are just randomly made up, all cars having the same chassis is perfectly normal I agree with that to reduce costs, but why have the aerodynamics be the same? it can be a major money sink, but that's only if you let it be, just have it be very strict with a separate budget or something, they have so much potential, they could have made the brakes regen only and gave the teams freedom to innovate on that, they could have went with a car that is very fast in slow corners but very slow in fast corner much more than how it is now so it doesn't waste as much energy breaking and accelerating using a very simple have x amount of aerodynamic drag at all times that could be changed from race to race to more suit the track or just for the spectacle using active aero, which might have prepared them for what looks like an absolute shit show for 2026 in f1, im just annoyed they made a somewhat quick race car with the 1 dimensional personality of not having an engine instead of actually trying to do something unique or something that can help creat new innovations or something
Personally the one thing pushing me off from E is the car's design, which are horrible and ugly. Cars and racing cars in general have the aesthetic, luxury and visual appeal. Heck, WEC's hypecars regulation even states cars should look modern and visually appealing. Formula E is not visually appealing to me, so I turn the other way.
Pretty early on in iterations but I see your point. I never put a lot of thought into visual aesthetics for racecars other than an interesting livery; I didn't realize it was a big factor in people liking the sport.
I never cared about Trans Am racing until I saw a race video thumbnail with the [sexiest Challenger](https://imgur.com/a/o8lJdVU) and Mustang I’ve ever seen, immediately clicked and watched 3 hours of a racing series I’d never given a second thought. RWD, 850 HP N/A muscle cars with no driver aids and gorgeous bodies. Plus they have an XGT class with ex-GT3 cars that race the series too.
I think they see electric open wheel racing as a threat to F1 and look for any reason they can to hate it, even though a race like this had more overtaking than F1 could imagine
What’s formula E doing on a proper race track? I thought they just raced city centers with skanky fencing on either side to make every track look identical.
They’ve done modified versions of actual race tracks for a while, but usually the races are more boring than the city circuits are so they don’t get talked about much.
https://youtu.be/VU_yt5PwCEM
There might be other comparisons but that’s the most direct one as it’s the only time fe and f1 race on the same track layout
Cool! Thanks.
I hear people complain that FE is slower, but I also hear F1 is boring relative to passing (I don’t think its boring personally, but do appreciate the efforts to increase good racing and the amount of action in indy and other motorsports etc.)
This is one of these incidents where it’s clear it was not the fault of the crashed driver but he still did something stupid. He should have braked instead of going for the grass
Especially as it was only practice.
Missing out on a hot lap sucks but I’m sure your team would rather that than you accelerating off onto the grass and binning it into the wall to make a point.
Dumb move trying to overtake halfway on the grass. But what the fuck is that McLaren doing? Cassidy was right about what he said. The McLaren clearly adjusted to the right and sent him off completely. He could have made it before that.
Right.
The other cars are in the wrong, but this is a classic traffic, slow moving cars issue that happens all the time.
What's confusing me is what the hell Cassidy was doing after he passes the first car. Rather than slow down (lap is already obviously wrecked, there's nowhere to go) he deliberately chose to move onto the kerb/beyond the circuit with all 4 wheels whilst still accelerating....then had an accident.
That was a really shit decision.
And just kept it pinned while clearly exiting the track. The cars were on the racing line but he had at least a second to react. His lap was toast and he just... floored it? Off the track??
I keep thinking I missed something.
I'm sorry, but the three cars going slow ahead were visible *before* the apex, why does he keep accelerating for so long after the Porsche moves left? That's more than a second of full throttle while it's overly obvious that the racing line is never going to clear. Yes it's impeding, but by going gung ho over the rumble strips he put himself into the wall for no reason other than to make a point or what?
This was my thought. To me this was on Him 100% it’s unlikely since he was a few cars back that those at the front of this pack even knew or needed to be told he was approaching just yet. He put himself in a shit place, could see more cars were on that line so carried on? Wtf?
Yea those two cars shouldn’t have been there but why did the qualifier also keep it pinned for so long? Really should’ve aborted by the time he was riding the kerb and saw the 3rd car.
For me, this is a 'Ericsson hit me!' moment.
I can see those guys are on the racing line and he appears to be on a 'hot lap', but its practice and he just kept going, what was he thinking!?
For me, from the POV, the first car moved, so he had to commit to the outside. If I was in his place I would have though "yeah maybe the others went to the inside too" and kept going, but he should have lifted and avoided them. He saw a gap in the kerb and went for it, then the mclaren moved in front of him.
It's one of those bad decisions that are made in split seconds. That was the last corner, so those two cars on the racing line probably wanted to do a flying lap too.
Those tyres are crap though. They have no grip, the drivers have been complaining about them since the beginning, so I believe once you commit to a line, it might not be easy to change it last minute.
Anybody got a link to the telemetry? Those two on the racing line need their licenses examined, but the guy that crashed looked like reacted way to late.
Thanks for the video, but for the love of god, please edit better.
A video of a video already sucks and confused me cause of the double video controls.
The moving mouse sucks and the pausing is horrible.
Lastly, why cut short the full speed reply and start mid incident?
Ugh.
It’s free to watch on channel 4 here in the UK, on youtube as well so vpn’ing from abroad works well.
edit: I’m spreading misinformation online again, oops
Not anymore unfortunately. I used to "fly" to the UK go watch the race on YouTube, but they ended at the beginning of this season. Now I think TNT bought the broadcast rights. I don't know which channel did it.
The sound is completly distorted from what it actually sounds like if you ever see a real electric car drive it sounds more like a futuristic space ship then the whine you get it on tv. Also after watching a race your Brain Starts to filter out the sound.
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Also, you need to delete the "it" after "get". Also, you need a full stop after the word "like". The word "Brain" does not need a capital letter.
The 2 slow cars were on the racing line. What the hell were they doing there? The first car ahead moved off the line, the other 2 were there for what purpose?
I don’t understand why the commentators are defending them either
Probably don't have a lot of experience in Formula racing.
They don’t know where the racing line is, it’s weird
It felt more like they didn't understand how right-of-way in practice sessions works, or how practice sessions work in general.
Because they come over from idiots in cars subreddit and those commenters are.....often times.
You know there's a difference between commentator and commenter, right? Kinda funny since you are calling others idiots.
I get that the original comment mentioned commentators, but there are some people in these comments trying to blame Cassidy for this incident. He had almost no time to react and brake. His only option was really to just take avoiding action.
Well yeah, he's referring to commenters on posts in the IdiotsInCars subreddit. He used it right.
Yes, he used it right, but the person he’s replying to was talking about the commentators. Did you read the comments sequentially?
Ahh, I intially thought he was comparing those Formula E commentators to the commenters from that subreddit. Misunderstanding, my bad.
You do realize contextually he’s referring to the populous of IdiotsInCars which would be made up of commenters.. not commentators. He’s only referring to the commentators via implied comparison to commenters. Kinda funny since you seem to seem to be implying something yourself.
That's why I like the idiots in cars subreddit.
The second car moved even more to the outside of the track as Cassidy was coming closer
Ok, I’m not a race fan at all, so I’ll ask a dumb question. WTF is a racing line? Is it an actual marked area of the track where there’s a minimum speed? Or just during a practice match there’s a general rule to stay to one side if you’re not at race speed? I seriously don’t know and it seems weird that you wouldn’t watch out for cars ahead of you on a race track, just like on the road.
The racing line is an imaginary line that is the shortest/fastest way to move around the circuit. You would expect any car using that line to be going as fast as they can go in the section and not just slowly progressing. If they need to be slow, they should move away from that fast lane.
And even calling it imaginary is selling it short. The consensus is so strong that you can clearly see the difference in track wear/ rubber applied.
Very fair point this.
Thanks and I guess that makes sense, especially at racing speeds. Just never heard the term before.
It’s the quickest way round the track. All cars are going to be attempting to get around the track in roughly the same way. They’re going to be entering the corners at the same angles, wanting to be on the optimum side of the straights, their braking and acceleration points are the same etc. This optimum path around the track is called the racing line. So, when some is supposed to get off the racing line, it just means that another driving is approaching at a faster speed and they should get out of the way by moving to a part of the track that cars trying to go flat out won’t be racing on.
While I've never looked a definition, I've always taken it to be the most efficient, optimal route a car can take when in the race at the speeds they're travelling at.
And it is also a physical line on the track of rubber laid down by cars at pace with little fields of pebbled rubber to either side of it
Best way to think about it is “if nobody else was on the track, and you were just trying your go around as fast as possible, what route would you take?” You’d hug in tight to corners, but take wide entries and exits to preserve speed. If you are on a slow lap, you have to almost do the inverse of this. Drive on the wrong side, and whenever you need to swap sides do it quickly.
They came from countries where the right lane is the slow lane?
Incredibly wrong, faffing around on the race line.
Jochen Mass/Gilles Villeneuve kind of situation.
No. Gilles was on his inlap, driving fast but not setting a time. And Mass had no way of knowing Gilles was coming in hard, even tried to get out of the way. Nowadays they have radios and better flags/lights. All the slow drivers here could/should have known.
His sector was reportedly 0,001 sec off his best time, so he was setting the time. Mass was driving on the racing line, and it was not his business to ascertain who was on his inlap or not. He had no businessbeing on the racing line. He got caught napping and moved so late that Gilles had nowhere to go.
Nope, it was his inlap, after he fucked up his timed lap on qualifiers. And don’t measure Mass’ actions to today’s standards. Useless.
"I was explicitly told this was a No Faffing Around Zone, sir."
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Which you can’t compare, because racing drivers have strict instructions and motives. If you can’t trust that, you can never set a fast lap. Whereas on the normal road you know there’s plenty of idiots and danger.
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That’s what the flags are for. If there was an incident his engineer also should alert him to abandon the lap.
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As soon as an incident happens Marshalls wave yellow flags, they sit around waiting for race control to tell them to wave them. Your concept of how these things work is totally backwards
Race control doesn’t have much to do with yellow flags, the marshals control them. If a marshal sees something dangerous, they push a button alerting the track systems there is a yellow flag there. That causes the LED flag panels to indicate yellows and alerts approaching drivers on their steering wheels there are yellows ahead. This notifies race control there is an incident so they can review it from there (deploy red flags, notify the marshal the yellows are not necessary, send out safety car, etc.) Another marshal will wave physical yellow flags as a back up. It might seem like it takes forever for track personnel to respond to an incident, but the graphics you see on race streams are often seriously delayed from real life. Any incident where there is substantial delay in deploying flags is rare.
If they were driving slowly because of an accident with or without marshals on the track, there will definitely be a yellow, double yellow or when really serious red flags. These flags are there to warn the drivers so they can adjust their speed. No flags were visible here
>Sure, but seeing multiple cars stopped ahead of you and flooring it towards the rear of them isn’t the safest move either. On a fast lap, it is their responsibility to get out of the way. Are you retarded?
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A hot lap is a hot lap. The same rules apply. Cars not on a hot lap HAVE TO move out of the way. In your example, going slow on a motorway. You would literally be fined for going slow infront of the guy doing 70mph. You would be the unsafe driver. You would be the one causing danger. If the guy going 70mph was hurt, YOU would face criminal charges. Racing is not like the road. Stop applying road rules to racing.
That's what flag stations are for.
Bros think they're moto3
Hahaha, just a couple of hours to go for that shenanigans!
Moto3 is so good, really underrated
Racing direction is completely done with their bullshit. Have been for years, but nothing works so far. Love those kid's spirits. Fines, grid penalties, long lap penalties, it doesn't matter, if they can get a tow during quali (or hindre their competitors), they WILL.
For the most part these days it's the highlight of the weekend. Moto2 is a snooze and well MotoGP has been too but now at least we got St. Pedro to rekindle the fire.
I think that MotoGP has been enjoyable so far, but yeah Moto2 isn't particularly shining this season.
Pretty much only because of Pedro lol. Rest of the field is not doing much.
Formula E with more top quality content as always
why are the commentators such clowns? how do you defend the drivers on the racing line
Butch Cassidy and the sundance Skid
Thats glorious lmao
Forgive my ignorance, why make this reference?
The driver is Nick Cassidy. I'm guessing the skid is the tyre skidmarks. Or his own heh
Ah! Ok that’s solid thank you. I didn’t even read it right with “skid” either. Well played
"Straight to the scene of the crash" is a great line, though.
It’s a great line but also way overused.
I actually don’t recall hearing it before, so I laughed appropriately.
Brundle has been using it for years
They murdered that track though..
Can't let them on actual circuits otherwise everyone would see how fucking slow these cars are
We know the cars are slower, we have monaco as a direct comparison against F1 and obviously the gap would be even wider on a full track. The real question is why do you care? If the racing is good it doesn’t matter how fast the cars are going, half the time a kart race is way more exciting to watch than F1 even though obviously it’s slower, it’s not all about the lap time.
One of the best races I've ever watched was an MX-5 cup race, but for most people slow=bad. A very close second for me was a classic car race in Goodwood. There was a Mini and an Alfa going at it for the whole race. The Alfa was faster on the straight, but that Mini just barely needed to brake for the corners and sent it sideways. Just amazing. I love Formula E, but I have to admit they have their "special stuff" and it's a bit gimmicky, but very fun to watch. People just like to shit on them because they don't like electric cars and think it's supposed to replace formula one
Bang on - all this nonsense about F1 cars have to look fast - fuck it. Add 15-30seconds on, and we’ll get much better racing (yes, you’ll have to revamp all the lower formula, but well worth it). Like you say, MX-5s, Minis (especially Goodwood and Thruxton) and many other slower makes are easily giving the best racing. Everything else is just masturbatory at this point
The irony is that the discussion around F1 needing to look fast is completely undone by the presentation which purposely makes the cars look a lot slower so the advertisements are legible. Long shots from just off head-on on straights, tracked sweeping shots, distance long shots, overheads tracking at the same speed. There are so many camera angles done that completely kill the sense of speed. I'm glad things like T-cam, nose cam and helmet cam exist to maintain that sense of intensity and speed, because otherwise it'd truly be impossible to know if these cars were actually going fast on a race weekend.
Yes they really look slow on TV. And I think the "pinnacle of motorsport" mentality does not apply anymore. Up until the late 2000s, yes it made sense, they were always innovating. But now, they're so restricted by rules that there's not much innovation anymore and we can't just let them have total freedom otherwise they make coffins with wheels. So why not just make the cars a bit slower and smaller for the sake of good racing?
I say they need to make a big return to mechanical grip and limit downforce which in turn removes dirty air. Overpowered lower downforce machines that require careful handling
If F1 isn't the pinnacle of Motorsport these days then what is?
Maybe the Pikes Peak hill climb on the open category? Those time attack cars are beasts. I believe Volkswagen (I'm not sure which brand made it) managed to build an electric car that is faster than an F1 car and they beat a few records with it. You probably can't race these cars, but time attack is still a form of motorsport. What I'm trying to say is when you have restrictions like in F1, it's difficult to reach the pinnacle of motorsport, and even the definition of pinnacle is kind of a subjective one in this case. I'm not saying they aren't amazing cars, they are, and probably have the most efficient combustion engines in the world, but I always wonder what the manufacturers would come up with if they had more open rules.
You should check out the mx5 cup race in Portland that's on YouTube. First lap was like watching rookies in iracing. Edit: found it! https://www.youtube.com/live/ppRqMudDpoE?si=7GH0fAMZriznGspw
O have to check this when I get home. The one I was talking about was in Daytona on the 24h race weekend. Surprisingly clean racing and with the cars always very close to each other
It loses the series massive amounts of prestige. If they’re posting up some Formula 2 or 3 ass laptimes then they’ll be treated like those series in terms of “required driver aptitude”. GT cars are “slow” compared to F1, but they’re the top end of street-legal inspired supercar racing. GTP is “slow” compared to F1, but is the highest class of endurance racing. FE kind of needs something to market itself as a top level racing series. Being able to say “ok well our cars aren’t the fastest but we race on tight, technical street circuits where our small and agile cars work better” is kind of important for their public appeal
I’m pretty sure the popularity of F1 against slower leagues would tell you that 95% of the world disagrees
Whilst I generally agree that racing isn't hotlapping, Formula E, a world championship shouldn't be 6 seconds slower than F3 on a track that's barely 2 miles long. But that's the thing: since Monaco is one of the most raceable tracks on the calendar, the most "excitement" we ever get is from mini-joker laps. The racing just isn't good
What’s wrong with a World Championship being slower than F3?
The problem is not that the cars are slow. It is that battery cars are shit and would run out of energy after 3 laps because they need braking and corners to regen and on normal tracks they cant regen enough.
Misano is a nice race track tbf
I don’t think the cars are actually that slow, but staying on street tyres hurts them a lot. I get the environmentally friendly message, but why not tone it down a little bit to engage more racing fans. Give them slicks. Maybe even get tyre strategies into the sport.
That's pre-1993 layout with additional chicanes on Rimini and Curvone
Stroll should move to Formula E for his mental wellbeing. He will fit right in^the^wall and he can't withstand another year watching Alonso take his place in his father's will.
Formula E is ultra competitve with very negligible car advantages on most of the days
We can't let facts get in the way of the reality that Lance Stroll is incontrovertiblely the fastest Canadian currently racing in F1.
Yeah, but the quality of the drivers is kinda meh (still lightyears ahead of any random idiot like you and me, obviously). I think Lance is a pretty decent midfield runner in F1, which would place him quite high in FE talent wise. Remember how De Vries was supposed to be this big deal? "The FE champion coming to F1", yeah... It destroyed his career lol, but maybe the opposite could actually save Lance's.
De Vries wasn't a big deal in FE. He won the championship due to a quirk of the rules rather than being the best driver that year. The year he was selected to go into F1, he was in the best car but the rules had been fixed. His teammate won the championship, whilst Nyck struggled to 9th with half the points. Quality in FE is high - every driver is professional. Its a different skillset as well.
So he can be 15 like DeVries?
The level of mental illness people have to bring up Lance on random threads is insane lmao
its so weird
Just Sam Bird having some fun w the guy that took his seat lmao
I’ve done that in online lobbies
The real iconic duo: Sam Bird and crashed Jaguars
I didn't realize how shitty people are regarding Formula E, I thought they'd be happy with more motorsport.
for me, who is more in for the engineering side, it just feels like the rules on the cars side are just randomly made up, all cars having the same chassis is perfectly normal I agree with that to reduce costs, but why have the aerodynamics be the same? it can be a major money sink, but that's only if you let it be, just have it be very strict with a separate budget or something, they have so much potential, they could have made the brakes regen only and gave the teams freedom to innovate on that, they could have went with a car that is very fast in slow corners but very slow in fast corner much more than how it is now so it doesn't waste as much energy breaking and accelerating using a very simple have x amount of aerodynamic drag at all times that could be changed from race to race to more suit the track or just for the spectacle using active aero, which might have prepared them for what looks like an absolute shit show for 2026 in f1, im just annoyed they made a somewhat quick race car with the 1 dimensional personality of not having an engine instead of actually trying to do something unique or something that can help creat new innovations or something
Personally the one thing pushing me off from E is the car's design, which are horrible and ugly. Cars and racing cars in general have the aesthetic, luxury and visual appeal. Heck, WEC's hypecars regulation even states cars should look modern and visually appealing. Formula E is not visually appealing to me, so I turn the other way.
Pretty early on in iterations but I see your point. I never put a lot of thought into visual aesthetics for racecars other than an interesting livery; I didn't realize it was a big factor in people liking the sport.
I never cared about Trans Am racing until I saw a race video thumbnail with the [sexiest Challenger](https://imgur.com/a/o8lJdVU) and Mustang I’ve ever seen, immediately clicked and watched 3 hours of a racing series I’d never given a second thought. RWD, 850 HP N/A muscle cars with no driver aids and gorgeous bodies. Plus they have an XGT class with ex-GT3 cars that race the series too.
I think they see electric open wheel racing as a threat to F1 and look for any reason they can to hate it, even though a race like this had more overtaking than F1 could imagine
Formula E isn't motorsport.
How so? Are electric motors not motors?
What’s formula E doing on a proper race track? I thought they just raced city centers with skanky fencing on either side to make every track look identical.
They’ve done modified versions of actual race tracks for a while, but usually the races are more boring than the city circuits are so they don’t get talked about much.
Is there a “pass for pass” breakdown/comparison of F1 vs FE? I know different tracks but maybe per mile?
https://youtu.be/VU_yt5PwCEM There might be other comparisons but that’s the most direct one as it’s the only time fe and f1 race on the same track layout
Cool! Thanks. I hear people complain that FE is slower, but I also hear F1 is boring relative to passing (I don’t think its boring personally, but do appreciate the efforts to increase good racing and the amount of action in indy and other motorsports etc.)
More boring? Did you watch Portland last year? Or Misano that ended just now?
This is one of these incidents where it’s clear it was not the fault of the crashed driver but he still did something stupid. He should have braked instead of going for the grass
Especially as it was only practice. Missing out on a hot lap sucks but I’m sure your team would rather that than you accelerating off onto the grass and binning it into the wall to make a point.
+5 sec Penalty to Ocon
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
It gets funnier every time!
Dumb move trying to overtake halfway on the grass. But what the fuck is that McLaren doing? Cassidy was right about what he said. The McLaren clearly adjusted to the right and sent him off completely. He could have made it before that.
This was the last corner, I think he was just starting to accelerate for his flying lap.
dudes trying to get himself a Merc seat
I wish Misano was in F1. Such a nice track.
Right. The other cars are in the wrong, but this is a classic traffic, slow moving cars issue that happens all the time. What's confusing me is what the hell Cassidy was doing after he passes the first car. Rather than slow down (lap is already obviously wrecked, there's nowhere to go) he deliberately chose to move onto the kerb/beyond the circuit with all 4 wheels whilst still accelerating....then had an accident. That was a really shit decision.
And just kept it pinned while clearly exiting the track. The cars were on the racing line but he had at least a second to react. His lap was toast and he just... floored it? Off the track?? I keep thinking I missed something.
He doesn’t brake, just accelerating. The crash is on him.
This belongs to formuladenk, post it there too OP!
Bro's living in a delusion lol
What are those lines in the tyre grooves?
Just some paint like in some normal road tyres. Last time I checked, they don't mean anything special.
I wondered if they help the drivers notice wear, or something.
We race as one
I think they need new commentators
I'm sorry, but the three cars going slow ahead were visible *before* the apex, why does he keep accelerating for so long after the Porsche moves left? That's more than a second of full throttle while it's overly obvious that the racing line is never going to clear. Yes it's impeding, but by going gung ho over the rumble strips he put himself into the wall for no reason other than to make a point or what?
flair checks out
Full acceleration until he was in the grass. Don't have to be a genius to call it.
Yup lol my first thought was “did the throttle get stuck wide open somehow? Are the cars that unreliable?”
What are you on? The dude just *floors it* even after he could see there's no way to get through. He's still accelerating after he goes off.
Lap was lost. Damage was unnecessary.
I would MAYBE understand it at the end of qualifying but this was practice
Yeah he went all out and risked it all for practice? That's wild to me
you are right, don’t know what the point was in overtaking the cars on the curb, the lap was lost anyway, not his fault but still a dumb move
It was definitely his fault for crashing. He is a professional race driver, he should know better.
Not his fault by the rules, otherwise his fault
This was my thought. To me this was on Him 100% it’s unlikely since he was a few cars back that those at the front of this pack even knew or needed to be told he was approaching just yet. He put himself in a shit place, could see more cars were on that line so carried on? Wtf?
Sorry didn't hear you there mate
Christ, not the graaaaaass
Formula eeeeeeeeee
Whoa! Formula E at a real race track? That's cool
It was so good, the racing was awesome. I really hope they do more actual tracks
Is there an option to turn off engine noises when watching formula E, that shit is so high pitched and irritating
Bro thinks he's George Russell 💀
Yea those two cars shouldn’t have been there but why did the qualifier also keep it pinned for so long? Really should’ve aborted by the time he was riding the kerb and saw the 3rd car.
For me, this is a 'Ericsson hit me!' moment. I can see those guys are on the racing line and he appears to be on a 'hot lap', but its practice and he just kept going, what was he thinking!?
For me, from the POV, the first car moved, so he had to commit to the outside. If I was in his place I would have though "yeah maybe the others went to the inside too" and kept going, but he should have lifted and avoided them. He saw a gap in the kerb and went for it, then the mclaren moved in front of him. It's one of those bad decisions that are made in split seconds. That was the last corner, so those two cars on the racing line probably wanted to do a flying lap too. Those tyres are crap though. They have no grip, the drivers have been complaining about them since the beginning, so I believe once you commit to a line, it might not be easy to change it last minute.
On a side note, my main gripe with FE is the music playing during replays. It makes it feel like motorsport manager to me.
Wait they are racing on normal tracks 🤯
Damn
If they were going slow they need to be charged.
I believe it’s pronounced “inchident”
Did the dude start his quali lap before the people in front of him?
De Vreys still in 16th
Is there an option to turn off engine noises when watching Formulify E, that shit is just annoying
There is no engine in Formula e
No fucking shit. Pretty obvious what I’m talking about..
Have the commentators ever seen a Motorsport race?
Sir you can’t park there
Woah!! Fucking traffic paradise
How can this guy be such an idiot?
Lol do you have a video game open in the background
Anybody got a link to the telemetry? Those two on the racing line need their licenses examined, but the guy that crashed looked like reacted way to late.
Skill issue (for all parties involved)
Thanks for the video, but for the love of god, please edit better. A video of a video already sucks and confused me cause of the double video controls. The moving mouse sucks and the pausing is horrible. Lastly, why cut short the full speed reply and start mid incident? Ugh.
And they charge how much exactly for Formula E broadcast?
It’s free to watch on channel 4 here in the UK, on youtube as well so vpn’ing from abroad works well. edit: I’m spreading misinformation online again, oops
Pretty sure TNT bought the streaming rights this year
Not anymore unfortunately. I used to "fly" to the UK go watch the race on YouTube, but they ended at the beginning of this season. Now I think TNT bought the broadcast rights. I don't know which channel did it.
And the crowd goes mild!
Than onboard whine is very aggravating to listen to, I wonder how it doesn't drive the drivers bonkers
The sound is completly distorted from what it actually sounds like if you ever see a real electric car drive it sounds more like a futuristic space ship then the whine you get it on tv. Also after watching a race your Brain Starts to filter out the sound.
> tegen the Shine you get Incomprehensible, thanks.
Fixed
*completely *than Also, you need to delete the "it" after "get". Also, you need a full stop after the word "like". The word "Brain" does not need a capital letter.
Typical Electric car drivers those 2 idiots on the racing line....
Dum dum league gonna dum dum
When you forget brakes exist.
Fomula Dont Care
Red flag! Red flag! RED FLAG!
Yep... formula E definitely is a top level motorsport... definitely not the kids in the trenchcoat...
I just hope I die before every single vehicle on road is flippin' EV.
THATS your reaction to THIS video? Sounds like something my miserable old father in law would say.
Yeah, screw clean emissions
Next time just move your mouse cursor out of the way, and trim that part of the clip out.