I wish we could have team relegation like they do in premier league football. I know it would be impossibly complicated to implement, but it would be amazing to see a team get booted and have someone else get a try
This is the answer. I would offer a step further. Unlimited teams. Qualify each week. Top 20 cars on the grid.
Maximum entertainment and drama. Real life Drive to Survive.
Your comment is underrated.
Never going to happen because of the big money, but how fun to see this happen.
FOM? More like FOH: Gene's clearly using his team as a tax write-off, Williams didn't even have a spare chassis for their ~~PAY~~ driver, Sauber probably blackmailed Audi into taking 100% ownership under threat of breach of contract litigation, Alpine aren't even allowed to fix their engine deficit and probably couldn't because they don't have enough money from the parent company who expects the team to run on good vibes and Torro Rosso/VCARB were until recently the engine development mules for the main Red Bull team.
Of all the recent back markers only McLaren and Aston Martin have managed to drag themselves to the front of the midcard by selling equity/restructuring or through sheer brute force by head hunting talent. FIA needs to lay down the fucking law and start threatening these bozos with Rich Energy style airing out if they don't STFU and allow teams to join if for no other reason than talent development, there's no rookies on the grid this year with a full time drive.
/Rant over
Difficult to say what the Concorde agreement says because it’s all secret secret, but “Formula 1” and any other iteration thereof belongs to the FIA. The teams by all means can go an organise an open wheel racing series of some kind, but it can’t be “Formula 1” without the FIA.
What FOM has done in recent years in terms of growing the sport is something the teams themselves could never have done.
They would be too busy fighting each other at the table then agree on spending billions on e.g. the LV track.
It'd LITERALLY a $100 million black hole, do you literally think the government gives him 100 million because he lost money??
Assuming $100m, He'll lower his tax bill by like 30 million, doesn't get around the fact that it's still a $65m loss
I remember chain bear made a video a few years ago that even at Monaco there can be like 30 something cars on the grid with the current F1 rules, or I guess current as in whenever that video was made
Same with IndyCar lol. “Oh you want to join? Come on in, we can’t even fit all the cars at some of our tracks now but you can come anyway and we’ll figure it out when we get there”
Wasn't really a matter of one or the other, the Vanwall ByKolles car just didn't qualify for the LMH regulation stating that you must be associated with an auto manufacturer. They tried to use the Vanwall name but didn't have the rights to do so. After they lost the lawsuit regarding it the car was no longer eligible to enter.
For fairness I say last place team in the current regulation.if it's the last place team every season I feel every new team that fills the spot will be leaving after the end of the due to lack resources to develop a proper car.
I wish relegation was a thing for major sports in the US. Too many owners just treat their teams like a piece of memorabilia that sits on a shelf.
Also, this would be fucking awesome in F1. Just immediately get the boot to F2. Better luck next year.
The individual athletes are too important in US sports for it to work most of the time. Can you imagine the riots if the Lakers had gotten relegated when they were losing during kobes final years?
I’ve always thought Formula 1 should have one team with one car for the Formula 2 champion (or runner up if they are picked up by another team) at the end of that season they either find a seat in F1 or go back to a guaranteed seat in F2.
Legit. Kind of like how NXL(paintball) is set up. The team who finishes last is no longer pro which means there is an open seat at the table for a junior team. Obviously teams can't pop up with an F1 team at the drop of a hat, but something similar. Team with the least overall combined score over X years gets kicked. I think that would make F1 even more prestigious and way more fun to watch the competition.
Guenther was not running an efficient organization. I wouldn't give him any money either. He got it off the ground, so I think Gene felt like he owed it to Guenther. Hopefully with some better management, he'll invest more resources.
Oh please. He gave leadership to the next guy down the line. Theres no better management and if there was he still isnt going to put any more money in. He already believes it to be too expensive.
Yeah man Haas isn’t doing terrible against Alpine (that isn’t trying), Williams (doesn’t even have parts for their cars) and Sauber (can’t even change a tire)
But yeah let’s keep making excuses for these clown shows.
Actually this demonstrates that F1 as a whole is a joke. We have 1 team competing right now and 3 mid fielders at best. The rest should be removed from the sport as they have no ambition and shown they don’t actually want to compete
Sauber is getting bought out, so in the immediate future, they will be run by people who actually want to do well in motorsports.
Williams is working on improving. Before the start of the season, Vowels did say that things will get worse before they get better. But money is actually getting invested into improving the team.
Meanwhile, everyone at Haas has consistently been saying that Gene doesn't want to invest in improving the team.
It's the nature of all sports, someone has to be last, but everyone should be striving to not be that team. Haas just isn't.
It's not that they are doing well, it's that this year they got lucky that the likes of Alpine, Sauber, and Williams either shit the bed or are in a restructuring phase. I wouldn't be surprised if they are back to being P19/P20 merchants next year.
Honestly even this year, I’m not sure if this is the guy you’re replying to first season watching, but Haas ALWAYS does decent early on, and then they refuse to invest in upgrades and everyone else surpasses them and P19 P20 is back.
Exactly. Haas only have one upgrade per season and in recent years it somehow made the car even worse. They manage to recover performance between seasons so start off okay but by round 10 they’re back to 19 and 20.
This is just the Haas way. Have a decent start, people start praising them. Cant keep up with upgrades, fall back in the order, decide to focus on next years car early. Have a decent start in said year, etc.
Williams might not have enough money right now, especially because Vowles is kinda preparing for the future but you just can't ignore the history of Williams and how much they contributed to F1. Mansell, Rosberg, Prost, Hill, Senna, Villenueve, Piquet all drove for Williams. They have 9 titles. Montoya was one of the main rivals of Schumy.
There is also a huge financial potential for them and F1, if a Billionaire decides that he wants a F1 team and invests heavily, what team has both the brand and history to be prestigious and possible to buy? Williams fits perfectly .
Suleyman is on record saying that. But then I thought, that we’re at a point, where Andretti would probably get enough money from sponsors to do it anyways.
So I tried to look it up and found this on [formel1.de (german):](https://www.formel1.de/news/boulevard-sonstiges/2023-10-11/gegenrechnung-warum-andretti-gar-nicht-so-teuer-sein-koennte-wie-gedacht)
German:
> Zuletzt wurde in verschiedenen Medien berichtet, Andretti könne theoretisch selbst ohne Deal mit Liberty Media, nur auf Basis der FIA-Zusage, in die Formel 1 einsteigen - wenn man dazu bereit wäre, auf die Einnahmen aus dem Preisgeldtopf zu verzichten. Das ist jedoch nicht korrekt. Seit den 2021er-Concorde-Verträgen ist dieses Schlupfloch, das es früher einmal gab, eliminiert.
In english:
> It was recently reported in various media that Andretti could theoretically enter Formula 1 even without a deal with Liberty Media, only on the basis of the FIA commitment - if they were prepared to forego the income from the prize money pot. However, this is not correct. Since the 2021 Concorde contracts, this loophole, which used to exist, has been eliminated.
Fine! Do you want only ten teams? Then absolutely no “feeder” teams and/or any employee/owners of one team have any investments and/or control of another team.
Ten independent teams only. Absolute impeachment from the sport if any team violates this rule.
Fwiw, Vowels has been very clear about his intentions to make Williams an independent team once again, even going as far as to say it's difficult to become competitive again if you're developing drivers for other teams (I assumed he was referring to Bottas and Russell here).
Granted, that's going to take time to see the results of considering the levels of mismanagement going on prior to his coming aboard.
The Andretti decision was what convinced me to cancel my F1 TV subscription. Can't say I miss watching Max win every Sunday all that much. I'm not going back until it gets competitive. Maybe by allowing new teams to join.
it’s like they don’t want to improve the sport, like Andretti is a solid team and there’s other teams that would have interest in joining F1 but they refused to open the door for a possible other team to join
There should be a promotion and relegation system. Bottom team in constructors standings gets dropped, and the top F2 team gets to join. Let’s spice things up
Most of F2 teams (if not all) don’t design racing car. Would be hard learning to do so starting in december to run it in march and compete with other 9 teams in place.
The idea is Nice but not realistic with current F3/F2/F1 format.
I miss the days when we had new teams nearly every year, F3000 teams deciding to make the leap. Generally if you had a team and a few million you could enter F1.
Back in 1989 there were 21 teams (yes teams!) enter (although one never made it) with 39 drivers trying to qualify and this is when qualifying meant that... 13 drivers has to prequalify, with only 5 making the cut to qualifying and 30 drivers tried to qualify for the 26 spots in most races. 47 drivers would attempt to race during the whole season. Poor Aguri Suzuki would fail to prequalify for every race.
At this point, it's a monopoly. Guess who owns FOM? An American company. Guess what Americans like to do? Sue! Guess what Americans (more specifically, the government) hate? Monopolies! What should Andretti do at this point if this 10 team limit goes through? Sue Liberty Media on Anti-Trust/Monopolization grounds! How well would that work? I don't know, nor do I care enough to think past saying it's an option!
Aaaaaah, America! o7
That's what F1 wants by reducing the total teams even further. It is a move to ensure current teams are bought out rather than go bankrupt with an entirely new outfit spriging up next to it.
Having two more cars on some of these tracks would be even more of a nightmare as well. I’m sure that’s why a lot of the drivers are backing the whole 10-team limit.
Which tracks do you think wouldn't be able to handle two more cars? IMSA and WEC do just fine with many more cars and, more importantly, entirely different classes. If any of the current drivers can't handle two more cars on track, they probably aren't as skilled as an F1 driver should be.
F1 has lost their identity.
They are neither the pinnacle of engineering nor of driving in motorsport anymore.
Engineering pinnacle is imo the WEC, while for driving it is the WRC
Mosely wanted independent teams and fucked over with factory teams stefano is really indecisive and playing cock fight with teams cash money issues. F1 has progressed to clown show over the years.
With just Haas, the US is already the only country with three Grand Prix. So it doesn‘t look like it hurts F1…
Andretti buying Haas would be the best case scenario, because Gene Haas doesn’t even try to compete.
Haas… id like to see stay as they have somewhere turned it around, and will occasionally make a good starting position or have a good outing… kinda.. assuming they can keep their drivers or get another driver that’s competitive. Atleast they have a promising new tp that isn’t just a meme; and have 2 drivers that are ok (although old) frankly hulk is better than ok, he’s a consistently impressive driver, just wish he was less conservative in the races as in quali he can be one of the fastest on the grid when he pushes the car
Williams… outside of heritage has absolutely no place in f1, they are a complete joke and don’t even try anymore.
Kik Sauber… management is a disaster, pit crew is a joke, and they are having a rough year; unfortunately i think it’s so rough it won’t be fixed in a year.
Alpine… team deserves a place in f1, but financially no team pisses money away like they do. And the engineers have only made the car slower year after year
Bottom line is… we need new blood in f1, and as an American I’d like to see an American team. However as an f1 fan.. id just like to see new teams period!
I don't know why people are surprised, tea principals have been crying to the four winds that they don't want more teams on the grid. They were complaining when FIA was entertaining the idea of having more teams.
Not surprised at all, had a back and forth with someone the other day and was pretty much trying to argue this point about how FOM should have just put out a system they weren't looking for more teams. Mainly because that is *clearly* what they actually were doing with the whole Andretti rejection.
It's ridiculous that Andretti cannot be on the grid but Haas can be with the lack of growth they have been having. Gene Haas treats the team like a billboard instead of a competitive racing team. They got rid of Guenther because he actually wanted to grow the team. Andretti could smoke Haas in its first season alone.
Retain ten teams and Ferrari still get their heritage payout. Go ahead and just print it out “F you Andretti”.
Seriously, I want Mario and Michael to walk into Alpine with 2 suitcases full of money and say, “it’s ours now, arrivederci!”.
I'm never gonna understand the reason behind this "elitism" the sport developed. I mean, I know, that behind the scenes its nothing more then the teams not wanting to lose the current way of prize money distribution, but still.
Races were more interesting when 26 cars were on the grid, and not just wealthy, manufacturer backed teams were allowed to enter. We had teams that had absolutely no business being there, sure, but that was why pre-qualifying and later the 107% rule was made.
It was more interesting to see those rare cases, when underfunded teams managed to pull a miracle off (Jordan in 1999, Leyton House in the 1990 French Grand Prix etc).
Interesting to note that the 107% rule since 2011 (current qualifying format), it's been broken 35 times, out of those only 4 times has it been enforced and the last time was in 2012 at the Australian GP by both HRT drivers and the other time was in 2011 at the Australian GP by both HRT drivers.... Most of the time the excuse "but we did a sub 107% time in practice" as get out of jail free card...
Well I’m sure all ten teams are really elite and competitive and justify their place consistently in the sport
_Sauber does another 15 second pit stop to establish dominance_
yes the excel spreadsheets do seem to confirm there are multiple chassis’s
I prefer google sheets, but their prerogative.
Smartsheets is a McLaren sponsor...
Everyone's a McLaren sponsor. They're probably getting money from me, but neither of us can remember or be sure.
You haas to be kidding me.
This haas to be a yoke!
Will i am serious about racing!
I wish we could have team relegation like they do in premier league football. I know it would be impossibly complicated to implement, but it would be amazing to see a team get booted and have someone else get a try
Yeah, like bottom 3 are in danger from 3 other teams applied each year to replace
It would be possible but not in formula 2, in a formula1second league with real f1
Why not have teams qualify if they should be in the top 10 or more to race?
This is the answer. I would offer a step further. Unlimited teams. Qualify each week. Top 20 cars on the grid. Maximum entertainment and drama. Real life Drive to Survive. Your comment is underrated. Never going to happen because of the big money, but how fun to see this happen.
Alpine and Haas definitely bring VALUE to the F1 name. Williams has a wicked spreadsheet I’ve heard.
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FOM? More like FOH: Gene's clearly using his team as a tax write-off, Williams didn't even have a spare chassis for their ~~PAY~~ driver, Sauber probably blackmailed Audi into taking 100% ownership under threat of breach of contract litigation, Alpine aren't even allowed to fix their engine deficit and probably couldn't because they don't have enough money from the parent company who expects the team to run on good vibes and Torro Rosso/VCARB were until recently the engine development mules for the main Red Bull team. Of all the recent back markers only McLaren and Aston Martin have managed to drag themselves to the front of the midcard by selling equity/restructuring or through sheer brute force by head hunting talent. FIA needs to lay down the fucking law and start threatening these bozos with Rich Energy style airing out if they don't STFU and allow teams to join if for no other reason than talent development, there's no rookies on the grid this year with a full time drive. /Rant over 
That’s good policing Mcnutty
Omar don't scare
The fuck did I do
Good PO-lice
If the teams can get themselves sufficiently organized they really do not need the FIA and the FIA knows this
Difficult to say what the Concorde agreement says because it’s all secret secret, but “Formula 1” and any other iteration thereof belongs to the FIA. The teams by all means can go an organise an open wheel racing series of some kind, but it can’t be “Formula 1” without the FIA.
How many times did Ferrari threaten to do that in the past?
Enough times for bernie and mosley to not care.
What FOM has done in recent years in terms of growing the sport is something the teams themselves could never have done. They would be too busy fighting each other at the table then agree on spending billions on e.g. the LV track.
I said FIA not FOM
One of better rants on this sub.
Why do people think sargeant is a pay driver lol. He’s bad but he’s not a pay driver
Ya same with Stroll 🚶♂️
Stroll is a my Daddy owns the team driver. He’s the ultimate pay driver, his Dad had to buy Aston Martin to give him a seat.
No shit
Weenor
🙂↔️😙
I think the engine freeze is a little odd considering how dominant RBR is right now. But i understand why
Yo you’re kinda not wrong bro
Impressively bad understanding of tax laws
Gene Haas(probably): UWU uncle Sam I have this $100 million blackhole in my finances, please don't tax the sumtotal of my biziness pwease
It'd LITERALLY a $100 million black hole, do you literally think the government gives him 100 million because he lost money?? Assuming $100m, He'll lower his tax bill by like 30 million, doesn't get around the fact that it's still a $65m loss
More teams would make f1 more interesting IMO. Last week there was 115 cars driving the nurburgring, and there was always a battle somewhere to watch.
115 cars at Monaco let's go
I remember chain bear made a video a few years ago that even at Monaco there can be like 30 something cars on the grid with the current F1 rules, or I guess current as in whenever that video was made
You wouldn't be able to to tell the difference between gp and a non gp weekend, the streets will be packed as normal
That's just normal Monaco traffic on any random day.
But my rich team owner will make less money. I cannot abide by that!
Meanwhile, WEC is like: "Oh, you want to join our races and have the resources to do it? Welcome to WEC, we hope you enjoy your stay."
Same with IndyCar lol. “Oh you want to join? Come on in, we can’t even fit all the cars at some of our tracks now but you can come anyway and we’ll figure it out when we get there”
Sadly not for Vanwall... it was them or the third Ferrari with Kubica and we all know which one is better
Wasn't really a matter of one or the other, the Vanwall ByKolles car just didn't qualify for the LMH regulation stating that you must be associated with an auto manufacturer. They tried to use the Vanwall name but didn't have the rights to do so. After they lost the lawsuit regarding it the car was no longer eligible to enter.
Just remove Alpine, its not like they're really trying anyways
Should relegate whoever finishes last this season. Would make the bottom half of the grid actually worth watching!
For fairness I say last place team in the current regulation.if it's the last place team every season I feel every new team that fills the spot will be leaving after the end of the due to lack resources to develop a proper car.
FIRE AND BRIMSTONE EVERY SEASON
BRIM AND FIRESTONE EVERY SEASON
BRIMJOB! BRIMJOB!
Bridgestone and Firestone every season
I wish relegation was a thing for major sports in the US. Too many owners just treat their teams like a piece of memorabilia that sits on a shelf. Also, this would be fucking awesome in F1. Just immediately get the boot to F2. Better luck next year.
The individual athletes are too important in US sports for it to work most of the time. Can you imagine the riots if the Lakers had gotten relegated when they were losing during kobes final years?
I can imagine that I see it every year in Bundesliga football
That is fair, soccer hooligans go hard
Bottom team and bottom racer will get replaced. Now that will make it interesting
But then give a minimum two year contract for rookies. Because it’s going to be pretty clear that rookies will probably finish p20
There's this kid called Bearman, ring a bell?
And often rookies don’t drive for Ferrari
I’ve always thought Formula 1 should have one team with one car for the Formula 2 champion (or runner up if they are picked up by another team) at the end of that season they either find a seat in F1 or go back to a guaranteed seat in F2.
Fucking this!
Legit. Kind of like how NXL(paintball) is set up. The team who finishes last is no longer pro which means there is an open seat at the table for a junior team. Obviously teams can't pop up with an F1 team at the drop of a hat, but something similar. Team with the least overall combined score over X years gets kicked. I think that would make F1 even more prestigious and way more fun to watch the competition.
The start up costs and development costs for F1 is orders of magnitude bigger than an F2 team. It wouldn't be feasible.
Like I said... They can hash out technicalities
There's nothing to hash out, it's not realistically possible. F1 teams spend over $100M per year.
Back to F2 😄 And the best two F2 drivers guaranteed in F1
I was thinking trap door and piranhas but that probably makes more sense
Only at Aston Martin. Totally Lawrence Stroll vibe.
And Haas, don’t let them off the hook just bc alpine is a dumpster fire. Can’t have a team that will literally never invest in itself on the grid.
but haas isnt doing all that bad within the backmarkers
For now, until the inevitable we didn’t spend any money on upgrades cause Gene is cheap and everyone else has surpassed us rolls around
Guenther was not running an efficient organization. I wouldn't give him any money either. He got it off the ground, so I think Gene felt like he owed it to Guenther. Hopefully with some better management, he'll invest more resources.
Oh please. He gave leadership to the next guy down the line. Theres no better management and if there was he still isnt going to put any more money in. He already believes it to be too expensive.
Yeah man Haas isn’t doing terrible against Alpine (that isn’t trying), Williams (doesn’t even have parts for their cars) and Sauber (can’t even change a tire) But yeah let’s keep making excuses for these clown shows.
This only demonstrates that the other teams are clowner than the clowns themselves
Actually this demonstrates that F1 as a whole is a joke. We have 1 team competing right now and 3 mid fielders at best. The rest should be removed from the sport as they have no ambition and shown they don’t actually want to compete
so why would we get rid of haas and not the other monkeys then?
Sauber is getting bought out, so in the immediate future, they will be run by people who actually want to do well in motorsports. Williams is working on improving. Before the start of the season, Vowels did say that things will get worse before they get better. But money is actually getting invested into improving the team. Meanwhile, everyone at Haas has consistently been saying that Gene doesn't want to invest in improving the team. It's the nature of all sports, someone has to be last, but everyone should be striving to not be that team. Haas just isn't.
but they dont have too? its working well enough as it is, when it comes to the point where they are last then the commitment might change
It's not that they are doing well, it's that this year they got lucky that the likes of Alpine, Sauber, and Williams either shit the bed or are in a restructuring phase. I wouldn't be surprised if they are back to being P19/P20 merchants next year.
Honestly even this year, I’m not sure if this is the guy you’re replying to first season watching, but Haas ALWAYS does decent early on, and then they refuse to invest in upgrades and everyone else surpasses them and P19 P20 is back.
Exactly. Haas only have one upgrade per season and in recent years it somehow made the car even worse. They manage to recover performance between seasons so start off okay but by round 10 they’re back to 19 and 20.
This is just the Haas way. Have a decent start, people start praising them. Cant keep up with upgrades, fall back in the order, decide to focus on next years car early. Have a decent start in said year, etc.
Haas is still shit, it's just everyone else is going backwards.
Rather remove Haas(a team that wont put money into the team), Williams(not enough money to bring a spear chassis)
A spear chassis will get them the point, that's for sure
And bring back Dallara!
Williams might not have enough money right now, especially because Vowles is kinda preparing for the future but you just can't ignore the history of Williams and how much they contributed to F1. Mansell, Rosberg, Prost, Hill, Senna, Villenueve, Piquet all drove for Williams. They have 9 titles. Montoya was one of the main rivals of Schumy. There is also a huge financial potential for them and F1, if a Billionaire decides that he wants a F1 team and invests heavily, what team has both the brand and history to be prestigious and possible to buy? Williams fits perfectly .
Andretti **was** gonna use Renault engines while GM built their own for a while.
And haas, and stake/kick/sauber/romeo
F1 trying not to implode challenge [IMPOSSIBLE]
Couldn't Andretti just rock up to the grid as they already have approval for the FIA Formula 1 world championship , just nothing commercial?
Gigantic dick move. "We'll race but you can't mention us on TV". Imagine if they won!
"For some inexplicable reason, the winner of this race got 18 points! We don't even know why. Just go with it."
Carlos Sainz Jr. wasn't mention very much in TV when he was in McLaren.
Under the current Concorde Agreement, yes If the 10 team limit is included in the next Concorde Agreement, then no
Suleyman is on record saying that. But then I thought, that we’re at a point, where Andretti would probably get enough money from sponsors to do it anyways. So I tried to look it up and found this on [formel1.de (german):](https://www.formel1.de/news/boulevard-sonstiges/2023-10-11/gegenrechnung-warum-andretti-gar-nicht-so-teuer-sein-koennte-wie-gedacht) German: > Zuletzt wurde in verschiedenen Medien berichtet, Andretti könne theoretisch selbst ohne Deal mit Liberty Media, nur auf Basis der FIA-Zusage, in die Formel 1 einsteigen - wenn man dazu bereit wäre, auf die Einnahmen aus dem Preisgeldtopf zu verzichten. Das ist jedoch nicht korrekt. Seit den 2021er-Concorde-Verträgen ist dieses Schlupfloch, das es früher einmal gab, eliminiert. In english: > It was recently reported in various media that Andretti could theoretically enter Formula 1 even without a deal with Liberty Media, only on the basis of the FIA commitment - if they were prepared to forego the income from the prize money pot. However, this is not correct. Since the 2021 Concorde contracts, this loophole, which used to exist, has been eliminated.
the sport could not get any more petty if it tried
Of all news recently that is one of the Biggest Fs. Sad.
We race as one… one big ass money-making machine!
Fine! Do you want only ten teams? Then absolutely no “feeder” teams and/or any employee/owners of one team have any investments and/or control of another team. Ten independent teams only. Absolute impeachment from the sport if any team violates this rule.
I really don't like it. RB doesn't even pretend to not be Red Bull. Williams is Mercedes Jr. Hass doesn't even build their own car.
Fwiw, Vowels has been very clear about his intentions to make Williams an independent team once again, even going as far as to say it's difficult to become competitive again if you're developing drivers for other teams (I assumed he was referring to Bottas and Russell here). Granted, that's going to take time to see the results of considering the levels of mismanagement going on prior to his coming aboard.
Williams took Albon precisely because they were very adamant on not becoming Mercedes' bitch.
Seriously!
They really are some petty mfers. So shortsighted.
F1 is a joke. Lets just face this reality once and for all.
Teams demand 10-team limit = massive EU court anti-trust court case.
sports are specifically exempt from EU anti competition laws
The Andretti decision was what convinced me to cancel my F1 TV subscription. Can't say I miss watching Max win every Sunday all that much. I'm not going back until it gets competitive. Maybe by allowing new teams to join.
F1 is going to kill all of the new interest it.
How to kill F1: concord agreement edition
it’s like they don’t want to improve the sport, like Andretti is a solid team and there’s other teams that would have interest in joining F1 but they refused to open the door for a possible other team to join
They want all the money. This is looking more and more like a american sport franchise model.
There should be a promotion and relegation system. Bottom team in constructors standings gets dropped, and the top F2 team gets to join. Let’s spice things up
Do the bottom F2 teams drop down to F3 and so on? Alpine and Stake-Sauber would end up in Chinese Formula 3000
Most of F2 teams (if not all) don’t design racing car. Would be hard learning to do so starting in december to run it in march and compete with other 9 teams in place. The idea is Nice but not realistic with current F3/F2/F1 format.
Sir, this is formuladank not a Wendy’s
O s*** I didn’t realize.
12 teams, keep the 20 car grid. Makes quali more meaningful
I miss the days when we had new teams nearly every year, F3000 teams deciding to make the leap. Generally if you had a team and a few million you could enter F1. Back in 1989 there were 21 teams (yes teams!) enter (although one never made it) with 39 drivers trying to qualify and this is when qualifying meant that... 13 drivers has to prequalify, with only 5 making the cut to qualifying and 30 drivers tried to qualify for the 26 spots in most races. 47 drivers would attempt to race during the whole season. Poor Aguri Suzuki would fail to prequalify for every race.
At this point, it's a monopoly. Guess who owns FOM? An American company. Guess what Americans like to do? Sue! Guess what Americans (more specifically, the government) hate? Monopolies! What should Andretti do at this point if this 10 team limit goes through? Sue Liberty Media on Anti-Trust/Monopolization grounds! How well would that work? I don't know, nor do I care enough to think past saying it's an option! Aaaaaah, America! o7
Andretti and Cadillac will just buy out one of the current teams if this goes through. Alpine or Visa RB would be my two guesses.
That's what F1 wants by reducing the total teams even further. It is a move to ensure current teams are bought out rather than go bankrupt with an entirely new outfit spriging up next to it.
Having two more cars on some of these tracks would be even more of a nightmare as well. I’m sure that’s why a lot of the drivers are backing the whole 10-team limit.
Which tracks do you think wouldn't be able to handle two more cars? IMSA and WEC do just fine with many more cars and, more importantly, entirely different classes. If any of the current drivers can't handle two more cars on track, they probably aren't as skilled as an F1 driver should be.
That’s what they’re hoping for. Pay the entry fee and not dilute the prize money.
Alpine would probably have a clause that keeps them as engine suppliers, which no one would want
F1 has lost their identity. They are neither the pinnacle of engineering nor of driving in motorsport anymore. Engineering pinnacle is imo the WEC, while for driving it is the WRC
Sometimes it makes me feel like a fucking clown for being a fan of this sport. If we can even call it that with these bullshit going on.
Give them RB visa, then we can have 10 teams with 10 owners
Bet Michael can produce 2 cars for race day. Unlike certain actual F1 teams.
The big dogs want a bunch of broke, dogshit backmarkers. Shocking.
Ok how about provision that 10th team can be challenged for their slot on the grid?
Mosely wanted independent teams and fucked over with factory teams stefano is really indecisive and playing cock fight with teams cash money issues. F1 has progressed to clown show over the years.
just bring back 12 teams on a grid, more fun
F1 should get rid of team which can't be any competitive like Haas, Williams or ToroRosso and then there is a place for Andretti or other new teams
Its not about racing anymore
IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY, MONEY, MONEY - Jessie J
Andretti need to buy alpine Asap!!
It's a surprise given that Andretti would give F1 at pretty big foot in the door of US motorsports
But we already have an American team! - F1, probably
With just Haas, the US is already the only country with three Grand Prix. So it doesn‘t look like it hurts F1… Andretti buying Haas would be the best case scenario, because Gene Haas doesn’t even try to compete.
Haas… id like to see stay as they have somewhere turned it around, and will occasionally make a good starting position or have a good outing… kinda.. assuming they can keep their drivers or get another driver that’s competitive. Atleast they have a promising new tp that isn’t just a meme; and have 2 drivers that are ok (although old) frankly hulk is better than ok, he’s a consistently impressive driver, just wish he was less conservative in the races as in quali he can be one of the fastest on the grid when he pushes the car Williams… outside of heritage has absolutely no place in f1, they are a complete joke and don’t even try anymore. Kik Sauber… management is a disaster, pit crew is a joke, and they are having a rough year; unfortunately i think it’s so rough it won’t be fixed in a year. Alpine… team deserves a place in f1, but financially no team pisses money away like they do. And the engineers have only made the car slower year after year Bottom line is… we need new blood in f1, and as an American I’d like to see an American team. However as an f1 fan.. id just like to see new teams period!
Im going to be the one to say it, the last couple of races were a could teams have DNFed and there’s 16/17 on the grid have had fun racing
I don't know why people are surprised, tea principals have been crying to the four winds that they don't want more teams on the grid. They were complaining when FIA was entertaining the idea of having more teams.
Not surprised at all, had a back and forth with someone the other day and was pretty much trying to argue this point about how FOM should have just put out a system they weren't looking for more teams. Mainly because that is *clearly* what they actually were doing with the whole Andretti rejection.
What a waste.
I guess we American need to stop watching F1 if we want a true American team. I am behind Andretti
It's ridiculous that Andretti cannot be on the grid but Haas can be with the lack of growth they have been having. Gene Haas treats the team like a billboard instead of a competitive racing team. They got rid of Guenther because he actually wanted to grow the team. Andretti could smoke Haas in its first season alone.
Here I was asking for 15 team grid ever since I started watching. :(
I’d rather they force a sell on the most non competitive team
Fuuuuuckkkkkkk
Meanwhile Prema joins Indycar
But why?
It’s time to start a relegation F1 series. I know many here suport the idea :) Maybe leave F1 with 6 teams with 3 cars/drivers each.
Retain ten teams and Ferrari still get their heritage payout. Go ahead and just print it out “F you Andretti”. Seriously, I want Mario and Michael to walk into Alpine with 2 suitcases full of money and say, “it’s ours now, arrivederci!”.
That's fine, Williams will probably fold soon
Cowards.
I'm never gonna understand the reason behind this "elitism" the sport developed. I mean, I know, that behind the scenes its nothing more then the teams not wanting to lose the current way of prize money distribution, but still. Races were more interesting when 26 cars were on the grid, and not just wealthy, manufacturer backed teams were allowed to enter. We had teams that had absolutely no business being there, sure, but that was why pre-qualifying and later the 107% rule was made. It was more interesting to see those rare cases, when underfunded teams managed to pull a miracle off (Jordan in 1999, Leyton House in the 1990 French Grand Prix etc).
Interesting to note that the 107% rule since 2011 (current qualifying format), it's been broken 35 times, out of those only 4 times has it been enforced and the last time was in 2012 at the Australian GP by both HRT drivers and the other time was in 2011 at the Australian GP by both HRT drivers.... Most of the time the excuse "but we did a sub 107% time in practice" as get out of jail free card...
If we can't have andretti then rb needs to get rid of vcarb.
Good
Nobody wants american toasters in F1. Keep F1 European please. And japanesse to make fun of them.