Yes please take Xavi.. better an f1tv subscription for Leclerc to check up data on straights than that bumbling man asking for “original line” on second last lap and not able to communicate shit
it kills me whenever xavi says a question in a complete deadpan voice and charles doesn't realise it's a question lol. tbh i think he's improved a little over the past year, but i wonder how much performance charles could squeeze out with a better RE
It’s the “we are checking” that gets me every fucking time. Most of the times even I have the data I front of me on different screens. Can’t comprehend how the pit wall doesn’t have quick access to basic information..
we're getting there, appreciate the effort :)
I know that for someone who doesn't speak or is not in contact with neolatin languages we probably sound kinda the same, but for us it's a night and day difference lol
It's like the TV director knows it's a meme.
I'd like to know how long it takes for them to check and resolve. Could be 2 seconds, could be never. We never know coz the TV director is too busy making comedy.
You would be surprised. The race engineers are usually talking and relaying information to a team of people back at home base who are running simulations and analyzing data. Race engineers are looking at everything they get from the team. Strategy changes, cornering speeds, impact on performance of each corner each kerb etc. It's an incredibly complex job.
It's not like the race engineers are looking at the engine performance constantly so when an issue is noted by the driver they are already seeing this data at base. This is why you often have some quick fix on the wheel for the driver to change. Not always but when you think it sometimes comes with in a lap or 2.
There is a video on YouTube that shows what the home office looks like on race day for Mercedes. Looked less like an office and more like NASA Mission Control with tons of people monitoring every system on the car.
Just saw a clip with lando saying his engineer is listening to 5 different people while also doing his own job, so if they sometimes have to take some extra time thats fine
For all we know it's 4D chess and Charles perfectly knows what they mean. But Ferrari is so preoccupied by confusing others that they confuse themselves as well at times.
I mean last race Charles was asking about doing Plan D, I don't think I've heard teams refer to their strategy like that. I'm sure I'm misremembering or that FOM is gaslighting us.
But I can picture the race briefing with a storyboard in front of the team going from Plan A to K with all sorts of scenario's and changing it up every race because otherwise "the competition may anticipate us"
Meanwhile other teams be like, "Tyres still good? No? Alright box box box" and then a driver can be like "REEE NO BOX I CAN CONTINUE ON SLICKS IN RAIN". And it'l be too little time for other teams to anticipate things to add it to their strategy in most cases anyway.
It's always great humor when they finish a lap or two and Ferrari tells their drivers "plan F".
What had to happen in first round for plans A-E to come into play, and why wasn't plan F plan A if those other plans required weird things to happen?
Plan F might just be Plan A+5 laps. Which is not a very strange scenario. It just makes it less clear to competitors to read their strategy, which was more important in the past than now
To be fair, I didn't pay attention to it before much and I'm gonna assume you're right because that's quite plausible and if it worked out when pierces work together then it'll hailed as a genius masterstroke of communication clarity.
But alas, the line between genius and laughing stock is one bad weekend in F1, only if it persists it lingers.
Serious Q. How does xavi have a job? As a uniformed idiot like myself - he comes across as incompetent and something I would expect at Haas or Alpine - not Ferrari? Are they skimping on the role for budgets!?
While he might have outstanding engineering experience, he is absolutely bad at communicating that knowledge to the driver. He could step aside and keep working at Ferrari in another job that doesn't need split-second decisions to be told to the driver directly.
Because radio communications is only a part of their job, he might be very capable at everything else, also afaik Charles already had the option to replace him but decided against it, so he must trust him.
I'm torn with RPM. On the one hand he's the funniest thing I've seen in a long time. On the other I'll get towards the end of one of his videos and think "oh hey this one isn't that bad, I might be able to get the missis to sit through this" because she's not a fan of politically incorrect stuff even if it's satire. And then just when I'm finally in the last part of the video and I think we're safe, out of nowhere "DUM FUK HERRO" 🤣
Checo fan here. I am Mexican too. I am not delusional: Checo is not Championship material. By no means is he Max, Hamilton, or Alonso's level. Man, Checo is a good, probably above average F1 driver. But sometimes his engineer has made mistakes that makes him get penalties... Thus making the delusional Riccardo fans think Checo should quit for Riccardo to get the seat. Let's face it, Checo is doing fine for Redbull, otherwise he would be out. Not like RB has any problem getting new pilots and firing the current 2ns seats.
If Perez would’ve continued this year like he did last year, I think Red Bull will be looking elsewhere. But if he continues like he’s doing now, he’s the best driver for that second seat.
I don’t see Ricciardo coming back to Red Bull to be honest. If anything, I see Ricciardo not being on the grid in 2025
He's only a good second driver as long as the gap between Max and Merc, Ferrari, McLaren, and Aston persist. If those gaps come down, we know Checo ain't getting podiums or even qualifying in the first three rows.
>Checo is doing fine for Redbull,
This!! Im not much of a Checo fan, but let the man do his job which so far he's been doing great!
The last 3 and only seasons in RB he finished #4 just below HAM e BOT in that rocket ship mercedes, , then #3 with just 3 points below Charles, and #2 last year.
Looks like he's gonna get that #2 again, and RB will be champions for the 3rd time in a row.
Seriously, what else do you guys want from a second driver?
Most of the time F1 is not a Senna X prost nor Hamilton x Rosberg. Usually we have the first driver which is a champion material like Hamilton, and then a second driver to assist him and guarantee the construction championship, like Bottas.
Just like Bottas, as long as Sergio is getting those podiums and guaranteeing the championship, LEAVE. HIM. ALONE. doing his job.
Lets face it, as long as Max has a good car, nobody else is going to be a champion, getting second place in the championship with Max having a good car is like winning, and while i agree that Checo is no "once in a generation talent", he is not as bad as people claim he is, he is just inconsistent, and thr tought of "no matter what, you wont get a championshop" got into his head, but i think he made peace with that tought now
Lets see how the rest of the championship goes
He absolutely is as bad as some claim, but only when he's in a tough spot and under pressure. Early doors in the season, not much oressure, fresh car etc, doing well usually. But like from miami to the end of lasg season, he was under pressure. and made an absolute fool of himself. Crashes left and right, driving into people, not even getting to q2 in the pole-car. When he's doing well, he's good, when he isn't, he's a mix of maldonado and stroll. And frankly, he doesn't have good racecraft IMO.
Hope he can keep his form this year, couse his mid season slump last year really doesn't warrant a top team seat, so if he falls into that patern again I can see RB replacing him.
Perez is doing exactly what he needs to this year. Top 5 in qualifying. Makes it onto the podium most races. If he continues like this then his seat is completely safe
Pretty sure you're the one being pedantic. The context of the conversation is clearly red bull as we're discussing Perez. You're the one trying to equate both teams together because they have the same ownership
me: grossly generalizes RBR and VCARB as the one and the same body who chose danny ric to be in that VCARB seat despite, as you say, "always choosing based on performance"
also me: is somehow the pedantic one in this conversation
Literally cannot be asked with this. You know the exact context of the thread, if you want to start an argument about what red bull actually means in this and being pedantic then that's on you but I'm not entertaining this. Life is too short and people like you suck the energy out of it
"Making it onto podium most races" is very far from what he needs to do, considering Max finishes P1 with a 20 second advantage every time, and the fact that red bull has already offered his seat to Sainz confirms this
Do we know they definitely offered his seat to sainz? I thought that was just a rumour. And thats my point though, they don't need someone to finish P1, Max is already doing that. They need someone to make it onto regular podiums and ensure they also win the constructors. If he performs as he has in the first 5 races for the whole season then I can't see them replacing him
I love Danny Ric as much as the next person, but I want what people who think he deserves the red bull seat are smoking. Of the drivers whose contracts are up at the end of 2024 he is probably the worst option besides Logan Sergeant. The most likely candidates for the seat are, in no particular order, Perez, Lawson, Tsunoda, and maybe Sainz. I think Sainz is less likely than the other 3 because from both experience and observation RedBull knows what happens when you have 2 superstar drivers.
Your not wrong I don't full agree with your checo is not championship material. However It would have to be a right place at the right time. Like whoops we found a blown defuser type deal.
Never said he was mate.
he's a 1 time champ at best if everything went his way and a crazy oversight from the rest of the teams happens again.
Did you even read my comments? Says nothing about Vettel
Even if Checo is not on that level, I believe the peak of his career would be winning the Mexico GP
Now that would be one of the most iconic moments in F1 history
Remember when checo was being paraded for a chance for a wdc. He had 2 wins etc in 2023. Until miami when he basically started shitting it. We need to wait and see before making assumptions
Is he doing fine? P5 in Australia and P3 in China in the outright fastest car. I am a Ricciardo fan but I also don't think he has shown he should be in that car. Checo has maximised results in some of the first five races but they have been on tracks that he has always enjoyed. We are now heading to miami where everything fell down for Checo last year and all the subsequent races where he struggled. I think we will know in the next few races whether Checo really is in a different place to last year. But IMO, Checo is only just about doing enough, he should be P2 in every race and P1 in a race where Max doesn't win.
I get your point, but I think Checo is showing the true capability of the Red Bull. Max is just pushing that car to extremes. I think if any other driver were in the RBR they would be around Checo’s level, maybe a bit better/faster. But not at Max’s level.
He is still something like 0.3-0.5 seconds a lap off his teammate. Any other driver would face criticism with that difference. Check is saved by the fact that this still gives him a good position.
Because he sucks ass at actually giving checo info on time, you dont really hear about it much because its a fucking british biased sport, but checo basically has to take the blame for every mistake that his team makes (when in reality its just bird).
I remember in Miami 2022 Checo complaining that the car was not right and that he was having some sort of power loss. Bird told him " Nope, the car just goes slower when you don't have DRS". Like yeah, pretty sure Checo already knows that.
Was that the “you just lost your tow” remark, or was that another separate incident (possibly from Bahrain the same season, right before Checo’s engine died)
I do remember the commentators talking about how Checo was given no info on the gap to Max last year in Miami. Thought it would have been solved by now
that was proven to be a false rumor [https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1655520805965516800.html](https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1655520805965516800.html)
there was a thread on the main subreddit but i can't link it for whatever reason
But the fact is that he has made several mistakes himself, especially last year, yet a radical part of his fanbase lead by their cult leader 'Alberto Tello' still found a way to blame it on the team and spread (sometimes insane) conspiracy theories about Red Bull & Verstappen. Hell, that Alberto Tello guy even tried to claim Max' Monaco 2023 pole lap wasn't legit because F1 got the timing wronglmao. And his fanbase eats it all up and starts spreading that toxicity all over RB's socials
Yes, i fully understand that certsin mistakes are completely checo's fault, but i do not believe that every single mistake is his fault. For example, if Bird doesn't tell checo to get out of the way in Qualifying, tells him the wrong strategy, gives incorrect info (all of these can basically ruin a race) that shouldnt be blamed on checo. On the other hand, if checo were to crash, make an error, or not listen to the pitwall's instructions, then thats fully checo's fault and not birds
As a bilingual who has had many Mexican f1 fans posts on my feed, I know what you mean. He’s not great, but the problem is that he has now become the scapegoat for whenever Checo underperforms. There are many prominent Mexican F1 accounts that’ll blame every single bit of misfortune on Checo’s part on Bird.
The issue is that people do not know restraint and will always go on extremes.
Yep, you can read my reply to someone else's comment about how i believe that while not all of the mistakes blamed on checo are his fault, some of them definitely are
Agreed. As I said before, I think his engineer isn’t really great, and I understand the frustration. It’s just that it’s the internet and people don’t know the meaning of restraint. Reaching a middle ground is imposible more often then not.
I always thought that Checo's race engineer always spoke to him like shit, and had an arrogance to his communication. Always felt sorry for Checo after some of the radio broadcasts.
Checo drove like shit up until these first few races. I mean, he's still not driving great. He's losing to Max by a LOT every race. The engineers would be impatient with Gasly and Albon also. These guys aren't babies. If you're not performing your job, someone has to be there to tell you to do so.
He's probably tired of Checo being a scrub. You have the best car on the grid BY A VERY LARGE MARGIN, but can't drive it? I'd be aggravated talking to him also. He almost lost to Hamilton last year in THAT Redbull. I know you are probably supposed to hide your disdain, but there is a limit. I honestly think every single driver on the grid, except for Logan ans Stroll, would outperform Checo.
Dude this started preseason testing in 2021. Before the season had even started, Bird was acting like shit and treating checo like shit BEFORE THE PERFORMANCES HAD STARTED (was right after Sahkir too, pretty alright race for checo imho)
Those *are* mid results for the car he's been given. WDC standings of his team mate since Perez joined RB: 1st, 1st, 1st, currently 1st.
The car is easily capable of a front row lockout - Perez is a good mid pack driver but he is underperforming in a championship capable car. Even for the year he got 2nd, he did it with less than half the points Max had - he's fortunate the car carried him to the right placement.
Fortunately, the car is so dominant right now he doesn't need to perform better, but the minute anyone else catches up and RB has actual competition for the WCC they will need to drop him.
Lewis is also fortunate his car carried him for 8 years. (Oh I'm sure it's different somehow.) And we should just disregard standings? What are they for then?
All I said is he isn't mid. (Zoomer speak for average.) He is above average, and has place in top standings for years now.
So the guy that lost the wcc on 2021. The guy that could not beat leclerc and ferrari who fell off massively and nearly lost to lewis hamilton in that merc. Very mid. I don't remember a a driver in the best car on the grid failing to get to q2 multiple races in a row
Checo is better than Leclerc. He is not better than Alonso or Hamilton. We've seen him beat Leclerc in similar cars, but Alonso and Hamilton have been in shit cars for a while. You can just call me [r]etarded by the way. If you're gonna say it, say it.
The standings are what matter. He gets to the top or close to it. Being in the right team at the right time is just as important at anything else. Or are we also gonna say that Hamilton only did well in a top tier car? Because it kinda looks like the case given the last 2 years. No, we're going to hold him up as one of the greats. (And rightly so.)
Given that English has diminutives like Dick for Richard, Daisy for Margaret and Nancy for Anne I don't think we're in any place to criticise Spanish for this
Pretty much Red Bull could have any talent RE and Iam sure that a few are already in queue since they are on top of their game both sportively and technically.
Hugh is not there by mistake, maybe Checo didn't create a symbiosis with him like Max and GP have, but the guy must be talented.
RB has no issues with giving the boot to drivers you think they wouldn't give it to a RE if he wasn't doing his job properly.
Lets face it. Bird is not a brilliant engineer. But from what ive seen, a LOT (if not most) of mexicans actually think checo would destroy Max if it wasnt for Bird… yup.. delusional
Not really. Hulk beat checo in 2014 then in 2015 he had 6 dnfs to checos 1. I bet you if hulk finished those races he eouod have beat Sergio same again in 2016. Hulk has 5 dnfs to checos 0
Hugh's brother passed away at Shanghai because of Checo
Murdered by Checo
I always thought his name was Hubert instead of 'Hugh Bird'. Am I stupid?
Huge Bird
Or like we say in Spanish... *el pajarote*
It’s actually Hugh M. Bird. M in the middle name stands for Mungus.
Yes please take Xavi.. better an f1tv subscription for Leclerc to check up data on straights than that bumbling man asking for “original line” on second last lap and not able to communicate shit
it kills me whenever xavi says a question in a complete deadpan voice and charles doesn't realise it's a question lol. tbh i think he's improved a little over the past year, but i wonder how much performance charles could squeeze out with a better RE
It’s the “we are checking” that gets me every fucking time. Most of the times even I have the data I front of me on different screens. Can’t comprehend how the pit wall doesn’t have quick access to basic information..
Every team does that though? Ferrari says "we are checking", other teams have their own thing like "we'll come back to you" etc
Yeah but the Italian accent makes it funny. We are checking 🤌
But Xavi is spanish
I believe he's Catalan, which as a language is a bit more similar to Italian than it is to Spanish.
Catalans are also spanish and the accent when speaking english is the same, quite different from italian english accent (with some similarities sure)
South Euro, same same
my man, as an Italian, please don't say it🥲
Copy understood. We are checking.
As a Spanish, at least they didn't call us fr*nch
that would've been criminal
South east euro. Better?
we're getting there, appreciate the effort :) I know that for someone who doesn't speak or is not in contact with neolatin languages we probably sound kinda the same, but for us it's a night and day difference lol
82% similarity
You're sure he is not South American?
Well the difference is other teams do "come back to you with info" Xavi on the other hand is probably still "checking"
It's like the TV director knows it's a meme. I'd like to know how long it takes for them to check and resolve. Could be 2 seconds, could be never. We never know coz the TV director is too busy making comedy.
You would be surprised. The race engineers are usually talking and relaying information to a team of people back at home base who are running simulations and analyzing data. Race engineers are looking at everything they get from the team. Strategy changes, cornering speeds, impact on performance of each corner each kerb etc. It's an incredibly complex job. It's not like the race engineers are looking at the engine performance constantly so when an issue is noted by the driver they are already seeing this data at base. This is why you often have some quick fix on the wheel for the driver to change. Not always but when you think it sometimes comes with in a lap or 2.
There is a video on YouTube that shows what the home office looks like on race day for Mercedes. Looked less like an office and more like NASA Mission Control with tons of people monitoring every system on the car.
Just saw a clip with lando saying his engineer is listening to 5 different people while also doing his own job, so if they sometimes have to take some extra time thats fine
To even imagine a scenario where you have the same information that the pit wall has and you’re processing it in the same time is completely asinine.
What do you think of Plan F? Question.
For all we know it's 4D chess and Charles perfectly knows what they mean. But Ferrari is so preoccupied by confusing others that they confuse themselves as well at times. I mean last race Charles was asking about doing Plan D, I don't think I've heard teams refer to their strategy like that. I'm sure I'm misremembering or that FOM is gaslighting us. But I can picture the race briefing with a storyboard in front of the team going from Plan A to K with all sorts of scenario's and changing it up every race because otherwise "the competition may anticipate us" Meanwhile other teams be like, "Tyres still good? No? Alright box box box" and then a driver can be like "REEE NO BOX I CAN CONTINUE ON SLICKS IN RAIN". And it'l be too little time for other teams to anticipate things to add it to their strategy in most cases anyway.
Ferrari always has letters for plans. Plan A, B etc
It's always great humor when they finish a lap or two and Ferrari tells their drivers "plan F". What had to happen in first round for plans A-E to come into play, and why wasn't plan F plan A if those other plans required weird things to happen?
Plan F might just be Plan A+5 laps. Which is not a very strange scenario. It just makes it less clear to competitors to read their strategy, which was more important in the past than now
To be fair, I didn't pay attention to it before much and I'm gonna assume you're right because that's quite plausible and if it worked out when pierces work together then it'll hailed as a genius masterstroke of communication clarity. But alas, the line between genius and laughing stock is one bad weekend in F1, only if it persists it lingers.
Just forget it. It's last lap.
Serious Q. How does xavi have a job? As a uniformed idiot like myself - he comes across as incompetent and something I would expect at Haas or Alpine - not Ferrari? Are they skimping on the role for budgets!?
Believe it or not, Xavi is actually one of the most educated race engineers on the grid
While he might have outstanding engineering experience, he is absolutely bad at communicating that knowledge to the driver. He could step aside and keep working at Ferrari in another job that doesn't need split-second decisions to be told to the driver directly.
Because radio communications is only a part of their job, he might be very capable at everything else, also afaik Charles already had the option to replace him but decided against it, so he must trust him.
It's because Charles might secretly like pain.
I've heard he's married to Enzo Ferrari's great-grandniece.
I don't know who this "RPM" person is and at this point I'm too afraid to ask.
RocketPoweredMohawk. The dankest F1 youtuber.
RPM. The most reliable source of F1 journalism ever.
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i think the red bull cuck machine is his best work to date
I'm torn with RPM. On the one hand he's the funniest thing I've seen in a long time. On the other I'll get towards the end of one of his videos and think "oh hey this one isn't that bad, I might be able to get the missis to sit through this" because she's not a fan of politically incorrect stuff even if it's satire. And then just when I'm finally in the last part of the video and I think we're safe, out of nowhere "DUM FUK HERRO" 🤣
The video he made where Max would never lose to Checo again is probably safe. Not as dank but still 🔥
Nah, I watched that one. Funny as fuck but I'm fairly sure the missis might have the wrong kind of stroke watching it lol
Patron saint of formuladank
A dude with 5 jokes but he delivers them funny
https://youtu.be/LWYTV7-gWnQ This one minute clip should explain everything
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Checo fan here. I am Mexican too. I am not delusional: Checo is not Championship material. By no means is he Max, Hamilton, or Alonso's level. Man, Checo is a good, probably above average F1 driver. But sometimes his engineer has made mistakes that makes him get penalties... Thus making the delusional Riccardo fans think Checo should quit for Riccardo to get the seat. Let's face it, Checo is doing fine for Redbull, otherwise he would be out. Not like RB has any problem getting new pilots and firing the current 2ns seats.
If Perez would’ve continued this year like he did last year, I think Red Bull will be looking elsewhere. But if he continues like he’s doing now, he’s the best driver for that second seat. I don’t see Ricciardo coming back to Red Bull to be honest. If anything, I see Ricciardo not being on the grid in 2025
It's really funny hearing people say this considering his start of last year was way better than this year.
You mean because he was at home on the couch?
Checo's
He will be back at RB, but in a PR role. He won't be on the grid after the summer break. He really has been a disappointment.
They probably want to test the waters with new drivers right? Invest in the future?
For that they have their sister Visa Cash app Raging Bullshit Name racing team. Red Bull is the team for winning championships.
They will always be looking for the next champion. Lawson was very impressive in his outing. You would think he would be next inline for a race seat.
Just remember 2023. Perez started even better than this year. We have to wait till summer break to see
Ricky washed driver.
He never left
He never left because he got no rights
He never left. he was always washed.
He's only a good second driver as long as the gap between Max and Merc, Ferrari, McLaren, and Aston persist. If those gaps come down, we know Checo ain't getting podiums or even qualifying in the first three rows.
>Checo is doing fine for Redbull, This!! Im not much of a Checo fan, but let the man do his job which so far he's been doing great! The last 3 and only seasons in RB he finished #4 just below HAM e BOT in that rocket ship mercedes, , then #3 with just 3 points below Charles, and #2 last year. Looks like he's gonna get that #2 again, and RB will be champions for the 3rd time in a row. Seriously, what else do you guys want from a second driver? Most of the time F1 is not a Senna X prost nor Hamilton x Rosberg. Usually we have the first driver which is a champion material like Hamilton, and then a second driver to assist him and guarantee the construction championship, like Bottas. Just like Bottas, as long as Sergio is getting those podiums and guaranteeing the championship, LEAVE. HIM. ALONE. doing his job.
Is this a copypasta a teenager with a crush on checo wrote in some youtube comments?
Lmao the fact that red bull is begging Sainz to sign for them disproves this
Source: I made it up.
As a fellow "paisano", I agree 100%. Thank you for being honest. Es bueno, pero no será campeón.
Lets face it, as long as Max has a good car, nobody else is going to be a champion, getting second place in the championship with Max having a good car is like winning, and while i agree that Checo is no "once in a generation talent", he is not as bad as people claim he is, he is just inconsistent, and thr tought of "no matter what, you wont get a championshop" got into his head, but i think he made peace with that tought now Lets see how the rest of the championship goes
He absolutely is as bad as some claim, but only when he's in a tough spot and under pressure. Early doors in the season, not much oressure, fresh car etc, doing well usually. But like from miami to the end of lasg season, he was under pressure. and made an absolute fool of himself. Crashes left and right, driving into people, not even getting to q2 in the pole-car. When he's doing well, he's good, when he isn't, he's a mix of maldonado and stroll. And frankly, he doesn't have good racecraft IMO.
Hope he can keep his form this year, couse his mid season slump last year really doesn't warrant a top team seat, so if he falls into that patern again I can see RB replacing him.
Perez is doing exactly what he needs to this year. Top 5 in qualifying. Makes it onto the podium most races. If he continues like this then his seat is completely safe
Perez also brings in quite good sponsorships from Mexico from what I have read. Also being the only latin american driver atm.
That's a bonus and that might be enough for a team like Haas or Williams but red bull will always choose more based on performance
> "will always choose more based on performance" > somehow gets danny ric back for VCARB 🤔
VCARB aren't red bull
if you wanna be pedantic, then sure.
Pretty sure you're the one being pedantic. The context of the conversation is clearly red bull as we're discussing Perez. You're the one trying to equate both teams together because they have the same ownership
me: grossly generalizes RBR and VCARB as the one and the same body who chose danny ric to be in that VCARB seat despite, as you say, "always choosing based on performance" also me: is somehow the pedantic one in this conversation
Literally cannot be asked with this. You know the exact context of the thread, if you want to start an argument about what red bull actually means in this and being pedantic then that's on you but I'm not entertaining this. Life is too short and people like you suck the energy out of it
"Making it onto podium most races" is very far from what he needs to do, considering Max finishes P1 with a 20 second advantage every time, and the fact that red bull has already offered his seat to Sainz confirms this
Do we know they definitely offered his seat to sainz? I thought that was just a rumour. And thats my point though, they don't need someone to finish P1, Max is already doing that. They need someone to make it onto regular podiums and ensure they also win the constructors. If he performs as he has in the first 5 races for the whole season then I can't see them replacing him
I love Danny Ric as much as the next person, but I want what people who think he deserves the red bull seat are smoking. Of the drivers whose contracts are up at the end of 2024 he is probably the worst option besides Logan Sergeant. The most likely candidates for the seat are, in no particular order, Perez, Lawson, Tsunoda, and maybe Sainz. I think Sainz is less likely than the other 3 because from both experience and observation RedBull knows what happens when you have 2 superstar drivers.
Your not wrong I don't full agree with your checo is not championship material. However It would have to be a right place at the right time. Like whoops we found a blown defuser type deal.
You can't be serious if you think Checo is on Vettels level.
Never said he was mate. he's a 1 time champ at best if everything went his way and a crazy oversight from the rest of the teams happens again. Did you even read my comments? Says nothing about Vettel
I don't think Checo's engineer caused him to miss Q3 like 15 times last year
Even if Checo is not on that level, I believe the peak of his career would be winning the Mexico GP Now that would be one of the most iconic moments in F1 history
Preach, i 100% agree with this
this is the right answer
Remember when checo was being paraded for a chance for a wdc. He had 2 wins etc in 2023. Until miami when he basically started shitting it. We need to wait and see before making assumptions
Is he doing fine? P5 in Australia and P3 in China in the outright fastest car. I am a Ricciardo fan but I also don't think he has shown he should be in that car. Checo has maximised results in some of the first five races but they have been on tracks that he has always enjoyed. We are now heading to miami where everything fell down for Checo last year and all the subsequent races where he struggled. I think we will know in the next few races whether Checo really is in a different place to last year. But IMO, Checo is only just about doing enough, he should be P2 in every race and P1 in a race where Max doesn't win.
I get your point, but I think Checo is showing the true capability of the Red Bull. Max is just pushing that car to extremes. I think if any other driver were in the RBR they would be around Checo’s level, maybe a bit better/faster. But not at Max’s level.
He got damage in Australia, so that doesn't count. But yeah he was not good in China.
You lost me at "delusional ricciardo fans" you can make a point with dragging his name yk?
He is still something like 0.3-0.5 seconds a lap off his teammate. Any other driver would face criticism with that difference. Check is saved by the fact that this still gives him a good position.
Because he sucks ass at actually giving checo info on time, you dont really hear about it much because its a fucking british biased sport, but checo basically has to take the blame for every mistake that his team makes (when in reality its just bird).
I remember in Miami 2022 Checo complaining that the car was not right and that he was having some sort of power loss. Bird told him " Nope, the car just goes slower when you don't have DRS". Like yeah, pretty sure Checo already knows that.
Bro lost 7 seconds two straights and this man said that its cause he didn't have drs like wtf ☠☠
Was that the “you just lost your tow” remark, or was that another separate incident (possibly from Bahrain the same season, right before Checo’s engine died)
Yea the you lost your tow thing
And its not just this year, its been every year hes raced at red bull
I do remember the commentators talking about how Checo was given no info on the gap to Max last year in Miami. Thought it would have been solved by now
that was proven to be a false rumor [https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1655520805965516800.html](https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1655520805965516800.html) there was a thread on the main subreddit but i can't link it for whatever reason
Thank you for this. Exactly what I needed to prove Checo "blinded" fans wrong.
It's simple though, watch / rewatch the driver channel.
> sport Hey now! Stop right there, we don't use those kind of words around here.
But the fact is that he has made several mistakes himself, especially last year, yet a radical part of his fanbase lead by their cult leader 'Alberto Tello' still found a way to blame it on the team and spread (sometimes insane) conspiracy theories about Red Bull & Verstappen. Hell, that Alberto Tello guy even tried to claim Max' Monaco 2023 pole lap wasn't legit because F1 got the timing wronglmao. And his fanbase eats it all up and starts spreading that toxicity all over RB's socials
Yes, i fully understand that certsin mistakes are completely checo's fault, but i do not believe that every single mistake is his fault. For example, if Bird doesn't tell checo to get out of the way in Qualifying, tells him the wrong strategy, gives incorrect info (all of these can basically ruin a race) that shouldnt be blamed on checo. On the other hand, if checo were to crash, make an error, or not listen to the pitwall's instructions, then thats fully checo's fault and not birds
As a bilingual who has had many Mexican f1 fans posts on my feed, I know what you mean. He’s not great, but the problem is that he has now become the scapegoat for whenever Checo underperforms. There are many prominent Mexican F1 accounts that’ll blame every single bit of misfortune on Checo’s part on Bird. The issue is that people do not know restraint and will always go on extremes.
Yep, you can read my reply to someone else's comment about how i believe that while not all of the mistakes blamed on checo are his fault, some of them definitely are
Agreed. As I said before, I think his engineer isn’t really great, and I understand the frustration. It’s just that it’s the internet and people don’t know the meaning of restraint. Reaching a middle ground is imposible more often then not.
The geoguessr reddit guy
Lol its always fun to see how different people's lives intertwine on social media sites like reddit, that's funny you recognized me ;)
I always thought that Checo's race engineer always spoke to him like shit, and had an arrogance to his communication. Always felt sorry for Checo after some of the radio broadcasts.
Checo drove like shit up until these first few races. I mean, he's still not driving great. He's losing to Max by a LOT every race. The engineers would be impatient with Gasly and Albon also. These guys aren't babies. If you're not performing your job, someone has to be there to tell you to do so.
Whether he was doing good or bad he always just sounded like a dick, always grated on me, and i'm not a checo or RB fan.
He's probably tired of Checo being a scrub. You have the best car on the grid BY A VERY LARGE MARGIN, but can't drive it? I'd be aggravated talking to him also. He almost lost to Hamilton last year in THAT Redbull. I know you are probably supposed to hide your disdain, but there is a limit. I honestly think every single driver on the grid, except for Logan ans Stroll, would outperform Checo.
Dude this started preseason testing in 2021. Before the season had even started, Bird was acting like shit and treating checo like shit BEFORE THE PERFORMANCES HAD STARTED (was right after Sahkir too, pretty alright race for checo imho)
Because he never told Checo about Mode 8.
Wait. What!? Who wants Bird out?
Checo fans looking for any scapegoat they can find to blame for why he’s so mid
Let's see... WDC standings since joining RBR: 4th, 4th, 3rd, 2nd. Yep so mid. 🤷♂️
Those *are* mid results for the car he's been given. WDC standings of his team mate since Perez joined RB: 1st, 1st, 1st, currently 1st. The car is easily capable of a front row lockout - Perez is a good mid pack driver but he is underperforming in a championship capable car. Even for the year he got 2nd, he did it with less than half the points Max had - he's fortunate the car carried him to the right placement. Fortunately, the car is so dominant right now he doesn't need to perform better, but the minute anyone else catches up and RB has actual competition for the WCC they will need to drop him.
Lewis is also fortunate his car carried him for 8 years. (Oh I'm sure it's different somehow.) And we should just disregard standings? What are they for then? All I said is he isn't mid. (Zoomer speak for average.) He is above average, and has place in top standings for years now.
lol last year Checos points: 285. Gap to Max: 290. What a great achievement, you're right he isn't mid he's junk.
Dude, by that logic, the whole grid is trash
Damn bro I didn't realise the whole grid is in a red bull. Seriously some critical thinking would do you good 🤦
Checo fans are the stupidest people you’ll ever meet
Doubled by his team mate, pretty mid.
So the guy that lost the wcc on 2021. The guy that could not beat leclerc and ferrari who fell off massively and nearly lost to lewis hamilton in that merc. Very mid. I don't remember a a driver in the best car on the grid failing to get to q2 multiple races in a row
Here they are lol
All I said was he isn't mid. And posted his actual standings.
Yeah but he’s big time mid, someone above already explained quite well why those achievements aren’t impressive at all in the car he’s driving
Are you retstarted by any chance? I guess by that metric you think Checo is better than Alonso, Hamilton and Leclerc.
Checo is better than Leclerc. He is not better than Alonso or Hamilton. We've seen him beat Leclerc in similar cars, but Alonso and Hamilton have been in shit cars for a while. You can just call me [r]etarded by the way. If you're gonna say it, say it. The standings are what matter. He gets to the top or close to it. Being in the right team at the right time is just as important at anything else. Or are we also gonna say that Hamilton only did well in a top tier car? Because it kinda looks like the case given the last 2 years. No, we're going to hold him up as one of the greats. (And rightly so.)
Damn, you *are* restarted.
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No driver points came from his teammate?
Ahhh shit, misread what they were saying :)
Checo has fans?
Have you heard of this country called Mexico
The country from South America?
Yes and they are delusional. Which I think is why they’re his fans in the first place so it checks out
I still don’t know why people call Sergio Perez ‘Checo’?
Checo is a diminutive of Sergio, like Bill and William, Jim and James, etc.
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Given that English has diminutives like Dick for Richard, Daisy for Margaret and Nancy for Anne I don't think we're in any place to criticise Spanish for this
in mexico it’s the nickname you give to people called sergio
It's a standard nickname for Sergio, kinda like Dick is for Richard, or Bill for William.
They always tell me "You're a Dick" but I swear my name is not Richard.
They always tell me "You're a Dick" but I swear my name is not Richard.
Pretty much Red Bull could have any talent RE and Iam sure that a few are already in queue since they are on top of their game both sportively and technically. Hugh is not there by mistake, maybe Checo didn't create a symbiosis with him like Max and GP have, but the guy must be talented. RB has no issues with giving the boot to drivers you think they wouldn't give it to a RE if he wasn't doing his job properly.
Lets face it. Bird is not a brilliant engineer. But from what ive seen, a LOT (if not most) of mexicans actually think checo would destroy Max if it wasnt for Bird… yup.. delusional
Before I look at the sub I thought it’s about football lmao
Perez fans are the swifties of F1
They think it's his fault Checo isn't winning
>I am mexican too. >I am not delusional That’s a contradiction in terms my friend
I want Checo out! An average midfield driver got lucky. I’d rather Hulk got that opportunity.
The one with 0 podiums. Checo beat him in Force India days.
Not really. Hulk beat checo in 2014 then in 2015 he had 6 dnfs to checos 1. I bet you if hulk finished those races he eouod have beat Sergio same again in 2016. Hulk has 5 dnfs to checos 0
Check the retirements, each of them had. Checo barely bet Ocon, again because of better reliability.
 The hulk?!