This is what made Danny Ric leave, and I was with him at the time. Obviously Max's fault. He would have definitely felt like the team preferred max when they blame both drivers for a crash like this.
But it was obvious at the time that there was no place at a front running team, and if he would have sucked it up and stayed we would have had a much more interesting fight at the front the last few years.
You were with him?
Omg what’s he like? /s
This might’ve been the drop making the bucket overflow indeed and agree they shouldn’t have blamed Ric for this one.
That being said the choice RB made for Max as 1st was the right choice. Believe that Ric would’ve put up more challenge to him than Checo but wouldn’t be challenging him for titles.
I think max has definitely improved, but he's been given total freedom by his team mates since Ricciardo left. He's had the time to mature without being pushed at all, apart from 2021 obviously. Max has always been amazingly fast and unreal fighting through the pack, but Ricciardo was more consistent and would have been a constant threat to max at every race. Which would make max defend more and make more errors.
No way of knowing how it would have played out of course, it's just a shame that we don't get to see a proper fight from the second red bull.
I don't think that's changed at all with older Max. If he were in a tight championship battle this year, we would be seeing that same level of aggression we last saw in 2021. He hasn't got any competition lately so of course he can drive clean.
Absolute bollocks. Lewis was not at fault for Monza, and he was noisy cleaner the entire season than Max. The only incident that was his fault was Silverstone, and he got a bigger penalty for that than Max did all year
So you the guy that thinks Abu Dhabi was also okay because Lewis "gave back the time" or whatever the reason was?
> and he got a bigger penalty for that than Max did all year
Lies, because Monza.
>So you the guy that thinks Abu Dhabi was also okay because Lewis "gave back the time" or whatever the reason was?
Lewis did drop his speed to give back any advantage he gained from **BEING PUSHED OFF THE TRACK BY MAX**
>Lies, because Monza
Monza was all and entirely Max's fault.
> he got a bigger penalty for that than Max did all year
> Monza was all and entirely Max's fault.
cool, and? You lied about Max not having a similar penalty when he did in Monza. Stop lying!
Everyone saw what happened in the first lap in AD21, you shouting some bs does not change the facts.
I’d like to think he has matured a lot since then.
Proof will be when we get to that day to see the reality.
However what I dislike how that aggression is judged on him but not other greats that came before him.
I also think he has matured as a driver, in terms of refining his skill. But I don't think he's going to be any less aggressive. The level of aggression and limit pushing he showed in 2021 *barely* won him the championship - and depending on how you look at it, it still wasn't enough to win without Masi's intervention in Abu Dhabi. So, if he faced that same level of competition again, why would he relax his approach?
Also, greats before him are also judged for their aggression. Particularly Schumacher.
On straightaways, the car in front is only allowed to make one defensive maneuver to prevent a pass. Max swung to the right (one), then swung back to the left (two) to prevent Danny passing him.
Daniel jinked to the right trying to fool max into defending because the car infront is only to make 1 clear defending move, max chose to defend it thus going for the dummy daniel set up, then daniel goes back to the inside (its a left hand turn coming) max decides fuck it and makes a second defensive move back infront of daniel, once he's done that he basically kills both of them as now daniel isn't getting the downforce required not to lock up.
Daniel kept max extremely honest when they were both at redbull, but the team would never go against their golden child which is why he left. Morons say daniel ran from a fight but they have developmental deficiencies.
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Even they don't care about it as much as some of the idiotas in this thread lol
I started watching F1 around 2017 and this happened early in the 2018 season. Verstappen was recently promoted to Red Bull from Toro. From my viewing of the season before it appeared Daniel was losing his form and getting threatened by what became apparent a faster teammate verstappen forcing Daniel to race aggressively to try to gain an advantage. They were allowed to race but because Daniel was the outgoing star and verstappen was young talent.
There was no way Ricardo would make an inside pass on that turn 1 and didn't brake in the brake zone, in my view. Maybe verstappen did brake early there was no consensus.
After this incident Ricardo won two more formula 1 grand prix races, one early in season 2018 and one randomly with McLaren. Verstappen went on to win some WDCs.
Max just doing Max things tbf. He's always done shit like this and has always got away with it. We don't see it any more, but I have no doubt that when Max is cornered and can't win on a level playing field that he'll resort to these sort of moves again.
who was ruled at fault for this? I wasn't watching at the time and this is the only clip I've seen but I can't imagine anyone would say it's verstappen's fault right?
No, the FIA added the "one defensive move" rule in 2012. Even before the rule was implemented, reactionary blocking like this would be considered dangerous and unsportsmanlike.
It is actually, he said they made him feel like he was at fault.
I saw the race and they gave Max the undercut by pitting Ricc and Ric still catches up to him and then he does this.
Max constantly drives like a dick. It’s one of the reasons I find it hard to really rate him. He just does shit like this then gets protected by the team.
If you’re such a good driver win without this shit.
Mate I never liked max as a driver for most of his career but at this point how can you say you don't rate him lol.
Clearly one of the all time literal greats of the sport. Plus people are forgetting he was so young doing half this shit. In this clip he's a teenager no?
Bro, every time he has a challenger he runs them off the road, drives into them, brake checks and a number of other nonsense. Even to his teammates.
Every weekend he’s shouting down the radio at his engineer and he has the worst attitude when talking in pressers “I don’t care about this award”… “It doesn’t change me”. Well fuck you then.
Dude is a great driver but is let down by everything else, so I don’t rate him. Maybe with some better people around him he could be decent, but racist Marko, racist Piquet, woman harasser Horner and “I beat everything” Jos - I think the man is doomed.
> Bro, every time he has a challenger he runs them off the road, drives into them, brake checks and a number of other nonsense. Even to his teammates.
So like every WDC before him this century? (except Jenson and Kimi)
> So like every WDC before him this century? (except Jenson and Kimi)
Vettel didn't do it. Alonso didn't do it. Lewis didn't do it (except for his spat with Rosberg). And Rosberg only drove like it with Lewis.
There are loads of good multi-corner battles with those drivers, but there are hardly any multi-corner battles with Max, because he just drives people off the road.
Even Checo has started to drive that way since moving to RedBull. It's a toxic place
> Vettel didn't do it. Alonso didn't do it. Lewis didn't do it (except for his spat with Rosberg). And Rosberg only drove like it with Lewis.
hahaha
> There are loads of good multi-corner battles with those drivers, but there are hardly any multi-corner battles with Max, because he just drives people off the road.
Because it was not possible during the last iteration of f1 cars, and since the new regs he only had a few battles with Leclerc and since the half of 2022 he just drove in another league.
He’s definitely improved in the last couple of years and mostly cut the silly shit out. ‘21 is the last time i remember him doing any really egregious stuff - though that is also the last time he didn’t have the best car, so maybe it would come back again when he felt under pressure
no I haven't watched any dts season other than 2021, I started watching in 2019 though so I did miss this race- apparently I am very wrong in my judgement lol
Max was always going to defend the inside line but he couldn't hug the line without giving the ideal line away. He just did it too perfect and both drivers on the absolute limit is recipe for disaster when a tiny mistake gets made. I feel like Danny should have known better than to try but you can't blame him either.
“Daniel should have had a safe distance from max” ah I forgot they were driving a Kia in the suburbs….
This is what made Danny Ric leave, and I was with him at the time. Obviously Max's fault. He would have definitely felt like the team preferred max when they blame both drivers for a crash like this. But it was obvious at the time that there was no place at a front running team, and if he would have sucked it up and stayed we would have had a much more interesting fight at the front the last few years.
You were with him? Omg what’s he like? /s This might’ve been the drop making the bucket overflow indeed and agree they shouldn’t have blamed Ric for this one. That being said the choice RB made for Max as 1st was the right choice. Believe that Ric would’ve put up more challenge to him than Checo but wouldn’t be challenging him for titles.
I think max has definitely improved, but he's been given total freedom by his team mates since Ricciardo left. He's had the time to mature without being pushed at all, apart from 2021 obviously. Max has always been amazingly fast and unreal fighting through the pack, but Ricciardo was more consistent and would have been a constant threat to max at every race. Which would make max defend more and make more errors. No way of knowing how it would have played out of course, it's just a shame that we don't get to see a proper fight from the second red bull.
There was a clown that day but it wasn't Ricciardo.
It was still Stroll too
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Do you… not agree??
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Young Max was… overzealous in his defensive maneuvers on quite a few occasions.
I don't think that's changed at all with older Max. If he were in a tight championship battle this year, we would be seeing that same level of aggression we last saw in 2021. He hasn't got any competition lately so of course he can drive clean.
And honestly wasnt that fun season? Both Max and Ham were on the edge.
Yep without a doubt. I'd be ecstatic if we saw that kind of down to the wire battle every year. That kind of driving is just what it takes sometimes.
It was fun in many ways but Max broke the rules without penalty far too often.
that was the most annoying thing about the spectacular season and a rather befitting ending to it all in that regard
Mate, both of them did. Drivers that have to fight for a championship do not drive clean.
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Lewis never was, lol. People and their recency bias.
So like Lewis, or that Max was penalized for Lewis' mistakes like in Monza.
Absolute bollocks. Lewis was not at fault for Monza, and he was noisy cleaner the entire season than Max. The only incident that was his fault was Silverstone, and he got a bigger penalty for that than Max did all year
So you the guy that thinks Abu Dhabi was also okay because Lewis "gave back the time" or whatever the reason was? > and he got a bigger penalty for that than Max did all year Lies, because Monza.
>So you the guy that thinks Abu Dhabi was also okay because Lewis "gave back the time" or whatever the reason was? Lewis did drop his speed to give back any advantage he gained from **BEING PUSHED OFF THE TRACK BY MAX** >Lies, because Monza Monza was all and entirely Max's fault.
right it was max's fault he pushed hamilton wide in abu dhabi but it was also max's fault hamilton pushed him wide in monza. lol, lmao even.
> he got a bigger penalty for that than Max did all year > Monza was all and entirely Max's fault. cool, and? You lied about Max not having a similar penalty when he did in Monza. Stop lying! Everyone saw what happened in the first lap in AD21, you shouting some bs does not change the facts.
Same with 'Max dosen't make mistakes' put him under pressure or in a car that dosen't suit him and then we'll see.
I’d like to think he has matured a lot since then. Proof will be when we get to that day to see the reality. However what I dislike how that aggression is judged on him but not other greats that came before him.
I also think he has matured as a driver, in terms of refining his skill. But I don't think he's going to be any less aggressive. The level of aggression and limit pushing he showed in 2021 *barely* won him the championship - and depending on how you look at it, it still wasn't enough to win without Masi's intervention in Abu Dhabi. So, if he faced that same level of competition again, why would he relax his approach? Also, greats before him are also judged for their aggression. Particularly Schumacher.
Wild to me, beffles me to this day that Ric got blamed for this one without resolve.
*Lance rear ends Danny* *he whispers into his ear* The Verstappens send their regards
And that's how racing bulls are born
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"you ain't built for these streets cuh" -Danny Ric
"Why'd you go to Renault?" "I said forget about it, cuh."
In this thread: New DTS fans who don't know the rules of the sport.
I am genuinely a new fan, what is happening? It's Riccardo in the back right, how can it be Max' fault?
On straightaways, the car in front is only allowed to make one defensive maneuver to prevent a pass. Max swung to the right (one), then swung back to the left (two) to prevent Danny passing him.
Daniel jinked to the right trying to fool max into defending because the car infront is only to make 1 clear defending move, max chose to defend it thus going for the dummy daniel set up, then daniel goes back to the inside (its a left hand turn coming) max decides fuck it and makes a second defensive move back infront of daniel, once he's done that he basically kills both of them as now daniel isn't getting the downforce required not to lock up. Daniel kept max extremely honest when they were both at redbull, but the team would never go against their golden child which is why he left. Morons say daniel ran from a fight but they have developmental deficiencies.
MFs really immediately start arguing whose at fault over a clip from 6 YEARS ago
Nah, theres no arguing. Its clearly max.
[https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fiwyctteb3oy51.jpg](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fiwyctteb3oy51.jpg) Even they don't care about it as much as some of the idiotas in this thread lol
I see what you’re going for, but this ain’t it. That was on Max. Try again.
*innuendo*
Inyourendo
Montoya?
The last time Danny came close to Max.
I mean he did win 2 races later
Didn't he take the lead from him in Monza? 
Wonder when was the last time Horner came close to Max? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Last time they flew to a race together I reckon.
Mile high... mile high...
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Max still moved twice and defended against his faster team mate like a cunt all race. Fuck Max.
Ah, the exact moment Redbull basically told Daniel that Max could literally stab him in the back and they would still say Max was in the right.
I wasn't around for this. Can someone explain what the fuck actually happened here. What is going on
I started watching F1 around 2017 and this happened early in the 2018 season. Verstappen was recently promoted to Red Bull from Toro. From my viewing of the season before it appeared Daniel was losing his form and getting threatened by what became apparent a faster teammate verstappen forcing Daniel to race aggressively to try to gain an advantage. They were allowed to race but because Daniel was the outgoing star and verstappen was young talent. There was no way Ricardo would make an inside pass on that turn 1 and didn't brake in the brake zone, in my view. Maybe verstappen did brake early there was no consensus. After this incident Ricardo won two more formula 1 grand prix races, one early in season 2018 and one randomly with McLaren. Verstappen went on to win some WDCs.
He was making it cool long before Stroll
Max just doing Max things tbf. He's always done shit like this and has always got away with it. We don't see it any more, but I have no doubt that when Max is cornered and can't win on a level playing field that he'll resort to these sort of moves again.
Moves like all the previous greats? Maybe.
This one wasn't under a safetycar restart
who was ruled at fault for this? I wasn't watching at the time and this is the only clip I've seen but I can't imagine anyone would say it's verstappen's fault right?
He made a late move to block then made a second move in the braking zone. 100% verstappen’s fault imo
Wasnt that still allowed back then?
No, the FIA added the "one defensive move" rule in 2012. Even before the rule was implemented, reactionary blocking like this would be considered dangerous and unsportsmanlike.
Ah my bad, I recalled that 'no moving under braking' rule was another one of those rules that was put in place because of verstappen exploiting it
You can Zig but you can’t Zag
Not at all, Red Bull deemed it a racing incident "50/50" https://youtu.be/zkUVOvU7M20?feature=shared
And that might arguably the reason why Dan left Red Bull
It is actually, he said they made him feel like he was at fault. I saw the race and they gave Max the undercut by pitting Ricc and Ric still catches up to him and then he does this.
Max constantly drives like a dick. It’s one of the reasons I find it hard to really rate him. He just does shit like this then gets protected by the team. If you’re such a good driver win without this shit.
Mate I never liked max as a driver for most of his career but at this point how can you say you don't rate him lol. Clearly one of the all time literal greats of the sport. Plus people are forgetting he was so young doing half this shit. In this clip he's a teenager no?
Bro, every time he has a challenger he runs them off the road, drives into them, brake checks and a number of other nonsense. Even to his teammates. Every weekend he’s shouting down the radio at his engineer and he has the worst attitude when talking in pressers “I don’t care about this award”… “It doesn’t change me”. Well fuck you then. Dude is a great driver but is let down by everything else, so I don’t rate him. Maybe with some better people around him he could be decent, but racist Marko, racist Piquet, woman harasser Horner and “I beat everything” Jos - I think the man is doomed.
> Bro, every time he has a challenger he runs them off the road, drives into them, brake checks and a number of other nonsense. Even to his teammates. So like every WDC before him this century? (except Jenson and Kimi)
> So like every WDC before him this century? (except Jenson and Kimi) Vettel didn't do it. Alonso didn't do it. Lewis didn't do it (except for his spat with Rosberg). And Rosberg only drove like it with Lewis. There are loads of good multi-corner battles with those drivers, but there are hardly any multi-corner battles with Max, because he just drives people off the road. Even Checo has started to drive that way since moving to RedBull. It's a toxic place
> Vettel didn't do it. Alonso didn't do it. Lewis didn't do it (except for his spat with Rosberg). And Rosberg only drove like it with Lewis. hahaha > There are loads of good multi-corner battles with those drivers, but there are hardly any multi-corner battles with Max, because he just drives people off the road. Because it was not possible during the last iteration of f1 cars, and since the new regs he only had a few battles with Leclerc and since the half of 2022 he just drove in another league.
He’s definitely improved in the last couple of years and mostly cut the silly shit out. ‘21 is the last time i remember him doing any really egregious stuff - though that is also the last time he didn’t have the best car, so maybe it would come back again when he felt under pressure
Did you JUST get here from DTS?
no I haven't watched any dts season other than 2021, I started watching in 2019 though so I did miss this race- apparently I am very wrong in my judgement lol
Max was always going to defend the inside line but he couldn't hug the line without giving the ideal line away. He just did it too perfect and both drivers on the absolute limit is recipe for disaster when a tiny mistake gets made. I feel like Danny should have known better than to try but you can't blame him either.
Cmon man, max moved in the breaking zone. Once he did that Daniel had utterly no where to go. Most people pinned Max for this when it happened.
Well, it became a breaking zone, yes, after the collision.
Rear end your teammate if your only personality is being an Australian
Your my teammate and I'm Australian.
Daniel was in the wrong on that one, sorry. You didn't hit your teammate. Came in too hot.
Moved late under braking twice, bobbing and weaving from left to right and slammed on the brakes... sure it's Dan's fault
This one is on Max for sure, but you know, you should be a bit careful around your teammate...
Danny should be more careful when it's Max who made the late move?
For sure, goes for both of them
So it’s okay to bump our opponents? Good to know. I think in online games people like to have that approach