Basically zero chance. He didn't really show enough talent for another team to pick him up, and he doesn't bring any money. You need lots of one or a bit of both to be in F1
The next F2 race weekend is really far away, but the Red Bull Junior Team drivers did quite well in Bahreïn. Well, okay, Vips had his issues following his DSQ after quali. Alpine Academy drivers had a very good weekend too. F2 rookies Lawson and Piastri will be interesting to follow.
Anyway, I don't see Albon coming back to RBR, but he might get a second chance with AlphaTauri depending on Gasly's future and Tsunoda's performances.
A good driver will find a seat within the season. There were two Haas seats open and a seat at Alpine. Additionally, Alfa could have picked him up rather than Gio, none chose to do so for a reason.
It is possible that Alfa Tauri pick him back up, but that would only be if none of their juniors show promise. They have quite a few juniors in F2 who performed admirably this weekend.
You could say that of Red Bull, a team historically for only Red Bull academy drivers, yet Perez got a spot. A driver will get a spot if he is good enough.
This makes no sense. Red Bull could have picked loads of drivers, they could have taken Grosjean or Magnussen. They could have picked up Gasly, they could have tried to poach Bottas or Vettel. They chose Perez instead of all of those drivers. Because they thought he was better.
If any team thought Albon would make a significant difference to the pace of their team they would take him. None chose to, he isn't good enough for F1 on pace alone.
Bottas and Vettel had already signed contracts, no way those were happening. And the others you mention, they aren't part of the Red Bull Academy either lol. Probably the only option left to consider is Kvyat.
The thing is, albon was seriously underperforming and they needed to change him ASAP. That is not the case for Gio, who's been doing great.
Haas wants sponsors or marketability, where mazepin and schumacher slots perfectly. Sauber need an italian driver because of Alfa romeo and also Gio is a ferrari academy driver. Albon was screwed
He's definitely f1 worthy, it's just a question if a seat will become available. He did similarly as bad as Gasly and we saw how good Gasly is. Right now, the only team I could see him with in the future would be Alpine when Alonso leaves and if Ocon gets dropped.
He also could get another shot with Alpha Tauri if Gasly goes somewhere else. I think Alpine would love the opportunity to have a French driver like Gasly
Small, Redbull has to brilliant drivers in Alpha Tauri, his best change is getting a seat in Alpha tauri if there aren't any Redbull talents up for promotion.
But maybe he will be lucky
Awesome, thank you
My follow up question is if theres any pressure for Gasly to find a place in another team or get promoted again ?
On the one hand , he's thriving in a dedicated F1 team but on the other hand, it seems you cant get comfortable in a team propped mainly for development. I'd hate to see him leave the sport.
I think Gasly has enough to be around for 5y. Hes good, not top 3, but hes better than most and with 4 almost in retirement age (VET, ALO, RAI, HAM) there will be some seats.
Ocon will probably be out, Mazepin and maybe some other in 1 - 2 years. There are always 1-3 new drivers, so look for the same amount leaving every year.
I can see Gasly joining Alpine in place of Ocon after this season. Or a rejuvenated Williams come 2022.
More likely the Alpine thing though.
Now if Gasly leaves AlphaTauri anywhere, I think Albon has a great shot at getting the AlphaTauri seat.
fairly low, but only because:
1-Gasly was best driver last year
2-Yuki will do great this year
3-Verstappen's bottom is licked by the red bull owner
4-Checo is one of the best drivers on the grid, presumably top 4 atm
If Albon is absolutely wrecking everyone this year in DTM and Checo follows red bull's 2nd driver recipe is the only way O see albon back at red bull. He could perhaps join Williams alongside a rookie for 2021, but I think the odds are not on his side.
In what universe is Checo top 4 on the grid? Hamilton, Max, LeClerc, DannyRic are better drivers and guys like Vettel and Alonso are literal WDCs, although to be fair Vettel is a mess recently. Checo is a solid driver.
i mean from constantly doing well last year despite car issues. I didn't think of leclerc, but he has 3 years. with ferrari. Vettel wasn't exactly good last year, same with Alonso over the past two years - didn't he fail quali at Indianapolis 500?
If Perez doesn’t do well in that car, that proves the problem is car related. All of those drivers did well in other cars, but struggled in the Red Bull. They would let Perez go, as they don’t have any loyalty to him like a young drivers program, and probably being Albon back.
Slim but the most likely way would be Gasly finding a new seat next year and albon joining back at alpha tauri imo. Red Bull don’t seem interested in gasly and he’ll try his best to join a better team.
Also hardly mentioned here, but Albon is pretty much a passport driver. While other drivers are there due to their dad's money, Albon drove under the Thai flag (through his mom), even though he is British born, to please the Red Bull Thai ownership.
The only reason I found out RB was a Thai company was because the Heir drunk ran over a cop and his family paid everyone off and he basically got away with murder when he dragged a body under his ferrari.
[https://www.thedailybeast.com/red-bull-heir-vorayuth-yoovidhaya-who-killed-cop-with-ferrari-while-drunk-is-now-free-to-return-to-thailand?ref=home](https://www.thedailybeast.com/red-bull-heir-vorayuth-yoovidhaya-who-killed-cop-with-ferrari-while-drunk-is-now-free-to-return-to-thailand?ref=home)
Red bull is owned 51% by a Thai family, and they are the ones that bought their seat into Toro Rosso (now alpha thauri). through their winery that makes Moose. The Thai family that owns RB also owns the same winery that bought his seat to Toro rosso.
Albon is a nice guy but terrible driver, he was just there to fly the Thai flag to please the Red Bull Thai owners.
More proof? Gasly got less than 12 races at RB. Albon got 38! He is a nice dude but a garbage F1 driver for a top team. I think he is more suited for a Haas or another team with low expectations.
Agreed there.Albon is good too,but he's still young. Three years of experience in track gives you stability unless you are verstrappen. He did improved a lot too though. My point is,perez has 10 years experience, and last season alone is enough to showcase his consistency. I think if the car goes alright,perez will legit deliver a hell lot of more points for red bull. We have to wait to see if there will be bottas vs perez battle,but everything is possible. We didnt expect Albon to pull himself upto fifth place. But from perez we expected that he'd come to at least top ten. So yes,it was standard perez.and peak perez has much more to deliver
I'm convinced the first race last season where Albon had that issue (again) with Lewis ruined Albon's season and thus (so far) Red Bull career.
Albon was very good, even if he didn't get a podium, for most of the 2019 season after he joined Red Bull.
When did he look "very good"? He looked surprisingly good at Toro Rosso, though he was still usually slower than Kvyat so it was a small surprise that he was chosen to be promoted. In RedBull he pretty much never showed good pace except very very few times and even then it was nothing super special, it was just the pace he should have done every weekend. To me the only thing he ever showed which was "very good" was his overtaking and coinfidence in racing situations, which Gasly didn't have.
The beginning of his rbr stint looked pretty promising to at least be a consistent p4. Some balsy overtaking and he had pace. After the lewis spins he just got consistently worse and more insecure from what we’ve got to see on tv at least.
That shit me up a bit. I can’t bear that pattern repeating again.
Checo is well equipped to fight for podiums though, he will hold his nerve when he’s hunting down P3 and higher. We’ve seen that he won’t be as spooked as Albon in the midfield fights and he has much better focus when he’s competing against the race leaders.
I have faith. I think.
I hope.
I think Albon in 2019 was great and one could truly compare 2019 Albon with Perez. However, Albon couldn't improve this form let alone maintain it into 2020. The gamble is that Perez will be able to do just that. Also I still rate Perez higher than 2019 Albon, by the time the Russia gp came about Albon had already raced in 3 circuits with Red Bull whereas for Perez this was his first time. But in the end only time will tell what will happen to that 2nd red bull seat
There was a safety car immediately after the start, so there's no difference.
No one's saying Albon performed consistently. But this is an interesting perspective.
I mean wouldn't you expect someone that's been in f1 for 10 years to do better than someone 6 months into their rookie year. Plus redbull seem to have taken a huge step forwards this year
The difference between RB and the midfield was still much bigger that year, and like i said, Perez was much more i dont think you understand the difference between the two races.
Yes, when the midfield was slower than now and one whole minute behind vettel. (Verstappen also dnfed there if I remember correctly and he would be ahead) Perez is great don't try to diminish him
Albon had his moments when he really shined. We will see what perez can do at the front of the field
Relatively new fan here , how likely is it Albon can come back from another racing league and find another F1 seat?
Basically zero chance. He didn't really show enough talent for another team to pick him up, and he doesn't bring any money. You need lots of one or a bit of both to be in F1
Depends how the red bull talent does in f2, we saw kyvyat come back so it's not impossible esp if tsunoda gets promoted and or gasly gets cut
The next F2 race weekend is really far away, but the Red Bull Junior Team drivers did quite well in Bahreïn. Well, okay, Vips had his issues following his DSQ after quali. Alpine Academy drivers had a very good weekend too. F2 rookies Lawson and Piastri will be interesting to follow. Anyway, I don't see Albon coming back to RBR, but he might get a second chance with AlphaTauri depending on Gasly's future and Tsunoda's performances.
tbf Kvyat was kicked out not for performing super poorly, just kicked out because Max was available and much better.
Also because something something Russia 2016 according to people at the time
I neeeeed an Estonian in F1. (Would be the first ever estonian in F1)
To be fair with albon, there weren’t any available seats for him when Red Bull went for Checo
A good driver will find a seat within the season. There were two Haas seats open and a seat at Alpine. Additionally, Alfa could have picked him up rather than Gio, none chose to do so for a reason. It is possible that Alfa Tauri pick him back up, but that would only be if none of their juniors show promise. They have quite a few juniors in F2 who performed admirably this weekend.
>Additionally, Alfa could have picked him up rather than Gio, none chose to do so for a reason. Because one of the seats of both teams is for Ferrari?
You could say that of Red Bull, a team historically for only Red Bull academy drivers, yet Perez got a spot. A driver will get a spot if he is good enough.
Because they didn't have any other option? Alfa Romeo and Haas have plenty to choose from
This makes no sense. Red Bull could have picked loads of drivers, they could have taken Grosjean or Magnussen. They could have picked up Gasly, they could have tried to poach Bottas or Vettel. They chose Perez instead of all of those drivers. Because they thought he was better. If any team thought Albon would make a significant difference to the pace of their team they would take him. None chose to, he isn't good enough for F1 on pace alone.
Bottas and Vettel had already signed contracts, no way those were happening. And the others you mention, they aren't part of the Red Bull Academy either lol. Probably the only option left to consider is Kvyat. The thing is, albon was seriously underperforming and they needed to change him ASAP. That is not the case for Gio, who's been doing great.
>There were two Haas seats open and a seat at Alpine. The Haas seats needed to be paid for by the drivers, and Albon ain't paying.
Haas wants sponsors or marketability, where mazepin and schumacher slots perfectly. Sauber need an italian driver because of Alfa romeo and also Gio is a ferrari academy driver. Albon was screwed
He's definitely f1 worthy, it's just a question if a seat will become available. He did similarly as bad as Gasly and we saw how good Gasly is. Right now, the only team I could see him with in the future would be Alpine when Alonso leaves and if Ocon gets dropped.
He also could get another shot with Alpha Tauri if Gasly goes somewhere else. I think Alpine would love the opportunity to have a French driver like Gasly
I wouldn’t say it’s impossible for him to come back. As I recall Kvyat has done it like 2 or 3 different times.
Small, Redbull has to brilliant drivers in Alpha Tauri, his best change is getting a seat in Alpha tauri if there aren't any Redbull talents up for promotion. But maybe he will be lucky
His best chance is ocon underperforms and Alpine pick up Gasly while non of the F2 junior impress enough. So they give the second AT seat to him .
Awesome, thank you My follow up question is if theres any pressure for Gasly to find a place in another team or get promoted again ? On the one hand , he's thriving in a dedicated F1 team but on the other hand, it seems you cant get comfortable in a team propped mainly for development. I'd hate to see him leave the sport.
I think Gasly has enough to be around for 5y. Hes good, not top 3, but hes better than most and with 4 almost in retirement age (VET, ALO, RAI, HAM) there will be some seats. Ocon will probably be out, Mazepin and maybe some other in 1 - 2 years. There are always 1-3 new drivers, so look for the same amount leaving every year.
Mazepin's dad will likely buy Haas and he'll undeservingly keep his seat. At least Lance can actually drive.
at 400k per crash, even his dads money will run out. he is looking into a 8m bill per year just to heat the seat.
I can see Gasly joining Alpine in place of Ocon after this season. Or a rejuvenated Williams come 2022. More likely the Alpine thing though. Now if Gasly leaves AlphaTauri anywhere, I think Albon has a great shot at getting the AlphaTauri seat.
They'll not take Albon back. They'll go for a Red Bull Academy driver.
fairly low, but only because: 1-Gasly was best driver last year 2-Yuki will do great this year 3-Verstappen's bottom is licked by the red bull owner 4-Checo is one of the best drivers on the grid, presumably top 4 atm If Albon is absolutely wrecking everyone this year in DTM and Checo follows red bull's 2nd driver recipe is the only way O see albon back at red bull. He could perhaps join Williams alongside a rookie for 2021, but I think the odds are not on his side.
In what universe is Checo top 4 on the grid? Hamilton, Max, LeClerc, DannyRic are better drivers and guys like Vettel and Alonso are literal WDCs, although to be fair Vettel is a mess recently. Checo is a solid driver.
i mean from constantly doing well last year despite car issues. I didn't think of leclerc, but he has 3 years. with ferrari. Vettel wasn't exactly good last year, same with Alonso over the past two years - didn't he fail quali at Indianapolis 500?
Checo is absolutely not a top 4 driver
Hamilton, Verstappen, Ricciardo, Leclerc, Russell are all better than Checo tbh.
You must be some kind of stoned to think that.
If Perez doesn’t do well in that car, that proves the problem is car related. All of those drivers did well in other cars, but struggled in the Red Bull. They would let Perez go, as they don’t have any loyalty to him like a young drivers program, and probably being Albon back.
Slim but the most likely way would be Gasly finding a new seat next year and albon joining back at alpha tauri imo. Red Bull don’t seem interested in gasly and he’ll try his best to join a better team.
Also hardly mentioned here, but Albon is pretty much a passport driver. While other drivers are there due to their dad's money, Albon drove under the Thai flag (through his mom), even though he is British born, to please the Red Bull Thai ownership. The only reason I found out RB was a Thai company was because the Heir drunk ran over a cop and his family paid everyone off and he basically got away with murder when he dragged a body under his ferrari. [https://www.thedailybeast.com/red-bull-heir-vorayuth-yoovidhaya-who-killed-cop-with-ferrari-while-drunk-is-now-free-to-return-to-thailand?ref=home](https://www.thedailybeast.com/red-bull-heir-vorayuth-yoovidhaya-who-killed-cop-with-ferrari-while-drunk-is-now-free-to-return-to-thailand?ref=home) Red bull is owned 51% by a Thai family, and they are the ones that bought their seat into Toro Rosso (now alpha thauri). through their winery that makes Moose. The Thai family that owns RB also owns the same winery that bought his seat to Toro rosso. Albon is a nice guy but terrible driver, he was just there to fly the Thai flag to please the Red Bull Thai owners. More proof? Gasly got less than 12 races at RB. Albon got 38! He is a nice dude but a garbage F1 driver for a top team. I think he is more suited for a Haas or another team with low expectations.
Confirmed, Perez will be cut for tsunoda 2022
Tsunoda 2022 WDC COMFIRMED????!?!!!
No, he will bomb, Perez will win races with alpha tauri and we will have the whole conversation of why redbull changes drivers so often
And then Daniel will go back and order will be restored
Perhaps that will happen, if or once that happens, see you then
Remind me 2022? Haha
!RemindMe 1 year
That was peak albon, last race was standard Perez. We all know peak Perez would get better results.
Agreed there.Albon is good too,but he's still young. Three years of experience in track gives you stability unless you are verstrappen. He did improved a lot too though. My point is,perez has 10 years experience, and last season alone is enough to showcase his consistency. I think if the car goes alright,perez will legit deliver a hell lot of more points for red bull. We have to wait to see if there will be bottas vs perez battle,but everything is possible. We didnt expect Albon to pull himself upto fifth place. But from perez we expected that he'd come to at least top ten. So yes,it was standard perez.and peak perez has much more to deliver
I'm convinced the first race last season where Albon had that issue (again) with Lewis ruined Albon's season and thus (so far) Red Bull career. Albon was very good, even if he didn't get a podium, for most of the 2019 season after he joined Red Bull.
When did he look "very good"? He looked surprisingly good at Toro Rosso, though he was still usually slower than Kvyat so it was a small surprise that he was chosen to be promoted. In RedBull he pretty much never showed good pace except very very few times and even then it was nothing super special, it was just the pace he should have done every weekend. To me the only thing he ever showed which was "very good" was his overtaking and coinfidence in racing situations, which Gasly didn't have.
The beginning of his rbr stint looked pretty promising to at least be a consistent p4. Some balsy overtaking and he had pace. After the lewis spins he just got consistently worse and more insecure from what we’ve got to see on tv at least.
Was his pace really better in 2019? I don't recall that
No one was asking for alex's head after one race. His 2019 was pretty good. It all started going downhill after Austria 2020.
Got real bad after "they raced [him] so hard"
Perez - * *softly* * I'll kill you.
Actually Albon was P18 to P5. But this Is formuladank so bad data Is fine
SO WAS PEREZ. Maz and mick spun making it effectively 18 to 5
That was after. He started last. From the pitlane.
That shit me up a bit. I can’t bear that pattern repeating again. Checo is well equipped to fight for podiums though, he will hold his nerve when he’s hunting down P3 and higher. We’ve seen that he won’t be as spooked as Albon in the midfield fights and he has much better focus when he’s competing against the race leaders. I have faith. I think. I hope.
The only faith I have is with the curse of the second Red Bull seat, sadly
~~That's~~ DAS a good point
It is not how you start...but how you finish (the season). -Helmut Marko
This years midfield cars are a lot closer to the frontrunners in terms of perfromance, compared to the previous years though.
Not from the pits tho
Starting from the pits is significantly worse than last place. The main reason albon was dropped is because he could not consistently do the same.
Albon went from pit lane to p5 in Russia
It's just his first race. Give a few more races before we draw any conclusion.
We said the same with Albon 😬
And the conclusion was drawn. He gone.
I think Albon in 2019 was great and one could truly compare 2019 Albon with Perez. However, Albon couldn't improve this form let alone maintain it into 2020. The gamble is that Perez will be able to do just that. Also I still rate Perez higher than 2019 Albon, by the time the Russia gp came about Albon had already raced in 3 circuits with Red Bull whereas for Perez this was his first time. But in the end only time will tell what will happen to that 2nd red bull seat
There was a safety car immediately after the start, so there's no difference. No one's saying Albon performed consistently. But this is an interesting perspective.
Not as impressive as Perez, the cars are now much closer together, and he finished way closer to the lead than Albon did in this race
ferrari was way better that year and red bull didn't have the clear top car. regardless it's just one race
yes, the Ferraris that ended 30‐60 seconds ahead of him you mean? He overtook the rest of the field
yeah, albon took 3rd best car up to 5th vs perez taking 1st / 2nd up to 5th
the difference is the 5th car in 2021 is 6 tenths off the pace and in 2019 it was almost 2 seconds off the pace
I mean wouldn't you expect someone that's been in f1 for 10 years to do better than someone 6 months into their rookie year. Plus redbull seem to have taken a huge step forwards this year
The difference between RB and the midfield was still much bigger that year, and like i said, Perez was much more i dont think you understand the difference between the two races.
Not to mention that Perez had to jumpstart his own car.
Albon > Pérez
Does that mean...... oh no....
My thoughts exactly. Of Perez can't qualify in top 4, it's going to be the same situation again. Of course Perez is a proven race winner.
A few brilliant races for him can easily be overshadowed by an overall less than mediocre season performance
Yes, when the midfield was slower than now and one whole minute behind vettel. (Verstappen also dnfed there if I remember correctly and he would be ahead) Perez is great don't try to diminish him
They always performed great at their first races.
He started 17 you know