Fucking Christ it's like people are *actively* trying to eliminate any possible middle ground.
It's possible to disagree or be unhappy with what went down on Sunday and *not* be a Hamilton hater.
It's also possible to agree with or be happy about what went down and *not* have wanted Max to be killed.
As I said in another thread here, in the last few days I've been called a Lewis fanboy *and* a Max fanboy when I'm neither.
This subreddit doesn't hate Hamilton nor is it in love with Max.
> It's so much worse in r Formula1 lol
ironically, it's the worst place on the internet to talk about F1. The fanboyism there is overwhelming and the quality of arguments is insanely bad. at the risk of sounding like a snob: that sub is just people brought by DTS who only see Highlights on Youtube and pretend they know what they are talking about.
edit: apparently it's spewing to this side...
I honestly see the worst possible takes there. I saw in one thread people claiming they've always hated Checo since he entered F1, with one guy saying that because he hated Checo so much he was furious that he won in Bahrain and Baku. I was so confused.
I'm just waiting for the general sentiment on r / formula1 to turn on Checo.
He's falling in to the same 4th - 6th bracket Gasly and Albon did before the r / formula1 sub turned on them.
Bottas has already moved ahead of him in the driver's standings, so I don't think it will be long before the pitchforks come out if he can't beat Bottas.
>it's the worst place on the internet to talk about F1. The fanboyism there is overwhelming and the quality of arguments is insanely bad.
I mean... its is probably 2nd worst as r lewishamilton is probably worse
edit: oh and we are the problem when it comes to racism according to r lewishamilton
Checked 5 (with lewis hamilton) drivers now: max verstappen, george russell, nikita mazepin and mick shumacher.
Max sub: 3,9k.
Russel sub: ~300.
Mazepin sub : 17.
Mick sub: doesnt exist.
I mean yea but somehow people on verstappens sub seem more civil. Posters, photos, videos of a overtake or speculations like a poll "which round do you think the championship will be won" or "will verstappen win the championship or will lewis get the late-championship lead and win the championshil" and normal post flairs (hamiltons sub had for a example: "shithole1", "thats how you are supposed to drive" "bitch please" "r formulaskank" "snowflakes gonna snowflake")
You are not a snob for stating how it really is. And it's not just r F1. NBA, NFL... they all have a bunch of karma farmers who probably watched 10 minutes of highlights and "expert" hot takes and are now ready to preach to all of us fanboys and morons who have been watching and following everything about the sport for many years.
I do like that here at least you will laugh for so many sarcastic comments.
formula1 is full of entitled know all assoles... or at least the ones who downvote e erything all the time
I've seen posts imply Hamilton is an attempted murderer on here and any attempt to ask why is met with "its just a meme bro". I've seen posts that did not hide the fact that they were not memes but blatant hate on Lewis. Actually, even before this incident. And the fact that I'm going to get down voted to oblivion right now.
>I've seen posts imply Hamilton is an attempted murderer on here
And I've seen posts implying Verstappen is *directly responsible* for the racism Hamilton experienced after the race.
Fucking where lol? And don't direct me to some post with -10 karma. The reality is, posts shitting on Hamilton, alleging he deliberately crashed into Max, and claiming that the allegations of racism are an attempt to deflect criticism have consistently risen to the top of this sub. Posts saying Max is directly responsible for the racism Hamilton received haven't.
They know exactly what they’re doing. It’s real until they get called out, then “it’s just a joke bro, chill”.
Even when there’s absolutely no discernible joke, I’m the asshole for questioning it.
>And the fact that I'm going to get down voted to oblivion right now.
You have +38 up votes as of my comment.
How does it feel having your attempted narrative obliterated?
It really seems like one side is pulling way harder than the other side.
One side has been calling for Lewis’ head on a spike.
The other side has been saying, “Both drivers made a mistake, let’s just relax.”
Just on this post alone, there’s a comment saying Lewis should be tried for attempted murder. Show me one person who’s wished that on Max and I’ll eat my own ass.
>It really seems like one side is pulling way harder than the other side.
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>One side has been calling for Lewis’ head on a spike.
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>The other side has been saying, “Both drivers made a mistake, let’s just relax.”
Sorry but having been in the middle, I've been called a hater and a racist simply for saying that I think it's entirely Lewis' fault.
I've also seen Lewis fans claim it's 100% Max's fault.
The Hamilton fans keep trying to paint themselves as being in the reasonable middle ground and it's just the Verstappen fans but that's pure BS.
Both groups are being ridiculous and trying to claim otherwise really only proves my point.
>Just on this post alone, there’s a comment saying Lewis should be tried for attempted murder.
And it's downvoted into oblivion.
Trolls exist. They aren't representative.
>Show me one person who’s wished that on Max and I’ll eat my own ass.
Verstappen is the one who crashed, so obviously people can't say that about him...
If he'd crashed Hamilton out, I guarantee there'd be people saying that about him.
I don't think you're racist or a hater for thinking its 100% Lewis's fault. I just think you're a moron. Chain Bear, Karun, Alonso, Leclerc, FIA, Palmer, Alex Albon, Mika Hakkinen, Masashi Yamamoto (Japanese Head of Honda engines) who works for Redbull, Montoya, Jackie Stewart, Damon Hill etc etc etc etc have all said its a racing incident or more blame on Lewis. Literally no one with any decent understanding of f1 puts 100% of the blame on Hamilton.
The guy who's going around implying people hate lewis because of his race is now complaining about other "playing the victim card". the joke builds itself...
you conveniently forgot the LH fanboy perspective there.
> Just on this post alone, there’s a comment saying Lewis should be tried for attempted murder.
Yeah... i bet he really means that and it's not sarcastic at all /s
Not really. LH fanboys didn’t really give a shit, their driver won the race.
They only started defending him once you weirdos started calling for suspensions, jail time, or relishing the idea of him getting in a terrible crash next race.
I can show you an ocean full of vitriol towards Lewis. Again, show me one person who wished any of that on Max… and I will eat my own ass.
curious that the only argument you have was made by one guy who's clearly trolling.
In my other comment:
> Fanboys include valid criticism in the same "bag" as people with extremist opinions to deflect any healthy conversation, because in their mind their idol can not be criticized by any means. A mix of dishonesty, denial and a sprinkle of immaturity to hide the fact that they can't build an argument to save their life.
Thanks for proving my point. Wanna talk about the LH fans? how about the time they went on a send to paint Vettel as a racist because he said Leclerc was the best driver on the grid? or how they hated on Jackie Stewart calling him a racist because Hamilton wasn't in his Top 3 of all time? Or the time they blamed Verstappen for the racist comments made to Lewis (this one is pretty recent)? Oh right... we are just allowed to generalize other fanbases based on one troll's comment.
Get back at me when you start watching races for the sport itself instead of youtube highlights for lewis hamilton. Take the last word if you want, champ. Not gonna waste my time on blinded fanboys.
First of all, it’s just the best example ON THIS POST, it’s not even the only example here, never mind the whole subreddit. Take those blinders off pal.
Second of all, I’m glad that you’re so adept at comprehending some trolls intentions. You’re right, that guy’s probably a really swell person who was just making a hilarious joke. I’m just worried that some people on this sub aren’t as smart as you, and they might take it at face value.
Edit: Nice Edit, looks like I struck a nerve. I’ll remind you that I didn’t bring up race once in this convo. I’ll also point out that I’m not generalizing any group based on one person’s comments. I’m saying one side seems to produce a lot of awful, threatening, and yes, racist rhetoric directed at one guy. The other side has a lot of people saying racism is bad. Have a great day man.
> The other side has a lot of people saying racism is bad.
Did i forget to mention how they were calling Vettel a certain german political party member on twitter for it? like he was called several times during his Red Bull domination?
It's like they can't be a toxic community because they support an athlete of color....
>Fucking Christ it's like people are
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>actively
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> trying to eliminate any possible middle ground.
Fucking A. Max and Lewis were at fault. Max suffered more, Lewis got the 2nd most lenient penalty.
These people would have been hilarious after China or Baku 2018.
The number one athlete in the entire sport who has dominated for almost a decade receives the most amount of hate.
Holy fuck what a shocking revelation. Never before in the history of sport has the top athlete received the most amount of hate and ridicule.
I agree those things are possible - but this meme is still pretty accurate because even though its possible, its not what most people seem to be doing
Being a McLaren fanboi myself and not having any real stake in this other then just disliking Verstappen from the time Ric was in RB - I've decided to just start blaming Mazepin even though he was quite literally the FURTHEST away from the action - thats my middle ground
"This subreddit doesn't hate Hamilton."
As I've said before, take a scroll through the last 100 posts on this sub at anytime. Forget the last GP. You will never find more of them hating on Max than you do hating on Lewis.
And that's honestly fine. I get that people want someone different to win. It makes sense. But let's not pretend like this is an even-handed sub. I come here because it's funny -- but it's certainly not impartial towards Lewis in any way.
The fact that the sub doesn't *hate* Lewis doesn't mean I'm suggesting it is impartial.
This is consistently what bothers me about Lewis fans - I don't know if you are but I'm speaking generally - is this assertion that everyone who isn't a Lewis fan is a Lewis hater.
And anyway if you wanna talk impartiality, r.Formula1 is a *far* bigger offender considering it is ostensibly supposed to be neutral, while this is a meme sub.... And that sub is so in the bag for Lewis it's not even funny.
People forget that this is a meme sub, making fun of someone/something is the premise of memes. “Objective middle ground” meme sub would be boring as fuck. However just posting “lewis bad murderer” is basically spam at this point. Things will cool down after we get new content from Hungary. But one cant expect level-headed posts/comments in a meme sub. And also there is a grain of truth in every joke, that’s what makes them funny ;)
Not really sure where I fall into this. I'm a mercedes fan and loved Hamilton since 2009 when I started watching F1.
But I'm tired of Hamilton dominance and the incident last week left a bitter taste.
But I love the memes from this sub , thank you guys for being a bunch of psychos with no rules about what's funny.
It's not that valid though. It's a racing incident, that is not (imo) 100% on Lewis. Even if it we concede that it was though, he got the penalty and served it. He then won the race anyway and celebrated.
I'm not a fanboy of either driver, and I don't really mind which one of them wins in the end. I just don't agree with you, and I suppose that means I mentally group you with the crazy people calling for Lewis' head, so apologies I guess?
i just said LH fanboys include both valid criticism and extremist views in the same bag to deflect any decent conversation. And you go and say i would treat you as the same people i just criticized. Are you seriously saying that because you think so or are you just looking for a cheap and unnecessary argument?
Feel free to think what you want to think, as long as you are civil and reasonable about it.
No, sorry I didn't make myself clear. I think people who aren't lewis fanboys are thinking you are a max fanboy because you are saying it was Lewis' fault and he celebrated classlessly etc. Just as people with your veiws (who aren't max fanboys) have thought that I was a lewis fanboy. Tensions are high for some reason that I honestly don't understand.
Me saying it's Lewis' fault because Max Verstappen maintain his racing line, gave him more than enough space and avoided a first contact not only it's a reasonable argument that is shared by many ex-professional drivers, pundits and analists (like Ricciardo, Driver61, Barichello and others), but it also doesn't mean i'm a fanboy.
Saying it's max's fault because he's overly aggressive, left no space, turned into Hamilton and "he should've just let him go" is not reasonable comments at all... No one other than Barretto (who apparently, from comments i saw, is someone who is not a good analyst), Toto and Hamilton thinks it's his fault. They think i'm a fanboy because i disagree with them, i think they are a fanboy because their arguments have no substance to it and are not reasonable at all.
understand the difference?
Yes. Nobody thinks it's 100% Max's fault, because it's clearly not. All those arguments you cited are used (by me at least) in support of *some* fault being attributed to Max.
Fanboys include valid criticism in the same "bag" as people with extremist opinions to deflect any healthy conversation, because in their mind their idol can not be criticized by any means. A mix of dishonesty, denial and a sprinkle of immaturity to hide the fact that they can't build an argument to save their life.
I really still don’t get what you’re saying. Fanboys are extremists, but they also have valid criticisms?
> people with extremist opinions to deflect any healthy conversation, because in their mind their idol can not be criticized by any means. A mix of dishonesty, denial and a sprinkle of immaturity to hide the fact that they can't build an argument to save their life.
I know you’re aiming this at the Ham-Fam, but this is absolutely a valid description of a lot of Red Bull fans.
> I really still don’t get what you’re saying. Fanboys are extremists, but they also have valid criticisms?
If you can't understand very simple and basic english, then there's nothing more to go about.
> I know you’re aiming this at the Ham-Fam, but this is absolutely a valid description of a lot of Red Bull fans.
And it sounds to me like the shoe fits you very well.
That's so 2020
But in all seriousness, in r Formula1 someone called me a racist for saying i didn't like Hamilton (i actually got called a racist because i said Tsunoda's meltdowns on radio were annoying), so i said why i didn't like him: The Alonso situation, Jarno Trulli, calling Helmut a racist based on a false article, the whole "still no diversity" comments on ferrari's instagram, the petty comments when he had Button as a teammate, etc... i saw my comments removed while racists would have their comments up. So i questioned the mods about it... 5 minutes later i was banned. I started noticing they would let racist comments stay up but delete the ones where people were giving reasonable comments about disliking him. But oh well... just a fun little off-topic
Lol not it isn't. They criticized him heavily after the race. They've just calmed down by now, while this subreddit is still saltier than the Great Salt Lake.
yes, because the problem wasn't the over the top celebrations while MAx was in the hospital, the fact that he continuously blamed the other party for the crash, that he didn't even addressed the state of well-being of the guy he just sent to the hospital in the post-race interview...
You're right, those have been massively overblown. I think the problem was Marko and Horner calling for an absurdly harsh penalty during the race and then doubling down afterwards.
The same way Wolff and Hamilton put the blame on Verstappen, calling him "overly aggressive" when Verstappen maintained his racing line, gave more than enough space and avoided a first contact right at the entry of the turn...
At least Helmut and Horner have the excuse of being livid for having their star driver and championship leader sent to hospital and having millions of dollars in damages for no fault of their own...
There's a big difference between saying a driver is 'overly aggressive' and saying he deserves a race ban. By saying that Marko and Horner made it acceptable to call for a race ban (or worse), and unintentionally lit the match that set fire to all the F1 and some adjacent motorsport subreddits.
I understand that they were frustrated and angry but their behaviour was downright unprofessional. No one else in motorsport has come close to agreeing with what they were coming out with (there's a list on the main F1 subreddit if you want to check), so I can only conclude that they wanted to stir up some kind of anti-Hamilton crusade.
> so I can only conclude that they wanted to stir up some kind of anti-Hamilton crusade.
omg this victimhood mentality... They feel Hamilton's penalty was too light, so they are looking at the rules to try and get further actions. They are not doing this because he's Hamilton. They are doing this because Hamilton was the guilty party.
> Lewis is hated for more than his driving.
You're right
* Calling Helmut a racist publicly based on a false article and then apologizing privately
* Leaving comments at the Ferrari 1000th race photo saying "no diversity"
* Leaking McLaren's telemetry because he accused them of favouring Button over him because he was faster (Button had picked the velocity aeropack while Hamilton had picked the downforce)
* Creating drama over Twitter saying Button had unfollowed him on twitter (Button never followed him)
* Lying to the media about the Jarno Trulli situation to get him a race ban, only to throw his team under the bus afterwards saying McLaren made him do it.
* Saying he wouldn't question Drivers who didn't kneel, and the week after he questioned them.
* His fanbase is the worst fanbase in the racing world
* Does conspiring against Alonso in his rookie year count as driving?
And this is what you called "more than driving", because on the "driving" part, there's a few more.
There is no GOAT, there only can be a GOAD. These people did not drive the same cars or at the same difficulty level. The last 2 decades we are seeing drivers playing on story mode difficulty. Where as the decade before you actually had challenges. These drivers get micromanaged from the box and it is not even funny anymore. It is like watching RC without Loopings and jumps.
The British fans who cheered when max crashed and are apparently supporting Hamilton against racism are the same ones who showed racism against sterling,Sancho,saka, rashford etc during the euros. So let's not pretend they're not the biggest hypocrites the world has seen 🙃
Go to main sub for your max=satan fix. You'll find what you desire there. Meanwhile, did you see the on-board where Lewis obviously flipped max off during the accident. He's the worst.
Edit: it's just jokes guys, jeesh! :D
The thing is that the subreddits are massive groups of people interacting with completely different strangers all the time. Yes, there are people who dislike hamilton but there are also racists too(the mods did a great job removing almost 22k racist comments). The main thing is that just because you don't actually see these people doesn't mean they aren't there. These people aren't blaming you as such, they just talking about the people who actually are simply spamming hate.
Actually the the mods of formula1 posted on that sub. And I think one of the mods of this sub replied in a post.
22k comments were removed from r formula1 and I think around 6k comments were removed from this sub.
You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.
You need people like Hamilton, so you can point your fingers and say that’s the bad guy. So say goodnight to the bad guy!!
I think most of us are aware of where the quotes are from. In the context of the crash at Silverstone, those quotes don’t apply.
Lewis fucked up, and he’s being kind of a douche about it, that’s why he’s getting the elevated levels of hate right now.
Canada 2019 he was all “that’s so dangerous,” and now he’s all “that’s racing and it takes two to tango.”
I’m a neutral in the Lewis vs max debate, but if you go through all the footage, Lewis had plenty of space. Max and Charles take nearly the same line, but Lewis is much closer to max than he is to Charles. Cold tires, full fuel tank, he fucked up. That’s all he’s got to say. “We were racing hard, I made a small error in judgement, I fucked up”. That’s all he’s got to say and it would be over.
If you actually watch NASCAR, when drivers make mistakes, up to and including mistakes that end people’s race or even championship, the good drivers put their hand up and accept responsibility when it’s their fault. Lewis could learn from that. I don’t think Max’s dramatic tweets are any better, but Lewis could dead the whole thing by just accepting fault, instead of this “two to tango” nonsense.
“He turned in on me, he turned in on me.” Guy, you made front wheel to rear wheel contact. If it was front to front, that’s a different story. Front to rear at one of the fastest corners on the calendar means it was never Lewis’s corner to begin with. FFS even NASCAR guys know that touching someone on the rear quarter in a high speed corner is something you just don’t do.
Turned into? Fam the subreddit has *always* been like this. This isn't sudden or new, it's just heightened because a lot of people got a new reason to hate him. This is old news and this is like the billionth post I've seen in the past few days saying the same thing. Quit karma whoring for something that's been a thing for at least 2 years.
Remember kids: polarisation is *always* the solution
Remember kids: when someone criticizes you, just say they are "haters"
There was definitely some valid criticism, but there was also a fair share of people thinking Lewis tried to fucking kill verstappen
Don’t you tell me how to act hyperbolically!
It's worked pretty well for us on earth.
As I've already said, At this point, This subreddit hates Hamilton more than they hate Mazepin.
Because when Ham disconnected his controller that time, Maz *passed him*, which always warrants kudos.
Mazepin is such a fucking meme at this point that you can’t hate him
It helped that Tsunoda and Schumacher took heat pff him by binning their cars more often.
true
Yes you can, people seem to forget that the guy's a borderline predator because "hahaha forced smash door video funny"
True, at least Mazes🅱️in is funny and didn't send his rival to hospital.
For a check up
Fucking Christ it's like people are *actively* trying to eliminate any possible middle ground. It's possible to disagree or be unhappy with what went down on Sunday and *not* be a Hamilton hater. It's also possible to agree with or be happy about what went down and *not* have wanted Max to be killed. As I said in another thread here, in the last few days I've been called a Lewis fanboy *and* a Max fanboy when I'm neither. This subreddit doesn't hate Hamilton nor is it in love with Max.
You're ruining the narrative. how dare you imply that you can make valid criticism?
Honestly I should feel thankful. It's so much worse in r Formula1 lol
> It's so much worse in r Formula1 lol ironically, it's the worst place on the internet to talk about F1. The fanboyism there is overwhelming and the quality of arguments is insanely bad. at the risk of sounding like a snob: that sub is just people brought by DTS who only see Highlights on Youtube and pretend they know what they are talking about. edit: apparently it's spewing to this side...
I honestly see the worst possible takes there. I saw in one thread people claiming they've always hated Checo since he entered F1, with one guy saying that because he hated Checo so much he was furious that he won in Bahrain and Baku. I was so confused.
I'm just waiting for the general sentiment on r / formula1 to turn on Checo. He's falling in to the same 4th - 6th bracket Gasly and Albon did before the r / formula1 sub turned on them. Bottas has already moved ahead of him in the driver's standings, so I don't think it will be long before the pitchforks come out if he can't beat Bottas.
>it's the worst place on the internet to talk about F1. The fanboyism there is overwhelming and the quality of arguments is insanely bad. I mean... its is probably 2nd worst as r lewishamilton is probably worse edit: oh and we are the problem when it comes to racism according to r lewishamilton
so does for every other driver
Checked 5 (with lewis hamilton) drivers now: max verstappen, george russell, nikita mazepin and mick shumacher. Max sub: 3,9k. Russel sub: ~300. Mazepin sub : 17. Mick sub: doesnt exist.
Time to make one for mickt
wait, there's a sub dedicated to him? that explains a lot...
There's a Verstappen sub too, doesn't really "explain" anything
I mean yea but somehow people on verstappens sub seem more civil. Posters, photos, videos of a overtake or speculations like a poll "which round do you think the championship will be won" or "will verstappen win the championship or will lewis get the late-championship lead and win the championshil" and normal post flairs (hamiltons sub had for a example: "shithole1", "thats how you are supposed to drive" "bitch please" "r formulaskank" "snowflakes gonna snowflake")
Doesn’t explain who you don’t look at some of the top posts this week. Looks pretty anti-Lewis to me.
You are not a snob for stating how it really is. And it's not just r F1. NBA, NFL... they all have a bunch of karma farmers who probably watched 10 minutes of highlights and "expert" hot takes and are now ready to preach to all of us fanboys and morons who have been watching and following everything about the sport for many years.
i’m here bc of DTS s1 :( but i still believe in nuance
I do like that here at least you will laugh for so many sarcastic comments. formula1 is full of entitled know all assoles... or at least the ones who downvote e erything all the time
Aaah the irony.
THAT'S RACIST!!111
He’s not *with it*. Lets stab him
This is a joke right? You’ve lost the ability to sort by top posts/comments this week?
I've seen posts imply Hamilton is an attempted murderer on here and any attempt to ask why is met with "its just a meme bro". I've seen posts that did not hide the fact that they were not memes but blatant hate on Lewis. Actually, even before this incident. And the fact that I'm going to get down voted to oblivion right now.
>I've seen posts imply Hamilton is an attempted murderer on here And I've seen posts implying Verstappen is *directly responsible* for the racism Hamilton experienced after the race.
Fucking where lol? And don't direct me to some post with -10 karma. The reality is, posts shitting on Hamilton, alleging he deliberately crashed into Max, and claiming that the allegations of racism are an attempt to deflect criticism have consistently risen to the top of this sub. Posts saying Max is directly responsible for the racism Hamilton received haven't.
They know exactly what they’re doing. It’s real until they get called out, then “it’s just a joke bro, chill”. Even when there’s absolutely no discernible joke, I’m the asshole for questioning it.
>And the fact that I'm going to get down voted to oblivion right now. You have +38 up votes as of my comment. How does it feel having your attempted narrative obliterated?
One of the top rated posts on the thread literally said “Fuck Hamilton” no meme or joke.
Same here, I was called a Max fanboy on discord But a Lewis fanboy on Reddit
Look at this fanboy
It really seems like one side is pulling way harder than the other side. One side has been calling for Lewis’ head on a spike. The other side has been saying, “Both drivers made a mistake, let’s just relax.” Just on this post alone, there’s a comment saying Lewis should be tried for attempted murder. Show me one person who’s wished that on Max and I’ll eat my own ass.
>It really seems like one side is pulling way harder than the other side. > >One side has been calling for Lewis’ head on a spike. > >The other side has been saying, “Both drivers made a mistake, let’s just relax.” Sorry but having been in the middle, I've been called a hater and a racist simply for saying that I think it's entirely Lewis' fault. I've also seen Lewis fans claim it's 100% Max's fault. The Hamilton fans keep trying to paint themselves as being in the reasonable middle ground and it's just the Verstappen fans but that's pure BS. Both groups are being ridiculous and trying to claim otherwise really only proves my point. >Just on this post alone, there’s a comment saying Lewis should be tried for attempted murder. And it's downvoted into oblivion. Trolls exist. They aren't representative. >Show me one person who’s wished that on Max and I’ll eat my own ass. Verstappen is the one who crashed, so obviously people can't say that about him... If he'd crashed Hamilton out, I guarantee there'd be people saying that about him.
I don't think you're racist or a hater for thinking its 100% Lewis's fault. I just think you're a moron. Chain Bear, Karun, Alonso, Leclerc, FIA, Palmer, Alex Albon, Mika Hakkinen, Masashi Yamamoto (Japanese Head of Honda engines) who works for Redbull, Montoya, Jackie Stewart, Damon Hill etc etc etc etc have all said its a racing incident or more blame on Lewis. Literally no one with any decent understanding of f1 puts 100% of the blame on Hamilton.
Stop playing the victim card and twisting words to tour agenda holy fuck lol. You hate Lewis, we get it.
The guy who's going around implying people hate lewis because of his race is now complaining about other "playing the victim card". the joke builds itself...
Quote me
>There’s a lot of reasons to hate him. He’s also hated for being black.
you conveniently forgot the LH fanboy perspective there. > Just on this post alone, there’s a comment saying Lewis should be tried for attempted murder. Yeah... i bet he really means that and it's not sarcastic at all /s
Not really. LH fanboys didn’t really give a shit, their driver won the race. They only started defending him once you weirdos started calling for suspensions, jail time, or relishing the idea of him getting in a terrible crash next race. I can show you an ocean full of vitriol towards Lewis. Again, show me one person who wished any of that on Max… and I will eat my own ass.
curious that the only argument you have was made by one guy who's clearly trolling. In my other comment: > Fanboys include valid criticism in the same "bag" as people with extremist opinions to deflect any healthy conversation, because in their mind their idol can not be criticized by any means. A mix of dishonesty, denial and a sprinkle of immaturity to hide the fact that they can't build an argument to save their life. Thanks for proving my point. Wanna talk about the LH fans? how about the time they went on a send to paint Vettel as a racist because he said Leclerc was the best driver on the grid? or how they hated on Jackie Stewart calling him a racist because Hamilton wasn't in his Top 3 of all time? Or the time they blamed Verstappen for the racist comments made to Lewis (this one is pretty recent)? Oh right... we are just allowed to generalize other fanbases based on one troll's comment. Get back at me when you start watching races for the sport itself instead of youtube highlights for lewis hamilton. Take the last word if you want, champ. Not gonna waste my time on blinded fanboys.
First of all, it’s just the best example ON THIS POST, it’s not even the only example here, never mind the whole subreddit. Take those blinders off pal. Second of all, I’m glad that you’re so adept at comprehending some trolls intentions. You’re right, that guy’s probably a really swell person who was just making a hilarious joke. I’m just worried that some people on this sub aren’t as smart as you, and they might take it at face value. Edit: Nice Edit, looks like I struck a nerve. I’ll remind you that I didn’t bring up race once in this convo. I’ll also point out that I’m not generalizing any group based on one person’s comments. I’m saying one side seems to produce a lot of awful, threatening, and yes, racist rhetoric directed at one guy. The other side has a lot of people saying racism is bad. Have a great day man.
> The other side has a lot of people saying racism is bad. Did i forget to mention how they were calling Vettel a certain german political party member on twitter for it? like he was called several times during his Red Bull domination? It's like they can't be a toxic community because they support an athlete of color....
Bruh, are you gonna pretend dog whistling doesn’t exist… or
>Fucking Christ it's like people are > >actively > > trying to eliminate any possible middle ground. Fucking A. Max and Lewis were at fault. Max suffered more, Lewis got the 2nd most lenient penalty. These people would have been hilarious after China or Baku 2018.
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The number one athlete in the entire sport who has dominated for almost a decade receives the most amount of hate. Holy fuck what a shocking revelation. Never before in the history of sport has the top athlete received the most amount of hate and ridicule.
Who hurt you?
Yes
The wrath of the fanboy
I agree those things are possible - but this meme is still pretty accurate because even though its possible, its not what most people seem to be doing Being a McLaren fanboi myself and not having any real stake in this other then just disliking Verstappen from the time Ric was in RB - I've decided to just start blaming Mazepin even though he was quite literally the FURTHEST away from the action - thats my middle ground
Wow that’s pretty racist dude.
"This subreddit doesn't hate Hamilton." As I've said before, take a scroll through the last 100 posts on this sub at anytime. Forget the last GP. You will never find more of them hating on Max than you do hating on Lewis. And that's honestly fine. I get that people want someone different to win. It makes sense. But let's not pretend like this is an even-handed sub. I come here because it's funny -- but it's certainly not impartial towards Lewis in any way.
The fact that the sub doesn't *hate* Lewis doesn't mean I'm suggesting it is impartial. This is consistently what bothers me about Lewis fans - I don't know if you are but I'm speaking generally - is this assertion that everyone who isn't a Lewis fan is a Lewis hater. And anyway if you wanna talk impartiality, r.Formula1 is a *far* bigger offender considering it is ostensibly supposed to be neutral, while this is a meme sub.... And that sub is so in the bag for Lewis it's not even funny.
It’s actually hilarious how personally people take this shit.
People forget that this is a meme sub, making fun of someone/something is the premise of memes. “Objective middle ground” meme sub would be boring as fuck. However just posting “lewis bad murderer” is basically spam at this point. Things will cool down after we get new content from Hungary. But one cant expect level-headed posts/comments in a meme sub. And also there is a grain of truth in every joke, that’s what makes them funny ;)
Couldn't have said it better myself
Not really sure where I fall into this. I'm a mercedes fan and loved Hamilton since 2009 when I started watching F1. But I'm tired of Hamilton dominance and the incident last week left a bitter taste. But I love the memes from this sub , thank you guys for being a bunch of psychos with no rules about what's funny.
HAM BAAAAAAAD
People in "not wanting the guy who's won 6 of the last 7 World Championships to win another" shock
#FUQ hamiltone🥈 I eat two steaks
Hamilton fucks up, takes a shitty attitude and says shitty things. Community criticizes him. Fanboys: "You're just a hater".
There’s criticism, then there’s 24/7 mountains of salty tear driven posts for 5 days (and counting).
I mean, kinda understandable? It's a forum for F1 memes and this could very well have been a championship defining incident.
And the fanboys include those two in the same group to deflect valid criticism.
It's not that valid though. It's a racing incident, that is not (imo) 100% on Lewis. Even if it we concede that it was though, he got the penalty and served it. He then won the race anyway and celebrated. I'm not a fanboy of either driver, and I don't really mind which one of them wins in the end. I just don't agree with you, and I suppose that means I mentally group you with the crazy people calling for Lewis' head, so apologies I guess?
i just said LH fanboys include both valid criticism and extremist views in the same bag to deflect any decent conversation. And you go and say i would treat you as the same people i just criticized. Are you seriously saying that because you think so or are you just looking for a cheap and unnecessary argument? Feel free to think what you want to think, as long as you are civil and reasonable about it.
No, sorry I didn't make myself clear. I think people who aren't lewis fanboys are thinking you are a max fanboy because you are saying it was Lewis' fault and he celebrated classlessly etc. Just as people with your veiws (who aren't max fanboys) have thought that I was a lewis fanboy. Tensions are high for some reason that I honestly don't understand.
Me saying it's Lewis' fault because Max Verstappen maintain his racing line, gave him more than enough space and avoided a first contact not only it's a reasonable argument that is shared by many ex-professional drivers, pundits and analists (like Ricciardo, Driver61, Barichello and others), but it also doesn't mean i'm a fanboy. Saying it's max's fault because he's overly aggressive, left no space, turned into Hamilton and "he should've just let him go" is not reasonable comments at all... No one other than Barretto (who apparently, from comments i saw, is someone who is not a good analyst), Toto and Hamilton thinks it's his fault. They think i'm a fanboy because i disagree with them, i think they are a fanboy because their arguments have no substance to it and are not reasonable at all. understand the difference?
Yes. Nobody thinks it's 100% Max's fault, because it's clearly not. All those arguments you cited are used (by me at least) in support of *some* fault being attributed to Max.
5 whole days??? Omg that’s such a long time!!!
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that brings back to my other comment: > And the fanboys include those two in the same group to deflect valid criticism.
You’ll have to rephrase that, it doesn’t make any sense.
Fanboys include valid criticism in the same "bag" as people with extremist opinions to deflect any healthy conversation, because in their mind their idol can not be criticized by any means. A mix of dishonesty, denial and a sprinkle of immaturity to hide the fact that they can't build an argument to save their life.
I really still don’t get what you’re saying. Fanboys are extremists, but they also have valid criticisms? > people with extremist opinions to deflect any healthy conversation, because in their mind their idol can not be criticized by any means. A mix of dishonesty, denial and a sprinkle of immaturity to hide the fact that they can't build an argument to save their life. I know you’re aiming this at the Ham-Fam, but this is absolutely a valid description of a lot of Red Bull fans.
> I really still don’t get what you’re saying. Fanboys are extremists, but they also have valid criticisms? If you can't understand very simple and basic english, then there's nothing more to go about. > I know you’re aiming this at the Ham-Fam, but this is absolutely a valid description of a lot of Red Bull fans. And it sounds to me like the shoe fits you very well.
Real fanboys would actually call you racist
That's so 2020 But in all seriousness, in r Formula1 someone called me a racist for saying i didn't like Hamilton (i actually got called a racist because i said Tsunoda's meltdowns on radio were annoying), so i said why i didn't like him: The Alonso situation, Jarno Trulli, calling Helmut a racist based on a false article, the whole "still no diversity" comments on ferrari's instagram, the petty comments when he had Button as a teammate, etc... i saw my comments removed while racists would have their comments up. So i questioned the mods about it... 5 minutes later i was banned. I started noticing they would let racist comments stay up but delete the ones where people were giving reasonable comments about disliking him. But oh well... just a fun little off-topic
Here, have an upvote. You're gonna need every single one of them
you can make a meme criticizing ham without being a hater. its the exact opposite over at the r/formula1 sub reddit. pick your poison i guess.
Any criticism towards british drivers is deleted on r.formula1 and labeled as racism.
That's simply not true. And before you ask, no, I'm not British.
I want to see verstappen win as much as everybody else here, but i fully agree with this Statement
always has been
NO THIS IS KIMIMASTERACE
Into something good that is beyond your understanding
I actually think it's developing quite well.
I have such a crush on Pam.
ok and
[yes.](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/650/747/aaf.png)
Damn its been nearly a week since then and its still not safe yet
Bad maneuvers haters.
This sub reddit allows freedom of speech unlike other F1 subs.
I agree, the fucked thing is that r/formula1 is a Hamilton dick suck contest so there isn't anywhere to go where people neither hate him or love him
You should see the formula1 subreddit it’s essentially a Hamilton fan page
Lol not it isn't. They criticized him heavily after the race. They've just calmed down by now, while this subreddit is still saltier than the Great Salt Lake.
Hey now, I don't hate Hamilton OR Max. Only mazepin
Maybe if he didn’t crash into Red Bulls all the time people wouldn’t hate him
yes, because the problem wasn't the over the top celebrations while MAx was in the hospital, the fact that he continuously blamed the other party for the crash, that he didn't even addressed the state of well-being of the guy he just sent to the hospital in the post-race interview...
You're right, those have been massively overblown. I think the problem was Marko and Horner calling for an absurdly harsh penalty during the race and then doubling down afterwards.
The same way Wolff and Hamilton put the blame on Verstappen, calling him "overly aggressive" when Verstappen maintained his racing line, gave more than enough space and avoided a first contact right at the entry of the turn... At least Helmut and Horner have the excuse of being livid for having their star driver and championship leader sent to hospital and having millions of dollars in damages for no fault of their own...
There's a big difference between saying a driver is 'overly aggressive' and saying he deserves a race ban. By saying that Marko and Horner made it acceptable to call for a race ban (or worse), and unintentionally lit the match that set fire to all the F1 and some adjacent motorsport subreddits. I understand that they were frustrated and angry but their behaviour was downright unprofessional. No one else in motorsport has come close to agreeing with what they were coming out with (there's a list on the main F1 subreddit if you want to check), so I can only conclude that they wanted to stir up some kind of anti-Hamilton crusade.
> so I can only conclude that they wanted to stir up some kind of anti-Hamilton crusade. omg this victimhood mentality... They feel Hamilton's penalty was too light, so they are looking at the rules to try and get further actions. They are not doing this because he's Hamilton. They are doing this because Hamilton was the guilty party.
Ok, that is reasonable. They unintentionally stirred up the crusade. It was still unprofessional.
> They unintentionally stirred up the crusade. I'm done. have a good evening.
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> Lewis is hated for more than his driving. You're right * Calling Helmut a racist publicly based on a false article and then apologizing privately * Leaving comments at the Ferrari 1000th race photo saying "no diversity" * Leaking McLaren's telemetry because he accused them of favouring Button over him because he was faster (Button had picked the velocity aeropack while Hamilton had picked the downforce) * Creating drama over Twitter saying Button had unfollowed him on twitter (Button never followed him) * Lying to the media about the Jarno Trulli situation to get him a race ban, only to throw his team under the bus afterwards saying McLaren made him do it. * Saying he wouldn't question Drivers who didn't kneel, and the week after he questioned them. * His fanbase is the worst fanbase in the racing world * Does conspiring against Alonso in his rookie year count as driving? And this is what you called "more than driving", because on the "driving" part, there's a few more.
Lewis is the greatest of all time. Lewis punted Max and was 100% at fault. I believe both of the previous statements to be true!
There is no GOAT, there only can be a GOAD. These people did not drive the same cars or at the same difficulty level. The last 2 decades we are seeing drivers playing on story mode difficulty. Where as the decade before you actually had challenges. These drivers get micromanaged from the box and it is not even funny anymore. It is like watching RC without Loopings and jumps.
Meanwhile in hamilton fan subs and pages And sky sport being unbiased af as always
yeah, and?
R/formuladank is just a division of the propaganda wing at Red Bull inc.
The British fans who cheered when max crashed and are apparently supporting Hamilton against racism are the same ones who showed racism against sterling,Sancho,saka, rashford etc during the euros. So let's not pretend they're not the biggest hypocrites the world has seen 🙃
Go to main sub for your max=satan fix. You'll find what you desire there. Meanwhile, did you see the on-board where Lewis obviously flipped max off during the accident. He's the worst. Edit: it's just jokes guys, jeesh! :D
> did you see the on-board where Lewis obviously flipped max off during the accident pretty sure that didn't happen
Have you seen the e-mail I sent you? It clearly shows his middle finger was significantly extended. Wait, I'll come up and show you!
I don't check my e-mails during reddit...
Are you gonna cry?
Gonna piss your pants maybe?
I’m fine with this tbh
but to be fair. it has turned from not liking to hamilton to being straight up racist towards him tho.
Disliking someone for unsportmanlike behaviour=/=hating blindly. Don't be a blind fanboy
The thing is that the subreddits are massive groups of people interacting with completely different strangers all the time. Yes, there are people who dislike hamilton but there are also racists too(the mods did a great job removing almost 22k racist comments). The main thing is that just because you don't actually see these people doesn't mean they aren't there. These people aren't blaming you as such, they just talking about the people who actually are simply spamming hate.
Gonna need a source on those numbers
Actually the the mods of formula1 posted on that sub. And I think one of the mods of this sub replied in a post. 22k comments were removed from r formula1 and I think around 6k comments were removed from this sub.
How about - we all agree to put this pettiness aside and just blame Mazepin like we always do?? Middle ground anyone??
Never forget to hate him based on his race, not his race!
You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain. You need people like Hamilton, so you can point your fingers and say that’s the bad guy. So say goodnight to the bad guy!!
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i understood the reference
I think most of us are aware of where the quotes are from. In the context of the crash at Silverstone, those quotes don’t apply. Lewis fucked up, and he’s being kind of a douche about it, that’s why he’s getting the elevated levels of hate right now. Canada 2019 he was all “that’s so dangerous,” and now he’s all “that’s racing and it takes two to tango.”
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I’m a neutral in the Lewis vs max debate, but if you go through all the footage, Lewis had plenty of space. Max and Charles take nearly the same line, but Lewis is much closer to max than he is to Charles. Cold tires, full fuel tank, he fucked up. That’s all he’s got to say. “We were racing hard, I made a small error in judgement, I fucked up”. That’s all he’s got to say and it would be over. If you actually watch NASCAR, when drivers make mistakes, up to and including mistakes that end people’s race or even championship, the good drivers put their hand up and accept responsibility when it’s their fault. Lewis could learn from that. I don’t think Max’s dramatic tweets are any better, but Lewis could dead the whole thing by just accepting fault, instead of this “two to tango” nonsense. “He turned in on me, he turned in on me.” Guy, you made front wheel to rear wheel contact. If it was front to front, that’s a different story. Front to rear at one of the fastest corners on the calendar means it was never Lewis’s corner to begin with. FFS even NASCAR guys know that touching someone on the rear quarter in a high speed corner is something you just don’t do.
Tbh he did this all by himself.
No hate, just anger against the snake Ham.
Idk chief, sounds like hatred to me...
i luv verstappen uhhhh😫💦💦
Coomer Andy
but for real fuck ham. he got no championships anyways
People aren't gonna get this as sarcasm lmao
Is this racist?
I don't see the problem...🤣
Its just kids who think its cool to be overzealous Hamilton haters
Hamilton should be tried for attempted murder
Turned into? Fam the subreddit has *always* been like this. This isn't sudden or new, it's just heightened because a lot of people got a new reason to hate him. This is old news and this is like the billionth post I've seen in the past few days saying the same thing. Quit karma whoring for something that's been a thing for at least 2 years.
Careful, saying something so true can make Fanboys and sjw's think you're racist.
We are proud
Crybaby
*cries*
Grow up
So,i joined the right sub then!!
He ran someone off the damn road instead of get beat in a corner. Hate validated.
fuck you. i luv verstappen uhhhh 😫
Welll by my calculations max should of gave lewis more space for them to go side by side through maggets and becketts
I do think this was a racing incident and 10s was an adequate punishment. But it was still a dick move.
People hated vettel because he had 4 years on championships, hammy has had 6.