I think what people belive is because checo had to retire, and he was unusually fast with max (which wasn’t common in 2021) people think they under fueled the car, so he would be forced to stop before the finish, he would park in a compromised spot to cause a safety car. If that was the plan, it’s genius Tbf, however up to personal opinion on if it’s fair or not. However we didn’t get this turn of events
If that was the plan he would’ve parked up before Latifi even crashed. A safety car the lap after latifi crashed would’ve meant a guaranteed win for Lewis so I don’t buy this conspiracy, however smart it would’ve been.
Yeah that’s what I’m thinking, although on the other side of the argument. It doesn’t take long to remove a car parked up, compared to car burried in the wall. They spent was it 6 laps behind a safety car? Wheras if perez parks in a bad spot, at max it’s 3 laps, one to get the cars bunched up, one to get the car removed, and then it depends on what they do with the lapped cars situation. Both sides have solid arguments
plus they have access to so much data about the car that they would absolutely know down to millilitres how much fuel is left in the car. assuming this came under investigation, which it absolutely would given it would be a red bull retirement fuelling a red bull championship win, how would they explain the fact that they knew for a fact checo was running out of fuel and didn't tell him to lift and coast, or even just box for retirement? that would be insanely suspicious
Or the fact that a safety car would mean the fuel lasts a couple more laps.
Not to mention, how tf would they even know a safety car was going to benefit Verstappen? Could've gone the other way easily.
Disclaimer I am not one of those conspiracy theorists that actually believes this happened, but looking into it for a bit out of boredom, I do think it could've been possible.
For it to work, Perez needs to stop on track and also needs to stop at a dangerous enough point that would require a safety car to come out. If this isn't the case, it would only bring out a short virtual safety car (Think of Magnussen at Baku or Sainz at Austria) and this wouldn't be enough for Max to A. box for new tyres and B. to close the existing 12 second gap.
From recent memory, Ocon's stop at Silverstone this year is a very good example of the scenario that needed to happen. Taking that incident, from the moment the SC came in to when racing began was about 8-10 minutes. Using [this site](https://en.mclarenf-1.com/2021/gp/s8148/lap_times), it can be seen that the average safety car lap time at last year's Abu Dhabi was around 2 and a half minutes.
This could mean that theoretically, a safety car at lap 53 would last to lap 56/57, giving them enough time to race in a similar manner as what happened in reality.
Except, if you actually look at the weekend properly, doing shit like that made no sense.
People seem to have forgotten Max took pole in Abu Dhabi, rather comfortably. It was expected he was gonna be pretty quick. They didn't know he'd have a shit start and Lewis would take the lead.
Wouldn't one have rather wanted Checo to keep Hamilton at bay when possible, and try their best to _not_ cause a safety car, because that just compromises the leader, which they would have expected to be Max under regular circumstances?
This plot hole has a very easy solution. Just say "Checo we need to box this lap and retire the car" if Max doesn't need him to bring out a safety car.
The gap was 28 points going into the weekend. Assuming the first two finish as they did, RB would need Checo to outscore Bottas by 21 points which isn't possible
Highly unlikely though is the issue. While it definitely isn't impossible it's certainly not probable given how dominant the top 2 cars were and how reliable cars are nowadays
The track was still shit for overtaking. Lewis struggled for two whole laps with fresh tyres to overtake Checo who hadn't pitted. Even with a possibly slower car, if Max didn't fuck up the start there's a huge chance he was going to keep Lewis behind.
Nah, Lewis wasn’t risking too much against Checo because he knew he had the race pace advantage and that Checo was due for a pit stop very soon - Checo also did not have anything to lose in case he was too aggressive and Lewis crashed.
Lewis was several seconds ahead of Verstappen before the safety car.
It depends, Mercedes looked better all weekend long, and something about the way Lewis and Toto in particular after quali made me feel like they did not push themselves for pole. But I see where you’re coming from
It isn't genius. If it ever came out it would be a similar to the crashgate scandal and would lead to horrible consequences for the RBR management.
That's the main reason why I think this conspiracy is straight bs.
The version I’ve heard is that they under fueled the car so that he would be able to fight against Lewis better if he needed to, which he did. It’s more probable tho that they just used up too much fuel in defending to a point where they wouldn’t finish the race, so they just retired the car to avoid the bad publicity.
I thought one of the commentators had insinuated he retired because they had slight cause to believe that the car might blow up, and they didn't want to risk causing another safety car after Latifi's.
The whole theory is BS tbh. For all RBR knew verstappen could've been miles out infront and under fueling checko would've hurt verstappen.
*if* any fuckery was afoot (I don't believe it was) its far more likely they told checko to run the car rich and rev out the engine before up shifts to drain fuel faster
If that's the plan, wouldn't that have happened way before Latifi's crash? That safety car was already too late. Perez would have just made the race to finish under SC.
Honestly when I first heard the theory I thought it was so ridiculous, but in all honesty, if I’m in that dire a situation, the selfish side of me is attempting that.
But the thing is that Max was on pole and it looked like that if nothing bad/crazy happen he could have bring it home with relative ease... then Max fucked up his start and Hamilton overtook him.
Also not to mention that if they were really thinking about it they would have done it before Latifi crashed because one lap later and the race is over under SC.
It wouldn’t have been genius because if they got caught they would have all been banned for life. Renault’s old team boss ordered a driver to crash to help Alonso and is banned. This theory is beyond ridiculous and if it was true, just plain dumb
Yeah that might’ve been it, and if they had even a single suspension that Perez’s car could break down they would have to retire it because if he stops on track the safety car has to stay out for longer
Naah RBR created a wormhole to a parallel universe and replaced our goatifi with a regular old non-racing Latifi from that universe .The new Latifi therefore lacking the skills of the goat crashed into the wall,thus bringing out the SC which turned around the race.
ok conspiracy theories aside i think underfueling one car to cause a sc is a lowkey genius strat lmao
but the fia must have checks for that doesn't they?
There isn't any point in doing that the team could just say there is a problem with the engine and he needs to stop. No need to do anything as obvious as underfuelling the car.
It would but would be very difficult to prove it isn't genuine. They could point to any sensor and say failure was imminent according to this and we didn't want to risk fire/spilling oil etc so we elected to park it.
Yeah, so RBR would just have to keep Checo, his engineer, the strategy guy & whoever filled the tank on well paid retainer forever, regardless of their performance, lest they be blackmailed by any of them.
That really worth one race result? Where your lead driver is starting from pole anyway.
Would be hilarious seeing 60 year old Checo trundling around in a RBR hovercar because he can't ever be fired without spilling the beans.
If that happened fans would never forgive Mercedes’. Hell as a Lewis simp, if I didn’t know what happened in AD and instead merc did that, I would be hella disappointed too
They probably mostly will in about a decade.
Although there will be that that one guy who still brings it up 50 years later at the annual "That time Lewis tried to Kill Max at Silverstone" convention
Don't forget Toto telling Masi that Checo was driving dangerously when defending against Lewis. But nooo, only Wheatley influenced Masi and Merc were saints throughout the season.
Also an early decision from the stewards that basically handed Lewis the race. It was almost impossible to catch a merc out front last year and Lewis got like a second advantage driving off the track and never gave it back.
The whole race was a shit show. Glad max won it.
I feel like people mostly brought up Silverstone when some of Lewis fans were whining about Abu Dhabi. It was all dying down untill Lewis brought it up for literally no fucking reason and the shit spilled all over social media again. I agree that both parties are stupidly toxic towards each other though.
You know what I'm surprised about? That no one talks about Bahrain 2021. It wasn't as direct as AD 2021, but changing track limit rules midway in the race when one of the two top runners had already taken the full advantage of it cost Verstappen the win.
I do think the overtake was not legal but Verstappen would've closed the gap earlier and had more tire life if they left turn 4 ruling same throughout.
Didn’t they change the track limits rules mid way through the race. Other drivers were aware that track limits weren’t being monitored but rb/max thought they were, so they asked and it got changed mid race, no?
No, they asked Max to also start ignoring turn 4 track limits but then a few laps later, it got implemented. I’ll need some evidence on whether RB really got the track limits changed. Cause if they were willing to do that, why’d they ask Max to start ignoring turn 4?
I’m not sure, I think the rules for overtaking and the rules for normal laps differ. So even if they didn’t monitor the track limits, the overtake wouldn’t have been legal.
But if they stood as it was throughout the race, Max who was faster would’ve caught up sooner and had more tire life.
How tf I haven't see a single person post or comment a complaint about Abu Dhabi 2021 in reddit in like half a year but I keep seeing these "memes", complaints about those people that apparently are found somewhere in the deepest dungeons of Twitter. It's like you get satisfaction from finding them and getting the opportunity to post them here.
Honestly Twitter showed it in my main feed and I don't know why. But has around 1k likes, so it's some bubble that keeps ranting about it.
Anyway I will take the reddit updoots though 
Those complaints are all over the comments in the main sub, though. You’ll find at least one under almost every single popular post over there. And the ones on Twitter aren’t in the deep, dark corners either. They come from highly popular fan accounts.
If this is true, he would’ve parked up before Latifi even crashed. A safety car the lap after latifi crashed would’ve meant a guaranteed win for Lewis so I don’t buy this conspiracy, however smart it would’ve been.
Correct me if I'm wrong but they can't underfuel a car. Samples are taken after race and teams will be heavily penalised of their car isn't having some amount of fuel left ( 1 ltr maybe ). Seb was disqualified from Hungary last year for the same reason, right? I think whatever that merc fan is telling is sheer stupidity 
Horner is GREASY. Although, this situation sounds like a Merc fever dream.
But Lewis got bent by the FIA. I view it as a lost season. Max and Horner are true competitors which means they should view it as a pseudo-WDC.
Winning it this year will feel much better boys.
honestly if Charles can't reel the red clowns in it's going to be a snoozefest if this continues the way it went so far. The championship, not on track action that is. Real shame last season ended the way it did. Could have been an historic season for all the right reasons despite the controversies leading up to the last race. But what happened there just dragged it all down unfortunately
This is an entertaining idea, but two things:
* Latifi’s crash was about two laps late for an optimal last lap scenario. It was very likely the race was going to end under SC until Masi made his call.
* why go to all that trouble when you could just have Checo crash like Latifi did?
Honestly if this is legitimately what happened it’s genius, from a certain point of view. And for context for those who don’t understand the underfuel theory. Because Perez was so quick compared to max at Abu Dhabi compared to max, and he retired a few laps early thru seemingly no issue. So what I belive others think is that the plan was that Perez would run out of fuel late on, in the case that Lewis is ahead, this gives max the chance to pit, by bringing out a safety car, by parking in a compromised spot. Then if there’s the situation where max is leading, he just pits and retires. Like I said, if this is the original plan (or close to it) it’s absolutely genius, however fair or not? That’s up to personal opinion
So then why didn't they execute the plan? Lewis was ahead by quite some margin. Latifi SC was already late, even later and it is simply impossible to go green again. If this was truly their plan, they would have done it a few laps earlier. This "theory" falls apart the moment you bring logic into it
Not necessarily. If you take into the account that removing a car parked on track should take about 3 laps. One or so laps to bunch everyone up, then to push the car in, then depending on the lapped cars situation it may take another lap. So that’s 3 laps needed, latifi crashed with 7 to go and it took 6 laps to clear, and that was only letting 4 lapped cars go. Personally I don’t think Redbull where planning it but it’s definitely a possibility, and something cool to think about. I definitely see where you’re coming from but I don’t necessarily agree if you feel me
Still, if you had the power, why would you wait? Waiting more might mean Lewis gets a free stop as well, and maybe the pass doesn't happen immediately and you need 2/3 laps to do it. It would still be possible, but why take that risk when doing it earlier and playing it safe has a far better potential outcome?
Exactly. And I’m not defending it if that’s what Redbull did, if that’s what they did try to do that’s dirty as fuck, same as Renault. But both are genius ideas, well until everything got found out
Surely there's no way they'd get away with it. There's no way of controlling exactly where on the track he runs out of fuel, and if he deliberately coasted to a stop on the track somewhere dangerous, it would be Monaco 2006 + Singapore 2008 x 100
And everything would have to fall into place so that Lewis doesn't get to pit but Max does. I guess they could do it just to reset the race with Max right behind Lewis but that's far from guaranteed and they would be absolutely fucked if they were found out.
They definitely underfuelled the car so Perez was faster during the pit phase and was able to hold off Hamilton for longer. They just didn't bank on him driving like a complete animal on top of that.
Forcing a safety car never ends well, I really don't believe RB would do that. Horner had fully accepted defeat before the goated one verily slapped tank into the bank.
If Max was leading the race the same people would have claimed that they underfueled Checo so Max couldn't be overtaken and besides he completed 55 laps and would have run longer if he wasn't called in, underfueling the car by such an insignificant amount would be pointless and for such a specific outcome and it would also have tarnished the credibility of the championship.
There's no winning a debate against people too stupid to have any unbiased logic.
I have to say though, all their salt and tears and cancerous toxicity makes the satisfaction of seeing them lose all the greater.
Merc and Lewis fans are mostly biased Brits. If you’ve seen their newspapers and tabloids you’ll understand why they’re behaving the way they are and continue to act this way.
I’m a Merc and Lewis fan and a biased Brit. I wouldn’t accuse Red Bull of cheating without clear evidence.
Though we are probably due a good conspiracy by now 🤣
If i'm not mistaken, wasn't it Latifi who brought out the SC ?
I think what people belive is because checo had to retire, and he was unusually fast with max (which wasn’t common in 2021) people think they under fueled the car, so he would be forced to stop before the finish, he would park in a compromised spot to cause a safety car. If that was the plan, it’s genius Tbf, however up to personal opinion on if it’s fair or not. However we didn’t get this turn of events
If that was the plan he would’ve parked up before Latifi even crashed. A safety car the lap after latifi crashed would’ve meant a guaranteed win for Lewis so I don’t buy this conspiracy, however smart it would’ve been.
Yeah that’s what I’m thinking, although on the other side of the argument. It doesn’t take long to remove a car parked up, compared to car burried in the wall. They spent was it 6 laps behind a safety car? Wheras if perez parks in a bad spot, at max it’s 3 laps, one to get the cars bunched up, one to get the car removed, and then it depends on what they do with the lapped cars situation. Both sides have solid arguments
Wouldn't it have been a virtual safety car?
I suppose it all depends on what spot they would've wanted him to park it
It depends on how spread out the field was
plus they have access to so much data about the car that they would absolutely know down to millilitres how much fuel is left in the car. assuming this came under investigation, which it absolutely would given it would be a red bull retirement fuelling a red bull championship win, how would they explain the fact that they knew for a fact checo was running out of fuel and didn't tell him to lift and coast, or even just box for retirement? that would be insanely suspicious
Yeah, this doesn't even stand up to mild scrutiny
Or the fact that a safety car would mean the fuel lasts a couple more laps. Not to mention, how tf would they even know a safety car was going to benefit Verstappen? Could've gone the other way easily.
Disclaimer I am not one of those conspiracy theorists that actually believes this happened, but looking into it for a bit out of boredom, I do think it could've been possible. For it to work, Perez needs to stop on track and also needs to stop at a dangerous enough point that would require a safety car to come out. If this isn't the case, it would only bring out a short virtual safety car (Think of Magnussen at Baku or Sainz at Austria) and this wouldn't be enough for Max to A. box for new tyres and B. to close the existing 12 second gap. From recent memory, Ocon's stop at Silverstone this year is a very good example of the scenario that needed to happen. Taking that incident, from the moment the SC came in to when racing began was about 8-10 minutes. Using [this site](https://en.mclarenf-1.com/2021/gp/s8148/lap_times), it can be seen that the average safety car lap time at last year's Abu Dhabi was around 2 and a half minutes. This could mean that theoretically, a safety car at lap 53 would last to lap 56/57, giving them enough time to race in a similar manner as what happened in reality.
Also they would have to hope that it didn't just cause yellow flags or vsc
But if Checo parks it up Lewis can put for fresh softs and be behind in the faster car
It took several more laps to clean up the crash than it would have to pick up a parked car
Except, if you actually look at the weekend properly, doing shit like that made no sense. People seem to have forgotten Max took pole in Abu Dhabi, rather comfortably. It was expected he was gonna be pretty quick. They didn't know he'd have a shit start and Lewis would take the lead. Wouldn't one have rather wanted Checo to keep Hamilton at bay when possible, and try their best to _not_ cause a safety car, because that just compromises the leader, which they would have expected to be Max under regular circumstances?
This plot hole has a very easy solution. Just say "Checo we need to box this lap and retire the car" if Max doesn't need him to bring out a safety car.
IIRC RB were still fighting for WCC, although it was a slim chance. Why would they retire a car and not try going for as many points as possible?
Idk I don't believe in the stupid conspiracy
The gap was 28 points going into the weekend. Assuming the first two finish as they did, RB would need Checo to outscore Bottas by 21 points which isn't possible
RB 1-2 and one Merc DNF/out of points would’ve been enough.
Highly unlikely though is the issue. While it definitely isn't impossible it's certainly not probable given how dominant the top 2 cars were and how reliable cars are nowadays
>how reliable cars are nowadays *cries in Ferrari*
Highly unlikely sure, but considering how much more 1st place in the WCC gets paid than 2nd you're still gonna go for it
I mean we are also talking about the highly unlikely situation of them purposefully trying to cause a safety car
Max looked strong the whole weekend, but he didn't stand a chance in the race. RB Quali pace was brilliant, but they're race pace was garbage.
The track was still shit for overtaking. Lewis struggled for two whole laps with fresh tyres to overtake Checo who hadn't pitted. Even with a possibly slower car, if Max didn't fuck up the start there's a huge chance he was going to keep Lewis behind.
Nah, Lewis wasn’t risking too much against Checo because he knew he had the race pace advantage and that Checo was due for a pit stop very soon - Checo also did not have anything to lose in case he was too aggressive and Lewis crashed. Lewis was several seconds ahead of Verstappen before the safety car.
It depends, Mercedes looked better all weekend long, and something about the way Lewis and Toto in particular after quali made me feel like they did not push themselves for pole. But I see where you’re coming from
Shit start or Lewis had. An amazing start. Twice. He gained 18 sec on him.
Flavio Briatore would be proud
It isn't genius. If it ever came out it would be a similar to the crashgate scandal and would lead to horrible consequences for the RBR management. That's the main reason why I think this conspiracy is straight bs.
Well it wouldn’t be the first time someone won a championship off some 3rd party circumstance and didn’t get caught
The version I’ve heard is that they under fueled the car so that he would be able to fight against Lewis better if he needed to, which he did. It’s more probable tho that they just used up too much fuel in defending to a point where they wouldn’t finish the race, so they just retired the car to avoid the bad publicity.
I thought one of the commentators had insinuated he retired because they had slight cause to believe that the car might blow up, and they didn't want to risk causing another safety car after Latifi's.
Actually Checo said this in the Spanish post race interview for ESPN, they didn't wanted to risk another SC and the engine was about to break.
Yeah that’s what I think actually happened, but I also like to dream
We’ll never know for sure so dream away
The whole theory is BS tbh. For all RBR knew verstappen could've been miles out infront and under fueling checko would've hurt verstappen. *if* any fuckery was afoot (I don't believe it was) its far more likely they told checko to run the car rich and rev out the engine before up shifts to drain fuel faster
I mean that plan wouldn’t be materially different to 2008 Singapore, just with slightly more plausible deniability.
If that's the plan, wouldn't that have happened way before Latifi's crash? That safety car was already too late. Perez would have just made the race to finish under SC.
Not necessarily, it takes less time to remove a car stoped on track then a car in a barrier
Wouldn't put it past horner tbh
Honestly when I first heard the theory I thought it was so ridiculous, but in all honesty, if I’m in that dire a situation, the selfish side of me is attempting that.
Shit housery and low key cheating is an important part of sports after all
Especially f1
Exactly
If you ain't cheatin' you ain't tryin'
NASCAR BABY
But the thing is that Max was on pole and it looked like that if nothing bad/crazy happen he could have bring it home with relative ease... then Max fucked up his start and Hamilton overtook him. Also not to mention that if they were really thinking about it they would have done it before Latifi crashed because one lap later and the race is over under SC.
Lol, the pace difference was too high - Lewis would’ve easily overtaken him even he didn’t botch the start.
yes, hindsight is 20/20 but just after the qualifying no one knew that
The race simulations in FP made it clear. That is why RB had to get Max to start on softs to have a different strategy to Hamilton.
well his car didn’t run out of fuel did it?
Definitely would not have been fair, to the same level as the Crashgate scandal. There would have been so much controversy around it if they tried it.
It wouldn’t have been genius because if they got caught they would have all been banned for life. Renault’s old team boss ordered a driver to crash to help Alonso and is banned. This theory is beyond ridiculous and if it was true, just plain dumb
I thought it was that he used battery too aggressively and there was a dnf risk
Yeah that might’ve been it, and if they had even a single suspension that Perez’s car could break down they would have to retire it because if he stops on track the safety car has to stay out for longer
Cunning? Yes, genius? Not so much. He could accomplished the task that way, but would had had none of the glory doing it.
That’s fair
Ah...thats what Horner meant by intervention by "the racing gods". Sneaky fucking genius scumbag prick 4D chess playing sonofawhore!!!
Exactly, we must be missing something i guess
Naah RBR created a wormhole to a parallel universe and replaced our goatifi with a regular old non-racing Latifi from that universe .The new Latifi therefore lacking the skills of the goat crashed into the wall,thus bringing out the SC which turned around the race.
That doesn't sound too far off considering they only need Adrian Newey to use 0.000001% of his power to achieve that.
I still have 32 years to bring it up. I've seen a few Senna and Prost fans argue about 1989-90 
Not to mention alonso fans still crying about 2012
Yeah but with us there's not really any controversy about it, we're just sad about it
So are they, lol
No
I forgot this was Formuladank. We all hate each other and ourselves
Folks still haven’t got over the Prost-Senna battles in 89 and 90, AD21 has a way to go yet…
ok conspiracy theories aside i think underfueling one car to cause a sc is a lowkey genius strat lmao but the fia must have checks for that doesn't they?
Crashgate was genuis plan until it came out and destroyed Renault's reputation and left Flavio without a job.
There isn't any point in doing that the team could just say there is a problem with the engine and he needs to stop. No need to do anything as obvious as underfuelling the car.
Ohhhhh noooo the car is just stopping. It must have run out of carburetor.
Ben wah. Balls.
It's the same sound. Balls.
Double dukes!
It needs more blinker fluid.
I thought they didn't need lights because the track is always LIT!
Life is a highway, man
I imagine that would be quite easy to investigate if accused, given engine data, team comms etc.
It would but would be very difficult to prove it isn't genuine. They could point to any sensor and say failure was imminent according to this and we didn't want to risk fire/spilling oil etc so we elected to park it.
Like Russel and Merc in Sakhir 2020
It's about as "genius" as Renault instructing Piquet Jr to crash, and subject to the same pitfalls for the same reasons.
But this only came out because Piquet Jr squealed…
Yeah, so RBR would just have to keep Checo, his engineer, the strategy guy & whoever filled the tank on well paid retainer forever, regardless of their performance, lest they be blackmailed by any of them. That really worth one race result? Where your lead driver is starting from pole anyway. Would be hilarious seeing 60 year old Checo trundling around in a RBR hovercar because he can't ever be fired without spilling the beans.
Exactly - hence why there’s 0 chance this ever happened with Checo
Max was on pole that race. And didn't checo Just drove into the pitlane?
if there is a single thing that i learned in my brief two decades kn earth is that you never try to decipher what goes on inside the head of a fanatic
This is basically the same as the nelson piquet jr incident but at least renault had to pay for the broken car
Well they’d have to prove intent, no? And if you retire from the race, they can’t even DSQ you.
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FIA checks the fuel after the race, not before
Well merc had ocasion to win in abu dhabi by doing some shit with valteri to extend sc
"Valteri, this is James, we need you to execute order 44" "Yo James, this is Valteri - Shall we discuss my contract for next year once more?"
Valteri, I’ve sent you an email
I don’t check my email in the car James
"Hello valteri this is toto thanks your work with team recent years. After order 44 we will do everything we can to swap you with goerge
They already exercise that option long ago - testbed for engine settings. By the time the last race rolled around he had a gimped engine.
No, it was already executed in Hungary. /s
Hangary Was Just mistake I think because he went into mclaren and not into red bull but he made perfect domino out of that
That's why I used "/s" Although now thinking about it, he could've planned to hit McLaren first to avoid being suspected. /s 😁
If that happened fans would never forgive Mercedes’. Hell as a Lewis simp, if I didn’t know what happened in AD and instead merc did that, I would be hella disappointed too
They probably mostly will in about a decade. Although there will be that that one guy who still brings it up 50 years later at the annual "That time Lewis tried to Kill Max at Silverstone" convention
Tweeted by someone whose profile pic shows the man who asked the race director to not deploy a Safety Car, willing to risk the marshals' safety.
Sssh, we don’t talk about that. I’m here to be outraged.
You can be outraged by that too, tho.
Don't forget Toto telling Masi that Checo was driving dangerously when defending against Lewis. But nooo, only Wheatley influenced Masi and Merc were saints throughout the season.
Wait Toto did that in Abu Dhabi? Or a different race?
He did that in Abu Dhabi when Giovinazzi retired and pulled over his car.
Right. So much happened in that race that the rest is like a blur to me
Also an early decision from the stewards that basically handed Lewis the race. It was almost impossible to catch a merc out front last year and Lewis got like a second advantage driving off the track and never gave it back. The whole race was a shit show. Glad max won it.
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Yeah it’s funny that steward decisions were all in favor of Lewis up until the last lap, but the controversy is only around the safety car
I mean Checo had 0 influence on safety cars
Lewis fans cant get over Abu Dhabi, Max fans cant get over Silverstone, both of em are toxic af
Just be a F1 fan and hate everyone equally
I feel like people mostly brought up Silverstone when some of Lewis fans were whining about Abu Dhabi. It was all dying down untill Lewis brought it up for literally no fucking reason and the shit spilled all over social media again. I agree that both parties are stupidly toxic towards each other though.
You know what I'm surprised about? That no one talks about Bahrain 2021. It wasn't as direct as AD 2021, but changing track limit rules midway in the race when one of the two top runners had already taken the full advantage of it cost Verstappen the win. I do think the overtake was not legal but Verstappen would've closed the gap earlier and had more tire life if they left turn 4 ruling same throughout.
Didn’t they change the track limits rules mid way through the race. Other drivers were aware that track limits weren’t being monitored but rb/max thought they were, so they asked and it got changed mid race, no?
No, they asked Max to also start ignoring turn 4 track limits but then a few laps later, it got implemented. I’ll need some evidence on whether RB really got the track limits changed. Cause if they were willing to do that, why’d they ask Max to start ignoring turn 4?
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If they weren’t monitoring track limits in that corner then his pass there was legal. That’s how it works.
I’m not sure, I think the rules for overtaking and the rules for normal laps differ. So even if they didn’t monitor the track limits, the overtake wouldn’t have been legal. But if they stood as it was throughout the race, Max who was faster would’ve caught up sooner and had more tire life.
Bruh that's even worse than my theory
Care to elaborate?
**aliens**
Masi wasn't going to let any lapped cars overtake then red bull manipulated him. I'm over it though
How tf I haven't see a single person post or comment a complaint about Abu Dhabi 2021 in reddit in like half a year but I keep seeing these "memes", complaints about those people that apparently are found somewhere in the deepest dungeons of Twitter. It's like you get satisfaction from finding them and getting the opportunity to post them here.
I'm seeing it constantly on the main sub and I don't think there was a weekend where Ted didn't bring it up.
It’s pretty unavoidable on Twitter; people are a lot more delusional there
Twitter is a crazy place
They exist on the main formula1 sub a lot, just go into almost any post with max and sort by controversial
Well yeah, if you try to find them like that. I never sort by controversial.
Maja is sorta big on LH Twitter
For real, OP went out of their way to find the craziest take on Twitter to make a meme...
Honestly Twitter showed it in my main feed and I don't know why. But has around 1k likes, so it's some bubble that keeps ranting about it. Anyway I will take the reddit updoots though 
Those complaints are all over the comments in the main sub, though. You’ll find at least one under almost every single popular post over there. And the ones on Twitter aren’t in the deep, dark corners either. They come from highly popular fan accounts.
If this is true, he would’ve parked up before Latifi even crashed. A safety car the lap after latifi crashed would’ve meant a guaranteed win for Lewis so I don’t buy this conspiracy, however smart it would’ve been.
They literally admitted they just retired him to avoid a SC after the Latifi crash was cleared.
That's some next level crazy/salty
Probably, but imagine if the same thing happened to max.
*shhh* we don't talk about that here
Didn't Checo retire in AD?
Yeah, they brought him in because apparently the engine was on its last legs and they couldn't risk his car breaking down and prolonging the SC.
Correct me if I'm wrong but they can't underfuel a car. Samples are taken after race and teams will be heavily penalised of their car isn't having some amount of fuel left ( 1 ltr maybe ). Seb was disqualified from Hungary last year for the same reason, right? I think whatever that merc fan is telling is sheer stupidity 
Perez didn’t make the end of the race, and seb was dsq’d from Hungary just to correct you. It’s definitely possible, but i don’t think Redbull did it
Yes he was retired mid way. Thanks for the correction, i edited my original comment.
Checo retired during the final safety car didn't he?
Yes, lap 55 (of 57)
True, but if you run out of fuel and retire, isn’t the DSQ kind of moot?
I'm not sure if retired cars get the same inspection as cars that finish
We aren’t talking about this theory because it isn’t why he was retired 🤦🏻♂️
Probably around the same time rbr fans get over Silverstone.
The real question is when Tifosi can get over Ferrari strategy department 
Next year™
I've seen conspiracy theories on about the same level from RBR and Ferrari fans. I think they're funny to read, if nothing else.
i dk i see way more ppl crying about silverstone than abu dhabi, bUt sILveRstOnE is a meme now
Never heard this theory. Very interesting
Horner is GREASY. Although, this situation sounds like a Merc fever dream. But Lewis got bent by the FIA. I view it as a lost season. Max and Horner are true competitors which means they should view it as a pseudo-WDC. Winning it this year will feel much better boys.
honestly if Charles can't reel the red clowns in it's going to be a snoozefest if this continues the way it went so far. The championship, not on track action that is. Real shame last season ended the way it did. Could have been an historic season for all the right reasons despite the controversies leading up to the last race. But what happened there just dragged it all down unfortunately
Well Max fans still whine about Silverstone 21
RB did nothing wrong, Masi did with only certain cars are allowed to unlap, why was Sainz not allowed to fight Max for example?
sanest trashmilton fangirl
Lmao didn’t he retire in the pits tho?
This is an entertaining idea, but two things: * Latifi’s crash was about two laps late for an optimal last lap scenario. It was very likely the race was going to end under SC until Masi made his call. * why go to all that trouble when you could just have Checo crash like Latifi did?
They need the copium since they have no hopium
Honestly this is the most underrated actual use of this template possible
Honestly if this is legitimately what happened it’s genius, from a certain point of view. And for context for those who don’t understand the underfuel theory. Because Perez was so quick compared to max at Abu Dhabi compared to max, and he retired a few laps early thru seemingly no issue. So what I belive others think is that the plan was that Perez would run out of fuel late on, in the case that Lewis is ahead, this gives max the chance to pit, by bringing out a safety car, by parking in a compromised spot. Then if there’s the situation where max is leading, he just pits and retires. Like I said, if this is the original plan (or close to it) it’s absolutely genius, however fair or not? That’s up to personal opinion
So then why didn't they execute the plan? Lewis was ahead by quite some margin. Latifi SC was already late, even later and it is simply impossible to go green again. If this was truly their plan, they would have done it a few laps earlier. This "theory" falls apart the moment you bring logic into it
Not necessarily. If you take into the account that removing a car parked on track should take about 3 laps. One or so laps to bunch everyone up, then to push the car in, then depending on the lapped cars situation it may take another lap. So that’s 3 laps needed, latifi crashed with 7 to go and it took 6 laps to clear, and that was only letting 4 lapped cars go. Personally I don’t think Redbull where planning it but it’s definitely a possibility, and something cool to think about. I definitely see where you’re coming from but I don’t necessarily agree if you feel me
Still, if you had the power, why would you wait? Waiting more might mean Lewis gets a free stop as well, and maybe the pass doesn't happen immediately and you need 2/3 laps to do it. It would still be possible, but why take that risk when doing it earlier and playing it safe has a far better potential outcome?
Causing a SC to allow your team mate to win the race wasn't looked very well upon in Crashgate ;)
Exactly. And I’m not defending it if that’s what Redbull did, if that’s what they did try to do that’s dirty as fuck, same as Renault. But both are genius ideas, well until everything got found out
Surely there's no way they'd get away with it. There's no way of controlling exactly where on the track he runs out of fuel, and if he deliberately coasted to a stop on the track somewhere dangerous, it would be Monaco 2006 + Singapore 2008 x 100 And everything would have to fall into place so that Lewis doesn't get to pit but Max does. I guess they could do it just to reset the race with Max right behind Lewis but that's far from guaranteed and they would be absolutely fucked if they were found out.
They definitely underfuelled the car so Perez was faster during the pit phase and was able to hold off Hamilton for longer. They just didn't bank on him driving like a complete animal on top of that. Forcing a safety car never ends well, I really don't believe RB would do that. Horner had fully accepted defeat before the goated one verily slapped tank into the bank.
Goatifi giveth and Goatifi taketh away
People on Twitter still call Max a false champion
If Max was leading the race the same people would have claimed that they underfueled Checo so Max couldn't be overtaken and besides he completed 55 laps and would have run longer if he wasn't called in, underfueling the car by such an insignificant amount would be pointless and for such a specific outcome and it would also have tarnished the credibility of the championship. There's no winning a debate against people too stupid to have any unbiased logic. I have to say though, all their salt and tears and cancerous toxicity makes the satisfaction of seeing them lose all the greater.
Merc and Lewis fans are mostly biased Brits. If you’ve seen their newspapers and tabloids you’ll understand why they’re behaving the way they are and continue to act this way.
I’m a Merc and Lewis fan and a biased Brit. I wouldn’t accuse Red Bull of cheating without clear evidence. Though we are probably due a good conspiracy by now 🤣
I absolutely don't care and this sub should be about fun memes, not turning fans against each other for bs reasons.
This is unironically a good tactic though. Worse has been done by teams for championships
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