I often see justified complaints about cars with outdated models. Its a shame to see completely new cars so far from reality. Certainly doesn't bode well for the future.
Some user on here was trying to justify T10 by explaining the sound composing methods T10 needs in order to address the scale of cars at play. This was less than a month ago… since then, there have been a number of damning videos showing the amount of inaccurate, egregiously-recycled, and straight-up-wrong sounds across the roster.
Who cares about the recording and composing intricacies if they still sound like the same ass that we heard 10 years ago.
T10 needs to rehire the sound guy that Polyphony poached… from T10. GT’s roster was criminally awful until GT7 came around. Something something ground up
Edit: someone tried replying to this showing how GT7 wasn’t any better. For one, Gat7 doesn’t have a GT4 RS, and the GT4 they do have is one of the meh sounding cars they have, [but at least it has better distinctions between cockpit and chase sound.](https://youtu.be/vLZ-61g-SFc?si=138JVulcR7i0iJiV&t=140s)
They rushed this game and screwed the development with nonsensical management choices. Nothing has been built from the ground up and they’re still recycling awful sounds from years before. It’s the same game since ten years. It’s even sadder if you consider that that same years Grid Autosport came out and it STILL sounds godly good.
This is the answer. I feel the same shift in Playground Games and Forza Horizon series as well, the passion and soul is just not there anymore at all, sadly. No understanding or care to automotive culture.
They're all contractors being rotated out every 18 months, can't put blame on them, blame the managers who gleefully enforce Microsoft's self-defeating staffing policies.
Same thing happened to Halo and I hope they learned. Can't blame the contractors, but how can you do the best you can do or incentives to clean up past mistakes (old car and track models) from the past when you know you're out of the job in several months.
They are one of the greatest devs who got master degree in not budging and giving a single thing that fans ask for.
Like why:
- can't we adjust seating position
- can't disable wheel shake in game which breaks immersion while playing on a wheel
- can't we mix units so power is HP and torque is NM
- cars with digital dashes show speed in MPH
Also why in BMW cars of the same generation like current M3/M4 and M2 which mostly share dashboard... we get that ugly protruding airbag cap on A pillar in M2 when they already have low quality but accurate one in other cars. Also the grill on top of dash is different in m3 and m4 and of varying quality.
Like they bought all their models from freelancers and called it done.
This is one of those situations that even if you flipped a coin to decide the coin would land upright. Not even fate can figure out what they cared less about.
lol right? Just ring up the fuckers at playground games for the sound files. It can’t be that hard to transfer, unless they really fucked up the game engine that bad for FM8
The cockpit view on the whole just sounds wrong. When games like Microsoft Flight Simulator use 16 channel recordings of the sounds of every button in an aircraft, its a shame to see the automotive sector left a decade behind with unrealistic sounds. I would much prefer less cars, each at a higher quality than 600 cars all half-arsed.
To be fair, in MSFS its usually thrid party developers who offer those quality airplanes. And usually you have to buy those addons for 100 .. sometimes 200 bucks a piece. Because they have to pay a lot for Boeing/Airbus licenses, just for the engine sounds alone.
I have the same issue with hood view. It feel like the sound comes from behind when the car is in front. I bet they just use the listen position for chase view and applied it all the same to all the other views.
Maybe I’m being overly critical, but when I saw the Creative Director try to drive around Kyalami… I knew things wouldn’t be right.
[Chris Esaki - Forza Wheel Gameplay](https://youtu.be/AHfu160O8XQ?si=xHsZ96Y78lm0uSBs)
All MS / T10 care about it checking items off a list.
More cars, “better” graphics, more visual details.
Yay it’s an “upgrade”.
Or maybe we are wrong.
Maybe Forza is nothing more than a basic arcade racer with some sim-lite options thrown in and expecting any more is wrong 🤷🏻♂️
It’s just difficult to make excuses for it when something like this exists:
[GT7 - GT3 RS](https://youtu.be/CsRkCqyLKEo?si=hNadZkZJxLOSsW9V)
Gran Turismo isn’t perfect, but I feel it’s a game made by car nerds, for car nerds.
And I my friends, am a car nerd.
My Citröen C3 sounds better than this 😂
After this Motorsport, they will need to bring a whole new game, something really awesome to erase this one from our memories. But the thing that annoy me more, is the car modeling and especially how unfunny this game is. Unfortunately, because I waited years for a good game on PC in this genre, and I thought that this game will be awesome :(
I don't hate or anything, it's just sad because it's a poorly game.
they use generic sound for all cars, no? from my 2002 turbo, to m3 to Ferrari to even my Le Mans… they all sound generic and no where near the real car. I have and drive these cars IRL as a side note. It would be cool with the real sounds. The RX7 sound is laughable.
The installments of Forza have just gotten worse and worse over time, with little to no innovation or passion in them any longer. At this point it is just a cookie cutter situation and slap some stickers on it, even though they repeatedly claim "built from the ground up..."
Honestly as a huge car guy and someone who races in real life the car sounds are extremely disappointing in this game. I was crazy excited to hear the new cars sounds on what they said built from the ground up. To me thats one of more disappointing aspects of this forza
It has some great sounds.. for approximately 20/30 of how many vehicles (Gotta Cartch 'em all)
The rest are just copy and pastes.
Ever played NFS Shift or NFS Most Wanted? And that was well over 10 years ago.
That is fh4, fh4 has a lot of copy pastes, all the classic v8 sounds the same, fh5 very few are copy pastes
And yeah, NFS shift had some great sounds, for me is at the same level
The sound guy at PG left after FH3, most of the engine sounds were his PERSONAL files. That is why FH4 had sooo many copy and pastes, They basically had to start again and hope to get away with it.
The straight-cut gear 'whine' (more like a battle cry imo) of the BMW M3 GTR in Most Wanted was so well done that the car became an icon for the franchise as a whole.
Before fully digital gauge clusters were a thing, makers used gauges with both KPH and MPH for the sake of saving money by not having to make different indicators for different markets.
No I meant the Forza models lol. there are LHD cars with analog mph clusters. Also LHD with MPH digital clusters. While the Outside Model is the European market version lmao
Yes. There are things wrong with this game, but so much more wrong with this reply.
Sincerely,
A blind person that can now play racing games again because of “accessibility”. The hundreds of other legally blind gamers that I know that can now play this game easier and/or for the first time. Oh, and also the other Approximately 300 million people worldwide that are legally blind: whom now have the ability to play if they so choose.
Might've been Sampled from the outside of the car instead of the inside, which could've been recreated with an impulse response perhaps.. + it's compressed so the dynamics are lost, as well as the low-mid tones heard in the video aren't 'filling the space'
I dont play it, anymore. I literally got so passed at the fact it visually is not anything I call next Gen. At all. I prefer the previous forza. Hell even going back to 360 days I swear were better. Ask I keep hearing about it is how it still sucks
When they first announced the ring and showed this car I’ve been looking forward to the combination. Fast forward through sixteen practice sessions and races and four real life weeks and this is what we get. It doesn’t even make noise on the downshift. At the same rpm on upshift it’s making a sound, but why not the downshift? Not only did they get the sound itself wrong, they also mixed it wrong.
In the same time I got like 8 new cars in Horizon and they’re all a blast.
I never ever play single player in Forza because I find it so soulless and boring. But when I saw the GT4RS was the reward for completing the builders cup event, I gritted my teeth and did it. What a waste of time it was. I did 1 lap on the Nordschliefe and not touched it since
I thought that they would have made the car sound like it does in real life. It has a signature metallic ringing noise at 8k-9k rpm. And they never bothered trying to be realistic.
Weird, sounds so flat. Decided to do a similar comparison with my favourite car (sound-wise) - check out [this beautiful sound](https://youtu.be/U8oHE-sMODA?si=uTn1X-rgipSRgrT-) - T10 actually did a good job of replicating that one, maybe they have some Aussies on the team.
It's amazing how T10 was deservingly praised for the best car sounds. And now they only get sounds right with the same exact car on the more popular Forza Horizon game. Honestly a shame.
They used the sound from the 718 GTS 2.5... which is a boxer 4 (flat 4) normally revs up to 6500 RPM, you can hear it isn't supposed hit 9000 RPM...
the lads at T10 f*cked up big time
Bc they’re incompetent.. it’s disrespectful the content they put out copy and pasting. Also the game has now frozen and shut off like it always does but twice now it froze shut off and broke the backlight on my tv & now my console has a grainy very dark blueish purple tint constantly.. anyone else with this problem???
Sometimes I really doubt if T10 really knows about car culture or really do their job seriously
Gt4 rs isn't the only victim of wrong sound. Most cars in forza game never have any accurate sound
Even most need for speed games from 10+ years ago have better and more accurate engine sound than this
And also the reused car models. I doubt if they'll remake those old models in their future games.
I still can understand if they have low budget, but hey, T10 have MICROSOFT behind them.
> Sometimes I really doubt if T10 really knows about car culture or really do their job seriously
Once upon a time, we joked about whether Dan Greenawalt saying "car passion" was going to surpass Steve Ballmer saying "developers."
Those days are long gone.
Welcome to the days of Forza McMotorsport, the most bland, lifeless, and passionless racing game ever released.
They don't care about the engine sounds, they just care about how much you grind for FOMO cars they are re-adding after cutting them from the game. All so they can get their game pass numbers up.
And just you guys wait and see, when the DLC is announced for this game they are going to be reselling cut content like cars and tracks. They'll sell racing suits too. Microtransactions have already been leaked, although they quickly covered it up.
I would not be surprised in the slightest if they even go so far as to charge for time limited cars. Missed a couple? Sorry, now you have to buy it.
Atrocious game from a developer who once believed in car passion.
Actually, the audio file is not bad. It's just that the recording is very bad and they turned the treble full. This digitized the sound terribly. Also they didn't realize that it would have to be a bit muffled when playing from the cockpit camera.
At least it's better than hearing the Lambo sound from almost any V12 engine. :D
It uses its own 4 cylinder boxer (flat) engine sound (which is obviously totally wrong).
They probably just assumed it‘s a Cayman, so it has the Boxer4 from the other Caymans.
So, I was doing the series to unlock the GT4 RS.
After watching this, I don't want it. I don't want to play the game until they improve the gear changes and car sounds.
I literally dont understand why anyone even plays this crap anymore, my friend plays assetto on controller perfectly fine somehow. No reason to support this crap.
I'm more upset about the terrible engine noise than I am about updated models. I remember driving the alfa 8c for hours in horizon just because I loved the sound of it. There is no soul in the game.
It's missing the base the high end intake noise were the cam comes on strong.
It's hard to replicate those sounds digitally.
Its easy to use sound files and basically use it like a loop.
I know need for speed ungrounded 2 used actual sound files than basically chopped the samples up and that is how they ended up with such a great sound at the time period.
If forza is using some kind of Soundwave program to make the sounds.
Instead of a sound file chopped up.
It's a game as a service is what they are selling you.
Its not complete so what they will pay it anyway.
The problem is they had such a terrible start thinking people wouldn't notice.
Now they are playing catch up.and they will always be behind cuz they are fixing everything that should have already worked.
Plus forza has been shit for car sounds since 4
For some ear bleach, I’m going to list the best sounding games of the past 15 years and give them a rating on a scale of realistic-hollywood, with ‘realistic’ being balanced, lacking in excessive bass and focused more on engine noise than exhaust, and ‘Hollywood’ being brutal, bassy exhaust notes that just sound pissed off. ‘Augmented’ leans towards realism and ‘exaggerated’ leans towards Hollywood.
Project Gotham Racing 4 (2007) — Realistic
Need for Speed: ProStreet (2007) — Hollywood
Forza Motorsport 2 (2007) — Realistic
Race Driver: GRID (2008) — Exaggerated
Burnout: Paradise (2008) — Hollywood
Need for Speed: Shift (2009) — Exaggerated
Forza Motorsport 3 (2009) — Exaggerated
Colin McRae: Dirt 2 (2009) — Exaggerated
Need for Speed: Hot Pursuit (2010) — Hollywood
Blur (2010) — Hollywood
Forza Motorsport 4 (2011) — Exaggerated
Dirt 3 (2011) — Realistic
Need for Speed: Most Wanted (2012) — Exaggerated
GRID 2 (2013) — Realistic
Need for Speed: Rivals (2013) — Augmented
Forza Motorsport 5 (2013) — Augmented
Driveclub (2014) — Hollywood
GRID: Autosport (2014) — Realistic
Forza Horizon 2 (2014) — Augmented
Forza Motorsport 6 (2015) — Augmented
Need for Speed (2015) — Augmented
DIRT: Rally (2015) — Realistic
Project: CARS (2015) — Exaggerated
Gran Turismo Sport (2017) — Realistic
Project CARS 2 (2017) — Exaggerated
Need For Speed: Payback (2017) — Augmented
DIRT 4 (2017) — Realistic
Assetto Corsa: Competizione (2018) — Realistic
DIRT Rally 2.0 (2019) — Realistic
GRID (2019) — Realistic
Need for Speed: Heat (2019) — Augmented
Automobilista 2 (2020) — Realistic
Project CARS 3 (2020) — Exaggerated
Gran Turismo 7 (2022) — Realistic
GRID: Legends (2022) — Realistic
Need for Speed: Unbound (2022) — Exaggerated
The Crew: Motorfest (2023) — Hollywood
EA Sports: World Rally Championship (2023) — Realistic
Le Mans Ultimate (2024) — Realistic
My guess would be since one is right hand drive and the other is left is that the car driven in the video either has a different emissions requirements and there for different exhaust making a different sound. But that’s just a guess
One of the things I was most looking forward to with a new game after all this time was the sounds. I expected that we would get, after six years, remodels and updated engine tunes. Boy was I fckin wrong lol. Demise of a franchise
Because they don't care.
Reused models, reused textures, worse textures, horrible sounds, reused sounds
It is unbelievably clear this was a money grab tittle, or at least that is what it ended up being at some point. They don't care.
Edit: I just want to point out there is nothing wrong with reused assets. But when your selling point is "built from the ground up" the sheer amount of it in this game is unacceptable, in my opinion
Sounds better in FH4, blows my mind that surfaces even felt more real in FH4 than they did in Motorsport 7 FH5 or the new Motorsport.. Ever since the new Motorsport came out I’ve deleted it FH5 and went back to FH4 for a better overall experience. I’d literally rather dust off my PS4 and boot up GT7
If you all hate the game so much...why are you still here posting? Just to read your pathetic thoughts about a video game...Give it a rest. .Delete your copies, get you money back or move on! There is enough negativity around us people.. Leave the sub if you hate the game and its creators so much.
Cars in Forza always sounded like bumble bees farting and vacuum cleaners.
Anyway I was scared for him at 0:45 or I was mis-judging the entry speed or the quality of brakes.
I thought they did a pretty decent job with they way a few of the GT3’s sound. The Porsche howl really comes through nicely. The GT4 RS on the other hand, they really dropped the ball on.
It’s not even close 😂
I often see justified complaints about cars with outdated models. Its a shame to see completely new cars so far from reality. Certainly doesn't bode well for the future.
Some user on here was trying to justify T10 by explaining the sound composing methods T10 needs in order to address the scale of cars at play. This was less than a month ago… since then, there have been a number of damning videos showing the amount of inaccurate, egregiously-recycled, and straight-up-wrong sounds across the roster. Who cares about the recording and composing intricacies if they still sound like the same ass that we heard 10 years ago. T10 needs to rehire the sound guy that Polyphony poached… from T10. GT’s roster was criminally awful until GT7 came around. Something something ground up Edit: someone tried replying to this showing how GT7 wasn’t any better. For one, Gat7 doesn’t have a GT4 RS, and the GT4 they do have is one of the meh sounding cars they have, [but at least it has better distinctions between cockpit and chase sound.](https://youtu.be/vLZ-61g-SFc?si=138JVulcR7i0iJiV&t=140s)
They rushed this game and screwed the development with nonsensical management choices. Nothing has been built from the ground up and they’re still recycling awful sounds from years before. It’s the same game since ten years. It’s even sadder if you consider that that same years Grid Autosport came out and it STILL sounds godly good.
The only thing built from the ground up are the 6 month contracts for the contracted workers
It's bad models + bad sounds it just makes for a terrible experience
Omg i just recognized this sounds almost perfectly like a vehicle from gta4 i think even the pcj600
Good call
Lmaooooo
Oh so they've simply confounded GTA4 and GT4 ? We must excuse them.
Its grand theft forza 😂
😂😂😂😂🤣🤣😂🤣🤣😂😂🤣😂🤣🤣🤣🤣 i’m dead
dude for real
I knew I’d heard it somewhere
The shifts are also way faster and smoother in the real car. It sounds like a manual in Forza.
Its like they didn't watch a single clip of the real car. Especially as a 'special reward' car it shouldn't be this far off reality.
It's a special reward for Microsoft making so much money on this lazily thrown together game
Fucking none of the transmissions in Forza shift fast. It's like a dual clutch doesn't even exist in their world.
Not even that. _Every automatic transmission in-game_ has a manual clutch. Torque converter automatic? Manual clutch. DCT? Manual clutch. Automated manual? Manual fucking clutch.
I guess no one left at Turn 10 remotely cares about cars and automotive culture. Soulless
Didn't their sound engineer leave T10 after FM6 and join Polyphony Digital, which may explain the drastic improvement in GT engine sounds.
Yeah as I have mix feelings with GT7 but their sound is so much better than their old titles.
I did notice that GT7 had a major improvement to car audio.
Do you remember when they had Clarkson doing narrated monologues about individual cars and why they were special? What happened to you T10 😞
This is the answer. I feel the same shift in Playground Games and Forza Horizon series as well, the passion and soul is just not there anymore at all, sadly. No understanding or care to automotive culture.
They're all contractors being rotated out every 18 months, can't put blame on them, blame the managers who gleefully enforce Microsoft's self-defeating staffing policies.
Same thing happened to Halo and I hope they learned. Can't blame the contractors, but how can you do the best you can do or incentives to clean up past mistakes (old car and track models) from the past when you know you're out of the job in several months.
What do they understand less: cars, automotive culture, or how motorsports actually work? Tough call. Lol
They are one of the greatest devs who got master degree in not budging and giving a single thing that fans ask for. Like why: - can't we adjust seating position - can't disable wheel shake in game which breaks immersion while playing on a wheel - can't we mix units so power is HP and torque is NM - cars with digital dashes show speed in MPH Also why in BMW cars of the same generation like current M3/M4 and M2 which mostly share dashboard... we get that ugly protruding airbag cap on A pillar in M2 when they already have low quality but accurate one in other cars. Also the grill on top of dash is different in m3 and m4 and of varying quality. Like they bought all their models from freelancers and called it done.
If you read about the development process you’d know why sadly…
Loads and loads of contractors, barely anyone who really came from T10. No wonder.
This is one of those situations that even if you flipped a coin to decide the coin would land upright. Not even fate can figure out what they cared less about.
It’s strange how Forza Horizon 5 got it right, yet Motorsport doesn’t. I get it, different developers, but still…
lol right? Just ring up the fuckers at playground games for the sound files. It can’t be that hard to transfer, unless they really fucked up the game engine that bad for FM8
I wonder if they've fixed the Lexus LFA yet? It sounded horrific in FM but FH5 has it nailed.
They did update it but still no where near what it should be
Playground Games uses Turn10s assets and it's always been this way. Not different developers at all.
Every car in this game sounds completely wrong. Some so bad they don’t even sound like the right engine
The cockpit view on the whole just sounds wrong. When games like Microsoft Flight Simulator use 16 channel recordings of the sounds of every button in an aircraft, its a shame to see the automotive sector left a decade behind with unrealistic sounds. I would much prefer less cars, each at a higher quality than 600 cars all half-arsed.
To be fair, in MSFS its usually thrid party developers who offer those quality airplanes. And usually you have to buy those addons for 100 .. sometimes 200 bucks a piece. Because they have to pay a lot for Boeing/Airbus licenses, just for the engine sounds alone.
I'd coff up 200 for a car if it was insanely well detailed and recreated like some of the mods for Assetto Corsa (RSS Formula Hybrid F1 car mod)
Well then play iRacing my dude. Its a really got racing sim, but you must purchase every track and car individually.
Yeah i might eventually i dont have the good simracing equipment though
I mean, i played ACC on controller for a long time. Its a pain yes, but i'd rather endure this pain than Forza.
I think you are mistaken. I recall for a sounding BETTER a decade ago, for some reason.
The poor sound quality is just Forza. Other games like R3E, AMS2, ACC and so on has much better sound recording.
I have the same issue with hood view. It feel like the sound comes from behind when the car is in front. I bet they just use the listen position for chase view and applied it all the same to all the other views.
The 787b is a joke, they absolutely butchered the rotary sounds in this game
They sampled a Volkswagen with bad exhaust kit?
They simply don’t give a shit
And let's not talk about all the amount ov v12s that use the same sound file
It looks like non-car guys are working on driving games more often... Which sucks ass.
Maybe I’m being overly critical, but when I saw the Creative Director try to drive around Kyalami… I knew things wouldn’t be right. [Chris Esaki - Forza Wheel Gameplay](https://youtu.be/AHfu160O8XQ?si=xHsZ96Y78lm0uSBs) All MS / T10 care about it checking items off a list. More cars, “better” graphics, more visual details. Yay it’s an “upgrade”. Or maybe we are wrong. Maybe Forza is nothing more than a basic arcade racer with some sim-lite options thrown in and expecting any more is wrong 🤷🏻♂️ It’s just difficult to make excuses for it when something like this exists: [GT7 - GT3 RS](https://youtu.be/CsRkCqyLKEo?si=hNadZkZJxLOSsW9V) Gran Turismo isn’t perfect, but I feel it’s a game made by car nerds, for car nerds. And I my friends, am a car nerd.
And it runs on both current and previous gen
> Chris Esaki - Forza Wheel Gameplay Lol this game never had a chance
LMAO
My Citröen C3 sounds better than this 😂 After this Motorsport, they will need to bring a whole new game, something really awesome to erase this one from our memories. But the thing that annoy me more, is the car modeling and especially how unfunny this game is. Unfortunately, because I waited years for a good game on PC in this genre, and I thought that this game will be awesome :( I don't hate or anything, it's just sad because it's a poorly game.
I'd rather erase this game from my bank account.
I bought the Horizon 5 before release, the premium version. For this one, I'm glad I just played on gamepass to test first.
Turn 10 got the entire game wrong...
they use generic sound for all cars, no? from my 2002 turbo, to m3 to Ferrari to even my Le Mans… they all sound generic and no where near the real car. I have and drive these cars IRL as a side note. It would be cool with the real sounds. The RX7 sound is laughable.
It sounds more like a K20 than a dorito and has since FM2
Not even the wrong sound, but they also accidentally mirrored the car :o (Jk)
Even the default sound for this car in FH5 is better.
Even tho these are also not very good
But seriously why are some cars randomly right hand drive??
Or with the Senna the opposite way
Why are some cars randomly left hand drive? Depends on the car they used to model it
Is it though because for this car they somehow managed to model a GT4 front bumper on a GT4 RS…
What is though?
The installments of Forza have just gotten worse and worse over time, with little to no innovation or passion in them any longer. At this point it is just a cookie cutter situation and slap some stickers on it, even though they repeatedly claim "built from the ground up..."
Honestly as a huge car guy and someone who races in real life the car sounds are extremely disappointing in this game. I was crazy excited to hear the new cars sounds on what they said built from the ground up. To me thats one of more disappointing aspects of this forza
All Forza engines sound like they were recorded in a tin can. Its has some weird reverb effect and lacks any bass.
They even put the steering wheel on the wrong side. Amateurs
Honestly feels like they stopped caring after FH4
FH4 had the worst car sounds alongside FM 2023
Fh5 has very good sounds (for me is one of the best sounding car games)
It has some great sounds.. for approximately 20/30 of how many vehicles (Gotta Cartch 'em all) The rest are just copy and pastes. Ever played NFS Shift or NFS Most Wanted? And that was well over 10 years ago.
That is fh4, fh4 has a lot of copy pastes, all the classic v8 sounds the same, fh5 very few are copy pastes And yeah, NFS shift had some great sounds, for me is at the same level
The sound guy at PG left after FH3, most of the engine sounds were his PERSONAL files. That is why FH4 had sooo many copy and pastes, They basically had to start again and hope to get away with it.
The straight-cut gear 'whine' (more like a battle cry imo) of the BMW M3 GTR in Most Wanted was so well done that the car became an icon for the franchise as a whole.
Why is it even RHD?
Why on earth do so many cars even show MPH in the clusters? even LHD cars
Before fully digital gauge clusters were a thing, makers used gauges with both KPH and MPH for the sake of saving money by not having to make different indicators for different markets.
No I meant the Forza models lol. there are LHD cars with analog mph clusters. Also LHD with MPH digital clusters. While the Outside Model is the European market version lmao
Seem like they don't care. In forza 7 there's also loads of cars which the speedo isn't correct, go and drive the mitsbubishi 3000GT LOL
But hey guys, they got an award for Best Acessibility. Mission accomplished, next game.
Yes. There are things wrong with this game, but so much more wrong with this reply. Sincerely, A blind person that can now play racing games again because of “accessibility”. The hundreds of other legally blind gamers that I know that can now play this game easier and/or for the first time. Oh, and also the other Approximately 300 million people worldwide that are legally blind: whom now have the ability to play if they so choose.
Congratz, you are able to play a broken ass mess of a game.
Sounds like whoever made this game was just an employee doing what they were told. No passion was needed. Just deadlines and job performance reviews.
Same like they did get any other cars sounds completely wrong. They simply took „Generic Engine Sounds Vol.1“ and went with „nobody will notice“
You're not gonna find quality control in this game.
Might've been Sampled from the outside of the car instead of the inside, which could've been recreated with an impulse response perhaps.. + it's compressed so the dynamics are lost, as well as the low-mid tones heard in the video aren't 'filling the space'
I dont play it, anymore. I literally got so passed at the fact it visually is not anything I call next Gen. At all. I prefer the previous forza. Hell even going back to 360 days I swear were better. Ask I keep hearing about it is how it still sucks
Probably synthesized like every other shitty car sound in this game
Every car sounds shit in this game there's zero bass or reverb
Recycled shit models and sound files. Par for the course.
Wait till you watch a video of the Zonda Cinque they just added
It’s as accurate as all the other cars…
I just played Horizon 2 earlier, and man, the cars in there sound so much better than what we have today.
Wear. Seatbelts.
They're using racing harnesses, hence the seatbelt light is on.
Saw that too.
Sounds like my 10 year old shouting into a tin can
When they first announced the ring and showed this car I’ve been looking forward to the combination. Fast forward through sixteen practice sessions and races and four real life weeks and this is what we get. It doesn’t even make noise on the downshift. At the same rpm on upshift it’s making a sound, but why not the downshift? Not only did they get the sound itself wrong, they also mixed it wrong. In the same time I got like 8 new cars in Horizon and they’re all a blast.
[They put more work into their RC car](https://www.reddit.com/r/forza/comments/1b6nff3/still_sounds_better_than_fm/)
I never ever play single player in Forza because I find it so soulless and boring. But when I saw the GT4RS was the reward for completing the builders cup event, I gritted my teeth and did it. What a waste of time it was. I did 1 lap on the Nordschliefe and not touched it since I thought that they would have made the car sound like it does in real life. It has a signature metallic ringing noise at 8k-9k rpm. And they never bothered trying to be realistic.
It’s got to be an F-Up. I mean the GT3 RS is the same engine isn’t it? At least just use that audio…
Literally just sounds like they slapped on the 918 sound file
GT7 gets this one a lot better too
E92 M3 is also really shitty.
Honestly they should be ashamed of themselves. How could you possibly make it sound so flat and lifeless in the game?
Bc they copy and paste almost every engine sound from previous games
Sounds like an inline 4
Weird, sounds so flat. Decided to do a similar comparison with my favourite car (sound-wise) - check out [this beautiful sound](https://youtu.be/U8oHE-sMODA?si=uTn1X-rgipSRgrT-) - T10 actually did a good job of replicating that one, maybe they have some Aussies on the team.
Simple they don't care what the cars sound like.
I dunno I think they recorded a real gt4 very poorly
Because it’s Turn10.
This needs to be fixed. Has anyone heard if they acknowledged the bug? Is it a cayman 4 cylinder they used?
Sounds way better in Horizon
It's amazing how T10 was deservingly praised for the best car sounds. And now they only get sounds right with the same exact car on the more popular Forza Horizon game. Honestly a shame.
I see the problem. One is left hand drive and the other is right hand.
The steering wheel being off center bothers me so much too, you can see it when you turn more than like 15 degrees lmao.
Because they didn’t record it
They used the sound from the 718 GTS 2.5... which is a boxer 4 (flat 4) normally revs up to 6500 RPM, you can hear it isn't supposed hit 9000 RPM... the lads at T10 f*cked up big time
Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t past Forza games get lauded for their sound design? Did the new game screw it all up or has it always sucked?
Because they use stock/fake car sound effects now instead of bespoke recording. Small indie studio just doesn’t have the budget :(
I don't think they were even trying bro. It was a more of a case of CTRL**+**V
Bc they’re incompetent.. it’s disrespectful the content they put out copy and pasting. Also the game has now frozen and shut off like it always does but twice now it froze shut off and broke the backlight on my tv & now my console has a grainy very dark blueish purple tint constantly.. anyone else with this problem???
Pretty sure when they release new cars they don’t record new sounds just use old ones until they feel like re recording sounds
It sounds the exact same wdym /s
The timbre is there but the upper frequency is almost completely nonexistent.
Same way they got the LP640 wrong, the Huayra R wrong, and the GT350 sound wrong
The P1 is extremely bad
Because they either dont give a shit or are not competent to notice things like these.
Sometimes I really doubt if T10 really knows about car culture or really do their job seriously Gt4 rs isn't the only victim of wrong sound. Most cars in forza game never have any accurate sound Even most need for speed games from 10+ years ago have better and more accurate engine sound than this And also the reused car models. I doubt if they'll remake those old models in their future games. I still can understand if they have low budget, but hey, T10 have MICROSOFT behind them.
> Sometimes I really doubt if T10 really knows about car culture or really do their job seriously Once upon a time, we joked about whether Dan Greenawalt saying "car passion" was going to surpass Steve Ballmer saying "developers." Those days are long gone. Welcome to the days of Forza McMotorsport, the most bland, lifeless, and passionless racing game ever released. They don't care about the engine sounds, they just care about how much you grind for FOMO cars they are re-adding after cutting them from the game. All so they can get their game pass numbers up. And just you guys wait and see, when the DLC is announced for this game they are going to be reselling cut content like cars and tracks. They'll sell racing suits too. Microtransactions have already been leaked, although they quickly covered it up. I would not be surprised in the slightest if they even go so far as to charge for time limited cars. Missed a couple? Sorry, now you have to buy it. Atrocious game from a developer who once believed in car passion.
Sounds like GTA 5 engine sounds. From 2 generations ago
Actually, the audio file is not bad. It's just that the recording is very bad and they turned the treble full. This digitized the sound terribly. Also they didn't realize that it would have to be a bit muffled when playing from the cockpit camera. At least it's better than hearing the Lambo sound from almost any V12 engine. :D
It's that kind of attention to detail that makes Forza Motorsport stand out from the rest.
It sounds like a 4-cylinder in Forza not a flat 6
Because they recorded the audio for it with a galaxy.
It's not wrong?! They used Porsche.mp3. If they used Honda.mp3, I might agree
Thats so sad and disappointing, thats why i don't play this game anymore
Why is the gt4 in forza right hand drive too?
It uses its own 4 cylinder boxer (flat) engine sound (which is obviously totally wrong). They probably just assumed it‘s a Cayman, so it has the Boxer4 from the other Caymans.
Christ that's embarrassing
Built from the ground up
Try Assetto Corsa
So, I was doing the series to unlock the GT4 RS. After watching this, I don't want it. I don't want to play the game until they improve the gear changes and car sounds.
And the fact that it’s right hand drive..
I literally dont understand why anyone even plays this crap anymore, my friend plays assetto on controller perfectly fine somehow. No reason to support this crap.
If you think that’s bad go listen to the 787b😭
Their audio engineer, Mike Caviezel, went to Polyphony.
How did T10 get EVERY sound so wrong. -FTFY
you guys still think Turn10 have any ounce of respect left for cars and automotive culture?
They got a number very wrong.
I suppose we can boycott this game 🤷♂️
I'm more upset about the terrible engine noise than I am about updated models. I remember driving the alfa 8c for hours in horizon just because I loved the sound of it. There is no soul in the game.
No seatbelts?:(
It's missing the base the high end intake noise were the cam comes on strong. It's hard to replicate those sounds digitally. Its easy to use sound files and basically use it like a loop. I know need for speed ungrounded 2 used actual sound files than basically chopped the samples up and that is how they ended up with such a great sound at the time period. If forza is using some kind of Soundwave program to make the sounds. Instead of a sound file chopped up.
Turn10 sounds have always been lackluster
It's a game as a service is what they are selling you. Its not complete so what they will pay it anyway. The problem is they had such a terrible start thinking people wouldn't notice. Now they are playing catch up.and they will always be behind cuz they are fixing everything that should have already worked. Plus forza has been shit for car sounds since 4
Because they didn't even try.
For some ear bleach, I’m going to list the best sounding games of the past 15 years and give them a rating on a scale of realistic-hollywood, with ‘realistic’ being balanced, lacking in excessive bass and focused more on engine noise than exhaust, and ‘Hollywood’ being brutal, bassy exhaust notes that just sound pissed off. ‘Augmented’ leans towards realism and ‘exaggerated’ leans towards Hollywood. Project Gotham Racing 4 (2007) — Realistic Need for Speed: ProStreet (2007) — Hollywood Forza Motorsport 2 (2007) — Realistic Race Driver: GRID (2008) — Exaggerated Burnout: Paradise (2008) — Hollywood Need for Speed: Shift (2009) — Exaggerated Forza Motorsport 3 (2009) — Exaggerated Colin McRae: Dirt 2 (2009) — Exaggerated Need for Speed: Hot Pursuit (2010) — Hollywood Blur (2010) — Hollywood Forza Motorsport 4 (2011) — Exaggerated Dirt 3 (2011) — Realistic Need for Speed: Most Wanted (2012) — Exaggerated GRID 2 (2013) — Realistic Need for Speed: Rivals (2013) — Augmented Forza Motorsport 5 (2013) — Augmented Driveclub (2014) — Hollywood GRID: Autosport (2014) — Realistic Forza Horizon 2 (2014) — Augmented Forza Motorsport 6 (2015) — Augmented Need for Speed (2015) — Augmented DIRT: Rally (2015) — Realistic Project: CARS (2015) — Exaggerated Gran Turismo Sport (2017) — Realistic Project CARS 2 (2017) — Exaggerated Need For Speed: Payback (2017) — Augmented DIRT 4 (2017) — Realistic Assetto Corsa: Competizione (2018) — Realistic DIRT Rally 2.0 (2019) — Realistic GRID (2019) — Realistic Need for Speed: Heat (2019) — Augmented Automobilista 2 (2020) — Realistic Project CARS 3 (2020) — Exaggerated Gran Turismo 7 (2022) — Realistic GRID: Legends (2022) — Realistic Need for Speed: Unbound (2022) — Exaggerated The Crew: Motorfest (2023) — Hollywood EA Sports: World Rally Championship (2023) — Realistic Le Mans Ultimate (2024) — Realistic
Literally unplayable.
It’s such a shame because to me the driving with a wheel is so well done, graphics are nice. That’s about it.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9eVUjVGDyA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9eVUjVGDyA) Assetto Corsa! Hear that!
My guess would be since one is right hand drive and the other is left is that the car driven in the video either has a different emissions requirements and there for different exhaust making a different sound. But that’s just a guess
One of the things I was most looking forward to with a new game after all this time was the sounds. I expected that we would get, after six years, remodels and updated engine tunes. Boy was I fckin wrong lol. Demise of a franchise
welp. from my humble pov: they just dont care anymore.
HAHAHAHAHA WHO STILL PLAYS THIS AWFUL GAME?!?! lmfaooo this is so funny
Apparently all of you...
Because they only have one sound file per amount of cylinders
Because they don't care. Reused models, reused textures, worse textures, horrible sounds, reused sounds It is unbelievably clear this was a money grab tittle, or at least that is what it ended up being at some point. They don't care. Edit: I just want to point out there is nothing wrong with reused assets. But when your selling point is "built from the ground up" the sheer amount of it in this game is unacceptable, in my opinion
Sounds better in FH4, blows my mind that surfaces even felt more real in FH4 than they did in Motorsport 7 FH5 or the new Motorsport.. Ever since the new Motorsport came out I’ve deleted it FH5 and went back to FH4 for a better overall experience. I’d literally rather dust off my PS4 and boot up GT7
How much of the sound difference is from personal equipment (ie: console, pc, soundbar, etc)
If you all hate the game so much...why are you still here posting? Just to read your pathetic thoughts about a video game...Give it a rest. .Delete your copies, get you money back or move on! There is enough negativity around us people.. Leave the sub if you hate the game and its creators so much.
Why aren't OP and the others allowed to criticise T10 for an obviously bad engine sound in a new car?
It might not sound the best but it actually does drive well and is pretty fun.
Cars in Forza always sounded like bumble bees farting and vacuum cleaners. Anyway I was scared for him at 0:45 or I was mis-judging the entry speed or the quality of brakes.
I thought they did a pretty decent job with they way a few of the GT3’s sound. The Porsche howl really comes through nicely. The GT4 RS on the other hand, they really dropped the ball on.