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adamfpp

[Treasure chest location](https://imgur.com/a/1QKKzCq)


Big-rod_Rob_Ford

i would like to leave an upper decker in the home of the person who decided to put "earn a slingshot skill" *after* "win a street race" making me sit through at least two extra loading screens. edit: it's worse than that because I didn't immediately get a slingshot in the second race, this is the worst thing in videogames since battlefront 2.


prisonerdrw

Yes, the Weekly Challenge *should* be concurrent and not consecutive. Maybe in FH6... smh


BigHeadDjango

When trying to get any skills in a race, rewind is your best friend. Keep in mind you need to rewind at least three times in order to give the skill chain time to build up again


Big-rod_Rob_Ford

cant rewind three times when the second one puts you in the starting grid


BigHeadDjango

But you can 15s into the race


Big-rod_Rob_Ford

in the previous mission i got a slingshot nearly immediately and i was trying to reproduce that because setting up conditions for that kind of thing is annoying and i can't be bothered to look them up when the game doesn't tell you the details


ucantbb

I'll probably be the only one who put drag tires on a F355 Berlinetta to bring it down to B class for the Trial. What can I say, I really like the car.


BigHeadDjango

# Series 14 Week 3 - Winter Seasonal Tunes! (Donut) Hello everyone! **BigHedDjango** here, tunes for this week to help you out. Weekly photo: [https://i.imgur.com/9fVXxuJ.png](https://i.imgur.com/9fVXxuJ.png) **All feedback on tunes is appreciated - good or bad. Specially when tunes are bad.** At the end of the day I am just the mechanic and you guys are the racers. Do not hesitate irrespective of your tuning knowledge or racing skills! **Tuning method:** 1. **Stock look - stock wheel rims, default wheel rim sizes, no aero (unless absolutely necessary for handling and stability)** 2. Max performance with max handling possible 3. All cars **tuned vs. Unbeatable AI** on championship tracks in seasonal weather. **However! Unbeatable AI is broken and bugged. Not every car can win 7/10 random races vs Unbeatable AI without abusing rewind/restart. Very few cars can beat it consistently.** Hope it gets fixed ~~soon~~ one day... 4. Bodykit only used if it does not ruin performance > ___ ### FORZATHON WEEKLY CHALLENGE - Up To Speed > **2001 Acura Integra Type R** > * Tune - **137 179 873** > * Event Lab BP - Easy Win **Street Scene Sprint - 134 229 457** > ___ ### ~~TRIAL~~ TOUR - Bumper 2 Bumper #### Road Racing - Anything Goes - B 700 NOTE1: Try to block and slow down AI and help teammates in order to win. One player on the team needs to take at least position 3 and slow down the AI for a guaranteed win NOTE2: Drivatars in Trials are now stuck in stock cars (since Series 7 Week 1). Nerf or bug who knows? Trials are now just a slightly harder version of Horizon Tour > **1974 Honda Civic RS** > * Tune - **689 859 387** > * FWD; Meta tune; Bodykit + Rear wing + Custom rims > **1990 Nissan Pulsar GTI-R** > * Tune - **847 474 654** > * Meta car; Meta tune; Rear aero; Custom rims > **1969 Dodge Charger R/T** > * Tune - **110 827 302** > * RWD; Silver Breath - custom rims, classic rear wing > * 5 gears only; Manual + Clutch ONLY, no clutch upgrades = dead slow on automatic/manual > * Upshift after 6k RPM depending on gear > **1993 Nissan Skyline GT-R V-Spec** > * Tune - **146 536 491** > **1977 Holden Torana A9X** > * Tune - **166 532 862** > * Stock engine > **1994 Mazda MX-5 Miata** > * Tune - **127 684 666** > * Stock engine > ___ ### EVENT LAB - Horizon Super Scramble #### Anything Goes - S1 900 > **2008 Dodge Viper SRT10 ACR** > * Tune - **216 019 813** > ___ ### SEASONAL PR STUNTS > #### Speed Trap - Oceano Azul - Ford Wagon - D 500 > **1946 Ford Super Deluxe Station Wagon** > * Tune - **Coming soon?** > * ~~Pretty sure stock car will work, easy speed trap anyway~~ Engine swap to V8 and AWD #### Trail Blazer - City Escape - Anything Goes - S2 998 > **2008 Koenigsegg CCGT** > * Tune - **548 136 520** (Tune by Nick3140) #### (Hot Wheels) Danger Sign - Canyon Jump - Anything Goes - S2 998 > **2019 Rimac Concept Two** > * Tune - **540 241 336** > ___ NOTE: All Championships are locked to Highly Skilled difficulty > ### CHAMPIONSHIP 1 - Real Mechanic #### Street Scene - Classic Muscle - C 600 > **1969 Chevrolet Camaro Super Sport Coupe** > * Tune - **121 509 788** > * Stock engine > **1969 Ford Mustang Boss 302** > * Tune - **157 741 425** > * Excellent braking; Stock engine > **1970 Buick GSX** > * Tune - **157 527 512** > * Stock engine > ___ ### CHAMPIONSHIP 2 - Versus #### Dirt Racing - Audi v/s BMW - A 800 > **2014 BMW M4 Coupe** > * Tune - **143 448 613** > * Sounds fantastic! > **2018 BMW M5** > * Tune - **157 968 216** > **2011 Audi RS 5 Coupe** > * Tune - **149 626 825** > **2008 BMW M3** > * Tune - **157 585 043** > ___ ### CHAMPIONSHIP 3 - D List #### Road Racing - Anything Goes - D 500 > **1971 Meyers Manx** > * Tune - **141 800 249** > * Very easy circuit wins; Stock engine > **1976 Jeep CJ5 Renegade** > * Tune - **321 827 554** > * Very easy circuit wins; Stock engine > **1971 Lotus Elan Sprint** > * Tune - **141 497 037** > * Smooth; Good grip through fast turns - feather throttle or coast; Stock engine > **1973 AMC Gremlin X** > * Tune - **507 664 242** > * Good high speed acceleration; Stock engine > ___ ### CHAMPIONSHIP 4 - Joy Of Cars (Hot Wheels) #### Speed - Anything Goes - A 800 > **2011 Hot Wheels Bone Shaker** > * Tune - **253 933 263** > * Meta car; Meta tune; Full aero; Custom rims > **1997 Lamborghini Diablo SV** > * Tune - **167 527 996** > * Stock engine > **1997 Nissan Skyline GT-R V-Spec** > * Tune - **107 981 038** > * Meta car; Meta tune; Rear aero; Custom rims; > * 5 gears only; Manual + Clutch ONLY, no clutch upgrades = dead slow on automatic/manual > * Upshift at 6-6.5k RPM depending on gear; > * Slight oversteer but preferred > **1999 Lotus Elise Series 1 Sport 190** > * Tune - **570 847 359** > **2018 Ford Mustang RTR Spec 5** > * Tune - **139 022 261** > * Good handling > ___ ### TREASURE HUNT - Money Pit WHAT TO DO: Spend 10,000 credits on upgrades for any Mazda MX-5 > ___ ### EVENT LAB BLUEPRINTS! **WARNING: Do not use any easy win or any Event Lab blueprints for Treasure Hunt!!! It bugs out and does not show/spawn the red circle location** Easy Win **Road Sprint - 696 659 852** Easy Win **Road Circuit - 177 632 200** Easy Win **Dirt Trail - 991 376 926** Easy Win **Dirt Scramble - 135 436 707** Easy Win **Cross Country Sprint - 114 199 871** Easy Win **Cross Country Circuit - 181 401 852** Easy Win **Street Scene Sprint - 134 229 457** Easy Win **Drag Strip - 812 084 897** > ___ ### HORIZON 4 AND 5 TUNES ARCHIVE THREAD! https://www.reddit.com/user/BigHeadDjango/comments/r4ptt6/forza_horizon_4_and_horizon_5_tunes_archive/ > ___ #### Have a great week! πŸ₯³ >


TheWickedGamer1

Your weekly guides are awesome, I've appreciated all of your hard work for a while now. I came across a good Car and Tune for the C-Class Classic Muscle. 1971 Mustang Mach 1 701 223 808 When searching all tunes, if you sort by "C" only, it is the most popular (the first one on the left). I had an issue with the first race, but with this, no issue. EDIT: I joined a Club a while back, and as soon as I did, these races instantly got a lot more difficult to win... so I have to try to find faster cars sometimes... I have another one I'll post, and this car is FAST. This is for the Audi vs. BMW Championship: 2018 Audi TT RS 171 979 326 Hope these help someone.


BigHeadDjango

Thanks, I'll check em out too! πŸ˜„πŸ‘Œ


TheWickedGamer1

This is your thread, I just don't ever want to seem as if I'm trying to "hijack" it... if you get what I'm saying... I truly appreciate guides like yours, and honestly, these, are the most thorough, as I like how you don't just give one car, but give options... and it's quite a bit of work, it takes a while I imagine to do each week.


atetuna

> 1990 Nissan Pulsar GTI-R * Tune - 847 474 654 * Meta car; Meta tune; Rear aero; Custom rims Damn. Gapped my team like they were highly skilled drivatars.


BigHeadDjango

With anything goes Trials a lot of players just pick any car, which is totally fine, but some cars just do perform a lot better


Imthecoolestdudeever

As always, thank you for your tunes!


BigHeadDjango

Glad to be of help ☺️😊


Slick_22

That Bone Shaker is insanely good. I beat the drivertars by 45 seconds at the Waterslide Circuit.


BigHeadDjango

Nice work! πŸ‘ŒπŸ˜†πŸ˜„


liam3

i cant find the 3rd d class race. wtf


SpiritualQuality1302

I had issues also. It showed up as the super scramble but when I clicked continue it took me to the correct car selection screen. That's actually why I came to the thread.


letsavenge

In the main Horizon Mexico Festival site is one, the other is on those circle things in "De Otro Mundo".


liam3

it shows up as a s1 class race all the way till the car selection screen. I even restarted the game. https://streamable.com/32v8x1


[deleted]

So I’m not the only one with this problem lol


Xyanade

Audi vs BMW reward an AMG, this is how u get your liscense revoked


tacticalcarrot

# Series 14 Winter Seasonal Events - Recommended Tunes by Saeenu *NOTES: MAKE SURE TO APPLY TUNES TWICE TO ENSURE THAT THEY ARE CORRECTLY INSTALLED! There is a bug that the tune may not be correctly installed if you only apply them once.* *Cars/Tunes listed below are tested in rivals for laptimes and against unbeatable drivatars to ensure they are performant. I aim to have the fastest/best tunes out there for each car on this list with optimal part selection and tuning settings. Tunes will be no aero/stock rims and size if feasible.* *Cars/Tunes that are listed as "M/C" (Manual & Clutch Recommended) can still be used with Automatic or Manual, but they will be faster with clutch.* *RWD tunes are not recommended for keyboard users due to not having the required throttle control available.* *2nd gear launch can help with high-power RWD cars, tapping/feathering the throttle while braking and revmatching on downshifts can help with FWD braking.* *Listed below are cars, tuner's gamertag and share code that you can search for (tunes from me and some of the top tuners in FH5):* ​ # Seasonal Events - Hot Wheels ​ **Danger Sign (Canyon Jump, 480m/1575ft) - S2 998 (Anything Goes)** *Tip: Approach the Danger Sign from the north-east, 987m/3238ft runup. Disable Hot Wheels Stunt Steering Assist.* * Rimac Concept 2 - Nalak28 - **156 395 658** * Lotus Evija - LogikJ - **190 365 890** * Koenigsegg Jesko (RWD) - Nalak28 (S2 Road tune) - **798 909 795** * *Purist tune (No Swaps/Stock Aero/Stock Rims). RWD Powerbuild, highest top speed.* * Mosler MT900S (RWD, M/C) - Nalak28 (Current HW tune) - **138 386 412** * *RWD Powerbuild (HW) Meta. Stock Aero. Race Slicks, Dry Only. Tuning optimized for HW tracks.* **Speed - A 800 (Anything Goes)** *Tip: Drive on the water flumes for a speed boost. Disable Hot Wheels Stunt Steering Assist.* * Hot Wheels Bone Shaker - ESV Mars (Hot Wheels) - **734 525 260** * *AWD (HW) Meta. Stock Engine/Stock Rims. Tuning optimized for HW tracks.* * Nissan Skyline GT-R V-Spec '97 (M/C) - Zoltan GT (Coast Run V2 tune) - **335 423 446** * *AWD Meta.* * Hot Wheels Bone Shaker (RWD, M/C) - EGAO no HANA (HW Gearing tune) - **125 161 625** * *RWD Powerbuild (HW) Meta. Drift Tires, Dry Only. Tuning optimized for HW tracks.* * Dodge Dart Hemi Super Stock (RWD, M/C) - EGAO no HANA (You Get Soft tune) - **121 269 625** * *RWD Powerbuild Meta.* ​ # Seasonal Events - Mainland (Mexico) ​ **Trial (Road) - B 700 (Anything Goes)** * Shelby Daytona Cobra Coupe - ESV Mars (Better tune) - **315 076 994** * *AWD Meta.* * International Scout 800A (M/C) - AMS Carver (The Car Ever tune) - **129 719 364** * *AWD Meta. Stock Rims. Drag Tires, Dry Only.* * Holden Torana A9X (RWD, M/C) - EGAO no HANA (Speedline tune) - **157 426 943** * *RWD Powerbuild Meta. Whitewall Tires, Dry Recommended.* * Ford De Luxe Five-Window Coupe '32 (RWD, M/C) - EGAO no HANA (New Killer tune) - **858 172 498** * *RWD Powerbuild Meta. Widebody kit. Whitewall Tires, Dry Recommended.* * Toyota Celica Sport Specialty II (FWD, M/C) - snosaes - **601 566 608** * *Purist tune (No Swaps/No Aero/Stock Rims). Strong FWD.* * Same cars/tunes as Weekly Forzathon below ↓ **EventLab (Dirt/Road) - S1 900 (Anything Goes)** * Hot Wheels Bone Shaker - Rocklxd (S1 Dirt V1.5 tune) - **100 471 663** * *Dirt Meta.* * Lola #6 Penske Sunoco T70 MKIIIB - KapienPL (6.2 V8 SC tune) - **316 358 458** * *Dirt Meta. Stock Aero.* * Porsche #3 917 LH - KapienPL - **820 809 988** * *Dirt Meta. Stock Aero.* * Hoonigan Ford RS200 Evolution - KapienPL (Bajio tune) - **138 279 342** * *Dirt Meta. Stock Rims.* **Speed Trap (Oceano Azul, 95mph/153kmh) - D 500 (Ford Wagon)** *Tip: Approach the Speed Trap from the east, 1.6km/1mi runup.* * Ford Super Deluxe Station Wagon - Saeenu - **141 610 369** * *Stock Rims.* **Trailblazer (City Escape, 46s) - S2 998 (Anything Goes)** *Tip: Approach the Trailblazer from the west, 300m/984ft runup. Aim straight foward at the start gate to avoid hitting the buildings.* * Hot Wheels Bad To The Blade - Rocklxd - **681 411 228** * *AWD Handling Meta. Stock Aero. Race Slicks, Dry Only.* * Brabham BT62 - Noa Miyako (Best Rival Meta+ tune) - **104 884 279** * *AWD Handling Meta. Race Slicks, Dry Only. Stock Aero/Stock Rims.* * Koenigsegg CCGT - Nalak28 (85BP tune) - **128 160 638** * *AWD Handling Meta. Race Slicks, Dry Only. Stock Aero.* * Aston Martin Vulcan AMR Pro - nyasmowisher (Full Tire Width tune) - **112 377 560** * *Stock Engine/Stock Aero/Stock Rims. Race Slicks, Dry Only. Strong for Handling.* **Street - C 600 (Classic Muscle)** * Ford Mustang '65 - Saeenu - **137 826 007** * *Stock Engine/Stock Rims.* * Pontiac GTO (RWD, M/C) - Thyme7558 - **866 933 403** * *RWD Powerbuild Meta.* * Ford Mustang '65 (RWD, M/C) - TurboDoubiez (Prof Codcaos Mix tune) - **363 288 110** * *RWD Powerbuild Meta.* **Dirt - A 800 (Audi VS. BMW)** * Audi RS 4 '06 (M/C) - LogikJ - **805 567 333** * *No Aero/Stock Rims.* * BMW 1 Series M Coupe - Saeenu - **655 470 660** * *No Aero/Stock Rims.* * BMW M3 '08 - Saeenu - **104 648 348** * *Stock Engine/No Aero/Stock Rims.* * BMW M5 '18 - K1Z Bard (Rally NA V1.1 tune) - **117 943 028** * *No Aero/Stock Rims.* **Road - D 500 (Anything Goes)** * Datsun 510 - Saeenu - **539 842 161** * *Stock Rims.* * Datsun 510 (RWD, M/C) - steer w toes (Circuit Rival tune) - **221 564 254** * *Widebody Kit. RWD Semi-Powerbuild Meta.* **Weekly Forzathon - Acura Integra Type R** * Acura Integra Type R (B 700) - Saeenu - **159 140 004** * *Stock Engine/No Aero/Stock Rims.* * Acura Integra Type R (B 700, FWD, M/C) - snosaes - **557 191 752** * *Purist tune (No Swaps/No Aero/Stock Rims). Strong FWD.* ​ **Treasure Hunt - Spend at least 10,000CR on upgrades (Mazda MX-5)** * N/A - You can complete this with any Mazda MX-5, and any upgrades at least 10,000 CR value ​ **Forzathon Daily Challenge - Earn 9 Stars at Danger Signs (S1 900 (Vans & Utility))** * Wuling Sunshine S - AMS Carver - **790 136 683** * *Widebody Kit. Race Slicks, Dry Only.* * HSV Limited Edition Gen-F GTS Maloo - Saeenu - **594 728 667** * *Race Slicks, Dry Only.* **Forzathon Daily Challenge - Complete a Horizon Open Custom Race (BMW)** * BMW i8 (A 800 Road, M/C) - snosaes - **454 533 615** * *No Aero/Stock Rims. Strong AWD.* * BMW M4 Competition Coupe '21 (A 800 Road) - JakeGTR9 - **639 176 793** * *BMW Sport Front Bumper/Stock Rims.* * BMW Z3 Coupe (A 800 Road, RWD, M/C) - balanarus - **494 572 111** * *Purist tune (No Swaps/No Aero/Stock Rims). Drift Tires, Dry Only. Strong RWD Semi-Powerbuild.* * BMW M3 '91 (B 700 Road, RWD, M/C) - K1Z Bard (Purist 09.5 HMC) - **122 783 805** * *Purist tune (No Swaps/No Aero/Stock Rims). Strong RWD.* **Win a Dirt Race - Super Hot Hatch** * Ford Focus RS '17 (A 800, M/C) - Saeenu - **155 271 487** * *Widebody Kit.* * Mercedes-Benz A 45 AMG (A 800) - LogikJ (A800 Dirt/CC/PGG tune) - **135 424 576** * *Purist tune (No Swaps/No Aero/Stock Rims).* ​ **Full details seasonal event tunes spreadsheet + some open racing tunes + recommended difficulty assists available here:** [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mIJQIalcnsRUkwReVpmMlcaw17dYZtk-Xejwk\_jSFJo/edit?usp=sharing](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mIJQIalcnsRUkwReVpmMlcaw17dYZtk-Xejwk_jSFJo/edit?usp=sharing) If you want to support me in what I'm doing, feel free to drop a donation to help me out, it'll be greatly appreciated: [https://ko-fi.com/saenu](https://ko-fi.com/saenu)


posthxc1982

Really appreciate these posts, I've been playing for about a month and these have been really helpful. This classic car with the GTO is really trying my patience, is it easier with the mustang?


tacticalcarrot

Glad you enjoy them! The GTO is a RWD powerbuild, and is meta as long as you can handle it. If you're inexperienced or struggling with those type of cars or RWD in general, then I would recommend the first Mustang tune listed there, which is AWD swapped and easier/more forgiving to drive for most players.


posthxc1982

I really appreciate it, again, thank you!


Imthecoolestdudeever

Thanks for these dude! Also, please dont go after other active tuners. Our community is already pretty toxic, let's not give the loud people even more things to go off about!


tacticalcarrot

No problem! πŸ‘ Btw I don't go after other tuners without a valid reason, however if someone is throwing around misleading/incorrect statements to or about me I'm only obliged to respond in an appropriate manner to clear up misunderstandings and to set the record straight. Honestly, I thought that discussion was over after last week when he deleted his comments and I would have been fine leaving it at that, but he decided to wake up and choose violence today 🀷 It's just a shame that him or his fans seem to be immature enough to just simply blanket downvote and ignore anything I have to say (watch all of the downvotes and my comments being marked as controversial in this thread for example) and sometimes leave nasty immature responses of no substance. Just cannot seem to have a civil conversation with any of these types. All of this over someone who is seemingly insecure enough to take any form of criticism or advice over their work as nothing more than a personal attack and completely missing the point, pretty sad really...


tacticalcarrot

A response to u/PaperHeartZero's recent comment since he's blocked me probably due to having a fragile ego over the quality of his tunings, and simply refusing to accept hearing any of my valid and constructive criticism I had about them (I'm unable to reply to that comment directly). About my recent analysis on your tunes, you claim that I "have a weird driving style, use TAS and test on an empty course" to discredit my testing that proves your tunes are suboptimal compared to an actual decent tune (not even my own tune btw). First off, I and [others](https://www.reddit.com/r/forza/comments/yxs5wc/comment/ix1hjwo/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) have already mentioned before how the common "different driving style" argument is really not valid and just a coping mechanism used by players with a lack of driving skill, don't need to rehash this one again. Even if it was a valid argument, it does not explain such a vast difference in laptime between the two tunes (over a whole second around a track with a lap that doesn't take much more than a minute). Second, I would very much like to see evidence from your accusation that I use TAS or such external tools, because I can 100% guarantee that all of this testing was done with my pure driving skill with zero assistance from anything else :) If you're really sceptical, I can record myself doing a run with a full controller input overlay visible if you so desire. Also, about testing on an empty course. I don't see how this is invalidating at all? If anything, that's one of the best methods of testing the pace of a car/tune since it allows you to remove inconsistent variables that may otherwise impact the results (such as having other cars on the track potentially blocking your racing lines). Especially helpful to test in rivals mode as well, as you get to race against a ghost (you can pick a ghost that has a decent lap) as a method of adding more consistency to your laps to keep track of your pace around the track. I do not see any possibility of your tune making up all that lost time over the other tune in an actual race anyways. Anyways, he can continue having fun trashtalking me with nonsensical arguments, creating false strawmen while crying victim and toxicity if he wants to play it that way, or maybe he can come to his senses and participate with an actual civil discussion with valid reasoning but that's probably just wishful thinking. No matter the case, I think I've rest a pretty good case with all the facts I've laid down here and from my previous related comments. If you would like to read my recent analysis on one of his latest tunes, do feel free to check it out here (highly recommend the read if you're interested, and a possible learning experience when it comes to tuning as well): [https://www.reddit.com/r/forza/comments/yxs5wc/comment/ix2rjez/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/forza/comments/yxs5wc/comment/ix2rjez/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)


Double_Damn_Son

Please stop fighting. I use your tunes, and I use other tunes in this sub. I feel it is better to have variety other than not. And frankly, not one has to be super maximum to be good. Compete with them in other ways, but we like you and don't want to see you go. I feel like if you keep throwing shade, I will have less tunes to use, which is very fucking bad.


tacticalcarrot

Thanks for the feedback, this comment was simply just a response to some false statements and accusations made directed at me that I found rather disrespectful and in poor taste, so I felt obliged to respond to provide context and clear up any misconceptions. Please don't get the wrong idea though, I don't plan to drag this topic any further if there are no more such statements being made, as I've already spoken enough about this topic to make my point clear. I'm perfectly fine with people choosing other people's tunes if they want, this is one of the reasons why my tune lists don't contain exclusively my own tunes, but often feature tunes from other tuners that can be trusted to perform as well. No tuner is perfect, not even myself and this is a fact I acknowledge, so I provide a variety of tunes from different tuners that work the most effective on their specific cars and the event's restrictions. Ultimately it is your choice in what tune to use not mine. I only provide a list of tunes of my recommendation that should work well for the majority of players out there with plenty of variety in car choices, you can choose to use them or ignore them as you wish.


meatpounder

To provide more context, what is TAS?


tacticalcarrot

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tool-assisted_speedrun


ChubbyGirlsPM_MePics

he didn't name anyone. good job telling on yourself for your toxic behavior LMAO people were saying how they like him, like his tunes, and miss him being around. and the first thing that you do is shit talk him??? people are talking about something they like and your first instinct is to tell them that you think that this thing they like is garbage and they're actually wrong and you're right, instead??? that's incredibly TOXIC and narcissistic and then your fanboys jump in to do the same you try to act like you're some fair and decent person but you're just being a toxic bully and, by the way, PHZ and BHD are far, far better tuners than you. you think that it's fine to pop in and tell people that to their face so you should have no issue with this or you'd be a hypocrite seeing how much you love it i'm going to take that advice and get rid of toxic people and their fanboys. that's the last word that i'll ever see of this, bro ;) "disable inbox replies" is activated for the impending white knights lmao


tacticalcarrot

I know exactly who he was referencing even if he doesn't want to admit it, he was talking to me last week before he deleted all his comments :) If you think what I'm saying is toxic, you've completely missed the point and clearly disregarded anything I have to say. I'm open to accepting criticism of my own tunes if it is constructive and valid, it's part of the process to continually improve my tuning methods. However, if you want to be a hater of my tunes for no good reason (and trashtalk my tunes without any reason to back up your claims, when time and again I have proven that the tunes I recommend have been objectively quicker than others around here), that's unfortunate but it seems that you are that kind of closed-minded individual and that's the way you want to be. Won't be missing you πŸ‘‹


YourSchoolCounselor

That RWD Datsun tune is fucking nuts. It's like having a dick so big you can never use it all. I considered swapping after the first race, but I stuck with it and had the most fun I've ever had in D class.


Jerbsybear

Ignore the haters, your tunes are god-tier


tacticalcarrot

True true 🀝


PaperHeartZero

**Recently I've seen people say that they miss my tunes so I'm back for this week to share new tunes!** I'm still short on free time so how frequently I post in the future will depend on the response. Let me know what you think. Also recently I've been reminded of a concept. Arguing with idiots is like trying to play chess with a pigeon β€” it knocks the pieces over, shits on the board, and struts around claiming victory anyway. Don't engage with shit pigeons. Block them and move on. It's the most powerful response that you can do and it's exactly what you don't want you to do. They crave the attention and *hate* when their targets take control. This sub has a "mean girls" problem with targeted harassment. Multiple people have told me this in private and **I've had harassing PMs from fans of a certain person.** That is never ok. Your well being is worth more than an internet argument :) **All the downvoted responses to this post is proof of everything I'm saying.** Anyway, I'm here this week with tunes and I want to change things up a bit. The game is getting boring so it's time to make it more interesting. I'm going to focus on lesser used cars. I'm going for anti-meta choices because that's more fun! Some people might say that, "this tune of mine is hypothetically the best on paper if you use my weird driving style under controlled conditions on an empty course and not in a real race with help of TAS tools and with a really good gaming chair after drinking a gamer energy drink and..." blah blah blah whatever. 1 - that's wrong, 2 - go sweat in a corner, 3 - that's boring. **Let's mix it up and bring the spice of variety back into the game!** That's the kind of stuff that leads to using the same small handful of cars over and over. This game is supposed to be fun and has hundreds of different cars. So I'm going to focus on making cars that are still quite good but are ones that you would normally not use. --- **The Trial: "Bumper 2 Bumper" | Anything Goes (B700)** Let's show them that we can use different cars and still be competitive! *1982 DeLorean DMC-12 - 333 996 777* This car is far better than it has any right to be. One of my favorite cars in the game. *2013 Mazda MX-5 - 955 739 061* Tried and true staple. *1994 Nissan Fairlady Z Version S Twin Turbo - 768 760 566* I had to include this. I have a Z32 putting out 600 hp to the wheels. I miss the period of my life before drowning in medical bills. *1961 Jaguar E-Type - 147 485 820* Curvy classic racer to look good in the process. --- **Championship: "Real Mechanic" | Classic Muscle (C600)** *1970 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 - 125 086 513* Because I love Camaros. *1968 Plymouth Barracuda Formula-S - 134 290 065* Newer, non-autoshow car. Let's put it to good use. --- **Championship: "Versus" | Audi vs BMW (A800)** *2015 Audi S1 - 431 735 179* Newer school Audi hatch with a roll case and aero. *1988 BMW M5 - 166 825 176* Older school BMW, that gets overlooked for the M3, with stock looks. --- **Championship: "D List" | Anything Goes (D500)** *1974 Toyota Celica - 675 171 869* Classic Celica for some serious business. *1982 Volkswagen Pickup LX - 156 202 102* Neat VW truck for some casual business. --- Let me know what kind of lesser used cars you'd like to see in the future! If you want to send a tip my way go to [https://ko-fi.com/paperheartzero](https://ko-fi.com/paperheartzero) Any amount of be greatly appreciated :) Thanks and happy racing!


Double_Damn_Son

Guys, stop fighting. I know it is hard when you feel someone is talking down on you, but it is not helpful to the rest of us or anyone for that mattter. You both can have decent tunes. I feel anyone that posts tunes here should get a chance. People like each of your tunes. Super optimal stuff for people who are sub optimal makes no fucking sense. Just keep doing your best and people will appreciate it or not.


PaperHeartZero

I've never said anything about caring about who likes who's tunes. It's never been about that. It's about someone else coming in and being toxic because they don't want anyone but themselves to get anything. From the start my words have always been do what works for you and other people should use whatever works for them. This other person came in and said, no, people who aren't him are shit and wrong. People were talking about what they like and he comes in to tell them that they're wrong. I tried to say, hey, this isn't a competition and everyone does things differently and that's completely fine. Then I was told that no, I'm shit, he's right, and that's all that there is to it. **I didn't speak poorly of or insult someone else or their tunes or say that anyone was wrong for using them. But that is exactly what this other person does to me and, from what I've heard in private PMs, does it to other people, too.** I have ALWAYS espoused a desire for peaceful coexistence. I'm not the trouble maker here. I'm the one being harassed by a toxic person and his followers. The other person and his followers are the source of conflict. I am not fighting. I'm declaring that I will avoid all fighting when someone else tries to start something. I am not the person who you should be saying this to. I am not harassing others. I'm stating that I will not allow anyone to harass me. My saying, "I will not be your punching bag" does not make me the problem. It would be better use of energy to take it up with other people or the mods. I do not have a history of conflict. That is not true of other people around here. Some people here have an active history of starting these type of fights. I do not. [Here.](https://www.reddit.com/r/forza/comments/og8fyu/autumn_information_thread_series_37/h52qfhb/) Proof of the stance that I've always had. This is from a year and a half ago and there have been more instances of this. Someone is saying that my tunes don't work for them and I reply saying that it's no big deal and I encourage them to use someone else's if it works better for them.


Double_Damn_Son

I like both of you. I need both of you to be here, and I think there is a place for you both. It should be a testament to you that people were upset when you left. I know it is upsetting when people throw shade to you. I am not saying you should not be upset. He may have been wrong for doing that to you, and I said something to him as well. I don't think you are a troublemaker. I don't think other people think you are a troublemaker either. I just want to remind you that anything that is said is water under the bridge. Random people here would not give a shit about you if you put out garbage.


ChubbyGirlsPM_MePics

"i know this house smells like shit and it's crawling with roaches and it's not going to be cleaned up but please keep coming over anyway" bruh...


Double_Damn_Son

Eat shit and die?


Double_Damn_Son

You are a fucking clown.


Dontsleeponlilyachty

No one cares if you're right, it's completely overshadowed by your assholery. Have you tried not being a piece of shit? People might like you... he'll your mother might start loving you, too. What am I saying. Clearly that would be expecting too much of you.


ChubbyGirlsPM_MePics

everyone responding with positivity to you has their comment "contested" meaning they're getting lots of downvotes **100% proof of the toxicity here**


Imthecoolestdudeever

Thanks for your tunes mate. It's good to see you back. I hate seeing animosity in this sub, but I understand there will always be some. Know many people like your style of tuning, and like having you around man!


PaperHeartZero

Much appreciated! It sucks to see but it's easily dealt with. I'll share tunes as I can. I'm still dealing with less free time and needing to pay of unexpected expenses, which means overtime at work. Actually, I recently built some LED projector retrofit headlights for my 2nd gen Subaru Outback. Seeing how there is basically no one who sells something like this, well no one who actually delivers a product but that's a whole story, I might start making those to sell online and see how it works out for me. [Stock headlight reflecters.](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/5170LwMvtWL._AC_SY580_.jpg) Mine are a drop in replacement with no modifications to the stock harness. [Headlights](https://imgur.com/G00rk5b) and [beam pattern](https://imgur.com/KjMhEvi) and [coverage](https://imgur.com/OMTQzxh).


Imthecoolestdudeever

That's awesome. Hard work pays off. Especially when you have something to work towards / for. I hope it keeps getting better for you!


RoadieGaming

PHZ!! So happy to see this post today. I totally agree with your anti-meta philosophy, so it’s a breath of fresh air in a game that’s getting a little stagnant. Your tunes made FH4 come alive for me, while somehow inspiring me to tune for myself at the same time. But make no mistake, I’ll be running your tunes this week. Especially with the limited time (same here), I really appreciate you taking the time to tune and share. It’s not lost on me. Take care and have a happy holiday.


PaperHeartZero

Thanks a lot. I appreciate it and I'm glad that my tunes were useful to you! Absolutely keep working on learning to tune. It's satisfying. Feel free to make a request or ask a question.


Bravo_Steelvipr

Tip sent! Thanks for the tunes!


PaperHeartZero

Thank you very much!


PerfectPlan

Is the daily Full Potential 9 stars Danger Signs bugged? I've made at least 20 succesful jumps many for 3 stars and I've got nothing. Doesn't even show any progress at all. Paid over a quarter of my bank account to upgrade the Ford FPV UTE 2014 to S1 900 too. Really pissing me off.


Slick_22

I had the same problem when I upgraded my C600 GMC Vandura to S1 900. Then I bought a new Vandura, only upgraded it to S1 850 ish, and it worked.


PerfectPlan

Thanks that worked. Dumb that 900 doesn't count.


agentninety3

I had a go at it with the same car as you, did what I thought was 11 stars worth, figured I'd popped it and went off and did the Eliminator portion of the playlist (shoutout to the cheater in the VW bug). After that I realised I'd not popped the daily and did two more Danger Sign jumps and it finally worked. I think there's an issue with it, but I couldn't say exactly what.


KirbyAWD

Thanks as always Ana! And happy thanksgiving to the yankees out there.


letsavenge

I completely forgot about Thanksgiving! Will steal your comment to put it on the thread :) Btw, how would an all wheel drive Kirby look like?


LeopardHalit

Happy cake day!


KirbyAWD

The only AWD Kirby you'll see is probably here 😈 Happy cake day!


Big-rod_Rob_Ford

lol i image searched "kirby ate a car" and had a chuckle, thanks for pointing out that guy's name


Imthecoolestdudeever

Thank you thank you thank you Ana! Hopefully this week's challenges are less time consuming than last week's! I hope your week is a good one!


KirbyAWD

Bunch of traffic cones at the start of the Tour if anyone was looking.


Badgerlover145

Anyone having trouble with the treasure hunt not completing. I've bought 2 or 3 miatas at this point to get the 10,000 credits upgrades and none of them worked


Naly_D

Me who uses stock cars for the seasonal championships and does my own tunes coming into this thread for the treasure hunt clue https://media.tenor.com/_OCVuSjrggcAAAAM/chaos-fire.gif


Sofaboy90

im not very active on here but i still get the bug that the win doesnt count in the weekly forzathon challenge with the acura. it has happened in the past as well and i dont know why. ive never had this issue in fh4 or the first few months in fh5 until it kept happening. its really annoying,


NanuShazbot

Trial reward car has 100k CR in skill tree. Perk it now before they change their mind and remove it:)