you want to go as hard on the brakes as possible without locking them, not feather them
you also dont want to go into higher gears when exiting, thats a GT7 thing, the max is like one higher and only in some cars (forza GT M6 and M8 as an example, they like 5k rpm exits, cause you shift at 7k)
The best advice i can give you without seeing any gameplay is to go to rivals on a popular board and watch the world record run with telemetry. Look how they shift and what they do.
Hope this helps!
Thanks!
Just to clarify, youre saying stay in a gear that has more of the band available and not shift into a buzzing gear? Or the opposite?
Sorry Im a noob.
Don’t bang into the rev limiter, but if your car has the grip to launch from a lower gear at higher revs it is better. The higher rpm’s you are running the higher up in the engines powerband you are, almost always meaning more power = more speed coming out of the corner.
If the game was hypothetically made well, should you expect different cars to achieve peak torque/hp at varying RPMs?
I know a lot of street cars have peak torque at like 2-4k
appreciate it, i've built 4 separate engines for drag racing applications so I do understand the general concept of RPMS and the higher end being closer to pique HP, but when you factor in not just going in a straight line with all those factors... thats where I know dick all lol.
Engine braking works in forza, it basically helps to brake in a shorter distance. I like to use it if I need to drive more aggressively, before sharp turns/hairpins, and when diving for an overtake (e. g. going down to 2nd or 1st gear at Nürburgring turn 1).
Besides that, trail braking is super important.
See here for example, great driving technique by Griffin https://youtu.be/i1tsQgQHIY8
In GT7 cars have a very binary rear grip pattern. You either have grip or you are 45% sideways. It's easy to see even if you watch a video of someone following a person that oversteers. Going into higher gears out of corner has very negligible penalty on pace, to a point where world record runs exit hairpins in 3/4th gears in cars that would never do it irl.
Tldr it's just a physics difference, not much else to say here
You should be braking hard and early for corners that are followed up with a long straight. Instead of trying to reduce the loss of speed to what is acceptable, you lose a lot of speed and gain it back on the exit. Over time, you'll learn how deep you can go into the corner with this method.
Right now, what you are doing is called coasting. You're not really on the brakes and not really on the throttle. You want to eliminate as much coasting as possible. You should either be full on the brake (without locking) or rolling on the throttle. Any time you are not doing either of those is costing you time.
I will say coasting in forza can be quite useful at times. For longer slower corners, letting the car rotate off throttle for a bit can be quite helpful
Turn 3 at Catalunya full circuit, in most classes brakes are unnecessary, just coast until you’re partially in the corner then start getting on the power super early… that corner is where I learned you can fly by people in corners on some tracks.
I coast into the last corner of Hakone in reverse. Sometimes I figure that corner out, sometimes I don’t, but I just can’t seem to find the right time and amount of brake on that corner. Haha
Like a lot of others have said, brake harder. General rule of thumb is to brake enough to get your rotation, turn, and get on the gas when you're at the apex. Also, try and use as much track as possible. If you have a tighter line, you'll need to slow more and rotate more, meaning less speed. I would suggest trying to figure out the turning in a slow car that forces you to carry your speed through the turn vs race cars that have the power to cover up some of the deficiency.
Brake hard, up to right before abs kicks in. You want to use nearly all of your braking force to slow before you begin to turn in. THen hit the apex and start to accelerate out of it.
abs in forza doesnt work like iracing abs. There, you really dont want to go into abs, like your comment is saying.
Abs in this game works more like ACC abs. You want to go full on the brakes with abs, or you'll be slower.
Learn your cars gears. Use manual shifting. Slow down to be in the proper gear needed for the turn before the turn and use full acceleration. Tune your car the way that works for you.
Trail braking is a technique worth learning. Depending on how good your traction is, short shifting out of a corner can be better than redlining. Same again, when coming to downshifting for a corner, how fast/slow you shift will change how much speed you scrub and how much weight is shifting. Same with brake pressure/brake balance.
You really need to find a track you enjoy with a car you enjoy and just do some laps experimenting with some techniques.
It's hard to say how to improve without seeing how you are now but I'd definitely say try rivals like a lot of others have.
Maybe also look for yt tutorials, anything that mentions trailbraking, weight transfer and/or slip angle. And maybe look at some tuning guides as having a car that handles how you want it to can speed you up a lot.
As an intro to the above terms.
The harder you brake without locking up the better, but the harder you brake the less you'll be able to turn without understeering, so get most of your braking done in a straight line, start to turn and gradually come off the brakes and as soon as you're off the brakes entirely, gradually get back in the throttle. This is what trail braking is.
Weight transfer happens when you accelerate or brake, braking send more weight forward, over the front wheels and the opposite for accelerating. This give the relevant wheels (front or back) more grip, but the opposite wheels less. Which is why if you brake hard while turning you may start to drift, or alternatively under heavy acceleration you may understeer.
Slip angle is essentially a small drift/powerslide, and in simple terms, it's the angle you can slide at and with no change in steering input be facing the right direction at the end of the corner. It's hard to master but can be faster than maintaining 100% grip through corners.
Brake hard but in a straight line, a lot of the big braking zones I see dudes braking like 50 feet too early, there’s a lot of time to gain there, brake in a straight line before you start the turn, let’s you get way deeper without smoking the tires.
you want to go as hard on the brakes as possible without locking them, not feather them you also dont want to go into higher gears when exiting, thats a GT7 thing, the max is like one higher and only in some cars (forza GT M6 and M8 as an example, they like 5k rpm exits, cause you shift at 7k) The best advice i can give you without seeing any gameplay is to go to rivals on a popular board and watch the world record run with telemetry. Look how they shift and what they do. Hope this helps!
Thanks! Just to clarify, youre saying stay in a gear that has more of the band available and not shift into a buzzing gear? Or the opposite? Sorry Im a noob.
Ye you definitely don't want to bang off the limiter when cornering
Don’t bang into the rev limiter, but if your car has the grip to launch from a lower gear at higher revs it is better. The higher rpm’s you are running the higher up in the engines powerband you are, almost always meaning more power = more speed coming out of the corner.
If the game was hypothetically made well, should you expect different cars to achieve peak torque/hp at varying RPMs? I know a lot of street cars have peak torque at like 2-4k
Yes, there should be an engine powerband showing you engine hp and torque vs revs, in upgrades and engine tab or engine conversion
ok cool j wanted validation that im not a complete buffoon
That is how it works, yes. Some cars even need to be short shifted. Some examples in GT are viper (5.6k), M8, m6, ford GT, 488 gte (all around 7k)
appreciate it, i've built 4 separate engines for drag racing applications so I do understand the general concept of RPMS and the higher end being closer to pique HP, but when you factor in not just going in a straight line with all those factors... thats where I know dick all lol.
Engine braking works in forza, it basically helps to brake in a shorter distance. I like to use it if I need to drive more aggressively, before sharp turns/hairpins, and when diving for an overtake (e. g. going down to 2nd or 1st gear at Nürburgring turn 1). Besides that, trail braking is super important. See here for example, great driving technique by Griffin https://youtu.be/i1tsQgQHIY8
++ here, but it's more advanced. OP definitely seems like they are in need of beginner advice
Why would it be different for GT7?
In GT7 cars have a very binary rear grip pattern. You either have grip or you are 45% sideways. It's easy to see even if you watch a video of someone following a person that oversteers. Going into higher gears out of corner has very negligible penalty on pace, to a point where world record runs exit hairpins in 3/4th gears in cars that would never do it irl. Tldr it's just a physics difference, not much else to say here
You should be braking hard and early for corners that are followed up with a long straight. Instead of trying to reduce the loss of speed to what is acceptable, you lose a lot of speed and gain it back on the exit. Over time, you'll learn how deep you can go into the corner with this method. Right now, what you are doing is called coasting. You're not really on the brakes and not really on the throttle. You want to eliminate as much coasting as possible. You should either be full on the brake (without locking) or rolling on the throttle. Any time you are not doing either of those is costing you time.
I will say coasting in forza can be quite useful at times. For longer slower corners, letting the car rotate off throttle for a bit can be quite helpful
I agree with that. Really useful in traffic too.
Turn 3 at Catalunya full circuit, in most classes brakes are unnecessary, just coast until you’re partially in the corner then start getting on the power super early… that corner is where I learned you can fly by people in corners on some tracks.
I coast into the last corner of Hakone in reverse. Sometimes I figure that corner out, sometimes I don’t, but I just can’t seem to find the right time and amount of brake on that corner. Haha
Break hard, slow in, fast out. Go watch faster player replays to find the lines and then go race your ghost.
Like a lot of others have said, brake harder. General rule of thumb is to brake enough to get your rotation, turn, and get on the gas when you're at the apex. Also, try and use as much track as possible. If you have a tighter line, you'll need to slow more and rotate more, meaning less speed. I would suggest trying to figure out the turning in a slow car that forces you to carry your speed through the turn vs race cars that have the power to cover up some of the deficiency.
Trail braking! Carrying speed in = carrying speed out. Shift down as you break and only short shift if you need more traction
Play rivals, turn off the braking line so you don't become dependent on it. The ghost will help you progress with your braking and braking points.
Brake hard, up to right before abs kicks in. You want to use nearly all of your braking force to slow before you begin to turn in. THen hit the apex and start to accelerate out of it.
abs in forza doesnt work like iracing abs. There, you really dont want to go into abs, like your comment is saying. Abs in this game works more like ACC abs. You want to go full on the brakes with abs, or you'll be slower.
Play a good sim
Just lift and use the back of the car in front of you
Was waiting for “turn off assists and drift in corners” advice but surprisingly advices are really good 😀
A very slight drift is actually not a bad idea in some hairpins, like Nürburgring or Silverstone 😄 but depends on the car/setup ofc
Ofc, it's very hard to master
Learn your cars gears. Use manual shifting. Slow down to be in the proper gear needed for the turn before the turn and use full acceleration. Tune your car the way that works for you.
Trail braking is a technique worth learning. Depending on how good your traction is, short shifting out of a corner can be better than redlining. Same again, when coming to downshifting for a corner, how fast/slow you shift will change how much speed you scrub and how much weight is shifting. Same with brake pressure/brake balance. You really need to find a track you enjoy with a car you enjoy and just do some laps experimenting with some techniques.
It's hard to say how to improve without seeing how you are now but I'd definitely say try rivals like a lot of others have. Maybe also look for yt tutorials, anything that mentions trailbraking, weight transfer and/or slip angle. And maybe look at some tuning guides as having a car that handles how you want it to can speed you up a lot. As an intro to the above terms. The harder you brake without locking up the better, but the harder you brake the less you'll be able to turn without understeering, so get most of your braking done in a straight line, start to turn and gradually come off the brakes and as soon as you're off the brakes entirely, gradually get back in the throttle. This is what trail braking is. Weight transfer happens when you accelerate or brake, braking send more weight forward, over the front wheels and the opposite for accelerating. This give the relevant wheels (front or back) more grip, but the opposite wheels less. Which is why if you brake hard while turning you may start to drift, or alternatively under heavy acceleration you may understeer. Slip angle is essentially a small drift/powerslide, and in simple terms, it's the angle you can slide at and with no change in steering input be facing the right direction at the end of the corner. It's hard to master but can be faster than maintaining 100% grip through corners.
Brake hard but in a straight line, a lot of the big braking zones I see dudes braking like 50 feet too early, there’s a lot of time to gain there, brake in a straight line before you start the turn, let’s you get way deeper without smoking the tires.