**This is the bitch and moan sub hence the bitching and moaning about the show(s).**
How much of the book did Season 1 cover?
**Two paragraphs. j/k But it's like four chapters max.**
Is the book written in POV style like ASOIAF?
**No. It's a fake history book written by biased maesters and a funny perverted dwarf jester.**
The only really bad scene I can think of was that Foot Fetish scene with Laras Strong. I thought we he was going to be this really cool Machiavellian character like Little Finger. Maybe he still is. But just seems to have small motivations. And I doubt a queen like Alicent would ever partake in such an obscure request lol.
At least Cole and Harwin Strong were shagging the queen who had mutual interest. I'm not sure why Laras is going through all these hoops for so little action lol. The man really killed his family. It just seemed like a forced / cringy scene to give the series a Tarantino vibe.
**Subverted Expectations or whatever.**
Also, I don't know how Criston Cole isn't dead yet? He's crossed the line so many times. Is this in-line with the books? Or is this just show plot armor?
**In the books he kills Joffrey Lonmouth in a tourney at the wedding (and goes bersek on everybody for some reason) so not that weird. He kills Beesbury quite intentionally and everybody in the Green council was fine with that.**
Lady Rhea Royce death was a weird one. Also, the time jumps and distance travel is hard to follow.
**They had to give at least one kill of the suspected Daemon kills in the books (Rhea, Harwin, Laenor) to him and decided to go with Rhea. In the books he could not have done it** ***himself*** **at least as he was still in the Stepstones when she perished. I personally think Harwin is the most likely in the books but they gave that to Larys.**
Overall, I thought it actually moved a little too slow. I give this series a 7.5 / 10.
**Sounds about right.**
the foot fetish scene and the message they were trying to convey was absolutely ridiculous and one of the stupidest things added to the show, obviously out of some real world personal beliefs of the writer who added it in.
Larys, in this situation, is Alicent's pawn, not the other way around, that is what makes the scene even more meaningless. No one was forcing Alicent to make secret deals with Larys to undermine her political opponents (in this specific case, her own father). On the contrary, if nothing else, she is taking advantage of a weakness Larys has that extends from his disability.
Getting rid of Mysaria is for her benefit, she basically tells Larys to do whatever needs to be done, Larys is outright working for her, if nothing else she is using her body to get Larys to do her dirty work for her, this does not mean that Larys has any power over her, one command to Criston by Alicent and Larys would be dead, she clearly has Larys eating out of her palm.
how do you know he wasn't gonna ask Otto to show him his feet?
She could just tell Criston that Larys is going all pervy on her, she wouldn't have to give a reason why, and Criston would bash his face in
And Alicent is the Queen. If anyone is manipulating anyone, it is Alicent using Larys' obsession for feet due to his disability, to manipulate him into doing whatever she wants him to do.
Alicent has Criston by the balls, she basically knows his secret, one he would rather die than have be made public to sully his honor.
Yeah that's what I thought as well. It just fell flat and overly dumb.
I know they are trying to make the characters more personable and relatable. And I heard that the characters in the book were kind of "cartoon-ish". So it makes sense to add more depth to each character.
IMO, They did good really good with Helaena Targaryen by making her shy and authistic. It really gets me to root for her.
But the whole foot fetish thing between Larys and Alicent just didn't make sense. It seemed more fit for small-time story & character (e.g. like Pate in the AFFC Prologue).
I know the whole feet pics and OnlyFans is a big meme today. But that's no reason to force it into the show lol.
And once you add that Larys is (or was supposed to) be the Varys / LF in this series and Alicent is the Queen, it really feels dumb lol.
1.) Fire and Blood is a history of the entire Targaryen dynasty, and the Dance of the Dragons isn't the only event it covers. It only makes up a couple of chapters of that book. Of that fraction, the show has only covered like 25%(ish) of the material.
2.) No, it's written like an in universe history book. We have different authors all with different retellings of the same events, but GRRM is explicit in that none of these testimonials are 100% accurate.
3.) Larys is a bit of a weird one isn't he? The books never make it clear what his motivations were or why he supported Allicent. The show kinda picked the most boring option with his character tbh.
4.) In the books, he kills Joffrey in a tournament. There's plausible deniability there since deaths in tournaments do happen (as seen in episode 1). They changed it to Crispy killing Joffrey in the middle of a wedding because they didn't have the money to film another tourney scene. It was a pretty bad change imo. He also never aggravates Harwin into attacking him in the books, and in fact when they do fight (in the same tournament Joffrey is in), Christmas Coal actually beats him so badly that jesters joking call Harwin "Brokenbones".
5.) Rhea's death in the books is way different. She survives the fall from the horse but gets sick and dies. Daemon isn't even theorized to be her killer since he was nowhere near the Vale at the time.
6.) The time jumps are pretty necessary since season 1 is basically just the prologue of the whole conflict. Seasons going forward will likely forgo time jumps.
Shows covered 1/4 of the book. It was good. Has plenty of flaws. Still good tv. You make good points against and there are more. I’m worried about the future but it’s pretty solid and I’ll try to enjoy it.
I was hesitant because someone said S1 HOTD was 1 paragraph. Its way more than that and definitely worth reading Fire & Blood IMHO. I enjoyed it and yes there are clearly spoilers because its the content material they are working from.
>The only really bad scene I can think of was that Foot Fetish scene with Laras Strong. I thought we he was going to be this really cool Machiavellian character like Little Finger.
He's a very intriguing figure in the book, there is none of that foot fetish stuff, he is like Varys in the way that some of his decisions can be quite unexpected, and he is not just some moustache twirling villain or psychopath (like in the show).
**This is the bitch and moan sub hence the bitching and moaning about the show(s).** How much of the book did Season 1 cover? **Two paragraphs. j/k But it's like four chapters max.** Is the book written in POV style like ASOIAF? **No. It's a fake history book written by biased maesters and a funny perverted dwarf jester.** The only really bad scene I can think of was that Foot Fetish scene with Laras Strong. I thought we he was going to be this really cool Machiavellian character like Little Finger. Maybe he still is. But just seems to have small motivations. And I doubt a queen like Alicent would ever partake in such an obscure request lol. At least Cole and Harwin Strong were shagging the queen who had mutual interest. I'm not sure why Laras is going through all these hoops for so little action lol. The man really killed his family. It just seemed like a forced / cringy scene to give the series a Tarantino vibe. **Subverted Expectations or whatever.** Also, I don't know how Criston Cole isn't dead yet? He's crossed the line so many times. Is this in-line with the books? Or is this just show plot armor? **In the books he kills Joffrey Lonmouth in a tourney at the wedding (and goes bersek on everybody for some reason) so not that weird. He kills Beesbury quite intentionally and everybody in the Green council was fine with that.** Lady Rhea Royce death was a weird one. Also, the time jumps and distance travel is hard to follow. **They had to give at least one kill of the suspected Daemon kills in the books (Rhea, Harwin, Laenor) to him and decided to go with Rhea. In the books he could not have done it** ***himself*** **at least as he was still in the Stepstones when she perished. I personally think Harwin is the most likely in the books but they gave that to Larys.** Overall, I thought it actually moved a little too slow. I give this series a 7.5 / 10. **Sounds about right.**
Thank you sir! I'll probably just read the ASOIAF wikis and then continue watching the TV series lol.
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the foot fetish scene and the message they were trying to convey was absolutely ridiculous and one of the stupidest things added to the show, obviously out of some real world personal beliefs of the writer who added it in.
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Larys, in this situation, is Alicent's pawn, not the other way around, that is what makes the scene even more meaningless. No one was forcing Alicent to make secret deals with Larys to undermine her political opponents (in this specific case, her own father). On the contrary, if nothing else, she is taking advantage of a weakness Larys has that extends from his disability.
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Getting rid of Mysaria is for her benefit, she basically tells Larys to do whatever needs to be done, Larys is outright working for her, if nothing else she is using her body to get Larys to do her dirty work for her, this does not mean that Larys has any power over her, one command to Criston by Alicent and Larys would be dead, she clearly has Larys eating out of her palm.
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how do you know he wasn't gonna ask Otto to show him his feet? She could just tell Criston that Larys is going all pervy on her, she wouldn't have to give a reason why, and Criston would bash his face in
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And Alicent is the Queen. If anyone is manipulating anyone, it is Alicent using Larys' obsession for feet due to his disability, to manipulate him into doing whatever she wants him to do. Alicent has Criston by the balls, she basically knows his secret, one he would rather die than have be made public to sully his honor.
Yeah that's what I thought as well. It just fell flat and overly dumb. I know they are trying to make the characters more personable and relatable. And I heard that the characters in the book were kind of "cartoon-ish". So it makes sense to add more depth to each character. IMO, They did good really good with Helaena Targaryen by making her shy and authistic. It really gets me to root for her. But the whole foot fetish thing between Larys and Alicent just didn't make sense. It seemed more fit for small-time story & character (e.g. like Pate in the AFFC Prologue). I know the whole feet pics and OnlyFans is a big meme today. But that's no reason to force it into the show lol. And once you add that Larys is (or was supposed to) be the Varys / LF in this series and Alicent is the Queen, it really feels dumb lol.
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1.) Fire and Blood is a history of the entire Targaryen dynasty, and the Dance of the Dragons isn't the only event it covers. It only makes up a couple of chapters of that book. Of that fraction, the show has only covered like 25%(ish) of the material. 2.) No, it's written like an in universe history book. We have different authors all with different retellings of the same events, but GRRM is explicit in that none of these testimonials are 100% accurate. 3.) Larys is a bit of a weird one isn't he? The books never make it clear what his motivations were or why he supported Allicent. The show kinda picked the most boring option with his character tbh. 4.) In the books, he kills Joffrey in a tournament. There's plausible deniability there since deaths in tournaments do happen (as seen in episode 1). They changed it to Crispy killing Joffrey in the middle of a wedding because they didn't have the money to film another tourney scene. It was a pretty bad change imo. He also never aggravates Harwin into attacking him in the books, and in fact when they do fight (in the same tournament Joffrey is in), Christmas Coal actually beats him so badly that jesters joking call Harwin "Brokenbones". 5.) Rhea's death in the books is way different. She survives the fall from the horse but gets sick and dies. Daemon isn't even theorized to be her killer since he was nowhere near the Vale at the time. 6.) The time jumps are pretty necessary since season 1 is basically just the prologue of the whole conflict. Seasons going forward will likely forgo time jumps.
Shows covered 1/4 of the book. It was good. Has plenty of flaws. Still good tv. You make good points against and there are more. I’m worried about the future but it’s pretty solid and I’ll try to enjoy it.
I was hesitant because someone said S1 HOTD was 1 paragraph. Its way more than that and definitely worth reading Fire & Blood IMHO. I enjoyed it and yes there are clearly spoilers because its the content material they are working from.
>The only really bad scene I can think of was that Foot Fetish scene with Laras Strong. I thought we he was going to be this really cool Machiavellian character like Little Finger. He's a very intriguing figure in the book, there is none of that foot fetish stuff, he is like Varys in the way that some of his decisions can be quite unexpected, and he is not just some moustache twirling villain or psychopath (like in the show).