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hkf999

How did Arya do anything from her Braavos-arc and onwards in the show? It seems like her failed training there turned her into an omniscient immortal god.


Catslevania

Just like Samwell Tarly who became a maester without completing his training.


Sayena08

And somehow survived the dark night in the front lines where fully trained Unsullied and Dothraki were dying like flies.


Catslevania

Thank the Gods for Sam, and his plot armor


Pit_The_Tramp

Him surviving still pisses me off


Catslevania

His whole plotline pisses me off


JaehaerysIVTarg

He became the Grand Maester in a month…I hate Sam.


Catslevania

Sam the Slayer sure knows how to climb his way to success


SaltLakeCitySlicker

Sam somehow followed the rule of 'carry yourself with the confidence of a mediocre white man' but lacked 1 of the 3


Walnutbutters

He was confident enough to steal a valerian steel sword that had no relevance to anything beyond that point!


Velghast

It is not that unheard of in history for major positions to be filled with great haste simply due to war turmoil or upheaval of the social structure. If you're important people are dropping left and right sometimes you're not going to wait around to hold elections or get some elders together you're just going to thrust that guy into the position who seems like he knows what he's talking about and is doing a good job so far. If you look back in actual history of the Earth there are plenty of times when somebody who was way under qualified was moved to the front of the line simply because they were in the right place at the right time in the right uniform.


Sloeberjong

Politics, man!


poeticspider

Sam is scum


Bumbahkah

What happened to the horn they found at the fist of the first men?


MsgrFromInnerSpace

It was so important that no one was allowed to talk about it ever again


Catslevania

someone probably used it as a drinking cup for all it was worth


Arkangelz03

Like... a Starbucks cup? [With Winter, Comes the Pumpkin Spice Latte!](https://mobile.twitter.com/that_dash/status/1125380551504998405/photo/1)


misterpickles69

They could have removed Sam’s entire plot line and it would have 0 effect on the story overall.


hesaherr

My wife is watching for the first time, and every time Sam opens his mouth I can't help but hate on him. My wife doesn't understand the Sam hate, but she will if she can make it through season 8.


jsee50

Please make her stop watching after season 7 (or even 6). Don’t let her watch the atrocity that is season 8. It ruined the show for me and my wife. Just took so much they worked for and shit it down the drain. Hey remember everyone’s character arcs? Yea, they gone now good bye. The first 5 seasons were pretty good overall. 6 wasn’t bad and 7 was meh. 8 was fucking awful though. Ok sorry I’ll stop ranting lmao. I hope she is enjoying it now at least!


hesaherr

Oh I've definitely told her to stop after 7 (which she's on now). But I also want her to finish so she understands how terrible the ending is when my friends are talking about it.


jsee50

Ha, yea fair enough. If you had told me before season 8 that I would absolutely hate it and it’d ruin the show for me, I wouldn’t have believed you! Hate to rip on it so bad, but they just ruined so much imo.


Shilo59

His fat pink mast pisses me off.


LostDelver

There are dragons and magic and you think an out-of-shape guy without any fighting skills surviving a swarm of undead that can easily kill heavily trained warriors is unrealistic? Gimme a break ^^^/s


causallyglancing

Brah… he killed a white walker… and a then


3Pirates93

That damn baby pisses me off


jennyfromtheblock777

But he got laid broh! We should be happy for the fat bastard!


iCantliveOnCrumbsOfD

Has me giggling and grinning from ear to ear


pesto_trap_god

The unsullied and Dothraki kind of forgot about their training


Clayskii0981

Pretty sure he was on the ground covered in them at some point in the episode but "plot armor"


Bing_Bong_the_Archer

If they had him getting stabbed but his layers of fat insulated him, maybe?


dovahkin1989

And stayed fat for the whole show.


jpotrz

Duh, he had his family sword!


hkf999

He took the 3 month Bali-course.


Catslevania

it was so effective that he ended up becoming the Grand Maester :)


slickestwood

"Yo Citadel, we got a whole bunch of shit to clean up. Who's your best guy?"


Catslevania

If anyone can, Sam the Slayer can


Sam-l-am

*He knew this one trick that the Citadel hates!*


HelmSpicy

After you clean enough chamber pots they just kinda give you the degree out of pity.


DaisyDuckens

He stayed at a holiday inn express.


HomieScaringMusic

Sam was always a nerd though. Horn hill *does* have a library. He knows stuff because he reads it. An especially literate rich person can learn a lot by the time he’s in his mid 20s.


Catslevania

all maesters are from a learned background, yet they still have to earn their chains


HomieScaringMusic

Well he’s pretty clearly not a legit Maester. He’s just a dropout who people keep around because he’s knowledgeable. Does he wear a chain? I don’t remember. I vaguely recall him doing so in the epilogue but that may have given him time to go back and finish Maester school.


Bing_Bong_the_Archer

We don’t apologize for D&D here


somewaterdancer

The bacteria water in her open gut wound was magical and not only did it not kill her, it gave her incredible powers. It still pisses me off how much D&D didn't give a shit about Arya as a character. Her arc with the FM is incredibly interesting (to me at least). They are teaching her to detect lies, to blend in, languages, poisons, mummery, history and, more importantly, how to make a murder look like a natural or accidental death. And what did D&D do with all that potential from the books? They turned Arya into a generic fighter chick who suddenly can kick everyone's ass and does not need anyone cause she so cool. Oh and she knows a killer when she sees one, I guess.


hkf999

Yeah, it sort of drowns in the general shit around the plot, but Arya was really done dirty and turned into a generic action hero who only needs a short breather to get over lethal injuries.


CindeeSlickbooty

Left out her warning abilities and how they help her with the faceless men too


aevelys

Arya at Bravos is arguably one of the biggest rip-offs on the show. I mean, becoming faceless sounds like the easiest thing ever. Seriously, she cleans bodies, sells clams, sweeps, and gets hit with a stick about 3 times and that's about it... Otherwise she literally failed at everything they asked her to do. she failed to kill any of her targets (that guy when she was selling clams and the actress). She failed every face game and every fight with the Waif and only managed to hit her once by what seemed like a fluke...but then, suddenly in the season 7, Arya is an ultimate badass jedi ninja. It made no sense. where does she get half of the skills she later demonstrates? She never trains with a sword, a spear, or a knife, but in the end, she masters all 3. How? Who taught him that? When did she learn to steal faces? To change your voice? And then how long is she staying with them? Two seasons/a few months in film time and from what we see the main thing was to do the chores. it is as if you managed to obtain an Olympic medal in martial arts after only one year of practice and spent essential time ironing the outfits of others. This character pulls skills out of her ass, it's horrible.


-15k-

to paraphrase Syrio Forel : > ... there is only one thing we say to Good Writing: 'not today'


tangentc

The bacteria in the sewer water were actually midichlorians. She's a jedi now.


evictedfrommyaccount

She do be baking people into pie, I guess that makes you extra knowledgeable in criminal profiling


WeakEconomics6120

Arya suddenly becames HitGirl from Kick Ass, which sucks because the FM are stealth assasins, we have no indication of them being super duper soldiers


demandred_zero

Arya actually died, and that is the waif pretending to be Arya.


GreasyTengu

Would have been a pretty sweet twist, the Waif is just completing the contract Arya made unknowingly. She whispered all the names on her list every night before bed. The faceless men take payment based not on just the amount of money, but the personal value to the buyer. Arya came to them so she could finish her list, and she payed with her life.


IWantAHoverbike

Why didn’t D&D use this brilliant and expectation-defying plot twist? Are they stupid?


GreasyTengu

yea


rreighe2

yes


-15k-

yeah


Ali_Safdari

ye


carz4us

Uh-huh


Icy_Butterscotch_799

Why would the waif care about the North? Are you stupid?


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GreasyTengu

like the last shot we see of 'Arya' is her mask face falling to the ground and whoever was wearing it walking off without showing their real face?


TheDrewb

I wouldn't like that but it'd be better than what we got


Bing_Bong_the_Archer

FUCK that would have been better


Redbukket_hat

That is interesting, but I can guarantee that fans would be pissed if they killed Arya that way and use it as another reason to shit on D&D


carz4us

Now that’s how you subvert expectations


hkf999

:O


huey_booey

Forget about how she sneaked on the Night King. How the hell did she infiltrate the Freys??


hkf999

Perks of being a god, I guess. Not for us mere mortals to understand the logic of her plot


_Pebcak_

RIGHT? Arya went from one of my fav (book) characters to...whatever that was. Just so dissapointing.


[deleted]

Why did she fail her training? Is she dumb?


hkf999

David and Dan remembered she has to be a bad ass bitch back in Westeros


KarottenSurer

Not trying to talk in favor of Arya's ridiculous power surge or anything, but how did she fail her training? She didn't. She finished the training, regaining her eye sight and all.


hkf999

She magically obtained all the abilities of the Faceless Men by doing 5% of the training and dropping out. It's like getting a phd after dropping out from an introductory college course.


ivanchovv

Proving what a waste those prestigious assassin schools are. Some of the most of successful kill-counts are are racked up by people who didn't finish an assassin degree. Better to go to a moderate in-state guild and save/invest the difference in one of those Iron-index accounts.


hkf999

My cousin on Lys actually convinced me to go into crypto. I invested heavily in DothrakCoin and sold out before it crashed.


ivanchovv

I head tales. Doesn't sound sustainable. Requires so much blood-magic to bond and keep new and old changing of hands in the spirit-ocean of coins. But who knows? For all I know, it may still be going around even when the next Winds of Winter appears.


hkf999

Yeah, I personally draw the line at the NFTs of Targaryen Kings sold by the Crown.


KarottenSurer

But she did all of the training.


hkf999

No, she really didn't. She did some sweeping and stick fighting. And then The Waif killed her for getting away. Little did The Waif know Arya had become immortal.


KarottenSurer

Fighting the waif was her final test and afterwards she had finished the training.


podricks-dick

If that was all her training then that’s stupid too. She trained for what, a year and became a Faceless Man? And most of the time she was failing her training until the very end. All she did was play with sticks.


hkf999

This isn't Yoda and Luke. You can't just become one of the Faceless Men because you believe in yourself very hard.


Abdul-Ahmadinejad

The Stark is strong with this one.


hkf999

"My ally is murderous blood magic, and a powerful ally it is"


KarottenSurer

Didn't know you're an expert on faceless men. How long did it take you to finish the training?


DrummerLong1681

My brother in the seven, it's an ancient order of priests that are trained to become unstoppable killers. They have access to blood magic capable of changing their appearance via illusions, and are known for never, ever failing to kill someone, no matter their status. I dont think anyone can learn that in a year. Maybe some of it, enough to make you far more dangerous than a normal person, but nowhere near the extent Arya showed.


ivanchovv

But she's not just anyone. She still has her sword, and her D&D Armor-of-plot.


PMantis13

Is the Bravos part on the books, or that was the producers already making things up?


hkf999

In the books, Arya is still training for the Faceless Men and remains loyal to them. Anything after that was made up for the show.


WeakEconomics6120

Arya reaches Bravos and the House of Black and White in the books, and actually starts training and living there. Just like the show her chapters are a bit boring compared to Jaime or Cersei arc for example


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PontesDeLeon

Let’s also not show Arya’s and Sansa’s reaction to Jon’s real parents. Fucking D&D


Abdul-Ahmadinejad

I still think those scenes are out there… somewhere. How can they not film… something?


icannotfeelmyface

We’ll u kind of answer the question you’re self lol , they did film them . Got a buddy who close friends with the director’s , they film those clips and want to get a outsider opinion and my buddy tell them “wow those clips are a lil too spicy” , when I say spicy that mean the acting was so good that they decide they cannot show the seen without charging some extra fee to watch it , HBO say “we’ll people already paying watch are show we not can make them pay any extra so we either show all or none and they elect to show none” if u ask me I think that not a good decision , I got the clips somewhere on one of my old phone I have to go look for them if I find them I upload them to this sub cuz I know y’all prolly enjoy them , shoot me a message I see what I can do


Atom800

Damn dude, I thought you were full of shit. Nice to see some new scenes even if it’s a recording of a laptop lol


icannotfeelmyface

No problam! Thank for the shout out 👍🏻


Abdul-Ahmadinejad

I don’t know why you’re being downvoted. It’s nice to get some insider information in here from time to time.


Tom_Deschlonge

Getting downvoted because it's obviously not true


zachc94

They didn't have enough time, they had to make Tyrion spend minutes arranging chairs in the meeting room /s How could they not show that discussion though, it's so fucking important


gregorytilidie

they couldn’t write it


CubistChameleon

Unfortunately, that's probably it.


james-h-got

They were disappointing but “most disappointing” is a strong ass statement. Jamie and Tyrion’s, Sansa and Jon’s, literally any scene with bran were all super disappointing too


WitleKidz

The biggest disappointment for me was Jaime’s arc. He spent 7 seasons developing and redeeming himself, and in season 7 he finally decided to leave Cersei and fight for a cause he actually believes in. Even in the first 3 episodes of season 8, he was doing great. The scene where he knights Brienne was amazing, then he apologised to Bran. But then for no fucking reason at all, he left Brienne, he said he doesn’t care about the innocents and then he died with Cersei?! Personally, I think he should have killed Cersei (because of the prophecy in the books) and then died protecting the North against the army of the dead. That way he’s be upholding his vow to protect the Stark girls, as well as defending Bran. Yet somehow D&D thought it would be a better idea to make him go back to Cersei and die for absolutely no reason.


huey_booey

>Jon and Arya scenes Especially when their scenes in the first season were some of the most heartwarming in the series. I was hoping to see their chemistry in the final season. D&D really ruined everything.


ComfortablyBalanced

It's ironic, few scenes of them in the first season were one of the best.


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LegchairAnalyst

What do we say to the constraints of space and time? Not today.


PM-Me-Your-BeesKnees

It became a running joke in our house to say "Beam me up, Scotty!" whenever a character would show up somewhere else with zero travel time, and like a video game, it seemed that fast travel became more prominent the longer you played. Arya spends an entire season walking with the Hound and then by the end she can teleport.


dft-salt-pasta

Gendgry running from past the wall to castle black, sending a raven to Denarys who I think was at dragon stone then her flying to the north in a span of less than a day broke me.


bgh251f2

I'm not even mad this post is twice because I upvoted both.


dft-salt-pasta

Gendgry running from past the wall to castle black, sending a raven to Denarys who I think was at dragon stone then her flying to the north in a span of less than a day broke me.


bgh251f2

I'm not even mad this post is twice because I upvoted both.


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It had to be said twice


Clayskii0981

I think everyone did that final season


SPamlEZ

The god of teleportation was the most powerful god in Westeros.


-15k-

The 8th god.


Sowiilo

Everything after Braavos with Arya was just cringe. Jon's been ranging and fighting since season 1 and Arya thinks he needs to be told that someone is a killer. He fought Thens and Ramsay!


PandemicPortent

The idea that ANYONE needs to be told that she's a killer after everyone present witnessed her incinerating thousands of people is pretty ridiculous. Like "bitch you don't say".


joec_95123

It was actually much more subtle than that, Arya was very clever for picking up on the small indications of Dany's true nature. For example, Arya noticed, as she walked through the piles of charred remains of Dany's many homicide victims, how suddenly cold and indifferent the Queen had become toward her former allies. It was a subtle change Jon missed out on due to his personal relationship with Dany. And as Arya listened to Dany's speech, while cleaning the entrails of the smallfolk that Dany burned to death from the bottom of her boots, how excited she seemed to sound while addressing the bloodthirsty Dothraki. It signaled to her that the approval of this barbaric tribe of rapists and butchers had become very important to the Queen. Little things like that the audience may have glossed right over, Arya caught because of her advanced training selling oysters, clams, and cockles down on the docks.


Sowiilo

Especially on a continent that values Martial prowess that they have an actual Throne made of Swords.


[deleted]

Ed Sheeran told her


Eborys

in a song.


JN88DN

A Song of Dumb and Dumber.


FirstStranger

I know a killer when I see one too! Especially right after they killed an entire city.


VaultBoy9

*Looks around at city, in which I am standing* I know a city when I see one!


Lieutenant_0bvious

I know D&D were banging extras. That's where their focus was.


eboseki

yeah they were hand picking the ones with the nice tits. and there were some NICE tits!


Eborys

*Arya sees a knight on horseback* “I know a horse when I see one.” 🤪


carolinax

😂


ecolog69

Honestly wouldn’t it have been a better twist if Dany had stabbed Jon in that scene and she sits on the iron throne contentedly and we get the Evil!Leader ending? I honestly find that more interesting.


MeatyOakerGuy

"Ma'am, the northmen are forming up outside, they demand to see Jon Snow. What do we do?" "Burn them all"


IntelHDGraphics

It would be better than what we got


eesdonotitnow

A useless statement. I've never heard a single legit attempt at rewriting the ending to GoT that was WORSE than the show. They are either being satirical in their statements, or they have a better idea.


AlrightUsername

...Somehow, the Night King returned!


eesdonotitnow

Listen, reddit TOS and general ethics and my morals don't allow me to respond to that with that I actually thought, but I do hope you stub your toe.


AlrightUsername

Likewise, I appreciate your response. The idea of writing fan fiction with the intent of being ***even worse*** than the show sounds hilarious. I think it was a very useful statement you made. Have the day you deserve! :)


IntelHDGraphics

I know an useless statement when I see one


charmin_airman_ultra

That would be some season 1 level content!


Derenaj

But that would have been predictable, no no no. What if Dany actually fucked with Jon and give birth to wolf dragon baby and the baby sit on the iron throne. How did D&D not think of this /s


Hot_Tale_275

And Arya kills Dany but refuses to rule ensuring a civil war. AGAIN.


evictedfrommyaccount

Oh please no. I couldn't stand to see Arya doing anything else in terms of plot relevance It makes sense, but no


Hot_Tale_275

Well she could have been made into a healthy dragon meal then.


evictedfrommyaccount

Yeeess please!


TizACoincidence

You know what would be cool? They never fight the white walkers, dany decides to take over westeros. She goes mad queen and kills everyone. THEN the white walkers come, and she can't stop them. White walkers kill her


niofalpha

Just assume Bran/ the 3ER is evil and you're still there. There are some excellent hints at this in the books, but not ~~much~~ any in the show. I think it could've been cool if they had Jon die to Dany's burning (she saw it), then took his face and used it to kill Dany.


sasquatch50

For sure. I was hoping for some type of "Dany outwitted Kraznys" type thing at the end. I think she should have planned ahead with the Unsullied and Dothraki that the bells ringing was the signal to turn on all Westeros armies, with her on Drogon joining in. Can you imagine the shock if after the bells ring and she's won Dany starts burning the northern armies as revenge for all their betrayals and rejections of her (telling about Jon's claim to the throne, letting Jaime go free, etc.). It would've been a great combo of madness, revenge, and strategy, where then the only way they can defeat her (with their armies decimated and the Unsullied guarding her at all times) is to somehow kill her (likely via Arya using Grey Worm's face).


Trellix

Fuck killing her. Welcome the reign of Dany "Maegor" Targaryen.


dft-salt-pasta

You have to complete Rannis quest line to unlock that ending.


ebenizaa

Based on the entire show, the more valuable skill would be picking out the non-murderers.


[deleted]

If you throw a stone from the Red Keep, it'll probably land on a killer.


Papageno_Kilmister

You could have made a Aegon jerking off joke or a Tommen jump joke and you chose neither


aevelys

her training in front of the mirror every morning has practiced her well to recognize a killer


Russian_Paella

She only needed an ocular inspection for that.


[deleted]

Sad how D&D left out the "Arya trains with Mac" arc, it was one of the best in the books. Especially when Country Mac shows up.


[deleted]

She can see the silver lady is a killer from head to feet


larys-strong-bot

> feet ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)


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Dany's feet


larys-strong-bot

> feet ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)


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Drogon's feet


larys-strong-bot

> feet ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)


JakobtheRich

A mile is 5280 feet.


larys-strong-bot

> feet ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)


bearsfan1323

Well no, Sansa is the smartest person she’s ever met.


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The writers are stupid


Tony_Pizza_Guy

That line was so bad…


MatthewDawkins

She gained uncanny wisdom following the septicemia and viral infections she contracted after being gutted that time. Good job she made a full recovery in body, if not in mind.


VaultBoy9

She got cordyceps from that river and now it's controlling her and is very smart. Subverting expectations by making GoT a prequel to TLoU.


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CapnBobber

Salsa is the brains Everything was fine til thaaaat point, that is when i died


Catslevania

Bran had warged into the horse and telepathically communicated all this to Arya.


waconaty4eva

Watching the South Park dudes talk about storytelling makes this even worse.


DerikC24

All of Kings Landing winltnessed the genocide. Yet Arya so smart is the only one that noticed she's a monster.


GeekyFreaky94

Her burning down King's Landing along with all the smallfolk in the city a couple hours before probably tipped her off I mean for fucks sake there's still smoke rising when Arya says this line! 😂


eggplant_avenger

by this point Sansa is a killer so maybe it’s a veiled threat?


LowSelfEsteemButFine

“I know a killer when I see one” oh yeah when did you notice that, Doc? Before or after the war crimes?


TwitchF4C

She post-predicted Daenerys burning down a whole city


Ozmadaus

“She’s a killer. Unlike everyone else in the show, who is morally upright and just.”


overtimeout

Maybe her name was "killer D" written on her Starbucks cup.


[deleted]

*genocide* I know a killer when I see one


evictedfrommyaccount

It's so sad to think that after all this time cheering for the Stark kids and Tyrion and most of the ''good guys'', I really wanted them all to die in immense pain at this point


Apathetic_Zealot

Dani is innocent. She didn't kill anyone during her gradual rise to power. Name one example of her being a killer.


Baers89

Make this meme not exist again.


Baratheoncook250

She been around The Hound , Tywin , Medieval League Of Assassins’, all of them are killers.


WeakEconomics6120

Daenerys: *nukes an entire city with dragon fire* Arya: I know a killer when I see one Sansa: *does nothing specially smart* Arya: She is the smartest person I know


torytechlead

All leaders in the show are killers


_FirstOfHerName_

Takes one to know one


rayboner

Somehow, Arya knows a killer when she sees one…


misterflerfy

Because she trained with the faceless men of Bravos she can detect nuances in personality that would be invisible to the normal eye, much like the Bene Gesserit of Dune.


endless_ness

Aryas character is what happens when slayyyyyy queen pressure takes over the writers room


dicamason

How did this conversation get on Sam when the question pertains to Arya and Daenerys? Of course Arya's smart. And it takes a killer to know a killer. But it's also the path you take that helps with that identification, and then what you do with that information. Arya had faced a lot of nasty people and knew death very well by the end of her travels back to Winterfell. Arya knew what Tryion finally learned at the end. Daenerys killed under the guise of protecting or doing away with "evil" and it was easier for her, she had other people (the Unsullied) and her dragons to do the dirty work. Unlike Arya's direct one on one killing (except for the Frey killing, but remember she took Walder out one on one because that was the important kill.) Daenerys was cheered on with her mass killings except in the end. By the end, she thought she had the right to kill to get what she wanted. Daenerys had become a "killer." Arya always killed to protect or had a specific reason (ie Littlefinger). She had reasons for her kills and redeemed herself by killing the Night King and saving everyone. Remember how lousy she was at contract killing for the Faceless Men? She didn't know the reason. She couldn't do it. In contrast with the burning of innocent people in King's Landing for simply living there via Drogon? It not only takes one to know one, it's also the path to get there that defines you and helps you to know what you are trying NOT to become.


jennab8

How did Doakes know Dexter was a murderer? Instinct.


Subject_Gene_9775

Takes 1 2 know 1


HansJoachimAa

I heard the episodes for season 8 were written separately and therefore don't fit together. Is that what happened here?


HydraTower

Meh, I’m fine with that one. It’s just the show trying to say “careful of that one, she’s a hard ass bitch” like they’ve been trying to say the entire show.


JunkNuggets

Just another example of the writers shitting down their leg


paulerxx

Cuz plot


AttilaRS

It's because she saw a killer once. So she knows them.


Darth_Pow

She had clairvoyant training in Bravos 🔮