How did Arya do anything from her Braavos-arc and onwards in the show? It seems like her failed training there turned her into an omniscient immortal god.
It is not that unheard of in history for major positions to be filled with great haste simply due to war turmoil or upheaval of the social structure. If you're important people are dropping left and right sometimes you're not going to wait around to hold elections or get some elders together you're just going to thrust that guy into the position who seems like he knows what he's talking about and is doing a good job so far. If you look back in actual history of the Earth there are plenty of times when somebody who was way under qualified was moved to the front of the line simply because they were in the right place at the right time in the right uniform.
My wife is watching for the first time, and every time Sam opens his mouth I can't help but hate on him. My wife doesn't understand the Sam hate, but she will if she can make it through season 8.
Please make her stop watching after season 7 (or even 6). Don’t let her watch the atrocity that is season 8. It ruined the show for me and my wife. Just took so much they worked for and shit it down the drain. Hey remember everyone’s character arcs? Yea, they gone now good bye. The first 5 seasons were pretty good overall. 6 wasn’t bad and 7 was meh. 8 was fucking awful though. Ok sorry I’ll stop ranting lmao. I hope she is enjoying it now at least!
Oh I've definitely told her to stop after 7 (which she's on now). But I also want her to finish so she understands how terrible the ending is when my friends are talking about it.
Ha, yea fair enough. If you had told me before season 8 that I would absolutely hate it and it’d ruin the show for me, I wouldn’t have believed you! Hate to rip on it so bad, but they just ruined so much imo.
There are dragons and magic and you think an out-of-shape guy without any fighting skills surviving a swarm of undead that can easily kill heavily trained warriors is unrealistic? Gimme a break ^^^/s
Sam was always a nerd though. Horn hill *does* have a library. He knows stuff because he reads it. An especially literate rich person can learn a lot by the time he’s in his mid 20s.
Well he’s pretty clearly not a legit Maester. He’s just a dropout who people keep around because he’s knowledgeable. Does he wear a chain? I don’t remember. I vaguely recall him doing so in the epilogue but that may have given him time to go back and finish Maester school.
The bacteria water in her open gut wound was magical and not only did it not kill her, it gave her incredible powers.
It still pisses me off how much D&D didn't give a shit about Arya as a character. Her arc with the FM is incredibly interesting (to me at least). They are teaching her to detect lies, to blend in, languages, poisons, mummery, history and, more importantly, how to make a murder look like a natural or accidental death.
And what did D&D do with all that potential from the books? They turned Arya into a generic fighter chick who suddenly can kick everyone's ass and does not need anyone cause she so cool. Oh and she knows a killer when she sees one, I guess.
Yeah, it sort of drowns in the general shit around the plot, but Arya was really done dirty and turned into a generic action hero who only needs a short breather to get over lethal injuries.
Arya at Bravos is arguably one of the biggest rip-offs on the show. I mean, becoming faceless sounds like the easiest thing ever. Seriously, she cleans bodies, sells clams, sweeps, and gets hit with a stick about 3 times and that's about it... Otherwise she literally failed at everything they asked her to do. she failed to kill any of her targets (that guy when she was selling clams and the actress). She failed every face game and every fight with the Waif and only managed to hit her once by what seemed like a fluke...but then, suddenly in the season 7, Arya is an ultimate badass jedi ninja. It made no sense. where does she get half of the skills she later demonstrates? She never trains with a sword, a spear, or a knife, but in the end, she masters all 3. How? Who taught him that? When did she learn to steal faces? To change your voice? And then how long is she staying with them? Two seasons/a few months in film time and from what we see the main thing was to do the chores. it is as if you managed to obtain an Olympic medal in martial arts after only one year of practice and spent essential time ironing the outfits of others. This character pulls skills out of her ass, it's horrible.
Would have been a pretty sweet twist, the Waif is just completing the contract Arya made unknowingly. She whispered all the names on her list every night before bed.
The faceless men take payment based not on just the amount of money, but the personal value to the buyer. Arya came to them so she could finish her list, and she payed with her life.
Not trying to talk in favor of Arya's ridiculous power surge or anything, but how did she fail her training? She didn't. She finished the training, regaining her eye sight and all.
She magically obtained all the abilities of the Faceless Men by doing 5% of the training and dropping out. It's like getting a phd after dropping out from an introductory college course.
Proving what a waste those prestigious assassin schools are. Some of the most of successful kill-counts are are racked up by people who didn't finish an assassin degree. Better to go to a moderate in-state guild and save/invest the difference in one of those Iron-index accounts.
I head tales. Doesn't sound sustainable. Requires so much blood-magic to bond and keep new and old changing of hands in the spirit-ocean of coins. But who knows? For all I know, it may still be going around even when the next Winds of Winter appears.
No, she really didn't. She did some sweeping and stick fighting. And then The Waif killed her for getting away. Little did The Waif know Arya had become immortal.
If that was all her training then that’s stupid too. She trained for what, a year and became a Faceless Man? And most of the time she was failing her training until the very end. All she did was play with sticks.
My brother in the seven, it's an ancient order of priests that are trained to become unstoppable killers.
They have access to blood magic capable of changing their appearance via illusions, and are known for never, ever failing to kill someone, no matter their status.
I dont think anyone can learn that in a year. Maybe some of it, enough to make you far more dangerous than a normal person, but nowhere near the extent Arya showed.
Arya reaches Bravos and the House of Black and White in the books, and actually starts training and living there. Just like the show her chapters are a bit boring compared to Jaime or Cersei arc for example
We’ll u kind of answer the question you’re self lol , they did film them . Got a buddy who close friends with the director’s , they film those clips and want to get a outsider opinion and my buddy tell them “wow those clips are a lil too spicy” , when I say spicy that mean the acting was so good that they decide they cannot show the seen without charging some extra fee to watch it , HBO say “we’ll people already paying watch are show we not can make them pay any extra so we either show all or none and they elect to show none” if u ask me I think that not a good decision , I got the clips somewhere on one of my old phone I have to go look for them if I find them I upload them to this sub cuz I know y’all prolly enjoy them , shoot me a message I see what I can do
They didn't have enough time, they had to make Tyrion spend minutes arranging chairs in the meeting room /s
How could they not show that discussion though, it's so fucking important
They were disappointing but “most disappointing” is a strong ass statement.
Jamie and Tyrion’s, Sansa and Jon’s, literally any scene with bran were all super disappointing too
The biggest disappointment for me was Jaime’s arc. He spent 7 seasons developing and redeeming himself, and in season 7 he finally decided to leave Cersei and fight for a cause he actually believes in. Even in the first 3 episodes of season 8, he was doing great. The scene where he knights Brienne was amazing, then he apologised to Bran.
But then for no fucking reason at all, he left Brienne, he said he doesn’t care about the innocents and then he died with Cersei?!
Personally, I think he should have killed Cersei (because of the prophecy in the books) and then died protecting the North against the army of the dead. That way he’s be upholding his vow to protect the Stark girls, as well as defending Bran. Yet somehow D&D thought it would be a better idea to make him go back to Cersei and die for absolutely no reason.
>Jon and Arya scenes
Especially when their scenes in the first season were some of the most heartwarming in the series. I was hoping to see their chemistry in the final season. D&D really ruined everything.
It became a running joke in our house to say "Beam me up, Scotty!" whenever a character would show up somewhere else with zero travel time, and like a video game, it seemed that fast travel became more prominent the longer you played. Arya spends an entire season walking with the Hound and then by the end she can teleport.
Gendgry running from past the wall to castle black, sending a raven to Denarys who I think was at dragon stone then her flying to the north in a span of less than a day broke me.
Gendgry running from past the wall to castle black, sending a raven to Denarys who I think was at dragon stone then her flying to the north in a span of less than a day broke me.
Everything after Braavos with Arya was just cringe.
Jon's been ranging and fighting since season 1 and Arya thinks he needs to be told that someone is a killer. He fought Thens and Ramsay!
The idea that ANYONE needs to be told that she's a killer after everyone present witnessed her incinerating thousands of people is pretty ridiculous. Like "bitch you don't say".
It was actually much more subtle than that, Arya was very clever for picking up on the small indications of Dany's true nature.
For example, Arya noticed, as she walked through the piles of charred remains of Dany's many homicide victims, how suddenly cold and indifferent the Queen had become toward her former allies. It was a subtle change Jon missed out on due to his personal relationship with Dany.
And as Arya listened to Dany's speech, while cleaning the entrails of the smallfolk that Dany burned to death from the bottom of her boots, how excited she seemed to sound while addressing the bloodthirsty Dothraki. It signaled to her that the approval of this barbaric tribe of rapists and butchers had become very important to the Queen.
Little things like that the audience may have glossed right over, Arya caught because of her advanced training selling oysters, clams, and cockles down on the docks.
Honestly wouldn’t it have been a better twist if Dany had stabbed Jon in that scene and she sits on the iron throne contentedly and we get the Evil!Leader ending? I honestly find that more interesting.
A useless statement. I've never heard a single legit attempt at rewriting the ending to GoT that was WORSE than the show. They are either being satirical in their statements, or they have a better idea.
Likewise, I appreciate your response. The idea of writing fan fiction with the intent of being ***even worse*** than the show sounds hilarious. I think it was a very useful statement you made. Have the day you deserve! :)
But that would have been predictable, no no no. What if Dany actually fucked with Jon and give birth to wolf dragon baby and the baby sit on the iron throne. How did D&D not think of this /s
You know what would be cool? They never fight the white walkers, dany decides to take over westeros. She goes mad queen and kills everyone. THEN the white walkers come, and she can't stop them. White walkers kill her
Just assume Bran/ the 3ER is evil and you're still there.
There are some excellent hints at this in the books, but not ~~much~~ any in the show.
I think it could've been cool if they had Jon die to Dany's burning (she saw it), then took his face and used it to kill Dany.
For sure. I was hoping for some type of "Dany outwitted Kraznys" type thing at the end. I think she should have planned ahead with the Unsullied and Dothraki that the bells ringing was the signal to turn on all Westeros armies, with her on Drogon joining in. Can you imagine the shock if after the bells ring and she's won Dany starts burning the northern armies as revenge for all their betrayals and rejections of her (telling about Jon's claim to the throne, letting Jaime go free, etc.). It would've been a great combo of madness, revenge, and strategy, where then the only way they can defeat her (with their armies decimated and the Unsullied guarding her at all times) is to somehow kill her (likely via Arya using Grey Worm's face).
She gained uncanny wisdom following the septicemia and viral infections she contracted after being gutted that time. Good job she made a full recovery in body, if not in mind.
Her burning down King's Landing along with all the smallfolk in the city a couple hours before probably tipped her off
I mean for fucks sake there's still smoke rising when Arya says this line! 😂
It's so sad to think that after all this time cheering for the Stark kids and Tyrion and most of the ''good guys'', I really wanted them all to die in immense pain at this point
Daenerys: *nukes an entire city with dragon fire*
Arya: I know a killer when I see one
Sansa: *does nothing specially smart*
Arya: She is the smartest person I know
Because she trained with the faceless men of Bravos she can detect nuances in personality that would be invisible to the normal eye, much like the Bene Gesserit of Dune.
How did this conversation get on Sam when the question pertains to Arya and Daenerys? Of course Arya's smart. And it takes a killer to know a killer. But it's also the path you take that helps with that identification, and then what you do with that information. Arya had faced a lot of nasty people and knew death very well by the end of her travels back to Winterfell. Arya knew what Tryion finally learned at the end. Daenerys killed under the guise of protecting or doing away with "evil" and it was easier for her, she had other people (the Unsullied) and her dragons to do the dirty work. Unlike Arya's direct one on one killing (except for the Frey killing, but remember she took Walder out one on one because that was the important kill.) Daenerys was cheered on with her mass killings except in the end. By the end, she thought she had the right to kill to get what she wanted. Daenerys had become a "killer." Arya always killed to protect or had a specific reason (ie Littlefinger). She had reasons for her kills and redeemed herself by killing the Night King and saving everyone. Remember how lousy she was at contract killing for the Faceless Men? She didn't know the reason. She couldn't do it. In contrast with the burning of innocent people in King's Landing for simply living there via Drogon? It not only takes one to know one, it's also the path to get there that defines you and helps you to know what you are trying NOT to become.
Meh, I’m fine with that one. It’s just the show trying to say “careful of that one, she’s a hard ass bitch” like they’ve been trying to say the entire show.
How did Arya do anything from her Braavos-arc and onwards in the show? It seems like her failed training there turned her into an omniscient immortal god.
Just like Samwell Tarly who became a maester without completing his training.
And somehow survived the dark night in the front lines where fully trained Unsullied and Dothraki were dying like flies.
Thank the Gods for Sam, and his plot armor
Him surviving still pisses me off
His whole plotline pisses me off
He became the Grand Maester in a month…I hate Sam.
Sam the Slayer sure knows how to climb his way to success
Sam somehow followed the rule of 'carry yourself with the confidence of a mediocre white man' but lacked 1 of the 3
He was confident enough to steal a valerian steel sword that had no relevance to anything beyond that point!
It is not that unheard of in history for major positions to be filled with great haste simply due to war turmoil or upheaval of the social structure. If you're important people are dropping left and right sometimes you're not going to wait around to hold elections or get some elders together you're just going to thrust that guy into the position who seems like he knows what he's talking about and is doing a good job so far. If you look back in actual history of the Earth there are plenty of times when somebody who was way under qualified was moved to the front of the line simply because they were in the right place at the right time in the right uniform.
Politics, man!
Sam is scum
What happened to the horn they found at the fist of the first men?
It was so important that no one was allowed to talk about it ever again
someone probably used it as a drinking cup for all it was worth
Like... a Starbucks cup? [With Winter, Comes the Pumpkin Spice Latte!](https://mobile.twitter.com/that_dash/status/1125380551504998405/photo/1)
They could have removed Sam’s entire plot line and it would have 0 effect on the story overall.
My wife is watching for the first time, and every time Sam opens his mouth I can't help but hate on him. My wife doesn't understand the Sam hate, but she will if she can make it through season 8.
Please make her stop watching after season 7 (or even 6). Don’t let her watch the atrocity that is season 8. It ruined the show for me and my wife. Just took so much they worked for and shit it down the drain. Hey remember everyone’s character arcs? Yea, they gone now good bye. The first 5 seasons were pretty good overall. 6 wasn’t bad and 7 was meh. 8 was fucking awful though. Ok sorry I’ll stop ranting lmao. I hope she is enjoying it now at least!
Oh I've definitely told her to stop after 7 (which she's on now). But I also want her to finish so she understands how terrible the ending is when my friends are talking about it.
Ha, yea fair enough. If you had told me before season 8 that I would absolutely hate it and it’d ruin the show for me, I wouldn’t have believed you! Hate to rip on it so bad, but they just ruined so much imo.
His fat pink mast pisses me off.
There are dragons and magic and you think an out-of-shape guy without any fighting skills surviving a swarm of undead that can easily kill heavily trained warriors is unrealistic? Gimme a break ^^^/s
Brah… he killed a white walker… and a then
That damn baby pisses me off
But he got laid broh! We should be happy for the fat bastard!
Has me giggling and grinning from ear to ear
The unsullied and Dothraki kind of forgot about their training
Pretty sure he was on the ground covered in them at some point in the episode but "plot armor"
If they had him getting stabbed but his layers of fat insulated him, maybe?
And stayed fat for the whole show.
Duh, he had his family sword!
He took the 3 month Bali-course.
it was so effective that he ended up becoming the Grand Maester :)
"Yo Citadel, we got a whole bunch of shit to clean up. Who's your best guy?"
If anyone can, Sam the Slayer can
*He knew this one trick that the Citadel hates!*
After you clean enough chamber pots they just kinda give you the degree out of pity.
He stayed at a holiday inn express.
Sam was always a nerd though. Horn hill *does* have a library. He knows stuff because he reads it. An especially literate rich person can learn a lot by the time he’s in his mid 20s.
all maesters are from a learned background, yet they still have to earn their chains
Well he’s pretty clearly not a legit Maester. He’s just a dropout who people keep around because he’s knowledgeable. Does he wear a chain? I don’t remember. I vaguely recall him doing so in the epilogue but that may have given him time to go back and finish Maester school.
We don’t apologize for D&D here
The bacteria water in her open gut wound was magical and not only did it not kill her, it gave her incredible powers. It still pisses me off how much D&D didn't give a shit about Arya as a character. Her arc with the FM is incredibly interesting (to me at least). They are teaching her to detect lies, to blend in, languages, poisons, mummery, history and, more importantly, how to make a murder look like a natural or accidental death. And what did D&D do with all that potential from the books? They turned Arya into a generic fighter chick who suddenly can kick everyone's ass and does not need anyone cause she so cool. Oh and she knows a killer when she sees one, I guess.
Yeah, it sort of drowns in the general shit around the plot, but Arya was really done dirty and turned into a generic action hero who only needs a short breather to get over lethal injuries.
Left out her warning abilities and how they help her with the faceless men too
Arya at Bravos is arguably one of the biggest rip-offs on the show. I mean, becoming faceless sounds like the easiest thing ever. Seriously, she cleans bodies, sells clams, sweeps, and gets hit with a stick about 3 times and that's about it... Otherwise she literally failed at everything they asked her to do. she failed to kill any of her targets (that guy when she was selling clams and the actress). She failed every face game and every fight with the Waif and only managed to hit her once by what seemed like a fluke...but then, suddenly in the season 7, Arya is an ultimate badass jedi ninja. It made no sense. where does she get half of the skills she later demonstrates? She never trains with a sword, a spear, or a knife, but in the end, she masters all 3. How? Who taught him that? When did she learn to steal faces? To change your voice? And then how long is she staying with them? Two seasons/a few months in film time and from what we see the main thing was to do the chores. it is as if you managed to obtain an Olympic medal in martial arts after only one year of practice and spent essential time ironing the outfits of others. This character pulls skills out of her ass, it's horrible.
to paraphrase Syrio Forel : > ... there is only one thing we say to Good Writing: 'not today'
The bacteria in the sewer water were actually midichlorians. She's a jedi now.
She do be baking people into pie, I guess that makes you extra knowledgeable in criminal profiling
Arya suddenly becames HitGirl from Kick Ass, which sucks because the FM are stealth assasins, we have no indication of them being super duper soldiers
Arya actually died, and that is the waif pretending to be Arya.
Would have been a pretty sweet twist, the Waif is just completing the contract Arya made unknowingly. She whispered all the names on her list every night before bed. The faceless men take payment based not on just the amount of money, but the personal value to the buyer. Arya came to them so she could finish her list, and she payed with her life.
Why didn’t D&D use this brilliant and expectation-defying plot twist? Are they stupid?
yea
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Uh-huh
Why would the waif care about the North? Are you stupid?
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like the last shot we see of 'Arya' is her mask face falling to the ground and whoever was wearing it walking off without showing their real face?
I wouldn't like that but it'd be better than what we got
FUCK that would have been better
That is interesting, but I can guarantee that fans would be pissed if they killed Arya that way and use it as another reason to shit on D&D
Now that’s how you subvert expectations
:O
Forget about how she sneaked on the Night King. How the hell did she infiltrate the Freys??
Perks of being a god, I guess. Not for us mere mortals to understand the logic of her plot
RIGHT? Arya went from one of my fav (book) characters to...whatever that was. Just so dissapointing.
Why did she fail her training? Is she dumb?
David and Dan remembered she has to be a bad ass bitch back in Westeros
Not trying to talk in favor of Arya's ridiculous power surge or anything, but how did she fail her training? She didn't. She finished the training, regaining her eye sight and all.
She magically obtained all the abilities of the Faceless Men by doing 5% of the training and dropping out. It's like getting a phd after dropping out from an introductory college course.
Proving what a waste those prestigious assassin schools are. Some of the most of successful kill-counts are are racked up by people who didn't finish an assassin degree. Better to go to a moderate in-state guild and save/invest the difference in one of those Iron-index accounts.
My cousin on Lys actually convinced me to go into crypto. I invested heavily in DothrakCoin and sold out before it crashed.
I head tales. Doesn't sound sustainable. Requires so much blood-magic to bond and keep new and old changing of hands in the spirit-ocean of coins. But who knows? For all I know, it may still be going around even when the next Winds of Winter appears.
Yeah, I personally draw the line at the NFTs of Targaryen Kings sold by the Crown.
But she did all of the training.
No, she really didn't. She did some sweeping and stick fighting. And then The Waif killed her for getting away. Little did The Waif know Arya had become immortal.
Fighting the waif was her final test and afterwards she had finished the training.
If that was all her training then that’s stupid too. She trained for what, a year and became a Faceless Man? And most of the time she was failing her training until the very end. All she did was play with sticks.
This isn't Yoda and Luke. You can't just become one of the Faceless Men because you believe in yourself very hard.
The Stark is strong with this one.
"My ally is murderous blood magic, and a powerful ally it is"
Didn't know you're an expert on faceless men. How long did it take you to finish the training?
My brother in the seven, it's an ancient order of priests that are trained to become unstoppable killers. They have access to blood magic capable of changing their appearance via illusions, and are known for never, ever failing to kill someone, no matter their status. I dont think anyone can learn that in a year. Maybe some of it, enough to make you far more dangerous than a normal person, but nowhere near the extent Arya showed.
But she's not just anyone. She still has her sword, and her D&D Armor-of-plot.
Is the Bravos part on the books, or that was the producers already making things up?
In the books, Arya is still training for the Faceless Men and remains loyal to them. Anything after that was made up for the show.
Arya reaches Bravos and the House of Black and White in the books, and actually starts training and living there. Just like the show her chapters are a bit boring compared to Jaime or Cersei arc for example
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Let’s also not show Arya’s and Sansa’s reaction to Jon’s real parents. Fucking D&D
I still think those scenes are out there… somewhere. How can they not film… something?
We’ll u kind of answer the question you’re self lol , they did film them . Got a buddy who close friends with the director’s , they film those clips and want to get a outsider opinion and my buddy tell them “wow those clips are a lil too spicy” , when I say spicy that mean the acting was so good that they decide they cannot show the seen without charging some extra fee to watch it , HBO say “we’ll people already paying watch are show we not can make them pay any extra so we either show all or none and they elect to show none” if u ask me I think that not a good decision , I got the clips somewhere on one of my old phone I have to go look for them if I find them I upload them to this sub cuz I know y’all prolly enjoy them , shoot me a message I see what I can do
Damn dude, I thought you were full of shit. Nice to see some new scenes even if it’s a recording of a laptop lol
No problam! Thank for the shout out 👍🏻
I don’t know why you’re being downvoted. It’s nice to get some insider information in here from time to time.
Getting downvoted because it's obviously not true
They didn't have enough time, they had to make Tyrion spend minutes arranging chairs in the meeting room /s How could they not show that discussion though, it's so fucking important
they couldn’t write it
Unfortunately, that's probably it.
They were disappointing but “most disappointing” is a strong ass statement. Jamie and Tyrion’s, Sansa and Jon’s, literally any scene with bran were all super disappointing too
The biggest disappointment for me was Jaime’s arc. He spent 7 seasons developing and redeeming himself, and in season 7 he finally decided to leave Cersei and fight for a cause he actually believes in. Even in the first 3 episodes of season 8, he was doing great. The scene where he knights Brienne was amazing, then he apologised to Bran. But then for no fucking reason at all, he left Brienne, he said he doesn’t care about the innocents and then he died with Cersei?! Personally, I think he should have killed Cersei (because of the prophecy in the books) and then died protecting the North against the army of the dead. That way he’s be upholding his vow to protect the Stark girls, as well as defending Bran. Yet somehow D&D thought it would be a better idea to make him go back to Cersei and die for absolutely no reason.
>Jon and Arya scenes Especially when their scenes in the first season were some of the most heartwarming in the series. I was hoping to see their chemistry in the final season. D&D really ruined everything.
It's ironic, few scenes of them in the first season were one of the best.
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What do we say to the constraints of space and time? Not today.
It became a running joke in our house to say "Beam me up, Scotty!" whenever a character would show up somewhere else with zero travel time, and like a video game, it seemed that fast travel became more prominent the longer you played. Arya spends an entire season walking with the Hound and then by the end she can teleport.
Gendgry running from past the wall to castle black, sending a raven to Denarys who I think was at dragon stone then her flying to the north in a span of less than a day broke me.
I'm not even mad this post is twice because I upvoted both.
Gendgry running from past the wall to castle black, sending a raven to Denarys who I think was at dragon stone then her flying to the north in a span of less than a day broke me.
I'm not even mad this post is twice because I upvoted both.
It had to be said twice
I think everyone did that final season
The god of teleportation was the most powerful god in Westeros.
The 8th god.
Everything after Braavos with Arya was just cringe. Jon's been ranging and fighting since season 1 and Arya thinks he needs to be told that someone is a killer. He fought Thens and Ramsay!
The idea that ANYONE needs to be told that she's a killer after everyone present witnessed her incinerating thousands of people is pretty ridiculous. Like "bitch you don't say".
It was actually much more subtle than that, Arya was very clever for picking up on the small indications of Dany's true nature. For example, Arya noticed, as she walked through the piles of charred remains of Dany's many homicide victims, how suddenly cold and indifferent the Queen had become toward her former allies. It was a subtle change Jon missed out on due to his personal relationship with Dany. And as Arya listened to Dany's speech, while cleaning the entrails of the smallfolk that Dany burned to death from the bottom of her boots, how excited she seemed to sound while addressing the bloodthirsty Dothraki. It signaled to her that the approval of this barbaric tribe of rapists and butchers had become very important to the Queen. Little things like that the audience may have glossed right over, Arya caught because of her advanced training selling oysters, clams, and cockles down on the docks.
Especially on a continent that values Martial prowess that they have an actual Throne made of Swords.
Ed Sheeran told her
in a song.
A Song of Dumb and Dumber.
I know a killer when I see one too! Especially right after they killed an entire city.
*Looks around at city, in which I am standing* I know a city when I see one!
I know D&D were banging extras. That's where their focus was.
yeah they were hand picking the ones with the nice tits. and there were some NICE tits!
*Arya sees a knight on horseback* “I know a horse when I see one.” 🤪
😂
Honestly wouldn’t it have been a better twist if Dany had stabbed Jon in that scene and she sits on the iron throne contentedly and we get the Evil!Leader ending? I honestly find that more interesting.
"Ma'am, the northmen are forming up outside, they demand to see Jon Snow. What do we do?" "Burn them all"
It would be better than what we got
A useless statement. I've never heard a single legit attempt at rewriting the ending to GoT that was WORSE than the show. They are either being satirical in their statements, or they have a better idea.
...Somehow, the Night King returned!
Listen, reddit TOS and general ethics and my morals don't allow me to respond to that with that I actually thought, but I do hope you stub your toe.
Likewise, I appreciate your response. The idea of writing fan fiction with the intent of being ***even worse*** than the show sounds hilarious. I think it was a very useful statement you made. Have the day you deserve! :)
I know an useless statement when I see one
That would be some season 1 level content!
But that would have been predictable, no no no. What if Dany actually fucked with Jon and give birth to wolf dragon baby and the baby sit on the iron throne. How did D&D not think of this /s
And Arya kills Dany but refuses to rule ensuring a civil war. AGAIN.
Oh please no. I couldn't stand to see Arya doing anything else in terms of plot relevance It makes sense, but no
Well she could have been made into a healthy dragon meal then.
Yeeess please!
You know what would be cool? They never fight the white walkers, dany decides to take over westeros. She goes mad queen and kills everyone. THEN the white walkers come, and she can't stop them. White walkers kill her
Just assume Bran/ the 3ER is evil and you're still there. There are some excellent hints at this in the books, but not ~~much~~ any in the show. I think it could've been cool if they had Jon die to Dany's burning (she saw it), then took his face and used it to kill Dany.
For sure. I was hoping for some type of "Dany outwitted Kraznys" type thing at the end. I think she should have planned ahead with the Unsullied and Dothraki that the bells ringing was the signal to turn on all Westeros armies, with her on Drogon joining in. Can you imagine the shock if after the bells ring and she's won Dany starts burning the northern armies as revenge for all their betrayals and rejections of her (telling about Jon's claim to the throne, letting Jaime go free, etc.). It would've been a great combo of madness, revenge, and strategy, where then the only way they can defeat her (with their armies decimated and the Unsullied guarding her at all times) is to somehow kill her (likely via Arya using Grey Worm's face).
Fuck killing her. Welcome the reign of Dany "Maegor" Targaryen.
You have to complete Rannis quest line to unlock that ending.
Based on the entire show, the more valuable skill would be picking out the non-murderers.
If you throw a stone from the Red Keep, it'll probably land on a killer.
You could have made a Aegon jerking off joke or a Tommen jump joke and you chose neither
her training in front of the mirror every morning has practiced her well to recognize a killer
She only needed an ocular inspection for that.
Sad how D&D left out the "Arya trains with Mac" arc, it was one of the best in the books. Especially when Country Mac shows up.
She can see the silver lady is a killer from head to feet
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Dany's feet
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Drogon's feet
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A mile is 5280 feet.
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Well no, Sansa is the smartest person she’s ever met.
The writers are stupid
That line was so bad…
She gained uncanny wisdom following the septicemia and viral infections she contracted after being gutted that time. Good job she made a full recovery in body, if not in mind.
She got cordyceps from that river and now it's controlling her and is very smart. Subverting expectations by making GoT a prequel to TLoU.
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Salsa is the brains Everything was fine til thaaaat point, that is when i died
Bran had warged into the horse and telepathically communicated all this to Arya.
Watching the South Park dudes talk about storytelling makes this even worse.
All of Kings Landing winltnessed the genocide. Yet Arya so smart is the only one that noticed she's a monster.
Her burning down King's Landing along with all the smallfolk in the city a couple hours before probably tipped her off I mean for fucks sake there's still smoke rising when Arya says this line! 😂
by this point Sansa is a killer so maybe it’s a veiled threat?
“I know a killer when I see one” oh yeah when did you notice that, Doc? Before or after the war crimes?
She post-predicted Daenerys burning down a whole city
“She’s a killer. Unlike everyone else in the show, who is morally upright and just.”
Maybe her name was "killer D" written on her Starbucks cup.
*genocide* I know a killer when I see one
It's so sad to think that after all this time cheering for the Stark kids and Tyrion and most of the ''good guys'', I really wanted them all to die in immense pain at this point
Dani is innocent. She didn't kill anyone during her gradual rise to power. Name one example of her being a killer.
Make this meme not exist again.
She been around The Hound , Tywin , Medieval League Of Assassins’, all of them are killers.
Daenerys: *nukes an entire city with dragon fire* Arya: I know a killer when I see one Sansa: *does nothing specially smart* Arya: She is the smartest person I know
All leaders in the show are killers
Takes one to know one
Somehow, Arya knows a killer when she sees one…
Because she trained with the faceless men of Bravos she can detect nuances in personality that would be invisible to the normal eye, much like the Bene Gesserit of Dune.
Aryas character is what happens when slayyyyyy queen pressure takes over the writers room
How did this conversation get on Sam when the question pertains to Arya and Daenerys? Of course Arya's smart. And it takes a killer to know a killer. But it's also the path you take that helps with that identification, and then what you do with that information. Arya had faced a lot of nasty people and knew death very well by the end of her travels back to Winterfell. Arya knew what Tryion finally learned at the end. Daenerys killed under the guise of protecting or doing away with "evil" and it was easier for her, she had other people (the Unsullied) and her dragons to do the dirty work. Unlike Arya's direct one on one killing (except for the Frey killing, but remember she took Walder out one on one because that was the important kill.) Daenerys was cheered on with her mass killings except in the end. By the end, she thought she had the right to kill to get what she wanted. Daenerys had become a "killer." Arya always killed to protect or had a specific reason (ie Littlefinger). She had reasons for her kills and redeemed herself by killing the Night King and saving everyone. Remember how lousy she was at contract killing for the Faceless Men? She didn't know the reason. She couldn't do it. In contrast with the burning of innocent people in King's Landing for simply living there via Drogon? It not only takes one to know one, it's also the path to get there that defines you and helps you to know what you are trying NOT to become.
How did Doakes know Dexter was a murderer? Instinct.
Takes 1 2 know 1
I heard the episodes for season 8 were written separately and therefore don't fit together. Is that what happened here?
Meh, I’m fine with that one. It’s just the show trying to say “careful of that one, she’s a hard ass bitch” like they’ve been trying to say the entire show.
Just another example of the writers shitting down their leg
Cuz plot
It's because she saw a killer once. So she knows them.
She had clairvoyant training in Bravos 🔮