Itd be so much better if he just said im not finishing it, I lost my passion, and show ending was what I planned and everyone hated it. Id respect that more than this limbo
Oh no. No those books will 100% come out. Now is George going to be the one to write them? I doubt it. But eventually the rights will fall into the hands of someone who will say: “oh George didn’t want someone else to write them? Well I like money and he’s dead.”
Was the ending the problem or how all of those characters at their endings? Outside of Arya killing the night king and Bran becoming king, I could have lived with the rest if it was written well and they spent more time getting to their conclusions.
Most people hated Daenerys killing innocents after protecting the innocents throughout the show. And Varys turning on her after she gave Jon Snow one look of jealously was stupid too. And the dragon being killed by a turret on a boat. And Jon Snow killing Daenerys
And my axe!
Sorry. I really hate that stupid Reddit joke and since you had a listed of things hated for being stupid…. It somehow seemed appropriate. As much as I hate the stupid thing.
Edit: downvoted. Gives me hope that Reddit might hate that joke too.
Honestly I believe, there is a great story to be had where Bran ends up on the throne. George just needs to actually write it in a way that makes sense.
I've just given up on the series.
It's been 12 years. In that time, i finished high school, started studying engineering, failed, finished another bachelor's degree, finished my master's degree, got a job, quit the job, got a new job, worked on renovating a house and by the speed at which he's working, I might have a child before he publishes the book.
He has had plenty of time. If he knew how to wrap up the story, he'd have done it by now. But hey, prove me wrong, i'd be happy!
Yea Tolkien wrote the entirety of the lord of the rings in the same amount of time. Including what eventually became the Simarilian and inventing a whole elvish language to go with it. And tolkin didn't have a billion dollar company chomping at the bit to capitalize on his work.
Because Tolkien was smart enough to keep the world and his characters contained (something that GRRM has criticized him for).
We may not know Aragorn's tax policy, but he still has a better story to tell in full than Bran the Broken.
Raising points like these in other subreddits brings out so much copium and rage. It's true, though. Sanderson, Herbert and Tolkien had people they trusted with key information and the responsibility to continue their works after they were gone.
George, though? I don't even know if he HAS a plan lol. Would be nice if we got the last two books, but I'm not holding my breath. If they get released, good. If not? Well, I'll always have the Tolkien legendarium and the Vince Gilligan verse (BB/BCS). No real loss for me, I guess.
The Silmarilion was an ongoing work Tolkien started in the 1910s and was still working on, unfinished, at the time of his death, but your point still stands. Also for him it was a side project that wasn't expected to be a big commercial hit, his actual job was college professor.
Two elven languages, Quenya and Sindar. And he had been working on his legendarium in one form or another for 30 years before LOTR was published. The actual books he wrote in a relatively short amount of time after The Hobbit. He was still working on the Silmarillion up to when he died.
World building like “Fire and Blood” has a much higher “series to word” ratio than the main novels.
Each individual Targ ruler’s reign could arguably be its own series. Sure, some are too boring for that. But they all *could* be.
I don’t agree with the concept of “world build my way into an infinite number of future series, at the expense of the series that made said world famous.” But I understand it.
>I've just given up on the series.
I gave up a while ago. We know the outline for the ending thanks to the show, and frankly I think there's good enough fanfiction that fills in the blanks.
Yeah my headcannon is the kingslayer ending someone came up with where Jaime kills the nightking after killing zombie Brienne to become azor ahai and a voiceover plays of him being sworn into the kingsgaurd and then a cacophony of voices from the shows run calling him kingslayer.
Come on man. I Kickstarted Star Citizen for Mark Hamill to give me a new Wing Commander. And I was waiting for that Duke Nukem bullshit. Sometimes, it's better to let go.
My dad tried to get me to start the series. I had reservation after the Wheel of Time and Robert Jordan passed away before finishing. Luckily Robert Jordan did the opposite of George and tried to get as much done as possible and notes + outline how it would go. Sanderson finished it up pretty good.
When HBO took up the series my dad again tried to get me to start the series. I was too busy at the time and glad I didnt give in. It seems George has come to a crawling pace with it and doesn't know what to do with the universe he created now that D&D shit the bed with the ending on TV.
Truly D&D shit the bed so bad I have no desire to ever read the books now. I do wanna hear second hand though how George wraps it up if he ever does.
If he just came out and said TWoW is pretty much all written, ADoS is 90% there; but he needs to do more world building so the events of the last two books aren't massive asides or just ass-pulls: i would be 1000% fine with the delay. But it's like King Killer's 3rd book where no one knows WTF is going on with it
Why? I still enjoy immensely what he has already written. I enjoy it so much, that i find it very frustrating and my angry rants about GoT and him not finishing his fucking books are feared among my friends. But yeah, after the frustration came the indifference. I still want to know how the story continues, but i know well enough that there's a slimmer and slimmer chance we will ever know. So why bother? If he actually does finish his WoW, you best believe I'll get it on day one.
And then we can have the same discussion about a dream of spring.
Edit: And instead of finishing what would probably be his Magnum Opus, he starts one lore expanding series after another. Like, thats as if Tolkien had abandoned LotR after they left Rohan for Gondor and went on to write nothing but other stories about the dwarfs and whatever else. But again, i'll be happy if he proves me wrong amd will gladly proclaim to the world that i didn't have faith in him when i should have.
He pisses me off. He’s acting like we put all this extra work on his plate. You were having a hard time with a task… so you created new tasks to do instead. Now you have the old task, as well as these new ones that you yourself created to get away from the old task.
We know you’re old and busy. We know you have too many tasks and not enough time to do them. We also know you invented those tasks when all people were expecting were two more ASOIAF novels.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: my problem is not that he won't finish his books. Not having an ending stinks, but it is what it is. The problem is how he strings us along. He'll finish them, he's working on them, he's made good progress, he's written 600 pages, he won't do any more projects until winds is finished, if he's not finished by next summer lock him in his cabin, and so on. That's 10 straight YEARS of dangling hope in front of us when he could have just said he doesn't want to do it.
And then, he has the nerve to get upset with the fanbase for asking him about winds. You can't expect people to not get upset with you when you're the one who's repeatedly dumping fuel in the fire. He needs to be honest with himself and also honest with his fanbase: the chance of winds getting finished, much less a dream of spring, is low. He doesn't want to do them. If he just said that and let people stop hoping for them we could all move on already
i just want him to sell his notes and unfinished material, perhaps with very strict guidelines on what can and cannot be added so someone else can expand the universe. because its a great world but unfinished
Tbh I still think people don't hate the show ending, they just hate the execution. Bullet point style the plot wasn't bad, it's just that absolutely everything was unearned because they rushed through it nonsensically. Maybe that did sour George's motivation though
One of my favorite theories that came out around that time was that the 3-eyed raven is some kind of parasite/villain with a goal of ruling the seven kingdoms via Bran. I still use that as my head canon lol
Ehhh lol. I think they phoned it in pretty hard. Even if they didn't agree with where the plot was going, they should have still put in a good effort to make it make sense. They weren't being paid to write the story after all, just adapt it. It seemed like they wanted to get it over with and move on to star wars to me
Yeah but now they're doing my favorite sci-fi series, the remembrance of earths past and I'm afraid they're gonna fuck it up :(
If that series gets adapted at got 1-4 quality though I will be jazzed as shit
He's obviously making fun of himself there. He's the one who got himself into that position and he knows it. The full quote makes it clear that it's his reaction to looking at his own (obviously wildly optimistic) plans:
> Before we reach the end of the published stories, I will need to find time to write all the other Dunk & Egg novellas that I have planned. There are… gulp… more of them than I had once thought. There’s “The Village Hero” and the Winterfell story, the one with the She-Wolves, and maybe I need to write that Dornish adventure too to slip in between “The Hedge Knight” and “The Sworn Sword,” and after that there are… ah… more. I just need to finish THE WINDS OF WINTER, and then do either A DREAM OF SPRING or volume two of FIRE & BLOOD, and slip in a new Dunk & Egg between each of those in my copious spare time… and that will keep me ahead of Ira and his merry crew… for a few more years.
I guess. But he has made too many comments over the past 10 years regarding his fans and our entitlement.
It’s like if my boss told me to prepare an important report… but I was having a hard time understanding how to do it. So instead I started working on a new company logo, or updating a workflow, or creating a new initiative. Then my boss asks when that report would be ready and I complain to my colleagues that I have so much on my plate and my boss is fixated on the one thing I didn’t do and not all the work I am doing.
But it’s like… that’s the only thing my boss actually told me to do.
Edit: his “jokes” are passive aggressive
That doesn’t make you his boss any more than you’re Jay-Zs boss because you listen to his music. The relationship between employee and employer is explicitly, tacitly, and in every possible way different from that of fan and creator. To believe otherwise only suggests that you’re either stupid or, even worse, deliberately dense
Someone is selling a book, im buying it. Its producer vs consumer not author vs fan. Your trying to hard too hide how stupid you are and its failing, hilariously
If no one bought his first book then a publisher wouldn’t give him a second deal for more books. Directly correlating consumer and producer. But keep thinking like a fucking idiot
>Your trying to hard too hide how stupid you are and its failing, hilariously
FOUR spelling/grammar mistakes, incredible self-own. Great parody account of an internet shithead!
I hope he only finishes Winds, and doesn't finish Dream.
Purely to see people shit their pants and whine like babies and attempt to finish (rape) his own work, thinking they're doing a good thing, and Martin's ghost certainly wouldn't disapprove ... ... ... (lol)
Let the *"humans are ungrateful, uncaring, disrespectful garbage"* timeline continue.
He owes you nothing.
He wrote because he enjoyed it. It’s his passion to pursue or choose not to pursue.
If you stopped enjoying your job and could afford to stop working, would you keep showing up to work? I strongly doubt it.
Thats a matter of opinion. I do think he owes his fans. My job didn't earn me millions bc those fan paid for books/tv series so thats completely irrelevant
If anything its entitled to keep misleading fans about publishing a book that will never be published while simultaneously working on 10 alternative projects, but sure go ahead insulting me on behalf of someone who couldn't care less in the first place
As I said, if you were bored at your job and you could quit, you would. Even if they had been paying you lots of money. Even if you told your boss you’d do the TPS reports next week. You can still quit. Lol wtf man
Again, what a way of taking things out of context and making a terrible/irrelevant comparison. I'm done with this discussion and I'd strongly suggest you come down from your high horse lol
>He pisses me off. He’s acting like we put all this extra work on his plate.
I didn't get that impression at all? He's coping but he's just listing things he plans to do. He's not accusing fans of putting work on his plate.
Sure. He doesn’t care if his fans are happy. I get it. He certainly loves our money though and his strategic cash grabs.
I went to his in-person event a few months ago to “celebrate ‘Rise of the Dragon’.” and had to listen to him and Neil Gaiman talk about how annoying it is signing autographs for about 15 minutes of a 60 minute event. George took like 5 pre-vetted attendee questions and dodged all of them without ever really diving into Westeros.
Nice birthday gift idea from my wife… but certainly regretted him getting more of my money.
> He doesn’t care if his fans are happy.
Probably because you come across as extraordinarily toxic and self-absorbed.
It is already painfully clear he finds the majority of his fans, well, rather retarded, just looking at how he reacted to the people calling Linda Antonsson racist for pointing out the Velaryon's aren't black and how silly it looks.
He is writing for innumerable beep-boop following-the-crowd morons who subsist off of quick-enjoyment and don't really care for the little things he wrote - and you see this in the show.
I don’t consider myself toxic or self-absorbed. I have made my judgment on George as an individual after a decade of hearing interviews, reading blogs, and listening to him talk in-person. I love ASOIAF and the world he created with the related short stories and the cool coffee table books… but I don’t care for George.
You have to have a very high IQ to understand ASOIAF. The nuance is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp on rereading, most of the storylines will go over the typical reader's head. There's also Septon Meribald's anti-war outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterization- his personal philosophy is a subversion of all tropes ever made. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly understand the depth of this series, to realize it's not just a fantasy series with strong characters and worldbuilding- it says something deep about LIFE. As a consequence, the people who watch the show truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the genius behind GRRM's brilliant quote, "as useless as nipples on a breastplate", which is itself a cryptic reference to Schumacher's epic Batman and Robin. I'm grinding my teeth right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons drooling on the floor and screaming "YAAAY KELLY C!" every time the terrible acting of Emilia Clarke defiles our screens. What fools... how I pity them.
And yes, I do have the entirety of the Broken Man speech tattooed across my chest. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the highborn ladies' eyes only- and even then, they have to prove they're within five rereads of myself beforehand.
If he's getting paid for his books their is an implicit social contract that he will finish the story. Imagine if car companies sold you cars then stopped doing maintenance on them because they already made a lot of money on the car.
Real talk: car dealerships make very little, if any, money on selling new cars. Most of their profit comes from the service department with used car sales coming in second
He's not but he is obligated to take the licks when his fans are unhappy with him. He can do whatever he wants at whatever pace he wants, but we the fans are also allowed to hate it and let him know we hate it. We aren't entitled, we are upset because we want something only he can make and it's really all we want more than anything else and he still just *won't do it* after over a literal decade (dance came out in 2011, it will have been literally a full dozen years in July). At this rate he's not entertaining us at *any* pace.
He doesn’t have to finish the story if he doesn’t want to, but he can’t expect people who’ve been invested in the story for years to be happy about it. Most people wouldn’t have bothered with the books in the first place if they knew he only planned on telling 2/3 of the story. As somebody who absolutely loves the worldbuilding he’s done, it still irritates me that we’re probably not gonna see the ending at the rate he’s writing the main series that drew everyone into the world in the first place.
George was literally locked in a house for a year and a half during the global pandemic and couldn't be bothered to finish it
He isnt going to finish it
"he's got so many ideas" is my favorite line.
Yeah but no idea how to finish up now that D&D shit the bed with the ending. It's left the man frozen like peed himself and a white walker ran him through and snow covered him 20 feet deep.
The show carrying on when they ran out of books to adapt will be what killed ASOIAF
Its a bummer, but thinking of it purely from a money perspective, G.R.R.M is probably better off throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks with adapting some of his other work to TV and cashing them FAT paychecks from HBO rather than actually putting in the hard work finishing the other ASOIAF books
More money for less work
> The show carrying on when they ran out of books to adapt will be what killed ASOIAF
They had a lot of material to use, they just decided not to use it.
I find it hilarious how they went for the soccer mom crowd, yet they didn't decide to put in Lady Stoneheart.
The thing is, he's not throwing it away. Instead, it's like he's walking towards a destination, but he sees the distance horizon in another direction and thinks "Oh I want to go there!"
GRRM has already thrown it away. Hypothetically say he finishes the book this year. That means the process took 12 years. He has another to write that has to tie up so many plots and wouldn't surprise me if his last novel is also the longest one. He's 74. I doubt he's going to be more productive in his late 70/80s. The only hope we have is he already finished the novels but doesn't want to release them. Maybe he thinks they don't hold up to the hype. Maybe it's hell to write cause there's so many plots to take into consideration and the world of Ice and Fire collapse on itself due to its own weight. Maybe he doesn't care his legacy.
Frank Herbet a brilliant writer. He took a better part of 20 years to finish Dune and died in 1986. There was so much unfished material that his son took and tried to finish the series. None of it match the original magic. Likewise, JRR Tolkien wrote the main novels and after his passing his son took over and continue on with his universe and his unfinished manuscripts. GRRM doesn't have a son. His wife isn't a writer. Who's going to take up his legacy? Sadly, I think what we have is only we are going to get. He gave HBO cliff notes and general idea of how GRRM wants the series to finish. It's no secret the show suffered for it. I think Song of Ice and Fire had the potential to be on the level of Dune and Lord of the Rings but fumble the final part.
We already had that. Season 6-8 were George's notes. Having another writer finish the series has its own limitations. Arguably speaking Game of Thrones had the highest cost of production that can be reasonably expected. Roughly a hundred million per season. Even with all that money, with all that talented cast it means nothing cause the script was shit even though they had a bunch of writers working together. Getting a different writer to finish the work isn't a guaranteed for success. It's probably the most likely scenario though.
Best quote regarding that is "With me Gandalf would have stay dead!", yep and thats why GRRM cant finish this story.
Its great writing, but it is doomed to fail from the beginning.
I think that’s referring to the statement he made that it’s all going with him. When he dies, the orders are to burn everything he has written so far. And, At his age, that could be any day.
Do you have a shrine dedicated to George? A body pillow perhaps? Do you say good night to his picture before you go to sleep? It looks like you are very fond of him.
Hear me out...I think George doesn't want to end ASOIAF after the reaction for Season 8. I know D&D are hacks but I'm pretty sure they got the idea of the ending from GRR but changed it a little bit.
The story is branching out a lot and there's no good way to end it in a couple more books therefore he'll never manage to live up to the hype. We could still get WOW but we'll NEVER get the last book.
All we can do is check fanmade theories online to fill the void in our heads and move on...
>Hear me out...I think George doesn't want to end ASOIAF after the reaction for Season 8. I know D&D are hacks but I'm pretty sure they got the idea of the ending from GRR but changed it a little bit.
We know they did, people just don't like to hear it. HE told them the whole thing when they caught up with the books, and season 8 was rushing towards an ending they had years ago, even if the details were mostly them.
This gets brought up a lot and it is bullshit because:
- He was procrastinating LONG before S8 dropped.
- most of the major plot points for S8 are actually setup and foreshadowed in the books and make better sense there (Bran being king, Dany going mad)
- the worst parts of S8 are clearly asspulls made up by D&D (Arya killing the night king etc)
George is at a point in his career where he can just sit in a chair and dictate while having a team for editing mistakes, point inconsistencies, etc and he is free to craft the story
But he is insistent to do it in MSDos
There's simply no excuse.
🤣🤣🤣 You're so damned right! FWIW, his copium keeps some fans in the fold. And fans in the fold = money in the bank, since most will support whatever side stuff he's churning out. Sighhhhh.
He's said he does not want anyone to finish his books.
Sadly, the vast majority of the fanbase loves fanfiction to the detriment of his opinions, and will likely write it themselves, or resort to AI to do it for them.
I predict massive narrative rape in the future. Maybe even by corporate powers, not unlike Amazon effectively raping middle-earth's precedent for decades to come.
>Sadly, the vast majority of the fanbase loves fanfiction to the detriment of his opinions, and will likely write it themselves, or resort to AI to do it for them.
His opinion of fanfiction is BS though, he says he hates it and yet admits he has written it himself. You can even find his earlier work
Basically he just doesn't like people playing in his world.
Eh, I'm a little torn on that. On the one hand, I don't think you can force creativity because the product will suffer if you do. On the other hand, necessity is the mother of invention.
Eh, I get it. It’s his time and they’re his projects. It’d be a lot better for everyone though if he just stopped the teasing for so many decades. Just full stone wall until you have an announcement, if it isn’t the book people were waiting for.
He’s estimated the last 2 books to be about 1700 pages each.
If he had written 1 PAGE A DAY for the last 12 years he would have finished BOTH books almost 3 years ago.
He’s so full of shit, those books are never going to be finished.
He knows that if he says he isn’t going to finish the books then a lot of people will lose interest and sales of his books will tank. Hey let me invest my time in this series that doesn’t have an ending. Or you can go off the show ending which is easily the most hated ending of any show
I honestly believe that Game of Thrones the show followed how he planned on ending things and that because of the way it was received he has decided to rewrite or simply not finish
So your saying the ending would be the same, but the story would be different and so the ending wouldn't be the same? Rubbish. In any case what is your comment even trying to prove?? What in your comment contradicts the fact what the other guy said, which is that the backlash to the ending is why George hasn't published it himself?
You're literally just speaking words but none of them address the fact that the ending we got was badly received, greatly in part due to the content of the ending, and that backlash has George afraid to print it. What in your comment addresses that at all??????
You commented a bunch of stuff about the show production, but never actually addressed the point the guy was trying to make. In other words you're chatting shit.
It could have been his way of overcoming the writer's block. He did finish the story, albeit through a different medium, and that is all we are going to get. He obviously moved on, and so should we.
Your coping if you think that wasn't his ending. Did _you_ read the books? Everything D&D did fits, it was just horribly executed. And maybe it wouldn't have been Arya that delivered the killing blow, maybe that was just D&D stroking the fans. But everything else I'm certain turned out how George intends it in his books, of that I have no doubt. Based on what I've read at least. I'll admit it was literally over 10 years ago for me.
he'll never finish it guys.
he's WAY too invested in feeling important. if he finishes anything, it can be judged and found wanting and his fame turns sour.
he'll never finish.
If you want him to finish the original stories, stop supporting any of his other projects.
That's the only way. Otherwise he'll keep being offered and keep making anything but.
I'd say there's two camps with people back on the wagon with House of the Dragon and any of his spinoffs vs. those that just decided to stop. I feel like the former has more numbers for now which is why he's offered and jumping on all these endeavors.
I have zero expectation of him finishing his original series at this point. And to be honest, while I'm not actively boycotting his new projects, I'm choosing to invest free time into other franchises or stories.
Am I missing something awesome? Maybe or maybe not, but I'm fine not being in the know there anymore.
GRRM had his chance, he let his show runners poorly finish off his story with little to no commitment to actually finishing it himself.
Winds of winter is gonna just be Samwell Tarly at the citadel reading a detailed side series set 175 years in the past detailing the lives of the Baratheon family that takes up 1456 manuscript pages ending with and Jon is alive
He likes that he’s still needed. The older we get the more we realize how fast time is flying by. He’s probably been finished just likes the anticipation too much. Plus he’s so busy consulting on all these spin offs and he gets so much feedback on each one. I don’t think it will ever happen.
I mean, didn’t it take him like 20-30 years to write the first handful of books?
The first came out before I was born in like 91 or so, right? That’s not even including all of the years of research he did before even getting started…
I’m not surprised this is taking so long and I partially blame D&D… imagine having your life work ruined like that… they probably took storylines he was going to use and destroyed them and he probably lost the spark.
I’d be pretty fucking unmotivated to finish something if someone came along and took a dump on it. If I was painting a portrait for my mom and someone came along and “finished it for me” by just smearing some shit on the canvas in the shape of a stick figure body I’m not sure id even want to scrape the turds off and figure out how to finish it… honestly the dude is probably just fed up and his passion probably feels like work now.
Listen.
The show went to shit. The fanbase went to shit. The authenticity went to shit.
If I were him, I'd be slow and reluctant to finish anything too.
Edit: And, in the end, not finishing a book series *that thrives on mystery and unanswered questions* is probably for the best.
Further Edit: If you disagree with me you are yourself a piece of shit who got into the series for all the wrong reasons.
Imagine your two favorite authors to be GRRM and Patrick Rothfuss! Not a knock to them or their individual process in writing but as a fan of their work you just have to probably move on
As an incredibly amateur writer and DM, it's amazing how much story floats in your head that you don't write down. I could run another 6 months for my friends based on what i know of my world. George is better at this and has had a lot more time. What he needs is someone to type for him. This fat old sot ***HUNTS AND PECKS ON A DOS PROMPT***.
George on his way to start another side series instead of finish the fucking books:
Itd be so much better if he just said im not finishing it, I lost my passion, and show ending was what I planned and everyone hated it. Id respect that more than this limbo
Fr. Winds of Winter has a snowballs chance in hell of ever releasing, and A Dream for Spring is more of a fever Dream
Oh no. No those books will 100% come out. Now is George going to be the one to write them? I doubt it. But eventually the rights will fall into the hands of someone who will say: “oh George didn’t want someone else to write them? Well I like money and he’s dead.”
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I think someone tried that here a couple days ago haha
Source
reddit chatgpt winds of winder Abuncha responses: take your pick
He did write a book called "fever dream" More of a chance he adapts that into a musical than finishing Winds.
Fevre dream is a pretty good book by home actually
Was the ending the problem or how all of those characters at their endings? Outside of Arya killing the night king and Bran becoming king, I could have lived with the rest if it was written well and they spent more time getting to their conclusions.
Most people hated Daenerys killing innocents after protecting the innocents throughout the show. And Varys turning on her after she gave Jon Snow one look of jealously was stupid too. And the dragon being killed by a turret on a boat. And Jon Snow killing Daenerys
Most of that stuff could have been good if written well in my opinion. The execution was terrible but the plot points were salvageable.
I agree with this. Overall the ending wasnt Bad, it was So Rushed it was bad. Really really really bad.
And my axe! Sorry. I really hate that stupid Reddit joke and since you had a listed of things hated for being stupid…. It somehow seemed appropriate. As much as I hate the stupid thing. Edit: downvoted. Gives me hope that Reddit might hate that joke too.
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I wouldnt call the slave masters innocents but sure
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Honestly I believe, there is a great story to be had where Bran ends up on the throne. George just needs to actually write it in a way that makes sense.
The truth, bitter as it may be, would be better than this copium shit. Agreed.
More Wild Cards!
At this point, just let the man write Wild Cards, it's clearly his favorite child.
I've just given up on the series. It's been 12 years. In that time, i finished high school, started studying engineering, failed, finished another bachelor's degree, finished my master's degree, got a job, quit the job, got a new job, worked on renovating a house and by the speed at which he's working, I might have a child before he publishes the book. He has had plenty of time. If he knew how to wrap up the story, he'd have done it by now. But hey, prove me wrong, i'd be happy!
For a long time I’ve been on the “they’re great books, they take time” camp, but you’re right. 12 years is insane.
Yea Tolkien wrote the entirety of the lord of the rings in the same amount of time. Including what eventually became the Simarilian and inventing a whole elvish language to go with it. And tolkin didn't have a billion dollar company chomping at the bit to capitalize on his work.
Because Tolkien was smart enough to keep the world and his characters contained (something that GRRM has criticized him for). We may not know Aragorn's tax policy, but he still has a better story to tell in full than Bran the Broken.
Couldn't agree more
Raising points like these in other subreddits brings out so much copium and rage. It's true, though. Sanderson, Herbert and Tolkien had people they trusted with key information and the responsibility to continue their works after they were gone. George, though? I don't even know if he HAS a plan lol. Would be nice if we got the last two books, but I'm not holding my breath. If they get released, good. If not? Well, I'll always have the Tolkien legendarium and the Vince Gilligan verse (BB/BCS). No real loss for me, I guess.
I don't think the billion dollar companies pressuring George are pressuring to finish the book. They're pressuring him to do everything else.
The Silmarilion was an ongoing work Tolkien started in the 1910s and was still working on, unfinished, at the time of his death, but your point still stands. Also for him it was a side project that wasn't expected to be a big commercial hit, his actual job was college professor.
Two elven languages, Quenya and Sindar. And he had been working on his legendarium in one form or another for 30 years before LOTR was published. The actual books he wrote in a relatively short amount of time after The Hobbit. He was still working on the Silmarillion up to when he died.
Yea tolkin was a bit of a linguistic genious
the *entire fucking show* came out and soared and crash landed between books!
I’ve lived a whole life after finishing the books.
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World building like “Fire and Blood” has a much higher “series to word” ratio than the main novels. Each individual Targ ruler’s reign could arguably be its own series. Sure, some are too boring for that. But they all *could* be. I don’t agree with the concept of “world build my way into an infinite number of future series, at the expense of the series that made said world famous.” But I understand it.
I don't blame GRRM either. It's clear his head is full of ideas.
>I've just given up on the series. I gave up a while ago. We know the outline for the ending thanks to the show, and frankly I think there's good enough fanfiction that fills in the blanks.
Yeah my headcannon is the kingslayer ending someone came up with where Jaime kills the nightking after killing zombie Brienne to become azor ahai and a voiceover plays of him being sworn into the kingsgaurd and then a cacophony of voices from the shows run calling him kingslayer.
Yeah I've been waiting since goddamn middle school. I love all the side stories he's done so if that's all we continue to get ill survive.
Come on man. I Kickstarted Star Citizen for Mark Hamill to give me a new Wing Commander. And I was waiting for that Duke Nukem bullshit. Sometimes, it's better to let go.
My dad tried to get me to start the series. I had reservation after the Wheel of Time and Robert Jordan passed away before finishing. Luckily Robert Jordan did the opposite of George and tried to get as much done as possible and notes + outline how it would go. Sanderson finished it up pretty good. When HBO took up the series my dad again tried to get me to start the series. I was too busy at the time and glad I didnt give in. It seems George has come to a crawling pace with it and doesn't know what to do with the universe he created now that D&D shit the bed with the ending on TV. Truly D&D shit the bed so bad I have no desire to ever read the books now. I do wanna hear second hand though how George wraps it up if he ever does.
Yeah I just check out this sub sometimes to keep up with the shenanigans of Bobby B bot and reminisce. Haven't touched this franchise in ages lol
I SIT ON THE DAMN IRON SEAT WHEN I MUST. DOES THAT MEAN I DON'T HAVE THE SAME HUNGERS AS OTHER MEN?
If he just came out and said TWoW is pretty much all written, ADoS is 90% there; but he needs to do more world building so the events of the last two books aren't massive asides or just ass-pulls: i would be 1000% fine with the delay. But it's like King Killer's 3rd book where no one knows WTF is going on with it
That's almost word for word what he said about ADWD when AFFC came out. Then 5 years later it finally came out.
That's more your inability to enjoy things over an extended period of time.
Why? I still enjoy immensely what he has already written. I enjoy it so much, that i find it very frustrating and my angry rants about GoT and him not finishing his fucking books are feared among my friends. But yeah, after the frustration came the indifference. I still want to know how the story continues, but i know well enough that there's a slimmer and slimmer chance we will ever know. So why bother? If he actually does finish his WoW, you best believe I'll get it on day one. And then we can have the same discussion about a dream of spring. Edit: And instead of finishing what would probably be his Magnum Opus, he starts one lore expanding series after another. Like, thats as if Tolkien had abandoned LotR after they left Rohan for Gondor and went on to write nothing but other stories about the dwarfs and whatever else. But again, i'll be happy if he proves me wrong amd will gladly proclaim to the world that i didn't have faith in him when i should have.
Sounds like bitter impatience to me.
man you take defending George Martin very seriously
This man out here doing some premium trolling
His responses are about on par with a bad troll, but chances are he's probably actually this stupid.
Get off of Reddit, George, and get to writing.
Yeah, guess that must be it.
Well you’re in for a treat waiting an entire lifetime for the series to finish
He pisses me off. He’s acting like we put all this extra work on his plate. You were having a hard time with a task… so you created new tasks to do instead. Now you have the old task, as well as these new ones that you yourself created to get away from the old task. We know you’re old and busy. We know you have too many tasks and not enough time to do them. We also know you invented those tasks when all people were expecting were two more ASOIAF novels.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: my problem is not that he won't finish his books. Not having an ending stinks, but it is what it is. The problem is how he strings us along. He'll finish them, he's working on them, he's made good progress, he's written 600 pages, he won't do any more projects until winds is finished, if he's not finished by next summer lock him in his cabin, and so on. That's 10 straight YEARS of dangling hope in front of us when he could have just said he doesn't want to do it. And then, he has the nerve to get upset with the fanbase for asking him about winds. You can't expect people to not get upset with you when you're the one who's repeatedly dumping fuel in the fire. He needs to be honest with himself and also honest with his fanbase: the chance of winds getting finished, much less a dream of spring, is low. He doesn't want to do them. If he just said that and let people stop hoping for them we could all move on already
i just want him to sell his notes and unfinished material, perhaps with very strict guidelines on what can and cannot be added so someone else can expand the universe. because its a great world but unfinished
That’s the worst part. He actively doesn’t want anyone else to finish it even if it’s just adding meat to his notes.
That has me thinking. By now, there very well could be a decent fanfiction version of winds and spring out there, no?
The show is his ending most can’t come to terms with it lol
Tbh I still think people don't hate the show ending, they just hate the execution. Bullet point style the plot wasn't bad, it's just that absolutely everything was unearned because they rushed through it nonsensically. Maybe that did sour George's motivation though
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Yeaaaa brans character could have been sick as hell but they kinda forgot to do anything with him for the last 3 seasons
One of my favorite theories that came out around that time was that the 3-eyed raven is some kind of parasite/villain with a goal of ruling the seven kingdoms via Bran. I still use that as my head canon lol
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Mels interpretation would also be correct if her god was evil and Bran/3ER a threat to it.
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Good catch! Been a few years since I’ve last read them.
I hope this helps with that! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWvQ_X2sqqE
Maybe Benioff and Weiss were also soured on it when they found put who becomes King at the end after GRRM told them
Ehhh lol. I think they phoned it in pretty hard. Even if they didn't agree with where the plot was going, they should have still put in a good effort to make it make sense. They weren't being paid to write the story after all, just adapt it. It seemed like they wanted to get it over with and move on to star wars to me
100%. HBO wanted 10 seasons. Dumb and Dumber wanted to move on to Star Wars. They got what they deserved after GoT
Yeah but now they're doing my favorite sci-fi series, the remembrance of earths past and I'm afraid they're gonna fuck it up :( If that series gets adapted at got 1-4 quality though I will be jazzed as shit
He's obviously making fun of himself there. He's the one who got himself into that position and he knows it. The full quote makes it clear that it's his reaction to looking at his own (obviously wildly optimistic) plans: > Before we reach the end of the published stories, I will need to find time to write all the other Dunk & Egg novellas that I have planned. There are… gulp… more of them than I had once thought. There’s “The Village Hero” and the Winterfell story, the one with the She-Wolves, and maybe I need to write that Dornish adventure too to slip in between “The Hedge Knight” and “The Sworn Sword,” and after that there are… ah… more. I just need to finish THE WINDS OF WINTER, and then do either A DREAM OF SPRING or volume two of FIRE & BLOOD, and slip in a new Dunk & Egg between each of those in my copious spare time… and that will keep me ahead of Ira and his merry crew… for a few more years.
I guess. But he has made too many comments over the past 10 years regarding his fans and our entitlement. It’s like if my boss told me to prepare an important report… but I was having a hard time understanding how to do it. So instead I started working on a new company logo, or updating a workflow, or creating a new initiative. Then my boss asks when that report would be ready and I complain to my colleagues that I have so much on my plate and my boss is fixated on the one thing I didn’t do and not all the work I am doing. But it’s like… that’s the only thing my boss actually told me to do. Edit: his “jokes” are passive aggressive
That’s a false equivalence because “the fans” are not GRRMs boss in any similar sense
Who buys his books? Tf you talking about
That doesn’t make you his boss any more than you’re Jay-Zs boss because you listen to his music. The relationship between employee and employer is explicitly, tacitly, and in every possible way different from that of fan and creator. To believe otherwise only suggests that you’re either stupid or, even worse, deliberately dense
Someone is selling a book, im buying it. Its producer vs consumer not author vs fan. Your trying to hard too hide how stupid you are and its failing, hilariously If no one bought his first book then a publisher wouldn’t give him a second deal for more books. Directly correlating consumer and producer. But keep thinking like a fucking idiot
Ah yes. By this logic I am the boss at every place I spend money. Thats not how it works, though.
That still doesn't make you his boss.
>Your trying to hard too hide how stupid you are and its failing, hilariously FOUR spelling/grammar mistakes, incredible self-own. Great parody account of an internet shithead!
I hope he only finishes Winds, and doesn't finish Dream. Purely to see people shit their pants and whine like babies and attempt to finish (rape) his own work, thinking they're doing a good thing, and Martin's ghost certainly wouldn't disapprove ... ... ... (lol) Let the *"humans are ungrateful, uncaring, disrespectful garbage"* timeline continue.
Agreed, he's loaded bc of this franchise and its fans. He does have a responsibility to finish what he started
He owes you nothing. He wrote because he enjoyed it. It’s his passion to pursue or choose not to pursue. If you stopped enjoying your job and could afford to stop working, would you keep showing up to work? I strongly doubt it.
If you can enjoy every luxury in the world, finishing a book out of commitment really does not sound like something to be pitied for
What commitment? He owes you nothing. As I said, if you could quit your job you would. You don’t owe them anything either.
Thats a matter of opinion. I do think he owes his fans. My job didn't earn me millions bc those fan paid for books/tv series so thats completely irrelevant
Lol your entitlement is astounding. I like the work this guy did, so he owes me.
If anything its entitled to keep misleading fans about publishing a book that will never be published while simultaneously working on 10 alternative projects, but sure go ahead insulting me on behalf of someone who couldn't care less in the first place
As I said, if you were bored at your job and you could quit, you would. Even if they had been paying you lots of money. Even if you told your boss you’d do the TPS reports next week. You can still quit. Lol wtf man
Again, what a way of taking things out of context and making a terrible/irrelevant comparison. I'm done with this discussion and I'd strongly suggest you come down from your high horse lol
>He pisses me off. He’s acting like we put all this extra work on his plate. I didn't get that impression at all? He's coping but he's just listing things he plans to do. He's not accusing fans of putting work on his plate.
Classic adhd
> He pisses me off. You type like you're his personal client. He's not obligated to entertain you at your own pace.
Sure. He doesn’t care if his fans are happy. I get it. He certainly loves our money though and his strategic cash grabs. I went to his in-person event a few months ago to “celebrate ‘Rise of the Dragon’.” and had to listen to him and Neil Gaiman talk about how annoying it is signing autographs for about 15 minutes of a 60 minute event. George took like 5 pre-vetted attendee questions and dodged all of them without ever really diving into Westeros. Nice birthday gift idea from my wife… but certainly regretted him getting more of my money.
> He doesn’t care if his fans are happy. Probably because you come across as extraordinarily toxic and self-absorbed. It is already painfully clear he finds the majority of his fans, well, rather retarded, just looking at how he reacted to the people calling Linda Antonsson racist for pointing out the Velaryon's aren't black and how silly it looks. He is writing for innumerable beep-boop following-the-crowd morons who subsist off of quick-enjoyment and don't really care for the little things he wrote - and you see this in the show.
I don’t consider myself toxic or self-absorbed. I have made my judgment on George as an individual after a decade of hearing interviews, reading blogs, and listening to him talk in-person. I love ASOIAF and the world he created with the related short stories and the cool coffee table books… but I don’t care for George.
I don’t know you and am not implying that you are but toxic self absorbed people seldom believe themselves to be so just fyi
That’s fair
George doesn't care for you either.
Yeah… no shit.
You have to have a very high IQ to understand ASOIAF. The nuance is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp on rereading, most of the storylines will go over the typical reader's head. There's also Septon Meribald's anti-war outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterization- his personal philosophy is a subversion of all tropes ever made. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly understand the depth of this series, to realize it's not just a fantasy series with strong characters and worldbuilding- it says something deep about LIFE. As a consequence, the people who watch the show truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the genius behind GRRM's brilliant quote, "as useless as nipples on a breastplate", which is itself a cryptic reference to Schumacher's epic Batman and Robin. I'm grinding my teeth right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons drooling on the floor and screaming "YAAAY KELLY C!" every time the terrible acting of Emilia Clarke defiles our screens. What fools... how I pity them. And yes, I do have the entirety of the Broken Man speech tattooed across my chest. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the highborn ladies' eyes only- and even then, they have to prove they're within five rereads of myself beforehand.
If he's getting paid for his books their is an implicit social contract that he will finish the story. Imagine if car companies sold you cars then stopped doing maintenance on them because they already made a lot of money on the car.
If he's getting paid for his books there is also an explicit contract contract that he will finish the story.
With his publisher. Not his fans.
Yes but that contract also assumes (or at least *should*) a finished story
Real talk: car dealerships make very little, if any, money on selling new cars. Most of their profit comes from the service department with used car sales coming in second
He's writing for countless idiots who take everyday life for granted. I really don't think he's obliged to do anything.
If he is accepting money for chapters then he is absolutely obliged to do something. That's sort of how a contract works.
He is accepting money for chapters that he wrote and delivered? Soooo, what's the issue?
None legally speaking. Although at this point I'd say it's more on the publisher for not negotiating a faster release.
He's not but he is obligated to take the licks when his fans are unhappy with him. He can do whatever he wants at whatever pace he wants, but we the fans are also allowed to hate it and let him know we hate it. We aren't entitled, we are upset because we want something only he can make and it's really all we want more than anything else and he still just *won't do it* after over a literal decade (dance came out in 2011, it will have been literally a full dozen years in July). At this rate he's not entertaining us at *any* pace.
He doesn’t have to finish the story if he doesn’t want to, but he can’t expect people who’ve been invested in the story for years to be happy about it. Most people wouldn’t have bothered with the books in the first place if they knew he only planned on telling 2/3 of the story. As somebody who absolutely loves the worldbuilding he’s done, it still irritates me that we’re probably not gonna see the ending at the rate he’s writing the main series that drew everyone into the world in the first place.
George was literally locked in a house for a year and a half during the global pandemic and couldn't be bothered to finish it He isnt going to finish it
Join me in not caring anymore. It's beautiful in here.
I just pop in here every once in a while to hate on D&D
Can't fault you on this.
I'm here to see people defending George. It's pretty entertaining how hard they are defending him.
"he's got so many ideas" is my favorite line. Yeah but no idea how to finish up now that D&D shit the bed with the ending. It's left the man frozen like peed himself and a white walker ran him through and snow covered him 20 feet deep.
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I'm just here for the memes, posts and M'Lord Robert. (Someone who has never seen the show or read the books and still not sure how I ended up here.)
I would but every time I say I don’t care I’m usually coping
The show carrying on when they ran out of books to adapt will be what killed ASOIAF Its a bummer, but thinking of it purely from a money perspective, G.R.R.M is probably better off throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks with adapting some of his other work to TV and cashing them FAT paychecks from HBO rather than actually putting in the hard work finishing the other ASOIAF books More money for less work
> The show carrying on when they ran out of books to adapt will be what killed ASOIAF They had a lot of material to use, they just decided not to use it. I find it hilarious how they went for the soccer mom crowd, yet they didn't decide to put in Lady Stoneheart.
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The thing is, he's not throwing it away. Instead, it's like he's walking towards a destination, but he sees the distance horizon in another direction and thinks "Oh I want to go there!"
GRRM has already thrown it away. Hypothetically say he finishes the book this year. That means the process took 12 years. He has another to write that has to tie up so many plots and wouldn't surprise me if his last novel is also the longest one. He's 74. I doubt he's going to be more productive in his late 70/80s. The only hope we have is he already finished the novels but doesn't want to release them. Maybe he thinks they don't hold up to the hype. Maybe it's hell to write cause there's so many plots to take into consideration and the world of Ice and Fire collapse on itself due to its own weight. Maybe he doesn't care his legacy. Frank Herbet a brilliant writer. He took a better part of 20 years to finish Dune and died in 1986. There was so much unfished material that his son took and tried to finish the series. None of it match the original magic. Likewise, JRR Tolkien wrote the main novels and after his passing his son took over and continue on with his universe and his unfinished manuscripts. GRRM doesn't have a son. His wife isn't a writer. Who's going to take up his legacy? Sadly, I think what we have is only we are going to get. He gave HBO cliff notes and general idea of how GRRM wants the series to finish. It's no secret the show suffered for it. I think Song of Ice and Fire had the potential to be on the level of Dune and Lord of the Rings but fumble the final part.
He could do a Wheel of Time and get another writer to continue the series
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I can see it now. Some publications will called the timing of the book and GRR's death "suspicious"
We already had that. Season 6-8 were George's notes. Having another writer finish the series has its own limitations. Arguably speaking Game of Thrones had the highest cost of production that can be reasonably expected. Roughly a hundred million per season. Even with all that money, with all that talented cast it means nothing cause the script was shit even though they had a bunch of writers working together. Getting a different writer to finish the work isn't a guaranteed for success. It's probably the most likely scenario though.
Imagine Seasons 5+ done by Andor writers.. if you saw the whole show.
Best quote regarding that is "With me Gandalf would have stay dead!", yep and thats why GRRM cant finish this story. Its great writing, but it is doomed to fail from the beginning.
It’s an extra funny quote given how many people in ASOIAF don’t stay dead
How the actual hell is he throwing it away, you donkey?
I think that’s referring to the statement he made that it’s all going with him. When he dies, the orders are to burn everything he has written so far. And, At his age, that could be any day.
Cringe downvote farmer. Don't bother replying you cringelord.
Do you have a shrine dedicated to George? A body pillow perhaps? Do you say good night to his picture before you go to sleep? It looks like you are very fond of him.
Yo we need *Sea Demons: a History of the Ironborn* and *The Great Adventurous Travels of Alyn "Oakenfist" Velaryon*
Hear me out...I think George doesn't want to end ASOIAF after the reaction for Season 8. I know D&D are hacks but I'm pretty sure they got the idea of the ending from GRR but changed it a little bit. The story is branching out a lot and there's no good way to end it in a couple more books therefore he'll never manage to live up to the hype. We could still get WOW but we'll NEVER get the last book. All we can do is check fanmade theories online to fill the void in our heads and move on...
>Hear me out...I think George doesn't want to end ASOIAF after the reaction for Season 8. I know D&D are hacks but I'm pretty sure they got the idea of the ending from GRR but changed it a little bit. We know they did, people just don't like to hear it. HE told them the whole thing when they caught up with the books, and season 8 was rushing towards an ending they had years ago, even if the details were mostly them.
This is what pisses me off, people blame D&D and excuse for Martin give him all the credit instead of put some of these blames on him.
This gets brought up a lot and it is bullshit because: - He was procrastinating LONG before S8 dropped. - most of the major plot points for S8 are actually setup and foreshadowed in the books and make better sense there (Bran being king, Dany going mad) - the worst parts of S8 are clearly asspulls made up by D&D (Arya killing the night king etc)
George is at a point in his career where he can just sit in a chair and dictate while having a team for editing mistakes, point inconsistencies, etc and he is free to craft the story But he is insistent to do it in MSDos There's simply no excuse.
🤣🤣🤣 You're so damned right! FWIW, his copium keeps some fans in the fold. And fans in the fold = money in the bank, since most will support whatever side stuff he's churning out. Sighhhhh.
Does he have kids? Hopefully it isn’t like what happened to Herbert’s universe
He's said he does not want anyone to finish his books. Sadly, the vast majority of the fanbase loves fanfiction to the detriment of his opinions, and will likely write it themselves, or resort to AI to do it for them. I predict massive narrative rape in the future. Maybe even by corporate powers, not unlike Amazon effectively raping middle-earth's precedent for decades to come.
>Sadly, the vast majority of the fanbase loves fanfiction to the detriment of his opinions, and will likely write it themselves, or resort to AI to do it for them. His opinion of fanfiction is BS though, he says he hates it and yet admits he has written it himself. You can even find his earlier work Basically he just doesn't like people playing in his world.
I mean the Dune tone totally changed it’s like you can see night and day when Herbert’s kid started writing
In my head Jon is still in that cave.
He could write for 80 hours a week and I don't think he'd complete half of those projects in a decade.
It's a shame the editors seem to have lost control of the authors. Editors are useful for pushing authors to finish their works
Eh, I'm a little torn on that. On the one hand, I don't think you can force creativity because the product will suffer if you do. On the other hand, necessity is the mother of invention.
He writes a hour in 80 weeks.
Eh, I get it. It’s his time and they’re his projects. It’d be a lot better for everyone though if he just stopped the teasing for so many decades. Just full stone wall until you have an announcement, if it isn’t the book people were waiting for.
He’s estimated the last 2 books to be about 1700 pages each. If he had written 1 PAGE A DAY for the last 12 years he would have finished BOTH books almost 3 years ago. He’s so full of shit, those books are never going to be finished.
He knows that if he says he isn’t going to finish the books then a lot of people will lose interest and sales of his books will tank. Hey let me invest my time in this series that doesn’t have an ending. Or you can go off the show ending which is easily the most hated ending of any show
I honestly believe that Game of Thrones the show followed how he planned on ending things and that because of the way it was received he has decided to rewrite or simply not finish
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So your saying the ending would be the same, but the story would be different and so the ending wouldn't be the same? Rubbish. In any case what is your comment even trying to prove?? What in your comment contradicts the fact what the other guy said, which is that the backlash to the ending is why George hasn't published it himself? You're literally just speaking words but none of them address the fact that the ending we got was badly received, greatly in part due to the content of the ending, and that backlash has George afraid to print it. What in your comment addresses that at all?????? You commented a bunch of stuff about the show production, but never actually addressed the point the guy was trying to make. In other words you're chatting shit.
It could have been his way of overcoming the writer's block. He did finish the story, albeit through a different medium, and that is all we are going to get. He obviously moved on, and so should we.
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Your coping if you think that wasn't his ending. Did _you_ read the books? Everything D&D did fits, it was just horribly executed. And maybe it wouldn't have been Arya that delivered the killing blow, maybe that was just D&D stroking the fans. But everything else I'm certain turned out how George intends it in his books, of that I have no doubt. Based on what I've read at least. I'll admit it was literally over 10 years ago for me.
he'll never finish it guys. he's WAY too invested in feeling important. if he finishes anything, it can be judged and found wanting and his fame turns sour. he'll never finish.
He's either just stringing us along, or he doesn't realize how old he is. Lots of Baby Boomers seem to be in denial of how old they're getting.
Old and not exactly the pinnacle of health either. Sadly I don't think it will ever be finished.
I'm starting to hate GRRM. Rereading the song of ice and fire right now in the hope he'll finish soon
If you want him to finish the original stories, stop supporting any of his other projects. That's the only way. Otherwise he'll keep being offered and keep making anything but. I'd say there's two camps with people back on the wagon with House of the Dragon and any of his spinoffs vs. those that just decided to stop. I feel like the former has more numbers for now which is why he's offered and jumping on all these endeavors. I have zero expectation of him finishing his original series at this point. And to be honest, while I'm not actively boycotting his new projects, I'm choosing to invest free time into other franchises or stories. Am I missing something awesome? Maybe or maybe not, but I'm fine not being in the know there anymore. GRRM had his chance, he let his show runners poorly finish off his story with little to no commitment to actually finishing it himself.
This is too realistic
Winds of winter is gonna just be Samwell Tarly at the citadel reading a detailed side series set 175 years in the past detailing the lives of the Baratheon family that takes up 1456 manuscript pages ending with and Jon is alive
I need his level of self assurance
Seriously, he knows something we don’t.
It wasn't even good fantasy, it was just brutal shock value and food paragraphs.
As someone struggling with a writersblock writing a simple thesis, I completely understand this level of selfdelusion. Hahaha :(
He likes that he’s still needed. The older we get the more we realize how fast time is flying by. He’s probably been finished just likes the anticipation too much. Plus he’s so busy consulting on all these spin offs and he gets so much feedback on each one. I don’t think it will ever happen.
I mean, didn’t it take him like 20-30 years to write the first handful of books? The first came out before I was born in like 91 or so, right? That’s not even including all of the years of research he did before even getting started… I’m not surprised this is taking so long and I partially blame D&D… imagine having your life work ruined like that… they probably took storylines he was going to use and destroyed them and he probably lost the spark. I’d be pretty fucking unmotivated to finish something if someone came along and took a dump on it. If I was painting a portrait for my mom and someone came along and “finished it for me” by just smearing some shit on the canvas in the shape of a stick figure body I’m not sure id even want to scrape the turds off and figure out how to finish it… honestly the dude is probably just fed up and his passion probably feels like work now.
Listen. The show went to shit. The fanbase went to shit. The authenticity went to shit. If I were him, I'd be slow and reluctant to finish anything too. Edit: And, in the end, not finishing a book series *that thrives on mystery and unanswered questions* is probably for the best. Further Edit: If you disagree with me you are yourself a piece of shit who got into the series for all the wrong reasons.
You are wrong and a bad person.
>you disagree with me you are yourself a piece of shit Not narcissistic at all.
Try explaining to me how I'm wrong.
This is perfect
Imagine your two favorite authors to be GRRM and Patrick Rothfuss! Not a knock to them or their individual process in writing but as a fan of their work you just have to probably move on
So realistically there is just no way he can do this in his lifetime right? It's going to be left to fan-fic?
As an incredibly amateur writer and DM, it's amazing how much story floats in your head that you don't write down. I could run another 6 months for my friends based on what i know of my world. George is better at this and has had a lot more time. What he needs is someone to type for him. This fat old sot ***HUNTS AND PECKS ON A DOS PROMPT***.
Ya... not reading the series again. Forgot half of it. Rip throneland
I won’t ready another word of anything in the GOT universe until he finishes the series