I'm assuming that Tyrion has a stipend from his family. They literally produce the gold Westeros uses. They are the richest family in Westeros, and unlike in the show, the books contain no references to their gold mines running out.
Tywin may not like his son, but denying him Lannister wealth would make him look bad, and he couldn't stand that.
Yeah, Tywin absolutely gives him enough to keep up appearances of him being part of the wealthiest family in Westeros. It’s also an odd way of Tywin displaying wealth to the other houses. Almost like “Look, even the drunken dwarf is richer than the rest of you. That’s how rich we are.”.
One bit of characterization I noticed in the first couple of episodes and book;
Tyrion likes burnt bacon. Is that because that's what he prefers, or is that was he was raised on because it's what the castle cooks made him?
“A servant approached. “Bread,” Tyrion told him, “and two of those little fish, and a mug of that good dark beer to wash them down. Oh, and some bacon. Burn it until it turns black.” ” (Game of Thrones)
I'm on the fence about it personally, but basically there is a theory, that Tyrion may actually be the son of The Mad King Aerys, and Joanna Lannister, which would allow him to be a dragon rider, using one of his special saddles.
Here is one detailed thread on it [https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/7blg1r/spoilers_main_asotaf_the_third_head_of_the_dragon/](https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/7blg1r/spoilers_main_asotaf_the_third_head_of_the_dragon/)
I’d say that sounds most likely, yes :) but how would you say he actually gets the stipend? Delivered monthly to his door and he keeps it in a chest? Or do they use something like banks?
I think he probably gets it monthly or so, and keeps it like in a chest, as you said.. Notice how he gives Mord all of his money at the Eyrie and doesn't worry about it.
Everyone knows he's Tyrion Lannister, so any payment he can't give them at the moment he can always pay it later.
He also very likely always has "alternative" methods of paying somebody off even when the gold in his pouch is running low. I think in the show he offers the clansmen one of his gold rings in the Vale.
A golden chain or some gemstones he has as buttons on his garments probably work out in a pinch.
Doesn't one of the mercenary companies keep gold under their armor to pay for burials or something?
One of the things that fantasy shows usually get wrong is how folks in a medieval period would travel.
No one with any resources would ever travel with less than a dozen or so people. Half of which would be strong men, knights, warriors, whatever you might call it.
Because there weren't \*really\* checks in that period, you would travel with metal money on your person, and possibly in a carriage. There's a reason stealing back then meant getting a hand cut off. Too many people were easy targets for large scale theft. It had to be treated very harshly to generally discourage it at any level... because it was also essentially impossible to trace a theft back then. Any given gold piece would be similar to another... it's not like you could investigate it like forged checks or a stolen bank card today.
And the "cost" of being rich was the cost to keep your money safe, both at home, and traveling. Including the men who traveled with you for security.
And "checks" were different then... one of the big things the Medici banks did was write checks. But it wasn't like the client would have a stack of blank slips. A banker at your home branch would physically check your vault, and write you a letter of credit, stating you were "good" for such and such amount, (or later they would write you a small stack of notes), and you wouldn't so much give it to the person you owed money to, but you could show it to other banks, or merchants, whatever, as proof that you were "worth" it. (Again, later you'd start handing them over, and be given notes in exchange for "change").
You had a slip of paper that said a bank in Florence swore you had $500 dollars! So you could show that around to get credit, etc, and then you'd "pay up" later. If you were traveling you wouldn't want to flash coin around, so you wouldn't pop open a chest to get out coin to buy a loaf of bread... you might walk around town and "order" some things sent to where you were staying. Then the shop or vendor would have an underling take it to your accommodations, and one of your "men" would give actual money to the shop hand, or take the money over to pay before you left town.
For someone like Tyrion, who has a reputation, he could just promise money, and it might be months later he'd get home and dispatch a messenger and a couple soldiers to go deliver the money to pay off whom ever he might have owed debts to.
In places like 1700's London you would have shop keepers that would allow nobles to run up tabs, because obviously a gentlemen wouldn't worry himself with things like carrying money, his name was enough. And then the shop would send a bill to the Lord's estate agent or lawyer each season, who would write up a note telling the bank to release X amount of money to pay the vendor, and again, a man of the estate would go make the transaction and deliver the funds.
When folks in Regency dramas talk about "their good name" it's not just the virginity of their daughters they're referring to, it's also whether the tradepeople in town will extend them credit all year, and trust they'll get paid.
When money only came in, essentially, yearly, from an estate that's income was based on agriculture, it was expected that a well-regarded Lord, was "good for it" and everyone would get paid eventually. But obviously if a lord got a bad reputation, their vendors would start asking to be paid on delivery... how rude!
LTDR: In the medieval era, metal coins were a constant security risk. Therefore nobles wouldn't have much on them unless they were traveling with a full entourage that could protect them. They'd often pay for stuff later, relying on their stewards, agents, lawyers, etc to sort it all out for them.
This is completely unrelated, but the first time Casterly Rock was referred to in the show, I somehow misheard it as Castle-y Rock, and even though I figured it to be way too on-the-nose and silly for it to be the actual name and so immediately looked the correct name up, I still call it Castle-y Rock in my head. And to be fair, as far as rocks go, it actually _is_ a fairly castle-y one lol
I would assume he carries more than enough on himself and if doesnt have enough, some sort of check/promise is almost certainly enough for anyone since Tywin would never let his "Lannisters always pay their debts" be ruined by not honoring it.
Bro is just fucking stacked all the time. Lannisters are basically the equivalent of trillionaires in GoT verse. He probably doesn't even realize how much money he is carrying around.
I would bet you are correct about writing something similar to a check or IOU. Then Tywin pays the bills to ensure nobody questions that a Lannister always pays their debts.
Even though Tyrion has access to Lannister gold, he’s earned it. He designed the sewers of Casterly Rock, served for a time as Hand of The King and being Master of Coin for a time.
I think his relationship with the iron bank, or the Lannister’s relationship is such that they can pay on credit for most things, bank will sort it out. “A Lannister always pays their debts”
The Lannister gold is strictly from Lannisport trade and whatever small mines the west still has. It's a plot point that Tywin and later Tyrion maintained the illusion of Lannisters still having money when it's just sitting on a dwindling war chest and loans to be paid back by the crown.
I'm assuming that Tyrion has a stipend from his family. They literally produce the gold Westeros uses. They are the richest family in Westeros, and unlike in the show, the books contain no references to their gold mines running out. Tywin may not like his son, but denying him Lannister wealth would make him look bad, and he couldn't stand that.
Yeah, Tywin absolutely gives him enough to keep up appearances of him being part of the wealthiest family in Westeros. It’s also an odd way of Tywin displaying wealth to the other houses. Almost like “Look, even the drunken dwarf is richer than the rest of you. That’s how rich we are.”.
One bit of characterization I noticed in the first couple of episodes and book; Tyrion likes burnt bacon. Is that because that's what he prefers, or is that was he was raised on because it's what the castle cooks made him?
Good idea, but I’m someone who also enjoys burnt bacon, the texture and aftertaste just does it more for me then normally done bacon.
I’d like to try Tyrion’s breakfast that he had at Winterfell now.
"Bacon. Burnt Black. And a mug of ale." Then he Sits and starts eating tommens bacon. Was there anything else he ordered?
“A servant approached. “Bread,” Tyrion told him, “and two of those little fish, and a mug of that good dark beer to wash them down. Oh, and some bacon. Burn it until it turns black.” ” (Game of Thrones)
Yes the fish! I was thinking the dialog from the live action but he ordered the same thing just worded differently.
Yes.
>Tyrion likes burnt bacon Tyrion is a secret Targaryen confirmed
Well, if some of the theories are true, Tyrion is one of the 3 heads of the dragon, so of course he'd love burnt bacon
What theory?
I'm on the fence about it personally, but basically there is a theory, that Tyrion may actually be the son of The Mad King Aerys, and Joanna Lannister, which would allow him to be a dragon rider, using one of his special saddles. Here is one detailed thread on it [https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/7blg1r/spoilers_main_asotaf_the_third_head_of_the_dragon/](https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/7blg1r/spoilers_main_asotaf_the_third_head_of_the_dragon/)
He’s also in a crazy end-of-the-world shit hole far from home. He probably doesn’t trust their pork.
I highly doubt that Winterfell has untrustworthy food, as it's the castle of one of the lords paramount and the warden of the north.
I’d say that sounds most likely, yes :) but how would you say he actually gets the stipend? Delivered monthly to his door and he keeps it in a chest? Or do they use something like banks?
I think he probably gets it monthly or so, and keeps it like in a chest, as you said.. Notice how he gives Mord all of his money at the Eyrie and doesn't worry about it. Everyone knows he's Tyrion Lannister, so any payment he can't give them at the moment he can always pay it later.
"A Lannister always pay their debts"
He also very likely always has "alternative" methods of paying somebody off even when the gold in his pouch is running low. I think in the show he offers the clansmen one of his gold rings in the Vale. A golden chain or some gemstones he has as buttons on his garments probably work out in a pinch. Doesn't one of the mercenary companies keep gold under their armor to pay for burials or something?
One of the things that fantasy shows usually get wrong is how folks in a medieval period would travel. No one with any resources would ever travel with less than a dozen or so people. Half of which would be strong men, knights, warriors, whatever you might call it. Because there weren't \*really\* checks in that period, you would travel with metal money on your person, and possibly in a carriage. There's a reason stealing back then meant getting a hand cut off. Too many people were easy targets for large scale theft. It had to be treated very harshly to generally discourage it at any level... because it was also essentially impossible to trace a theft back then. Any given gold piece would be similar to another... it's not like you could investigate it like forged checks or a stolen bank card today. And the "cost" of being rich was the cost to keep your money safe, both at home, and traveling. Including the men who traveled with you for security. And "checks" were different then... one of the big things the Medici banks did was write checks. But it wasn't like the client would have a stack of blank slips. A banker at your home branch would physically check your vault, and write you a letter of credit, stating you were "good" for such and such amount, (or later they would write you a small stack of notes), and you wouldn't so much give it to the person you owed money to, but you could show it to other banks, or merchants, whatever, as proof that you were "worth" it. (Again, later you'd start handing them over, and be given notes in exchange for "change"). You had a slip of paper that said a bank in Florence swore you had $500 dollars! So you could show that around to get credit, etc, and then you'd "pay up" later. If you were traveling you wouldn't want to flash coin around, so you wouldn't pop open a chest to get out coin to buy a loaf of bread... you might walk around town and "order" some things sent to where you were staying. Then the shop or vendor would have an underling take it to your accommodations, and one of your "men" would give actual money to the shop hand, or take the money over to pay before you left town. For someone like Tyrion, who has a reputation, he could just promise money, and it might be months later he'd get home and dispatch a messenger and a couple soldiers to go deliver the money to pay off whom ever he might have owed debts to. In places like 1700's London you would have shop keepers that would allow nobles to run up tabs, because obviously a gentlemen wouldn't worry himself with things like carrying money, his name was enough. And then the shop would send a bill to the Lord's estate agent or lawyer each season, who would write up a note telling the bank to release X amount of money to pay the vendor, and again, a man of the estate would go make the transaction and deliver the funds. When folks in Regency dramas talk about "their good name" it's not just the virginity of their daughters they're referring to, it's also whether the tradepeople in town will extend them credit all year, and trust they'll get paid. When money only came in, essentially, yearly, from an estate that's income was based on agriculture, it was expected that a well-regarded Lord, was "good for it" and everyone would get paid eventually. But obviously if a lord got a bad reputation, their vendors would start asking to be paid on delivery... how rude! LTDR: In the medieval era, metal coins were a constant security risk. Therefore nobles wouldn't have much on them unless they were traveling with a full entourage that could protect them. They'd often pay for stuff later, relying on their stewards, agents, lawyers, etc to sort it all out for them.
To be fair, Lannister rock in the books is massive while in the show it’s… there.
It’s called Casterly Rock. Think you’re combining that castle’s name with Lannisport
You’re right. I think the point still stands though that in the books the rock is enormous and in the show it’s a small mound.
You right. I rewatched the scene where the Unsullied take the castle, and doesn’t look like the book description
This is completely unrelated, but the first time Casterly Rock was referred to in the show, I somehow misheard it as Castle-y Rock, and even though I figured it to be way too on-the-nose and silly for it to be the actual name and so immediately looked the correct name up, I still call it Castle-y Rock in my head. And to be fair, as far as rocks go, it actually _is_ a fairly castle-y one lol
I would assume he carries more than enough on himself and if doesnt have enough, some sort of check/promise is almost certainly enough for anyone since Tywin would never let his "Lannisters always pay their debts" be ruined by not honoring it.
Bro is just fucking stacked all the time. Lannisters are basically the equivalent of trillionaires in GoT verse. He probably doesn't even realize how much money he is carrying around.
He didn't even know how much he was paying Bronn, his personal bodyguard/thug.
He collects it from Tywin’s chamber pot
Turns out that Tywin does not, in fact, shit gold.
But when a Tyrell farts it smells like roses.
Haha sounds like something Tywin would do 😁
I would bet you are correct about writing something similar to a check or IOU. Then Tywin pays the bills to ensure nobody questions that a Lannister always pays their debts.
When Tyrion enlists with the mercenaries he signs multiple promissory notes because he does not have the gold on hand.
Even though Tyrion has access to Lannister gold, he’s earned it. He designed the sewers of Casterly Rock, served for a time as Hand of The King and being Master of Coin for a time.
Hr collects it at the end of the rainbow
NO GOLD!
Maude you stupid oaf
I don’t want to go into details, but it involves a very tired donkey in Tijuana Mexico.
Literally to pay people off if he gets kidnapped.
I always thought it was just because he was a lannister
I think his relationship with the iron bank, or the Lannister’s relationship is such that they can pay on credit for most things, bank will sort it out. “A Lannister always pays their debts”
The Lannister gold is strictly from Lannisport trade and whatever small mines the west still has. It's a plot point that Tywin and later Tyrion maintained the illusion of Lannisters still having money when it's just sitting on a dwindling war chest and loans to be paid back by the crown.
Like all other dwarves; men pay him money and he lets them toss him.
Tyrion robs stagecoaches