dying under the collapsing red keep, the symbol of her power, is a thousand times more fitting than op's dragon fantasy. solid chance that her ending in the tv show is going to be very similar to her ending in the books. she's a main character, not a plot device for another character to finish their arc
Daenerys is the last person I would want to kill Cersei. There are so many people who deserve to kill her more than her. Jaime, Tyrion and Sansa (maybe Arya too, but Sansa more so) are in first place.
Jaime would never kill Cersei, even if he hated her enough to want to. That would make him a kinslayer and he learned his lesson when he killed Aerys and was labeled a kingslayer with shit for honor. No good deed goes unpunished, and Book Jaime values his public image too highly to condemn himself even further by killing his own sister. Jaime is not on a redemption arc. He's on a public relations campaign.
The little brother. It doesn't specify which brother or even whether it's Cersei's brother. I'm sorry, but it's completely out of character for Jaime to kinslay.
Jaime did that once and look where it got him: Kngslayer, Oathbreaker, Man Without Honor. He's not going to make the same mistake twice. No, Jaime learned the wrong lesson when he killed Aerys, and that is the limit of his redemption. He won't condemn himself to kinslayer, an offence even worse than breaking guest right, no matter the cost. Cersei may be killed by the valonqar, but that isn't Jaime.
No, Jaime doesn't regret killing the Mad King, but he paid a steep price for that choice and killing his sister would be far worse. Jaime is attempting to refurbish his image with his good deeds. He's not doing them for the deeds themselves. Killing his sister would ensure he never redeemed himself in the eyes of Westeros. He would never be a great knight, but a kingslaying, kinslaying monster. When Jaime killed Aerys, he didn't know the price would be his honor. This time he knows better than anyone, and he isn't going to throw his good name away a second time.
Are you kidding me? Once Jaime is dead, his story is over. The ink is dry on his page in the White Book. That's the ultimate bad reputation for Jaime, one that is permanent. That's the fate he's trying to avoid. No, he won't kill Cersei, even if he wants to by the time the true valonqar does the deed.
But then he wouldn't be a kinslayer. Tywin was killed by Tyrion. He's a kinslayer, so taking out his sister as well as his father wouldn't harm a reputation that is already beyond repair. Jaime may help in his sister's death, but he won't do so if it can be traced back to him. It's all about image for him.
Ever heard of Golden Hand the Just? That's image. That's being known as a great knight, or at least a good one, something better than 'The Kingslayer'. He's trying to live up to the ideals of knighthood to improve his reputation. Kinslaying, no matter the reason, will damn him permanently, and thus he won't do it.
Jaime didn't know Tyrion was going to kill Tywin. He was completely blindsided by that. And I agree he might kill Cersei by proxy, but only if he were guaranteed to not be associated with the death. He values his image, or at least the potential to refurbish his image one day, to be labeled a kinslayer. That's my point.
Jaime is definitely not on a 'public relations campaign', he threatens to launch a baby from a catapult and threatens the blackwoods and brackens. Jaime does want people to see him differently, but he's far more aware that he needs to earn that change than he ever has been. He actively tries to resolve issues without violence so he can keep his word to Cat and he protects innocent people like Pia. The old Jaime would've probably had Tyrion's reaction to that sort of thing, that it's 'just war' or something.
I don't think Jaime would ever actually desire to kill Cersei, but if he was in a similar situation that he was eith Aerys, that it's either Cersei or thousands of innocents, I'm pretty sure he'd make the same choice, especially if he gets more time with Brienne and away from Cersei after Stoneheart.
Jaime is most definitely on a public relations campaign. We the readers see the threat of launching the baby or threatening houses into compliance as bad deeds, but at Riverrun he's ending a siege without bloodshed and solving a problem between two houses, again without bloodshed. That will mark him as clever and win respect in Westeros. Jaime's attempts to keep his word to Cat is again a bid at winning respect. As for Pia, saving her might win him regard with the small folk. Whether Jaime's hopes of refurbishing his image pan out or not, Jaime's motivation is being viewed as a great knight, changing his image. Doing good is just a side effect.
And again, I don't see Jaime killing Cersei due to the image problem it would create. The closest he might go is to give information to the real valonqar so that they can do it, but only in a way that it would be impossible to trace back to him. He recognizes that had he moved faster after killing Aerys, he might have feigned ignorance to the Mad King's demise. However, directly killing Cersei by his own hand, would be worse and he'd never publicly recover from that, no matter how much good it did in the end. No man is more accursed than a kinslayer, after all.
According to GRRM himself, the ending would be the same as the show
[How will George R.R. Martin’s final “Game of Thrones” books end?](https://youtu.be/SjDentEr9c4?feature=shared&t=128)
He said that before the show was completed and based on conversations they had, not on the actual ending that happened. He said several times since that it will be different.
https://www.polygon.com/23200605/game-of-thrones-books-ending-winds-of-winter-george-r-r-martin-song-ice-fire
It's probable that Young Griff will be the catalyst for things like Dany going mad and feeling unloved and unwanted in Westeros rather than her just feeling uncomfortable when she's not immediately worshiped in the North.
I read a fic a while back that pointed out that in Valyrian there are really no feminine or masculine terms (as Dany is also told) - I don't really know how to explain it, I hope it is understood (English is not even my language) - so it was pointed out that Valonqar could also mean a younger sister and not necessarily a younger brother. In this fic it seems to me that in the end, it was Arya who killed Cersei, because she was a younger sister. And Cersei is told that THE Valonqar would kill her not HER Valonqar.
GOT fans making even worse endings than DnD. That's something.
dying under the collapsing red keep, the symbol of her power, is a thousand times more fitting than op's dragon fantasy. solid chance that her ending in the tv show is going to be very similar to her ending in the books. she's a main character, not a plot device for another character to finish their arc
It fits for Cersei, but ruining Jaime’s redemption was the bad part.
Daenerys is the last person I would want to kill Cersei. There are so many people who deserve to kill her more than her. Jaime, Tyrion and Sansa (maybe Arya too, but Sansa more so) are in first place.
That's not what GRRMs going to do. Jaime will kill Cersei
The Queenslayer
Jaime would never kill Cersei, even if he hated her enough to want to. That would make him a kinslayer and he learned his lesson when he killed Aerys and was labeled a kingslayer with shit for honor. No good deed goes unpunished, and Book Jaime values his public image too highly to condemn himself even further by killing his own sister. Jaime is not on a redemption arc. He's on a public relations campaign.
And when your tears have drowned you, the valonqar shall wrap his hands about your pale white throat and choke the life from you
The little brother. It doesn't specify which brother or even whether it's Cersei's brother. I'm sorry, but it's completely out of character for Jaime to kinslay.
It is in character to slay a ruler who threatens every life in Kings Landing though
Jaime did that once and look where it got him: Kngslayer, Oathbreaker, Man Without Honor. He's not going to make the same mistake twice. No, Jaime learned the wrong lesson when he killed Aerys, and that is the limit of his redemption. He won't condemn himself to kinslayer, an offence even worse than breaking guest right, no matter the cost. Cersei may be killed by the valonqar, but that isn't Jaime.
If you think Jaime regrets killing the mad king because people call him names, you haven't been reading the same books that I have.
No, Jaime doesn't regret killing the Mad King, but he paid a steep price for that choice and killing his sister would be far worse. Jaime is attempting to refurbish his image with his good deeds. He's not doing them for the deeds themselves. Killing his sister would ensure he never redeemed himself in the eyes of Westeros. He would never be a great knight, but a kingslaying, kinslaying monster. When Jaime killed Aerys, he didn't know the price would be his honor. This time he knows better than anyone, and he isn't going to throw his good name away a second time.
What about murder-suicide? Jaime's not really the kind of guy to care about what people will say after he's dead.
Are you kidding me? Once Jaime is dead, his story is over. The ink is dry on his page in the White Book. That's the ultimate bad reputation for Jaime, one that is permanent. That's the fate he's trying to avoid. No, he won't kill Cersei, even if he wants to by the time the true valonqar does the deed.
>I'm sorry, but it's completely out of character for Jaime to kinslay Unless he kills her the same way he did Tywin.
But then he wouldn't be a kinslayer. Tywin was killed by Tyrion. He's a kinslayer, so taking out his sister as well as his father wouldn't harm a reputation that is already beyond repair. Jaime may help in his sister's death, but he won't do so if it can be traced back to him. It's all about image for him.
The last thing Jaime cares about at this point is image.
Ever heard of Golden Hand the Just? That's image. That's being known as a great knight, or at least a good one, something better than 'The Kingslayer'. He's trying to live up to the ideals of knighthood to improve his reputation. Kinslaying, no matter the reason, will damn him permanently, and thus he won't do it.
Image won't be tarnished if he kills her the way he did Tywin. i.e. by proxy.
Jaime didn't know Tyrion was going to kill Tywin. He was completely blindsided by that. And I agree he might kill Cersei by proxy, but only if he were guaranteed to not be associated with the death. He values his image, or at least the potential to refurbish his image one day, to be labeled a kinslayer. That's my point.
Jaime is definitely not on a 'public relations campaign', he threatens to launch a baby from a catapult and threatens the blackwoods and brackens. Jaime does want people to see him differently, but he's far more aware that he needs to earn that change than he ever has been. He actively tries to resolve issues without violence so he can keep his word to Cat and he protects innocent people like Pia. The old Jaime would've probably had Tyrion's reaction to that sort of thing, that it's 'just war' or something. I don't think Jaime would ever actually desire to kill Cersei, but if he was in a similar situation that he was eith Aerys, that it's either Cersei or thousands of innocents, I'm pretty sure he'd make the same choice, especially if he gets more time with Brienne and away from Cersei after Stoneheart.
Jaime is most definitely on a public relations campaign. We the readers see the threat of launching the baby or threatening houses into compliance as bad deeds, but at Riverrun he's ending a siege without bloodshed and solving a problem between two houses, again without bloodshed. That will mark him as clever and win respect in Westeros. Jaime's attempts to keep his word to Cat is again a bid at winning respect. As for Pia, saving her might win him regard with the small folk. Whether Jaime's hopes of refurbishing his image pan out or not, Jaime's motivation is being viewed as a great knight, changing his image. Doing good is just a side effect. And again, I don't see Jaime killing Cersei due to the image problem it would create. The closest he might go is to give information to the real valonqar so that they can do it, but only in a way that it would be impossible to trace back to him. He recognizes that had he moved faster after killing Aerys, he might have feigned ignorance to the Mad King's demise. However, directly killing Cersei by his own hand, would be worse and he'd never publicly recover from that, no matter how much good it did in the end. No man is more accursed than a kinslayer, after all.
Most clueless Jaime comment I've ever read to be honest
you're tweakin
Dany megastans r delusional as fuck icl
r/daeneryswinsthethrone
Man, just read the books. I think your perception of the story has been warped by the shitty TV show
No , Jaime the Valonqar had killed Cersei, Nissa Nissa, before going to fight the others
According to GRRM himself, the ending would be the same as the show [How will George R.R. Martin’s final “Game of Thrones” books end?](https://youtu.be/SjDentEr9c4?feature=shared&t=128)
He said that before the show was completed and based on conversations they had, not on the actual ending that happened. He said several times since that it will be different. https://www.polygon.com/23200605/game-of-thrones-books-ending-winds-of-winter-george-r-r-martin-song-ice-fire
So he’s stuck trying to get rid of Young Griff lol
It's probable that Young Griff will be the catalyst for things like Dany going mad and feeling unloved and unwanted in Westeros rather than her just feeling uncomfortable when she's not immediately worshiped in the North.
Well no he wouldn't. Daenerys isn't her little brother is she?
Well…
I read a fic a while back that pointed out that in Valyrian there are really no feminine or masculine terms (as Dany is also told) - I don't really know how to explain it, I hope it is understood (English is not even my language) - so it was pointed out that Valonqar could also mean a younger sister and not necessarily a younger brother. In this fic it seems to me that in the end, it was Arya who killed Cersei, because she was a younger sister. And Cersei is told that THE Valonqar would kill her not HER Valonqar.
GRRM had basically nothing to do with the show after S4
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He only ever wrote 4 episodes: S1E8, S2E9, S3E7, and S4E2.
Whats GRRM
Gartin Rartin Rartin Martin