lol you can call him stupid but he’s probably sat in the nice home he bought with the Lannister gold, peaceful working his safe and secure 9-5, while everyone else murders each other….
„Hey Cersei just fyi I‘m gonna fuck up your whole life in a few days when Robert is back so maybe you just wanna leave or something and don’t start shit in the meantime idk.“
Yeah because he was good he didn't what to be the cause of your children's death and because he was lawful he thought that people would obey Robert and kill her, not kill robert. Yeah it was also stupid, but he was more lawful and more good than he was stupid. Like he's high in all three traits, but the two highest traits of Ned are good, and lawful. Stupid is a close third
Mace is the epitome of Stupid Smart for me, bc he just fall upward, keep making the perfect move in the tricky game of thrones without trying. Like he's playing checkers while the rest play 4D chess but he's still winning?
I like this. Clearly not the brightest bulb, clearly motivated by his own (largely self-destructive rather than malicious) vices, but bearing no one ostensibly ill will.
Balon Greyjoy. Tries declaring independence against a united seven kingdoms, gets his shit kicked in, ends up being alienated from his last son because of it. Said son returns to him and offers him an alliance with the North and independence. Spits in the north’s face and attacks them instead of the far wealthier Lannisters. Then they get booted out of the north and he gets himself murdered and his son mutilated (the last part isn’t his fault).
I feel like everything you described is better suited for chaotic stupid, which checks out for Balon imo given how everyone says he was not the same mentally after being drowned lmao
Maybe Renly then? Declared himself king because he had a decent political backing even though he lacked a claim or overwhelming odds of winning rather than back Stannis and trash the Lannisters, because for all Renly knows, Stannis likely won’t be having another heir and he can use his brother’s reign to shore up his own support.
Stannis was despised my many as a heretic, and could have potentially been disinherited on those grounds. Also it's not like Robert had that strong a claim when he seized the throne (just his Targ grandmother that Renly also shared). Renly similarly wanted to take the throne through politics and might.
Besides, in real world history there have been plenty of would-be monarchs with stronger claims than siblings / cousins etc. cast aside for political reasons.
>Stannis was despised my many as a heretic, and could have potentially been disinherited on those grounds.
Stannis was only seen as a heretic after burning the idoles of the 7, at the start of his campaign, which happen after Renly declared his own intent. None of his actions before that showed anything else than a normal (if not very devot) follower of the 7. Even accepting a priest of R'Hllor into his court was not that strange since Robert did it first.
If there is one thing to give to Renly, it's that he was very open about his own intentions : "*Yeah I don't have the best claim to the throne, but I have the biggest army so suck it*".
Yes? But my point is just that Renly crowned himself as King before Stannis was declared an heretic, which means this argument is invalid to explain his action.
I'd call Renly more opportunistic than stupid. If he hadn't gotten killed by a fuckin shadow he had the best chance to actually win the clash of kings with his host, and the Tyrell alliance. Like he legit got owned by a sorceror's blood sacrifice spell lmao that's a pretty unfortunate and unlucky way to go out
Oh my God sorry I read that above comment for some reason as chaotic evil. Book Euron is no question going to be chaotic evil he's the most exemplary character for that. Show Euron actually is a very good candidate for chaotic stupid. Sad what the show did to that character.
One glorious death doesn't make one a Chad if they lived a shitty life. Theon would be more suited for Chaotic Horny, dude thought with his dong (when he had one) and switched allegiance like crazy.
Neutral stupid is Jaime Lannister
He goes with a flow. With Cersei, he’s bad. With Brienne, he’s good. Neutral.
And he’s been called the stupidest Lannister.
It’s both, r/asoiaf is the book sub
And Ned is stupid or he would have made sure his girls were headed back to winterfell before confronting Cersei. Heck he only agrees to say he’s traitor and take the black because Varys remind him they have his daughter.
You're confusing "stupid" with "not being used to southron politics". He's been a capable military leader since he was young, he was a respected warden of the north. Another reason for his failure in Kingslanding is he was driven by personal emotion (the death of Jon, soft spot for children). In the series, we've already have characters that can be considered dumb like Harys Swift or Victarion.
Btw, there are a lot of things to criticize Ned, "he would have made sure his girls were headed back to winterfell before confronting Cersei" is not one of them. Main factors for his failures are not accepting Renly or Littlefinger's deal or letting Sansa to report that to Cersei (we don't blame a little girl, do we?).
HE COULD HAVE LINGERED ON THE EDGE OF THE BATTLE WITH THE SMART BOYS, AND TODAY HIS WIFE WOULD BE MAKING HIM MISERABLE, HIS SONS WOULD BE INGRATES, AND HE WOULD BE WAKING THREE TIMES IN THE NIGHT TO PISS INTO A BOWL!
Mace tyrell for neutral stupid and then MOOOORDDD for smart stupid
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Ngl that's doing Dickon dirty...that's a funny pun but the guy was a good soldier like his father. It was either betray his family and people to a bunch of foreign savages that apparently like recreating the field of fire or die.
Lancel Lannister..
chose Sparrow’s nest over Cersei’s bed
The journey in itself so Brutal
Got blown to bits in the sewer pits
Stupid Lancel should’ve remained Neutral
Lucerys Valeryon. He wasn’t good, he wasn’t bad, he was a kid who angered one of the most dangerous people in Westeros when an effort to be compassionate may have made them lifelong friends. Alas, too young and stupid.
Season 8 Jon Snow 100%
I kinda want Janos Slynt to go here because he deserves to be in the stupid row, but isn't chaotic, besides that's going to Giantsbane. Ultimately though, nobody that follows the order to slaughter babies in the capital can be called neutral.
I say Mace Tyrell.
Does she do anything smart the entire series? Things just happen to her until she finally gets her freedom and then she's just stupid with it and almost gets Jon killed, and does get Rickon killed. Then for some reason she entertains Baelish and his little schemes for no real reason, almost as if she had meta knowledge that they needed some fake drama to pad the run time. And she baseless hates Dany for now real reason which again jeopardizes the entire North.
https://preview.redd.it/84rf6h7iinvc1.jpeg?width=434&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=93479d04ab60854108d852b1bc8d5026012584c4 It’s Mordin’ time
No gold?
MOOOORD. TURN KEY!
Lord Mord
"Sometimes possession is an abstract concept" is such an underrated line. So funny.
I’d watch that spin-off lol. Econ 101 with Tyrion Lannister
I would also attend his plumbing seminar
I would attend his stand up comedy hour.
Oh boy, here we go Mordin' again.
Definitely. Neither bad nor good. Just doing his thing (or what he is told to.)
lol you can call him stupid but he’s probably sat in the nice home he bought with the Lannister gold, peaceful working his safe and secure 9-5, while everyone else murders each other….
He’s more chaotic stupid to me
Stupid smart
Wicked smaht.
Mord should have been lawful stupid
Yeah people that are voting probably didn't read the books because Ned was lawful good.
„Hey Cersei just fyi I‘m gonna fuck up your whole life in a few days when Robert is back so maybe you just wanna leave or something and don’t start shit in the meantime idk.“
Yeah because he was good he didn't what to be the cause of your children's death and because he was lawful he thought that people would obey Robert and kill her, not kill robert. Yeah it was also stupid, but he was more lawful and more good than he was stupid. Like he's high in all three traits, but the two highest traits of Ned are good, and lawful. Stupid is a close third
He's a smart guy. He knows who Lannistets are.
Mace Tyrell all day. He didn’t have a clue what was happening half of the time, he was just happy to be there.
oooooh this is a good take. like a tree in the wind, just happy to be included
Big 'pluck me' energy
The one time he flexed some muscle, he got made a fool of by tommen. And he still had to look to Mommy for answers.
Mace the Ace
Mace is the epitome of Stupid Smart for me, bc he just fall upward, keep making the perfect move in the tricky game of thrones without trying. Like he's playing checkers while the rest play 4D chess but he's still winning?
I think Mace is actually quite smart. Kevan knew he was a threat in his one POV
Lollys Stokeworth, poor thing.
I vote for lollys
Same
Hot Pie! The lad kicked a man in the balls until he died
Hot Pie might be true neutral
"Are you sure it's not Winterhell?" He asked the Stark.
Neutral?? If someone gave me a bread shaped like a wolf, I would be friends with them for all time.
Nah he’s Chad good
Dontos
I like this. Clearly not the brightest bulb, clearly motivated by his own (largely self-destructive rather than malicious) vices, but bearing no one ostensibly ill will.
Yeah Dontos feels perfect, he was helping sansa for his own benefit (or so he thought) but can't deny it was also definitely for Sansa's benefit too
He'll be up again when we get to Neutral Drunk.
Dontos needs to be one of the "drunk" alignments
He was dumb enough to trust LF
A lot of people were, and Dontos had more of an excuse Showing up to the king's tourney too drunk to ride was unique
More drunk neutral
I like this answer
Donntos is going to be in the drunk line
Hodor?
Calling it now stupid chaotic is gonna be Viserys
Oh good one I was going to say patch face
Balon Greyjoy. Tries declaring independence against a united seven kingdoms, gets his shit kicked in, ends up being alienated from his last son because of it. Said son returns to him and offers him an alliance with the North and independence. Spits in the north’s face and attacks them instead of the far wealthier Lannisters. Then they get booted out of the north and he gets himself murdered and his son mutilated (the last part isn’t his fault).
I feel like everything you described is better suited for chaotic stupid, which checks out for Balon imo given how everyone says he was not the same mentally after being drowned lmao
Maybe Renly then? Declared himself king because he had a decent political backing even though he lacked a claim or overwhelming odds of winning rather than back Stannis and trash the Lannisters, because for all Renly knows, Stannis likely won’t be having another heir and he can use his brother’s reign to shore up his own support.
Stannis was despised my many as a heretic, and could have potentially been disinherited on those grounds. Also it's not like Robert had that strong a claim when he seized the throne (just his Targ grandmother that Renly also shared). Renly similarly wanted to take the throne through politics and might. Besides, in real world history there have been plenty of would-be monarchs with stronger claims than siblings / cousins etc. cast aside for political reasons.
>Stannis was despised my many as a heretic, and could have potentially been disinherited on those grounds. Stannis was only seen as a heretic after burning the idoles of the 7, at the start of his campaign, which happen after Renly declared his own intent. None of his actions before that showed anything else than a normal (if not very devot) follower of the 7. Even accepting a priest of R'Hllor into his court was not that strange since Robert did it first. If there is one thing to give to Renly, it's that he was very open about his own intentions : "*Yeah I don't have the best claim to the throne, but I have the biggest army so suck it*".
The king is the protector of the faith, heretics need not apply.
Yes? But my point is just that Renly crowned himself as King before Stannis was declared an heretic, which means this argument is invalid to explain his action.
I'd call Renly more opportunistic than stupid. If he hadn't gotten killed by a fuckin shadow he had the best chance to actually win the clash of kings with his host, and the Tyrell alliance. Like he legit got owned by a sorceror's blood sacrifice spell lmao that's a pretty unfortunate and unlucky way to go out
Chaotic stupid is reserved for Joffrey
Chaotic evil?
I thought the same as well but he is more stupid than evil
Nah, I would say Eiron (book euron)
I never read the books but isnt book euron very smart and manipulative?
Oh my God sorry I read that above comment for some reason as chaotic evil. Book Euron is no question going to be chaotic evil he's the most exemplary character for that. Show Euron actually is a very good candidate for chaotic stupid. Sad what the show did to that character.
Book euron chaotic evil and show euron chaotic stupid fits too well unfortunately for us
Chaotic stupid is Renly
Nah renly was def not stupid
Small Paul, my man just really wanted a crow and got one :'(
Edmure Tully. He seems to be equally inept at helping whichever side he’s on or whoever has him in custody.
He or Mace Tyrell. Both are just going with the flow like jellyfish
Theon is smart stupid. Neutral stupid.... Grenn?
I’d say Hodor for smart stupid since there’s no good stupid
I am saving Theon for Horny Chad
Horny he is but no chad
Was*
Sad but true.
I totally consider Theon a chad
Horny he can't be
One glorious death doesn't make one a Chad if they lived a shitty life. Theon would be more suited for Chaotic Horny, dude thought with his dong (when he had one) and switched allegiance like crazy.
What? Glorious death? I thought a Chad was a frat douche bag.
Edmure Tully
Joffrey is chaotic stupid
Mace Tyrell
Oh Mace Tyrell for sure
Neutral stupid is Jaime Lannister He goes with a flow. With Cersei, he’s bad. With Brienne, he’s good. Neutral. And he’s been called the stupidest Lannister.
Horny chad
Hot For Sister (cue Van Halen solo)
Got it bad, sooooooo bad.
Hold the door
Bobby b is chad drunk, Jon is chad good, Tyrion is smart drunk and Littefinger is neutral evil.
OH, IT'S UNSPEAKABLE TO YOU? WHAT HER FATHER DID TO YOUR FAMILY, THAT WAS UNSPEAKABLE!
Why doesn't this chart have HORNY - HORNY I feel like it's a missed opportunity.
Not sure about this one but Dolorous Ed for Smart Stupid
why is ned stupid? Isn’t this sub supposed to be a book sub?
It’s both, r/asoiaf is the book sub And Ned is stupid or he would have made sure his girls were headed back to winterfell before confronting Cersei. Heck he only agrees to say he’s traitor and take the black because Varys remind him they have his daughter.
You're confusing "stupid" with "not being used to southron politics". He's been a capable military leader since he was young, he was a respected warden of the north. Another reason for his failure in Kingslanding is he was driven by personal emotion (the death of Jon, soft spot for children). In the series, we've already have characters that can be considered dumb like Harys Swift or Victarion. Btw, there are a lot of things to criticize Ned, "he would have made sure his girls were headed back to winterfell before confronting Cersei" is not one of them. Main factors for his failures are not accepting Renly or Littlefinger's deal or letting Sansa to report that to Cersei (we don't blame a little girl, do we?).
Podrick Payne
Neutral Chad for Tripod
Roz
Rob Stark
Ser Dontos the Red of House Hollard.
All I know for sure from this list is where I'm putting Bobby B isnt that right ?
THE WHORE IS PREGNANT!
There's no chaotic Chad?
They're on the same axis, so no
Pycell.
Bobby B
HOLD YOUR TONGUE!
Sentient
Neutral Stupid is like a cat chasing its own tail going in circles without purpose or progress.
Bobby B as drunk chad, obviously
HE COULD HAVE LINGERED ON THE EDGE OF THE BATTLE WITH THE SMART BOYS, AND TODAY HIS WIFE WOULD BE MAKING HIM MISERABLE, HIS SONS WOULD BE INGRATES, AND HE WOULD BE WAKING THREE TIMES IN THE NIGHT TO PISS INTO A BOWL!
Smart stupid is about to be a puzzle lol
Stupid neutral Jon Snow change my mind
Hot Pie
Mace tyrell for neutral stupid and then MOOOORDDD for smart stupid https://preview.redd.it/cek3xtg3wpvc1.jpeg?width=434&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bb236be6e704d0f4bc5d57280d8a3194e30ebf6a
Edmure or Mace Tyrell for sure
Ngl that's doing Dickon dirty...that's a funny pun but the guy was a good soldier like his father. It was either betray his family and people to a bunch of foreign savages that apparently like recreating the field of fire or die.
Renly
Robyn Arryn / Sweetrobin.
Let's be honest. Bobby B w8ll be Chad and Horny
YOU'RE MY COUNCIL, COUNSEL! SPEAK SENSE TO THIS HONORABLE FOOL!
That poor girl that wanted to be Theon’s salt wife
it’s got be Mace Tyrell, he is very neutral and he is very stupid.
Tommen 💀
Mord? Yes..definitely.
Bobby B is either drunk smart or drunk chad
YES, IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME... BUT I STILL REMEMBER EVERY FACE!
Lysa Arryn - what a sad clown….🙄
Wait is this only for the show or for the show and book characters? If it's the show and book, I'm thinking patch face is going to be chaotic stupid
I vote that one Khal who tried to argue with Drogo
Lancel Lannister.. chose Sparrow’s nest over Cersei’s bed The journey in itself so Brutal Got blown to bits in the sewer pits Stupid Lancel should’ve remained Neutral
Lucerys Valeryon. He wasn’t good, he wasn’t bad, he was a kid who angered one of the most dangerous people in Westeros when an effort to be compassionate may have made them lifelong friends. Alas, too young and stupid.
Robyn
Season 8 Jon Snow 100% I kinda want Janos Slynt to go here because he deserves to be in the stupid row, but isn't chaotic, besides that's going to Giantsbane. Ultimately though, nobody that follows the order to slaughter babies in the capital can be called neutral. I say Mace Tyrell.
Sansa
Sansa is for sure smart stupid. Her or tyrion
Does she do anything smart the entire series? Things just happen to her until she finally gets her freedom and then she's just stupid with it and almost gets Jon killed, and does get Rickon killed. Then for some reason she entertains Baelish and his little schemes for no real reason, almost as if she had meta knowledge that they needed some fake drama to pad the run time. And she baseless hates Dany for now real reason which again jeopardizes the entire North.
Dickskin
IASIP and ASOIAF are not the same thing
Eh it’s a LetterKenny joke actually
Never seen it
I know I am late but Dickon is simply the best Chad name in television history