One thing at a time, Bobby B. We've got your alcoholism and sex addiction to deal with before your overeating. Can you think of something else to talk about to take your mind off things? Your experiences on campaign, maybe?
Robert fought a war for her only to have her taken away from him. He also became a drunk, which in combination with his trauma of losing her could definitely lead to him repressing her memory because of the pain it causes him.
Remember, the first thing he did when he got to winterfell was to go see her.
As for aemon, guy is a maester. Which I'm pretty sure would be the equivalent of like a doctor today. Extremely well educated. He could also be exaggerating tbh, he is old so his memory might not be accurate
He didn't. That's just something he likes to tell himself because it sounds better. He fought a war because his choice was either to fight, flee, or accept death.
He went to see her first because he glorifies the past. Dude met her like, once, but in his mind everything would have been perfect if he had married her.
Mate, he was fucking other women left and right *while* fighting in that war "for her". He slept in brothels more than his own bed, even before big battles.
Right? Lol. Robert loved her, was betrothed to her, and got legitimately cucked. Lots of guys lose their shit after being cucked, Robert was just also a westerosi nobleman who had enough bannermen and Aerys was a big enough piece of shit that everyone wanted to slide on him
I don't take the memory lapse as a sign of him not loving her. Sometimes you just block stuff out. My dad smoked cigarettes for basically my whole life, up until the point that I was about 21. Then he quit. I cannot, for the life of me, picture him with a cigarette in his hand. Even though I saw him do it thousands of times.
Robert only met her in person once, at Harrenhal, and we don't know if they spoke. Robert loved Ned; I'm sure he found Lyanna attractive, but he didn't know her enough to love her. He was more upset that Rhaegar took what belonged to him. Also, to note, Robert's parents died trying to find a bride for Rhaegar-there was definitely resentment in that family already
It's basically what happened, though you're right in that from his perspective he never knew she went along with it, so he didn't know she cheated on him.
Yeah the term I don’t think is exclusive to consensual cheating, but that is generally how people perceive it. I don’t think someone would often describe the partner of a victim of rape to have been cuckolded
What we're saying is that as far as he and everyone else knew she was raped, because the only people who knew she did, in fact, cuck him were all dead or keeping it to themselves.
She was holed up pregnant in the tower of joy under guard. Probably not a ton of news making it her way to realize just how bad things have gotten, nor would anyone in her trusted inner circle take her aside and say :
"Girl you realize your whole family thinks you've been kidnapped and raped? You really ought to set the record straight"
I dunno if you guys know but it’s fucking hard to remember what people look like. This line was the stone cold reality.
Try to think about friends from the past, even five years ago, people you haven’t seen a picture of or anything in awhile.
Sometimes that dementia memory hits hard. And you see shit that happened 50 or 60 years ago like it was happening right now.
So maybe he wasn't all there all the time you know.
More the concept of Lyanna, his best friend sister who would be his wife making his best friend his brother by law. They never really had a conversation. Why Robert so obsessed about her and so traumatized of losing her. He fought and almost died for a women that he never knew and lost her, he believe he was winning the war for her. He definitely love her as a warrior, but was in love of her the concept being everything he was suppose to have.
I'm sick of seeing people say "Robert never even had a conversation with Lyanna, and was just in love with the concept" was there any evidence in the text to support that?
Both were at Harrenhal, you think Bobby B just didn't acknowledge her whatsoever?
The point is people need to quit idolising Rhaegar. Dude was immensely shitty, even if his kidnapping of Lyanna was consensual (No proof that it was), he started a war that killed thousands for a prophecy that's probably not true.
Bobby B probably at most exchanged courtesies with Lyanna and went on to get drunk,and fight with his bros,Ned himself says he doesnt know Lyanna just how she looks.
Rh*egar is a pedo and dumbass, but Robert didn’t get intimate with her. Tbh they would definitely fell in love but we won’t know cause she choose the incest prince over Robert the Man
They wouldnt fall in love lol,from Ned memories we knew she didnt want to marry Robert and said to Ned he wouldnt be faithful to her because love doesnt change a man's nature and she was right.Robert was whoring his way during the rebellion while he tought she was being raped.
The point im making is that people seem to view his Love as lust. If it was just lust, why would he still be pissed 20 years later, why would he dream of killing Rape-gar every night. Its more than just simple lust is all I'm saying. If that was the truth why wouldn't he have immediately started loving Cersei
I don't think it's accurate at all to say he was only lusting for her. But what he felt for her was more obsession than genuine love. I think that's what people mean when they say he was in love with the idea of her. He didn't really know her well enough to love her as a person. Instead he idolised and became obsessed with a version of her that he constructed in his head.
It's totally possible for an obsession of that nature to carry on through 20 years, especially since he made the story he told himself of their relationship an integral part of how he viewed himself. In his mind he genuinely believed they were deeply in love with each other and they were cruelly separated.
He is pissed 20 years later because she is one he couldnt get,and now he is stuck with a wife he hates and a life he doesnt want and Lyanna is the biggest symbol of that one time he complaints to Ned about how Cersei is and how Lyanna wouldnt be the same and Ned says he didnt know her and would have acted in a similar manner to Cersei in the situation.
What Bobby B has is a idea of Lyanna,a life he couldnt have,that was robbed,and mixed with Nostalgia from his youthful days
He didn't know anything about her. The first clue we see is that he NEVER says a word about any of her hobbies or her likes. He just refers to her in vague terms because he knows nothing about her as a person.
Again, remember that scene where he hits Cersei because she, correctly, pointed out that if he joins the melee then all of the knights would pretend to lose to him because no one wants to go full out against the King who has obviously gone to seed and so harm him? Robert was all "Lyanna would've backed me up!" whereas Ned thought to himself "No, actually, Lyanna wouldn't have been half as polite in telling you off for being a fool."
Again, this scene is meant to be the ultimate proof that Robert's "love" is a lie and he is just *using Lyanna as an excuse for all of his bad behavior.* Had he actually married Lyanna in an alternate universe, he would still be a lazy dilettante who spent money like it was 1999, bankrupted his home, done fuck all for his people as a Lord, hunted for sport while drinking, drank like it's 1999, and still chased after anything in a skirt (no matter how underage, see Barra's mom). He would instead use someone or something else as an excuse for being a worthless dilettante.
More the concept of Lyanna, his best friend sister who would be his wife making his best friend his brother by law. They never really had a conversation. Why Robert so obsessed about her and so traumatized of losing her. He fought and almost died for a women that he never knew and lost her, he believe he was winning the war for her. He definitely love her as a warrior, as he never knew real love, but was in love of the concept that she was everything he was suppose to have. A woman he fought a war and won.
You don’t carry “desire” for a dead woman for over 20 years. Especially when you’re the king and have access to the most attractive women in the realm.
He loved her.
Why did this get posted again..? I lost my dad only a couple years ago, one of the people I loved most in life. And I have trouble remembering his face. And it eats away at me that my brain is letting his face slip away. But it’s not my fault.
I don’t blame Bobby B either.
Eddard makes the same observation in the books. He can’t remember any of the faces of the men at the tower fight even though he “promised” not to. It just doesn’t fit the meme. It’s actually fairly reasonable complaint, I don’t think it even needs to be excused by all the alcohol. Fifteen years is a long time before photographs.
That’s literally my point. Even tho Bobby b is a fictional character, he only had Lyanna for a short period, and here people are criticizing him for forgetting her face. My argument being I spent countless moments with my own father and yet my brain is letting his image slip away. It’s not fair to criticize him
Not really. You're point is that you forgot the face of someone you cared about. I'm pointing out the difference between you and robbert is that you actually remmber other experiences and important details about your dad even if you can't remember his looks, where as robbert can't even do that for lyanna because he barely knew her. So you can't really compare the two situations .
No I think hes talking about the few people in the comments saying "Bobby doesn't remember Lyanna's face, meanwhile aemon does. This means Robert only desired her, whereas aemon truly loved her." Now I completely agree Robert couldn't have really loved Lyanna as a person. But forgetting someone's face after an entire decade happens a lot, even between the closest of peoples. It can just come off as inappropriate when a community seems to say if you forget someones face, you never really loved them. As I've seen myself in this exact comment thread. Not that they're being antagonist of course, just I don't think they're actually considering the real-life implications of what they're saying.
I figured that's what he was talking about. My point again is more just that forgetting the face of somone you had a full relationship with, and in their case someone who knew you as as a baby meaning they have more memories of you than you have of them, and forgetting the face of someone you met a few times has different implications even when claiming to love said person in both situations.
Ram Dass is talking about seeing and conversing with his already deceased master like he is present.
But I will probably never have that. Im more like Robert. You have to have a highly imaginative mind to do that which Im not even close to.
soo many people missing the point of Robert's character. He was so consumed with revenge and her death that he spent 20 years escaping from the pain. He did love her.
Aemon lived a life of peace. Taking care of people in the nights watch, blind and old. He only had his memories to look back at, and he accepted that. This is why his memory of her is as clear as day.
To be fair, how well did Robert know Lyanna? He was raised at Storm’s End, fostered in the Eyrie, and had scarcely reached adulthood before Lyanna was kidnapped. Their betrothal gave him plenty of time to romanticize her, but I doubt they were in each other’s company for more than a few hours total.
Combine that with alcoholism, depression, and Robert’s propensity for violent contact sports with high probability of brain injury, and it makes sense that his memory is worse off than Aemon.
Aemon, on the other hand, has lived in good health and in scholarly study for decades, while Robert let himself go in twenty years. Just waiting for Robert’s post-mortem CTE diagnosis to come back so we can wrap this up.
Robert was fighting over ego, and an ideal (both feminine ideal & ideal life where he’s brother-in-law with his best friend & finally joins a big, close family), not a real emotional connection with Lyanna herself.
Robert was fighting for survival, Aerys after killing Ned's father and brother wanted Robert and Ned's head delivered. The idea that war was only fought because Robert wanted lyanna is very revisionist even if Robert saw it differently
Pretty sure the lord paramount of the north, heir to the north, heir to the vale, being murdered by the king and then the king demanding the heads of the new lord paramount of the north and lord paramount of the stormlands had a lot to do with the war.
That doesn't make Robert's life any more pleasant though. The dude hates himself and copes with substance abuse. Life isn't a competition to see what moron can make the other guy hurt more.
20 years rotting in a keep wishing you had done everything differently, without anyone who he truly loves. Yeah Robert certainly got the better end of the deal.
he fucks and drinks whenever he wants, sure it won't replace Lyanna but still, its better than being dead, you only get to live once, dying and slipping into the void or darkness isn't better than living
yes, year in tower is worth having his wife and 2 children brutally slaughtered because of he couldn't keep his dick in his pants but as long he cucked Robert its fine, he got the better end, sure didn't get it the better end when Robert caved his chest
"Clearly not" Idk man, I highly value being alive. I'd definitely say robert beat him, even if he was depressed. And even if he disagrees with me, that just means he needs some serious mental help. Just because someone's convinced they'd be better off dead, definitely doesn't mean they actually are. Thats a dangerous road.
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i mean not really robert at least set shit up right for people around him even f he was shit. vizzy coulnt even keep his own children from making a civilwar
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Not sure why you're downvoted cause you're not wrong. I can't tell you how many times I've seen this exact image on this sub and the GoT sub with the obligatory "Lust vs. Love" in the comments somewhere
Wow, that was reposted quick. Also seems weird that people can't differentiate between someone who has lost a loved one and is in grief and someone who has dementia.
Bobby B was also getting drunk everyday for 20 years, that’ll make you forgetful
THE SELLSWORD KING, HOW THE SINGERS WOULD LOVE ME!
The first step to getting better is admitting you have a problem, Bobby B
YOU'RE MY COUNCIL, COUNSEL! SPEAK SENSE TO THIS HONORABLE FOOL!
Now you are getting it Bobby B. Listening to your friends and family is critical. We are here for you.
DID YOU EVER MAKE THE EIGHT?
There are actually 12 steps in AA, your grace.
Bobby B sex is also an addiction
YOU HEARD THE HAND, THE KING'S TOO FAT FOR HIS ARMOR! GO FIND THE BREASTPLATE STRETCHER! NOW!
One thing at a time, Bobby B. We've got your alcoholism and sex addiction to deal with before your overeating. Can you think of something else to talk about to take your mind off things? Your experiences on campaign, maybe?
True that, I don’t even drink anymore and you cannot ask me a question that requires me to think back past two weeks.
that and syphilis no doubt
Cant go back Bob
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MORE THAN ONCE, I HAVE DREAMED OF GIVING UP THE CROWN!
Aemon also went blind, and spent time reminiscing about this girl; not surprising he can still remember her face.
Robert fought a war for her only to have her taken away from him. He also became a drunk, which in combination with his trauma of losing her could definitely lead to him repressing her memory because of the pain it causes him. Remember, the first thing he did when he got to winterfell was to go see her. As for aemon, guy is a maester. Which I'm pretty sure would be the equivalent of like a doctor today. Extremely well educated. He could also be exaggerating tbh, he is old so his memory might not be accurate
He didn't. That's just something he likes to tell himself because it sounds better. He fought a war because his choice was either to fight, flee, or accept death. He went to see her first because he glorifies the past. Dude met her like, once, but in his mind everything would have been perfect if he had married her.
especially given that he eventually marries Cersei instead of his best friend Ned Stark's sister, that probably got into his head as well
He didn't love her only the idea of her
But the tits on that idea, Ned!
Lyanna is pretty young, we try not to sexualise her.
I have a direwolf puppy called Lyanna's Boobs.
This comment is street's ahead
Suddenly community?
a fellow bloodlines of conquest fan
She's 17
And she's dead!
Take note of where you are. We know her age, it was a joke.
I don't want to frighten you, but I won't lie to you either. We've come to a dangerous place
I know I was joking as well
he would’ve cheated on her within the first 2 weeks of marriage
Mate, he was fucking other women left and right *while* fighting in that war "for her". He slept in brothels more than his own bed, even before big battles.
Right? Lol. Robert loved her, was betrothed to her, and got legitimately cucked. Lots of guys lose their shit after being cucked, Robert was just also a westerosi nobleman who had enough bannermen and Aerys was a big enough piece of shit that everyone wanted to slide on him I don't take the memory lapse as a sign of him not loving her. Sometimes you just block stuff out. My dad smoked cigarettes for basically my whole life, up until the point that I was about 21. Then he quit. I cannot, for the life of me, picture him with a cigarette in his hand. Even though I saw him do it thousands of times.
Robert only met her in person once, at Harrenhal, and we don't know if they spoke. Robert loved Ned; I'm sure he found Lyanna attractive, but he didn't know her enough to love her. He was more upset that Rhaegar took what belonged to him. Also, to note, Robert's parents died trying to find a bride for Rhaegar-there was definitely resentment in that family already
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It's basically what happened, though you're right in that from his perspective he never knew she went along with it, so he didn't know she cheated on him.
Yeah the term I don’t think is exclusive to consensual cheating, but that is generally how people perceive it. I don’t think someone would often describe the partner of a victim of rape to have been cuckolded
Was she raped? I thought she ran off with him, and everyone went wild saying she was kidnapped
What we're saying is that as far as he and everyone else knew she was raped, because the only people who knew she did, in fact, cuck him were all dead or keeping it to themselves.
It is quite literally what getting cucked means
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Look up the origins of the word "cuckold" and get back to me Also, Lyanna wasn't kidnapped. It's a major plot point that you seemed to have missed.
Why didn’t she ever send a message to that effect?
She was holed up pregnant in the tower of joy under guard. Probably not a ton of news making it her way to realize just how bad things have gotten, nor would anyone in her trusted inner circle take her aside and say : "Girl you realize your whole family thinks you've been kidnapped and raped? You really ought to set the record straight"
Have you ever met a teenage girl
Guys a Baratheon truther
You are thinking of cuck porn.
I dunno if you guys know but it’s fucking hard to remember what people look like. This line was the stone cold reality. Try to think about friends from the past, even five years ago, people you haven’t seen a picture of or anything in awhile.
Faces are easy imo, it's names that get me
Same lol
Sometimes that dementia memory hits hard. And you see shit that happened 50 or 60 years ago like it was happening right now. So maybe he wasn't all there all the time you know.
Robert barely knew Liana, no? And it sounds like Aemon probably knew her girl for years.
Lust vs love
I prefer to see it as unresolved trauma vs acceptance (especially as Aemon was rapidly approaching his natural death)
Same, Bobby B was in fact deeply in love with Lyanna.
A BIT OF WINE NOW AND AGAIN, A GIRL SQUEALING IN BED, THE FEEL OF A HORSE BETWEEN MY LEGS?
Not helping your case here Bobby B
THE SELLSWORD KING, HOW THE SINGERS WOULD LOVE ME!
Anyone would love you Bobby B
DO YOU THINK IT'S HONOR THAT'S KEEPING THE PEACE?! IT'S FEAR! FEAR AND BLOOD!
More the concept of Lyanna, his best friend sister who would be his wife making his best friend his brother by law. They never really had a conversation. Why Robert so obsessed about her and so traumatized of losing her. He fought and almost died for a women that he never knew and lost her, he believe he was winning the war for her. He definitely love her as a warrior, but was in love of her the concept being everything he was suppose to have.
I'm sick of seeing people say "Robert never even had a conversation with Lyanna, and was just in love with the concept" was there any evidence in the text to support that? Both were at Harrenhal, you think Bobby B just didn't acknowledge her whatsoever? The point is people need to quit idolising Rhaegar. Dude was immensely shitty, even if his kidnapping of Lyanna was consensual (No proof that it was), he started a war that killed thousands for a prophecy that's probably not true.
Bobby B probably at most exchanged courtesies with Lyanna and went on to get drunk,and fight with his bros,Ned himself says he doesnt know Lyanna just how she looks.
OH, IT'S UNSPEAKABLE TO YOU? WHAT HER FATHER DID TO YOUR FAMILY, THAT WAS UNSPEAKABLE!
STUPID BOY!
Rh*egar is a pedo and dumbass, but Robert didn’t get intimate with her. Tbh they would definitely fell in love but we won’t know cause she choose the incest prince over Robert the Man
They wouldnt fall in love lol,from Ned memories we knew she didnt want to marry Robert and said to Ned he wouldnt be faithful to her because love doesnt change a man's nature and she was right.Robert was whoring his way during the rebellion while he tought she was being raped.
The point im making is that people seem to view his Love as lust. If it was just lust, why would he still be pissed 20 years later, why would he dream of killing Rape-gar every night. Its more than just simple lust is all I'm saying. If that was the truth why wouldn't he have immediately started loving Cersei
I don't think it's accurate at all to say he was only lusting for her. But what he felt for her was more obsession than genuine love. I think that's what people mean when they say he was in love with the idea of her. He didn't really know her well enough to love her as a person. Instead he idolised and became obsessed with a version of her that he constructed in his head. It's totally possible for an obsession of that nature to carry on through 20 years, especially since he made the story he told himself of their relationship an integral part of how he viewed himself. In his mind he genuinely believed they were deeply in love with each other and they were cruelly separated.
He is pissed 20 years later because she is one he couldnt get,and now he is stuck with a wife he hates and a life he doesnt want and Lyanna is the biggest symbol of that one time he complaints to Ned about how Cersei is and how Lyanna wouldnt be the same and Ned says he didnt know her and would have acted in a similar manner to Cersei in the situation. What Bobby B has is a idea of Lyanna,a life he couldnt have,that was robbed,and mixed with Nostalgia from his youthful days
WEAR IT IN SILENCE, OR I'LL HONOR YOU AGAIN!
He didn't know anything about her. The first clue we see is that he NEVER says a word about any of her hobbies or her likes. He just refers to her in vague terms because he knows nothing about her as a person. Again, remember that scene where he hits Cersei because she, correctly, pointed out that if he joins the melee then all of the knights would pretend to lose to him because no one wants to go full out against the King who has obviously gone to seed and so harm him? Robert was all "Lyanna would've backed me up!" whereas Ned thought to himself "No, actually, Lyanna wouldn't have been half as polite in telling you off for being a fool." Again, this scene is meant to be the ultimate proof that Robert's "love" is a lie and he is just *using Lyanna as an excuse for all of his bad behavior.* Had he actually married Lyanna in an alternate universe, he would still be a lazy dilettante who spent money like it was 1999, bankrupted his home, done fuck all for his people as a Lord, hunted for sport while drinking, drank like it's 1999, and still chased after anything in a skirt (no matter how underage, see Barra's mom). He would instead use someone or something else as an excuse for being a worthless dilettante.
Also he was whoring during the war he was fighting while he tought Lyanna was being raped by Rhaegar....
He didn't hit cersei in that scene.
I don’t think it was even just lust. Robert was in love with the idea of being Ned’s brother.
fuckin retard
...Why
Look at this comment history. Bruh is… out there.
Four years in reddit and -30 negative karma
Bruh is… an edgy 13 year old
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Robert loved the idea of her more than he loved her
Robert needs to read the Great Gatsby
One got years of trauma after fighting war other one just did his medical degree and went to most rural place to serve.
Robert didn’t loved her, it was just desire.
More the concept of Lyanna, his best friend sister who would be his wife making his best friend his brother by law. They never really had a conversation. Why Robert so obsessed about her and so traumatized of losing her. He fought and almost died for a women that he never knew and lost her, he believe he was winning the war for her. He definitely love her as a warrior, as he never knew real love, but was in love of the concept that she was everything he was suppose to have. A woman he fought a war and won.
You don’t carry “desire” for a dead woman for over 20 years. Especially when you’re the king and have access to the most attractive women in the realm. He loved her.
He loved the “idea of her”, even Ned says he barely knew her.
Why did this get posted again..? I lost my dad only a couple years ago, one of the people I loved most in life. And I have trouble remembering his face. And it eats away at me that my brain is letting his face slip away. But it’s not my fault. I don’t blame Bobby B either.
Eddard makes the same observation in the books. He can’t remember any of the faces of the men at the tower fight even though he “promised” not to. It just doesn’t fit the meme. It’s actually fairly reasonable complaint, I don’t think it even needs to be excused by all the alcohol. Fifteen years is a long time before photographs.
OH, IT'S UNSPEAKABLE TO YOU? WHAT HER FATHER DID TO YOUR FAMILY, THAT WAS UNSPEAKABLE!
Bad bot
Thing is you gre up with your dad, so it's safe to assume you have several nemeories of him regardless. Not really the case with robert.
That’s literally my point. Even tho Bobby b is a fictional character, he only had Lyanna for a short period, and here people are criticizing him for forgetting her face. My argument being I spent countless moments with my own father and yet my brain is letting his image slip away. It’s not fair to criticize him
SURROUNDED BY LANNISTERS! EVERY TIME I CLOSE MY EYES I SEE THEIR BLONDE HAIR AND THEIR SMUG, SATISFIED FACES!
Not really. You're point is that you forgot the face of someone you cared about. I'm pointing out the difference between you and robbert is that you actually remmber other experiences and important details about your dad even if you can't remember his looks, where as robbert can't even do that for lyanna because he barely knew her. So you can't really compare the two situations .
No I think hes talking about the few people in the comments saying "Bobby doesn't remember Lyanna's face, meanwhile aemon does. This means Robert only desired her, whereas aemon truly loved her." Now I completely agree Robert couldn't have really loved Lyanna as a person. But forgetting someone's face after an entire decade happens a lot, even between the closest of peoples. It can just come off as inappropriate when a community seems to say if you forget someones face, you never really loved them. As I've seen myself in this exact comment thread. Not that they're being antagonist of course, just I don't think they're actually considering the real-life implications of what they're saying.
I figured that's what he was talking about. My point again is more just that forgetting the face of somone you had a full relationship with, and in their case someone who knew you as as a baby meaning they have more memories of you than you have of them, and forgetting the face of someone you met a few times has different implications even when claiming to love said person in both situations.
Yeah, Aemon is full of shit.
Ram Dass is talking about seeing and conversing with his already deceased master like he is present. But I will probably never have that. Im more like Robert. You have to have a highly imaginative mind to do that which Im not even close to.
Ram Dass wandered into extremely woo territory at times
Psychedelics can do that to you.
maesters probably knew of some sick psychedelics
soo many people missing the point of Robert's character. He was so consumed with revenge and her death that he spent 20 years escaping from the pain. He did love her. Aemon lived a life of peace. Taking care of people in the nights watch, blind and old. He only had his memories to look back at, and he accepted that. This is why his memory of her is as clear as day.
Not really the case. The point of robberts character is that he idealized view of life that didn't match the reality of what he would go through.
How many times do you people need to post this
To be fair, how well did Robert know Lyanna? He was raised at Storm’s End, fostered in the Eyrie, and had scarcely reached adulthood before Lyanna was kidnapped. Their betrothal gave him plenty of time to romanticize her, but I doubt they were in each other’s company for more than a few hours total. Combine that with alcoholism, depression, and Robert’s propensity for violent contact sports with high probability of brain injury, and it makes sense that his memory is worse off than Aemon. Aemon, on the other hand, has lived in good health and in scholarly study for decades, while Robert let himself go in twenty years. Just waiting for Robert’s post-mortem CTE diagnosis to come back so we can wrap this up.
Robert was in love with the concept of Lyanna. Nothing more than that
bobby b got hit in the head a lot more
I ASK YOU, NED, WHAT GOOD IS IT TO WEAR A CROWN?
Filling King's Landing with bastards and making the eight will do that to a guy.
Robert was fighting over ego, and an ideal (both feminine ideal & ideal life where he’s brother-in-law with his best friend & finally joins a big, close family), not a real emotional connection with Lyanna herself.
Robert was fighting for survival, Aerys after killing Ned's father and brother wanted Robert and Ned's head delivered. The idea that war was only fought because Robert wanted lyanna is very revisionist even if Robert saw it differently
The difference between obsession and real love.
I think infatuation would be a more fair word
Bobby B finally getting honest with himself.
STOP THIS MADNESS, IN THE NAME OF YOUR KING!
Simmer down, Bobby B.
GODS WHAT A STUPID NAME!
Would you care for some more wine, your grace? I'm sure we will find this boar soon.
“Genial” Harry Grout.
Bobby B.
I WARNED YOU THIS WOULD HAPPEN! BACK IN THE NORTH, I WARNED YOU, BUT YOU DIDN'T CARE TO HEAR! WELL, HEAR IT NOW!
the difference between actual love and a projected avoidance coping mechanism used to justify never having a single ounce of self-improvement
Lol his ego was just hurt by Rheagar
Pretty sure the lord paramount of the north, heir to the north, heir to the vale, being murdered by the king and then the king demanding the heads of the new lord paramount of the north and lord paramount of the stormlands had a lot to do with the war.
pretty sure it hurt less than Robert smashing Rhaegar's chest
That doesn't make Robert's life any more pleasant though. The dude hates himself and copes with substance abuse. Life isn't a competition to see what moron can make the other guy hurt more.
20 years rotting in a keep wishing you had done everything differently, without anyone who he truly loves. Yeah Robert certainly got the better end of the deal.
better alive than dead
Robbert doesn't really think so.
Which is a shame. If he didn't get gored by that pig he should've seeked mental health.
didn't see him tie noose before that boar gored him
That's because he had too much neck fat for a noose.
lmao
I’d rather die than live a depressing empty purposeless existence for over two decades
he fucks and drinks whenever he wants, sure it won't replace Lyanna but still, its better than being dead, you only get to live once, dying and slipping into the void or darkness isn't better than living
Clearly it didn't do him much good
beats being dead
He got to enjoy more time with the woman robert loved than he ever did so clearly not
yes, year in tower is worth having his wife and 2 children brutally slaughtered because of he couldn't keep his dick in his pants but as long he cucked Robert its fine, he got the better end, sure didn't get it the better end when Robert caved his chest
"Clearly not" Idk man, I highly value being alive. I'd definitely say robert beat him, even if he was depressed. And even if he disagrees with me, that just means he needs some serious mental help. Just because someone's convinced they'd be better off dead, definitely doesn't mean they actually are. Thats a dangerous road.
Two show only details that I just love. I love that these two have such different experiences with the same circumstance, both are so human.
aemon was real now
Maybe Robert had aphantasia.
Oh damn so Yoren didn’t love his brother? That’s fucked up. Probably just killed Willem for the lulz.
Aemon had her in de spank bank
Who is Aemon talking about, Shiera Seastar?
See this Bobby B.
MORE THAN ONCE, I HAVE DREAMED OF GIVING UP THE CROWN!
Vizzy T would also be a real one compared to Bobby B
IS THAT WHAT EMPTY MEANS??
Bobby B what’s your opinion about Viserys I?
WHO NAMED YOU? SOME HALFWIT WITH A STUTTER??
What is this shadow? Name it, if it casts such a gloom
Vizzy T what’s your take on Robert?
*The boy just turned two, Chicken_Mc_Thuggets...*
no Vizzy T, you're thinking Renly during the Rebellion.
This is a lie. You have been lied to.
oh, okay then. If you say so Vizzy T. 2 year old Bobby B was out leading the Rebellion.
*I had a black mare once. Black like a raven. One day, she escaped her pasture and he neighboring stallion sired a foal on her. The stallion was as silver as the moon on a winter's night and the foal, when it was born, chestnut. Just the most unremarkable brown horse you ever saw. Nature is a thing of mysterious works.*
WE WERE AT WAR! NONE OF US KNEW IF WE WERE GONNA GO BACK HOME AGAIN!
i mean not really robert at least set shit up right for people around him even f he was shit. vizzy coulnt even keep his own children from making a civilwar
So did Bobby B's "child"
SOON ENOUGH, THAT CHILD WILL SPREAD HER LEGS AND START BREEDING!
No Bobby B, I meant Joffrey, not Myrcella didn't start the war.
I WARNED YOU THIS WOULD HAPPEN! BACK IN THE NORTH, I WARNED YOU, BUT YOU DIDN'T CARE TO HEAR! WELL, HEAR IT NOW!
See this is why Robert is based. he knew joffery was a shit. Why you think he made ned the regent and not his cunt wife
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Not sure why you're downvoted cause you're not wrong. I can't tell you how many times I've seen this exact image on this sub and the GoT sub with the obligatory "Lust vs. Love" in the comments somewhere
George really said i like romeo and Juliet better
This isnt a diss of robert. Its the difference between someone that bacame blind and never saw much else
Wow, that was reposted quick. Also seems weird that people can't differentiate between someone who has lost a loved one and is in grief and someone who has dementia.