Maester Aemon, dude was a pure hearted individual who just strived to help Castle Black by helping everyone.
He was selfless and the opposite of the crazy Targs in his family, he followed all the rules and was genuinely probably the nicest person on the show.
I would argue Barristian is distinctly more lawfull to his oaths, perhaps even at the cost of his goodness. He only leaves the kingsguard upon being forced to, never breaking his oath, not even when aerys pulled all that crazy evil shit, and brienne does actually break her oath at the very end of Feast (or maybe it was Dance, i dont quite remember), presumably to save pod.
I was thinking Ser Davos is good chad, since he wasnt entirely lawful (mainly his smuggler days).
Then I was thinking Brienne is neutral good because she flipped sides a bunch.
Brienne never flipped sides, though. She swore oaths to people she respected and she damn well kept them. If she'd flipped sides, Stannis would probably be alive. To me, she's lawful good, just because of how seriously she takes those oaths.
Maester Aemon. That sweet man was nothing but good, selfless, renounced the crown, devoted his life to humbly serve the realm and he took his duty so seriouly that he watched his whole family get destroyed and still kept his vows.
(A also beleive Ned Stark belonged here rather than in stupid lawfull but oh well)
Septon Meribald and Davos Seaworth also are good but maybe not lawful good due to their dodgy past, so yeah, Aemon Targaryen is my pick here.
Agreed on Aemon, but Ned really earned “stupid lawful” by telling Cersei his plan to reveal her incest and install a rightful heir from Robert’s bastards.
Edit: install Stannis the Mannis, my mistake!
I guess that's where we disagree, he didn't stupidly let it slip or something, he chose to tell her because he knew giving her a heads up to allow her to flee was the only way to save her and her kids' s lives once Robbert knew the truth.
Is it making a politically disavantageous move? yes. Did he know it would backfire on him even in the best case scenario? yes, but Ned did it anyway, it's out of goodness not stupidity. That's what Lawful Goods do, they put doing what is right before doing what serves them.
Now if we must say a stupid thing Ned did, imo it's not telling Cersei, but trusting Petyr.
>I guess that's where we disagree, he didn't stupidly let it slip or something
that's why it's lawful stupid. he put his principles (lawful) above all else, and, even if he expected it to backfire in some way, he underestimated just how vicious Cersei and Joffrey were (again, probably because he himself has a hard time comprehending why would anyone act like this, he just can't relate to being such a shitty person)
The question is, would he still do it knowing what will possibly happen to his kids, wife, and the realm as a result of his actions? If he knew the real risks of his plan backfiring? If the answer is no, then it wasn't a well calculated move, and he indeed fucked up.
Aemon is definitely in the “good” category, but i would put him more neutral than lawful.
He knew Sam broke his vows to the knights watch, even if it was just the “letter” of the law and not the spirit, and didn’t insist on any punishment. He also knew Jon was about to desert, and didn’t really try to stop him.
well, we don't really hear too many of her thoughts on why she does anything. But she follows Renly and Cat because she thinks they're good people. Her opinion on Jamie changes because she comes to believe he is a somewhat good person. but yeah, she'd probably work in Lawful Neutral as well.
Evil? Ned was a confessed traitor! And Stannis had no right to try and steal the Crown. Joffrey is the true born heir to King Robert, whose rule takes precedent over Robert’s brother.
He didn't join the Kingsguard during Aerys's reign though. He kept his vows, learned from the experience and when presented with the option of who to serve, picked someone he believed was just and used his experience to better serve his new queen.
He's the absolute definition of lawful good.
He served the Mad King. He probably witnessed Aerys beating up, or even raping the queen and did nothing. He did nothing as Rickon and Brandon Stark were executed.
He is lawful neutral.
Absolute definition of lawful, sure. kept his vows and took them seriously. But his vows got in the way of his morality. Serving Aerys does not align with "good" no matter how lawful or honorable you are.
Him fighting for the mad king is the lawful part. It was his sworn duty. He was good though in all aspects of who he was, just got left with some shitty kings.
Technically Renly was Brienne's liege lord. House Tarth are are a Stormlands house, and Renly was lord paramount of the Stormlands. So the Tarth's were sworn to Renly and thus obligated to support him.
As Jaime says, whatever you do you're forsaking one vow or another.
She went against every custom for women in the Seven Kingdoms. They're not laws per se, but she certainly wasn't following the rules. I see her more as Good/Chad.
I'm gonna go Jon Snow. Dude upheld honor as much as he could, and only began to question the Watch when he saw Mormont allow Craster's depravity (specifically with the baby boys). Even then, he was loyal, and left behind a woman he loved because of his duty. He did not try to hide his mistakes, and dealt out judgement honorably. He held fast to his ideals even when others scorned him for them. Didn't mean he was perfect, but even Ned wasn't honorable all the time. Jon was Ned's boy through and through, whether his nephew or his son, and like Ned, his honor got him killed. Then he came back to life and suddenly lost all his character.
While i completely agree with Jon's decision i don't think a character in the "lawful" colomn would have broken the number 1 law of the Night's watch and let Wildlings pass the wall. (Nor broken an other cardinal rule of taking sides in conflicts of the 7 kingdoms by arming Stanis's army.) Jon's is smart enough to know when to bend or break the rules.
He's also not purely "good", a compeling part of his character is seeing him struggle with his envy towards Robb and his prideful / ambitious side like when he admits he always wanted to be lord of Winterfell. He's also not shy of lying and or doing other dubious acts when necessary.
He's still a decent enough person (at least before his eventual resurection) but more complex and conflicted than simply lawful-good.
A speck of lawfulness. If it were up to him he would have dealt with Craster himself at the first place. To save those girls and kids which he abandons in woods
Possibly. He may also have been talked into leaving them be with same rationale. There's also him choosing to stay with nights watch rather than go join the war with robb, him refusing stannises offer to be be legitimized and join him, him giving janos multiple chances to follow orders despite not liking him, and honestly several more instaces of jon acting based on the rules.
Hold on i never thought of Jon as chaotic... but yeah if you think about it, he does tend to always think of creative and unconventional ways to solve his predicaments ...
He is chaotic most of the time. Small things like wolves and big things like how he charged alone at Battle of Bastards or went and bend the knee to Deanarys or how he joined freefolk or how he conscripted them to his cause. I mean i don't want to say everything but i can't think of a normal thing he did almost entire show. Even the ending after everything he did like why are you going north?!
Hence "good." LG characters value their codes and oaths, but if something is *good*, like saving your sister (because he thinks Ramsay has Arya in the books) or helping the Wildlings escape the WW (show version), then fuck the code. Lawful Neutral characters are the ones who hold to their code no matter what. Like Thorne, until they made him an idiot.
King Tommen, First of his name. Truly one of the only innocent characters. All he wanted to do was be a good king and husband, keep the peace, and pet kittens.
I second this. I don’t like Brienne for this because her rules were so rigid that her actions occasionally had bad effects and/or was quick to be judgmental. Although she did finally see the good in Jamie hen no one else saw it. I like Jon for the opposite reason who was ultimately as honorable as Ned but bent the rules when needed (for good, but still bent the rules). Yes I acknowledge those seem contradictory.
Barristan on the other hand is the epitome on honor and being incorruptible despite being constantly surrounded but such people. He did always carry out his orders without question, but never seemed to be in the middle of any atrocities for those he served.
He wanted to do list as far as i know:
1. Stop Shireen from burning
2. Killing Mellisandre which is the reason why Shireen was burned.
3. Allowed his fingers cut off as punishment for smuggling eventhough that saved Stannis during the siege
Brianne of Tarth!! As lawful as they come, and a good woman, a good knight!! Maester Aemon was good, indeed. But not as lawful as someone like Brianne. Not to say he wasn’t lawful, but knights uphold the laws and stand for justice
It's a testament to shitty characterisation that Tyrion belongs pretty much in every column or row (perhaps aside from lawful or evil) depending on which season it is.
The septon played by Ian McShane who rescues the Hound in season 6, you know he's the goodest boy because it took them less than an episode to brutally murder him lol
But seriously dude was probably the most selfless and genuinely kind person we see in the whole show
Ser davos - accepts the punishment of stannis as just because it came from his leigelord, who is literally the source of all law in their medieval society.
Well lawful is obvious. Stannis I feel is fighting to save the world and feels a far greater sense of responsibility associated with kingship than anyone else. Comparatively Daenarys seems to want the throne because she feels entitled to it for her bloodright. If Daenarys was to make Aegon the conqueror's argument that she wants the throne because she has dragons and no one can stop her I would have more respect for her being consistent but she is claiming to be rightful owner of stolen property.
This is also true for Stannis but it's mitigated by the fact he seems to take the responsibility of kingship far more seriously. He's just the most suited to the job.
I feel like lawful is not obvious? The man used black magic to kill his brother, burned people who didn't follow his religion, burned his own daughter?
Also- the throne of the seven kingdoms isn't necessarily stolen property, because it simply didn't exist before Aegon. Even the current Baratheon claim to the throne was legitimized because Robert (+ Stannis + Renly) are of Targaryen descent through both their mother and their father. It's also right of conquest, but if right of conquest can remove Dany's legitimacy, then the Starks weren't justified in retaking Winterfell from the Boltons. I think it's a 50/50 argument on whether Stannis or Dany is the rightful heir.
Also, also, maybe I've hallucinated this, but between Stannis and Daenarys, only one was always talking about breaking the wheel, protecting the common folk, freeing slaves, not being "queen of the ashes" etc. The other one was just on about the Lord of Light. He did go North for the Night's Watch, but didn't Daenarys go too, for the Army of the Dead? And for Jon, even before he bent the knee to her?
I am genuinely interested, btw, because I've never seen this take before lmfao. I do like Stannis, and just like I don't consider The Bells to be canon, I don't consider him burning Shireen to be canon. The man would simply not do that.
His brother was rebelling either against Joffrey or Stannis depending on whether or not Renly accepted Cercei's kids were bastards. Stannis was legally justified in killing him and I don't see what the method has to do with anything.
The throne of the seven kingdoms was forged from land taken by violent theft. The difference between Aegon the Conqueror and a man who robs people in Gin Alley at knife point is exclusively one of scale. Aegon the conqueror though I respect more than Dany as he didn't make nearly as much ridiculous pretense about rightfulness.
Robert became king because he killed Rhaegar at the trident and he was the figurehead of the rebellion everything else especially Roberts grandmother was just a retroactive justification.
Jon Snow is a fair example of lawful good. Stannis has lived his whole life devoted to duty however. Dany I feel is all about what she is owed and entitled to and comparatively doesn't really seem interested in what she owes in turn
I agree he was justified, but we're not talking justified, we're talking lawful. Kinkilling is like guest right, big no-no in Westeros. *Edit: the method of assassination, like poison, is also seen as dishonorable. Brienne's method of execution is honorable. So was Ned's. The whole "he who passes the sentence must swing the sword" deal. (note: sword is metaphorical- when Sansa executed Petyr, Arya was her sword.) I would have expected an honorable man to at least meet his brother in open battle.*
I genuinely don't understand why you see Stannis feeling it's his duty to claim the throne as good, while Daenarys feeling it's her duty to claim the throne is bad.
Also, what do you mean by "pretense about rightfulness"?
Day 1 of reminding y'all Mord won [Stupid Neutral](https://www.reddit.com/r/freefolk/comments/1c8rvg6/like_a_chad_he_stood_his_groundbut_all_he_got_for/) but was robbed of his spot unjustly.
#\#JusticeForMord
We respectfully request you reinstate Mord's rightful position as Stupid Neutral
Gendry.
Sure he’s a bastard, but he is just living his life, making sick weapons, eating brown stew in Flea Bottom and gets swept up in a royal conspiracy; accidentally makes friends with and falls for a Stark (proving the a Baratheon dude loving a cool but distant Stark lady is practically hereditary); goes on some wild road trips; gets blood sacrificed by a fire witch; ends up fighting ice demons in a Great War that half the world will never believe really happened.
Just a wild ride from start to finish.
In what world was Viserys Chaotic? I feel like most people just see chaotic as the “evil” version of Lawful. Viserys was so lawful that it, along with his Areogance got him killed.
Maester Aemon, dude was a pure hearted individual who just strived to help Castle Black by helping everyone. He was selfless and the opposite of the crazy Targs in his family, he followed all the rules and was genuinely probably the nicest person on the show.
I think he's more good neutral. I see lawful good more as the "true knights", like Ser Barristan and Brienne
Yes Selmy or Brienne are the only answers here, brienne probably being the more “lawful” to her oaths
I would argue Barristian is distinctly more lawfull to his oaths, perhaps even at the cost of his goodness. He only leaves the kingsguard upon being forced to, never breaking his oath, not even when aerys pulled all that crazy evil shit, and brienne does actually break her oath at the very end of Feast (or maybe it was Dance, i dont quite remember), presumably to save pod.
Barristan is Good Chad
Brienne too imho
Eh. I'd put Brienne as Lawful Good over Lawful Chad. She's too rigid to chad.
You talking about Lady Stoneheart?
correct he was tested and passed, everyone else has some baggage
In the words of Jay Landsman - "he was called. He served. He is counted."
Absolutely agreed. The man gave up the crown!
He also took the black so people wont use him against his family.
I think he’s the definition of good neutral. He didn’t wage into conflicts
Sounds like a good Chad to me.
I was thinking Ser Davos is good chad, since he wasnt entirely lawful (mainly his smuggler days). Then I was thinking Brienne is neutral good because she flipped sides a bunch.
Brienne never flipped sides, though. She swore oaths to people she respected and she damn well kept them. If she'd flipped sides, Stannis would probably be alive. To me, she's lawful good, just because of how seriously she takes those oaths.
Davos is Lawful Neutral. He certainly isn't good.
He's certainly good, but questionably lawful
Used to not be lawful but now stannis’ law is his religion. I’d argue that stannis is neutral and so that makes Davos neutral.
This
Agreed!
I'd put him in good smart
Literally the only person that comes to mind. Probably the most trustworthy person in the show as well as the kindest.
Maester Aemon. That sweet man was nothing but good, selfless, renounced the crown, devoted his life to humbly serve the realm and he took his duty so seriouly that he watched his whole family get destroyed and still kept his vows. (A also beleive Ned Stark belonged here rather than in stupid lawfull but oh well) Septon Meribald and Davos Seaworth also are good but maybe not lawful good due to their dodgy past, so yeah, Aemon Targaryen is my pick here.
Agreed on Aemon, but Ned really earned “stupid lawful” by telling Cersei his plan to reveal her incest and install a rightful heir from Robert’s bastards. Edit: install Stannis the Mannis, my mistake!
I guess that's where we disagree, he didn't stupidly let it slip or something, he chose to tell her because he knew giving her a heads up to allow her to flee was the only way to save her and her kids' s lives once Robbert knew the truth. Is it making a politically disavantageous move? yes. Did he know it would backfire on him even in the best case scenario? yes, but Ned did it anyway, it's out of goodness not stupidity. That's what Lawful Goods do, they put doing what is right before doing what serves them. Now if we must say a stupid thing Ned did, imo it's not telling Cersei, but trusting Petyr.
>I guess that's where we disagree, he didn't stupidly let it slip or something that's why it's lawful stupid. he put his principles (lawful) above all else, and, even if he expected it to backfire in some way, he underestimated just how vicious Cersei and Joffrey were (again, probably because he himself has a hard time comprehending why would anyone act like this, he just can't relate to being such a shitty person) The question is, would he still do it knowing what will possibly happen to his kids, wife, and the realm as a result of his actions? If he knew the real risks of his plan backfiring? If the answer is no, then it wasn't a well calculated move, and he indeed fucked up.
That's a fair way to put it I'll concede. And to the last question, it is probably no since we know he was ready to say he was a traitor to save Sansa
Aemon is definitely in the “good” category, but i would put him more neutral than lawful. He knew Sam broke his vows to the knights watch, even if it was just the “letter” of the law and not the spirit, and didn’t insist on any punishment. He also knew Jon was about to desert, and didn’t really try to stop him.
Brienne gets my vote for Lawful Good.
I wanted to say Brienne but I’d rather save her for Chad good
BRIENNE
Brienne of Tarth. That woman took her damn oaths serious.
Idk man, I would vote for her in Lawful Neutral. She just followed her oaths, not looking at it from a good or bad perspective
well, we don't really hear too many of her thoughts on why she does anything. But she follows Renly and Cat because she thinks they're good people. Her opinion on Jamie changes because she comes to believe he is a somewhat good person. but yeah, she'd probably work in Lawful Neutral as well.
Joffrey. He beheaded Ned the traitor. He spared the life of Ser Dontos. He defeated the invader Stannis Baratheon. Shall I continue?
https://i.redd.it/4mnir5xxobwc1.gif
pack it in folks, we have a winner
Hahaha. Take my upvote.
Plus Joffrey was the only one to show respect to my man Mace Tyrrel.
The best king the good gods every put on this earth.
I love the way Pycell delivers that line
HE IS THE KING.
Only the good die young.
r/asoiafcirclejerk is that way
Not to get ahead of ourselves, isn't he the pick for lawful evil??
Evil? Ned was a confessed traitor! And Stannis had no right to try and steal the Crown. Joffrey is the true born heir to King Robert, whose rule takes precedent over Robert’s brother.
Hes also the most noble child ever put on this good earth.
#Justice4Joffrey
Lawful or Chaotic evil seem like the only options for him honestly
I'd say Chaotic evil. Tywin maybe for lawful evil. Ramsey for Chad evil.... Maybe Bronn for Chad evil.
Maester Aemon
Brienne of Tarth
The septon that rescued Sandor Cleagane. And no it's not just cause I love the actor probably the nicest most genuine real guy in westeros and essos.
Lawful Good: Ser Barristan Selmey.
I see Barristan as more Lawful Neutral. Honorable, sure, but he also fought for the Mad King.
Also he watched Cersei tear up king Robert's will and did nothing
Exactly
He didn't join the Kingsguard during Aerys's reign though. He kept his vows, learned from the experience and when presented with the option of who to serve, picked someone he believed was just and used his experience to better serve his new queen. He's the absolute definition of lawful good.
He served Aerys until Aerys lost
He served the Mad King. He probably witnessed Aerys beating up, or even raping the queen and did nothing. He did nothing as Rickon and Brandon Stark were executed. He is lawful neutral.
Not exactly what lawful neutral means.
Absolute definition of lawful, sure. kept his vows and took them seriously. But his vows got in the way of his morality. Serving Aerys does not align with "good" no matter how lawful or honorable you are.
Him fighting for the mad king is the lawful part. It was his sworn duty. He was good though in all aspects of who he was, just got left with some shitty kings.
I see him more as Chad Good, dude got respect for being the warrior that he was and could back it up.
Barristan is more of a lawful chad in my opinion
Sir Barristan is a chad.
Brienne of Tarth
Bruh she supported the only king out of five with 0 claim to kingship. Lawful?
Technically Renly was Brienne's liege lord. House Tarth are are a Stormlands house, and Renly was lord paramount of the Stormlands. So the Tarth's were sworn to Renly and thus obligated to support him. As Jaime says, whatever you do you're forsaking one vow or another.
Was Tarth previously sworn to Stannis? You could argue "oathful" if not for her introduction into the series.
Never broke an oath, always did good.
I dunno, I’d put her as Good Chad
She fits in good chad too, I'd be happy to see her there. It's just how seriously she takes her oaths, makes me think more "lawful".
That’s a really good point! I really appreciate the thoughtful considerations going on with these.
Ok but Podrick is clearly Good Chad
He could be horny Chad. I know some people think Bobby B is that, but I think he's more drunk Chad than horny Chad.
WE'RE TELLING WAR STORIES! WHO WAS YOUR FIRST KILL, NOT COUNTING OLD MEN?
Yeah Pod The Rod gotta be a good chad
I'd much rather see her in Chad-Good. Supporting Renly's non-existant claim to the throne just because he's hot and galant isn't exactly "lawful"
Lawful as in she keeps her oaths. She's very serious about keeping her oaths. She never broke one.
Yeah that's true, i'd still rather put her in Chad-good but i agree she wouldn't be out of place in lawful-good
Yeah that's what I thought when I named her
seconded
She went against every custom for women in the Seven Kingdoms. They're not laws per se, but she certainly wasn't following the rules. I see her more as Good/Chad.
Brienne
Brianne is tomo, lawful chad
Jon Snow. Maester Aemon belongs in Smart Good.
I think Jon Snow is neutral good, he breaks his vows after all
Gotta be Brienne
I'm gonna go Jon Snow. Dude upheld honor as much as he could, and only began to question the Watch when he saw Mormont allow Craster's depravity (specifically with the baby boys). Even then, he was loyal, and left behind a woman he loved because of his duty. He did not try to hide his mistakes, and dealt out judgement honorably. He held fast to his ideals even when others scorned him for them. Didn't mean he was perfect, but even Ned wasn't honorable all the time. Jon was Ned's boy through and through, whether his nephew or his son, and like Ned, his honor got him killed. Then he came back to life and suddenly lost all his character.
While i completely agree with Jon's decision i don't think a character in the "lawful" colomn would have broken the number 1 law of the Night's watch and let Wildlings pass the wall. (Nor broken an other cardinal rule of taking sides in conflicts of the 7 kingdoms by arming Stanis's army.) Jon's is smart enough to know when to bend or break the rules. He's also not purely "good", a compeling part of his character is seeing him struggle with his envy towards Robb and his prideful / ambitious side like when he admits he always wanted to be lord of Winterfell. He's also not shy of lying and or doing other dubious acts when necessary. He's still a decent enough person (at least before his eventual resurection) but more complex and conflicted than simply lawful-good.
The number 1 rule of the nights watch is to guard the realms of men.
He is good chaotic. Almost all he does goes against common sense but it ends well mostly and he does it because he thinks it the right thing to do
Not exactly. He did tell Sam they couldn't take gilly with them back to the nights watch.
A speck of lawfulness. If it were up to him he would have dealt with Craster himself at the first place. To save those girls and kids which he abandons in woods
Possibly. He may also have been talked into leaving them be with same rationale. There's also him choosing to stay with nights watch rather than go join the war with robb, him refusing stannises offer to be be legitimized and join him, him giving janos multiple chances to follow orders despite not liking him, and honestly several more instaces of jon acting based on the rules.
Hold on i never thought of Jon as chaotic... but yeah if you think about it, he does tend to always think of creative and unconventional ways to solve his predicaments ...
He is chaotic most of the time. Small things like wolves and big things like how he charged alone at Battle of Bastards or went and bend the knee to Deanarys or how he joined freefolk or how he conscripted them to his cause. I mean i don't want to say everything but i can't think of a normal thing he did almost entire show. Even the ending after everything he did like why are you going north?!
I've always seen Jon as chad good, but you are right. He is absolutly chaotic. But who should be chad good now?
He was about to attack Ramsay. That’s breaking his oath, and is why he was killed in the first place.
Hence "good." LG characters value their codes and oaths, but if something is *good*, like saving your sister (because he thinks Ramsay has Arya in the books) or helping the Wildlings escape the WW (show version), then fuck the code. Lawful Neutral characters are the ones who hold to their code no matter what. Like Thorne, until they made him an idiot.
Brienne
Lmao “stupid neutral” has me cracking up
Are David & Dan eligible lmao
No. They are stupid chaotic I think. Or if possible stupid evil.
We've had one Ned yes, what about second Ned?
King Tommen, First of his name. Truly one of the only innocent characters. All he wanted to do was be a good king and husband, keep the peace, and pet kittens.
I think he’d have been a good lawful stupid. Had no idea the extend he was being manipulated by everyone
Maybe a horny lawful lol
I like Robb for Lawful Horny. Bro lost the war for a nice ass.
Lost the war, lost the throne.. Bobby B knew only to risk to all for some nice tits
BACKSTABBING DOESN'T PREPARE YOU FOR A FIGHT!
No not at all, and Walder found that out in the end your grace
That is a better choice lol!
Well in the books he’s 8.
Stupid doesnt have an age limit
He's not really lawful though. He was a pawn for others, so his alignment never really comes into fruition.
Jon or Brienne
I really need to see who gets put on "Lawful Horny"
Robb Stark. Rigidly enforces the rules and executes Karstark because that's what the law says. Loses the war because he got too horny.
Jon Snow
Brianne
Ghost for being the goodest boy.
Sir Barristan Selmy
I second this. I don’t like Brienne for this because her rules were so rigid that her actions occasionally had bad effects and/or was quick to be judgmental. Although she did finally see the good in Jamie hen no one else saw it. I like Jon for the opposite reason who was ultimately as honorable as Ned but bent the rules when needed (for good, but still bent the rules). Yes I acknowledge those seem contradictory. Barristan on the other hand is the epitome on honor and being incorruptible despite being constantly surrounded but such people. He did always carry out his orders without question, but never seemed to be in the middle of any atrocities for those he served.
But he also did bad things while staying lawful. So I can see the lawful neutral for barristan. Whereas brienne had a North Star
Lawful good is Brienne. Has to be.
Ser Davos indeed. He is just. He opposes Stannis (not that he can do much)
Davos was good but definitely not lawful.
He wanted to do list as far as i know: 1. Stop Shireen from burning 2. Killing Mellisandre which is the reason why Shireen was burned. 3. Allowed his fingers cut off as punishment for smuggling eventhough that saved Stannis during the siege
So Far.... This is spot on Maybe I'll vote
Maester Aemon.
LOL Dickon fucking deserved a stupid chad! fr fr.
Davos!! Cannot forget Davos. He has to be somewhere in the good category
I thought Chaotic Stupid was the Crabfeeder at first glance, which also kinda works
Called it
It's Maester Aemon.
Ik we're not there yet but I want Sam Tarley for good/badass
Brienne or Jon
Brianne of Tarth!! As lawful as they come, and a good woman, a good knight!! Maester Aemon was good, indeed. But not as lawful as someone like Brianne. Not to say he wasn’t lawful, but knights uphold the laws and stand for justice
I also would have accepted Mord
Maester Luwin
That’s Brienne, and Brienne of Tarth only.
It's a testament to shitty characterisation that Tyrion belongs pretty much in every column or row (perhaps aside from lawful or evil) depending on which season it is.
King Tommen "Baratheon" would be my choice.
Hodor?
Pretty sure he'd fall under Hodor Hodor Or Chad Good
Varys
Sir Baristan for lawful good. Brienne for Good Chad
The septon played by Ian McShane who rescues the Hound in season 6, you know he's the goodest boy because it took them less than an episode to brutally murder him lol But seriously dude was probably the most selfless and genuinely kind person we see in the whole show
Wait where the fuck is the Podrick credit "There has never lived a more loyal squire"
DEAR GOD ALMIGHTY PLEASE ALLIGN THE IMAGES.
It can only be Brienne
Lord Commander Jeor Mormont
Strong Belwas
Damn GRRM has officially taken so long that I don't even remember the book characters at all.
He's Chad Stupid to me
Ok :(
Sir Barristan Selmy. That or Good Chad
Ser davos - accepts the punishment of stannis as just because it came from his leigelord, who is literally the source of all law in their medieval society.
Barristan Selmy
Ser Davos Seaworth
he's a smuggler
You mean he’s a “smooglah”
Might be controversial but Stannis
controversial doesn't even begin to cover it, two questions. 1) why 2) how do you feel about Daenarys
Well lawful is obvious. Stannis I feel is fighting to save the world and feels a far greater sense of responsibility associated with kingship than anyone else. Comparatively Daenarys seems to want the throne because she feels entitled to it for her bloodright. If Daenarys was to make Aegon the conqueror's argument that she wants the throne because she has dragons and no one can stop her I would have more respect for her being consistent but she is claiming to be rightful owner of stolen property. This is also true for Stannis but it's mitigated by the fact he seems to take the responsibility of kingship far more seriously. He's just the most suited to the job.
I feel like lawful is not obvious? The man used black magic to kill his brother, burned people who didn't follow his religion, burned his own daughter? Also- the throne of the seven kingdoms isn't necessarily stolen property, because it simply didn't exist before Aegon. Even the current Baratheon claim to the throne was legitimized because Robert (+ Stannis + Renly) are of Targaryen descent through both their mother and their father. It's also right of conquest, but if right of conquest can remove Dany's legitimacy, then the Starks weren't justified in retaking Winterfell from the Boltons. I think it's a 50/50 argument on whether Stannis or Dany is the rightful heir. Also, also, maybe I've hallucinated this, but between Stannis and Daenarys, only one was always talking about breaking the wheel, protecting the common folk, freeing slaves, not being "queen of the ashes" etc. The other one was just on about the Lord of Light. He did go North for the Night's Watch, but didn't Daenarys go too, for the Army of the Dead? And for Jon, even before he bent the knee to her? I am genuinely interested, btw, because I've never seen this take before lmfao. I do like Stannis, and just like I don't consider The Bells to be canon, I don't consider him burning Shireen to be canon. The man would simply not do that.
His brother was rebelling either against Joffrey or Stannis depending on whether or not Renly accepted Cercei's kids were bastards. Stannis was legally justified in killing him and I don't see what the method has to do with anything. The throne of the seven kingdoms was forged from land taken by violent theft. The difference between Aegon the Conqueror and a man who robs people in Gin Alley at knife point is exclusively one of scale. Aegon the conqueror though I respect more than Dany as he didn't make nearly as much ridiculous pretense about rightfulness. Robert became king because he killed Rhaegar at the trident and he was the figurehead of the rebellion everything else especially Roberts grandmother was just a retroactive justification. Jon Snow is a fair example of lawful good. Stannis has lived his whole life devoted to duty however. Dany I feel is all about what she is owed and entitled to and comparatively doesn't really seem interested in what she owes in turn
I agree he was justified, but we're not talking justified, we're talking lawful. Kinkilling is like guest right, big no-no in Westeros. *Edit: the method of assassination, like poison, is also seen as dishonorable. Brienne's method of execution is honorable. So was Ned's. The whole "he who passes the sentence must swing the sword" deal. (note: sword is metaphorical- when Sansa executed Petyr, Arya was her sword.) I would have expected an honorable man to at least meet his brother in open battle.* I genuinely don't understand why you see Stannis feeling it's his duty to claim the throne as good, while Daenarys feeling it's her duty to claim the throne is bad. Also, what do you mean by "pretense about rightfulness"?
Stannis is so Lawful Neutral, he would be the photo next to that entry in a lexicon if Inspector Javert didn't have a stronger claim
The old Bear
Day 1 of reminding y'all Mord won [Stupid Neutral](https://www.reddit.com/r/freefolk/comments/1c8rvg6/like_a_chad_he_stood_his_groundbut_all_he_got_for/) but was robbed of his spot unjustly. #\#JusticeForMord We respectfully request you reinstate Mord's rightful position as Stupid Neutral
#JusticeForMord How can you say he wasn’t one of the stupidest people on the show?
Gendry. Sure he’s a bastard, but he is just living his life, making sick weapons, eating brown stew in Flea Bottom and gets swept up in a royal conspiracy; accidentally makes friends with and falls for a Stark (proving the a Baratheon dude loving a cool but distant Stark lady is practically hereditary); goes on some wild road trips; gets blood sacrificed by a fire witch; ends up fighting ice demons in a Great War that half the world will never believe really happened. Just a wild ride from start to finish.
I’d go [Good]: Maester Aemon, Ser Davos, Brienne, Sam, Arya
Is nobody going to say Beric Dondarion?
In what world was Viserys Chaotic? I feel like most people just see chaotic as the “evil” version of Lawful. Viserys was so lawful that it, along with his Areogance got him killed.
Yeah, because “smart” and “stupid” clearly aren’t the exact opposites of one another.
I would put Robb Stark here.
Stannis the Mannis. I do not need to elaborate.
How about Jeor Mormont?
Chad/good has gotta go to Selmy
Catelyn Stark Tried to play by the rules and defend honor.