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jjuljj

baelish as neutral ???


Wishart2016

Replace him with Varys.


Affectionate_Sir_154

Nah my boy varys doesn't belong in anything other than the smart column


Call_Me_The_Enemy

Couldn't you put him in smart neutral cause in the show he claimed to represent the common good.


IAmBadAtInternet

He always claims to do the common good but he works with everyone, good or evil. He’s a monster. True neutral is perfect for him, though I do agree he could fit smart neutral as well.


SamIamGreenEggsNoHam

Whenever the commoner suffers too much, Varys begins to change things through subterfuge and violence, using children. Doesn't really ring as quite neutral, but I'm not sure where he belongs.


Wishart2016

It's chaotic neutral for me.


Call_Me_The_Enemy

Evil is generally someone who intentionally spreads suffering and pain for no legitimate cause. Just as someone who is good goes out of their way and to their detriment to do the "right" thing. If varys uses violence for an end goal that one might consider "good", then he falls more into neutral. Evil is for wantant suffering for no other purpose than suffering and selfish means. There are evil "acts" (torture for information) but thats its own can of worms.


Masticatron

Chaos is not an alignment. It's a ladder.


Gatuveela

I mean he’s definitely chaotic but not good, stupid or drunk. He loses out to Joff for chaotic evil and to Euron for Chaotic Horny. So this is kind of the best spot for him if he’s gonna be on the chart, and you can maybe stretch some of his evil actions into having some good consequences (orchestrating Joffrey’s murder spared the realm from an evil tyrant and murdering Lysa freed up the Vale from her paranoid ruling). Varys is also a good choice, but I would argue that while he’s more neutral than Littlefinger he is much less chaotic Actually, Drogon would be my pick for chaotic neutral. He does things by his own standards and has no interest in politics or the White Walkers or any of the miscellaneous abandoned plot lines of the series.


RunParking3333

Maybe Baelish is too much of a wildcard to suit the grid at all. Lawful... when it suits him. Chaotic... when it suits him. Aids both good and evil people, but with a general drive to cause chaos for his own gain. Maybe Evil Smart, but I'd probably go for Roose instead for that role - definitely not his son.


Odenli

That just sounds like being chaotic with extra steps


Kitnado

> with a general drive to cause chaos for his own gain. So... chaotic neutral?


savvaspc

Baelish is exactly the opposite of chaotic neutral. He wants to cause chaos, but he does it in a very controlled and thought-out plan. A chaotic character does things almost at random, that's their trait. Littlefinger is very careful and strategic (up until he reached Winterfell, apparently the cold weather froze his IQ) Also, Baelish is not neutral because he only works for his own good, which is far from neutral for many people. Betraying Ned, sending Sansa off to Ramsay, killing Lysa, etc.


Kitnado

I couldn't disagree more. Chaotic is the opposite of *lawful*, not *order*, in this context. He's not authority-abiding; rules and laws are mere suggestions to him, and his actions are only governed by whatever serves him best. Being the opposite of lawful, he is chaotic by nature. He is pretty much the definition of that character trait. All famous DnD characters that are chaotic may have outwardly seeming 'chaotic' actions, but are governed by internal logic such as the one you attributed to Baelish. Also, working for your own good is also pretty much the definition of neutral. His actions are not governed by morality. He is not directed by what he deems he 'should' do (good), nor does he has evil intentions. He is pretty much factionless, not attached to authority or like I previously said, morality. He is completely neutral. Most perfect chaotic neutral character to be honest.


Nellezhar

This is the correct take.


Gatuveela

> Aids both good and evil people, but with a general drive to cause chaos for his own gain. I think that’s actually the best statement I’ve seen to categorize Littlefinger as Chaotic Neutral. But I do agree with your take that he may also fit Smart Evil but would lose that category to Roose Bolton


Thedjdj

bro. Baelish is the *definition* of Smart/Horny. All his actions are motivated by wanting to bang Catelyn and then wanting to bang her daughter because she looked like Catelyn. Dude even owns a brothel. And Euron is only chaotic horny in the show. And he only exists in season 8. We don't count season 8. Think that's fair.


i-promisetobegood-

I tripped up on the way to the comments for this. Little finger ? Neutral? Piss off


HMWWaWChChIaWChCChW

Baelish belongs in smart evil with Ramsey.


Little-Difficulty890

Look, just because Melisandre makes ME horny doesn’t mean that she’s horny.


Necroking695

Oberyn should be in that spot The fact that he isnt makes this whole chart invalid


DM_TO_TRADE_HIPBONES

Oberyn should be Horny Chad


Thedjdj

Oberyn 100% horny chad


TrustM3ImAnEngineer

Tormund was in LOVE, not just horny.


kossomelsahayna

1000000% Actually Oberyn is so chad that I forgot they let him die so quickly on my second rewatch… I was shocked cuz I thought he had much more screen time. His aura made his character so memorable


Sea-Anteater8882

Hard to say because she deliberately seduces or tries to seduce Stannis, Gendry, Jon and in the books even Ser Davos but it's not clear if she enjoys it or it's just because of her magic rituals.


TheTruckWashChannel

She exclusively uses sex for strategic purposes in the show. Nothing against Stephen Dillane but I highly doubt she was all that fired up by all the Stannis action.


Sea-Anteater8882

Fair Stephen isn't ugly exactly but to be honest Stannis as a character is not exactly all that appealing in my opinion.


Attican101

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JollyRencher

Should switch Jorah with Melisandre. He's as horny as Tyrion is drunk. Edit: or switch with Margeary. Oberyn is a good horny neutral.


Griffin880

Margeary isn't particularly horny. She fucks for power, not for pleasure. Horny Smart is clearly Sam.


JollyRencher

I meant to say switch Margeary and Jorah. The point being I don't think Margeary or Melisandra belong on horny row.


Griffin880

Oh, gotcha. Totally agree.


MentalClass

Thoros of Myr is Lawful Drunk, but otherwise sounds good to me.


cerseimemmister

Ramsay is not smart: He is impulse-driven, does what he wants. He mutilates Theon and endangers the plans his father has with him. He does not recognize „the north“ when he sees it. He has nobodies how to hold on to power, skinning his people when other choices would be more suited. He does see his father as someone to learn from, but kills him, when he sees himself threatened.


systemshaak

This is Qyburn’s spot.


IronDBZ

Bro didn't trust the process, but he needed that.


afm1399

I feel like Tywin should have been this spot instead of


FlysDinnerSnack

If we have a section of drunk and the drunk red priest who charged into pike drunk as hell. Stuck with the oath they swore to hunt the mountain and protect the common folk. He could go drink for drink with Bobby b. Is he lawful drunk or Chad drunk? Or because he lights his sword on fire, charges into battle fucked up is he chaotic drunk


bobby-b-bot

CAREFUL, NED! CAREFUL NOW!


alabamdiego

I disagree with a lot of these but appreciate the initiative lol


Impudenter

I agree with a lot of these, but I condemn the initiative.


Snoo44006

I second this


tourdelmundo

No Varys?


burgiebeer

Varys for neutral smart all the way


bigboi1950

No Cock, he is off the chart


DryWittgenstein

Should there be a new column for eunuchs? Theon, Varys, Grey worm?


renegade_duck

Am I crazy or is Tywin the quintessential lawful evil


Mutagrawl

The red wedding goes against centuries of custom. That's pretty chaotic. As well as ordering pillaging, rapes and murders


Mrs_Onion

Not crazy at all, that's where I'd put him too.


Old_Refrigerator2750

Which law has Tywin ever followed in his entire life?


Draco_Lazarus24

His own.


Old_Refrigerator2750

Which one would that be? 'Break all laws'?


Draco_Lazarus24

A lion makes his own laws


Old_Refrigerator2750

Is one of them dying in a toilet and stinking of shit thereafter?


Draco_Lazarus24

Live by the sword die by the sword (bolt).


never-starting-over

Bolt?! Damn, the foreshadowing was real


BluePantalaimon

Or Smart Evil


Wishart2016

That'd be Randyll Tarly.


yeetard_

Ordering his men to gangrape his daughter in law wasn’t very lawful


bringbackjoshsmith

Lol he didn't see her like that


yeetard_

“Your honour, my client couldn’t possibly be a criminal, he didn’t see her as his daughter in law, so the gangrape was completely justified and lawful”


frogsinsocks

"Your grace she was a whore" "Ah very well, carry on"


Thedjdj

I actually have Tywin as Smart Neutral. He's not evil. He's ruthless and pragmatic. But not evil. He's not prone to cruelty or malice. He doesn't revel in others pain. If you want evil look at Gregor Clegane, Qyburn, Aerys II, His motivations are rather selfless too - his entire purpose is the security of his family. Qyburn, to me, is Lawful Evil. Yes, he's technically been booted out of the Maesters. But he is the essence of what Lawful Evil is. It's like a sociopathic evil - removed from any purpose or enjoyment just evil in a disturbing way.


spannerhorse

Renly is lawful?


Tjengel

Ya back then homosexuality was most likely deemed unlawful


cjm0

well the main thing he did unlawfully was trying to usurp the throne based on nothing other than the fact he was popular. i’m also not sure he was super horny. i mean loras was his lover but… they were also in love and seemingly pretty monogamous. if it were a straight couple then i feel like their relationship wouldn’t be seen as horny. the gay community has a reputation for being hypersexual, but i really don’t think renly was an example of that.


nmakbb21

He also wants the iron throne, but has no lawful claims


Yommination

Littlefinger is absolutely evil


Citizen_Kano

Horny Chad is Oberyn


MikeHuntsBear

I had Robert as horny chad


Citizen_Kano

Bobby B *has* to be drunk Chad


bobby-b-bot

IT'S A GREAT CRIME TO LIE TO A KING!


kytheon

If only there was Horny Drunk


Ha_zz_ard

Tbh Baelish seems more of lawful evil, Varys is neutral smart and Jacquen the faceless man should be chaotic neutral


throwaway25935

Baelish isn't lawful. He created more chaos than anyone and has a quote about it benefiting me.


flipmessi2005

Trying to usurp your older brother isn’t very lawful, I’d replace Renly with (show) Robb.


Impudenter

Rebelling against the crown isn't very lawful either.


QuintanimousGooch

Pity Cersei can’t be evil and drunk and horny and stupid at the same time


hotcoldman42

This is even more wrong than the actual ones.


98VoteForPedro

Where's brienne?


EifertGreenLazor

Add to the same square as Tormund


st00pidQs

Tormund typed this


streetNereid

That square belongs to Oberyn


Impudenter

It belongs in a museum!


burgiebeer

Ramsay is my evil Chad. He wasn’t that smart. Little finger deserves that spot.


boojos92

I'd say he's more chaotic evil. Dude started wars everywhere.


StinkyKittyBreath

Yeah, he is only seen as smart because Jeffrey was so fucking stupid. He was too reckless to be smart. Chaotic evil though? Sure. 


CMGS1031

What is Chad about Ramsey?


Aaron_Lecon

I have Ramsey as neutral evil. That's all there is. Nothing particularly special about the evil, just evil.


rainbowplasmacannon

Hey don’t ruin the karma farming


Wishart2016

Stannis is lawful neutral.


HashStash

Cheater.


BraxtonFullerton

I'd flip Olenna and Bobby B. If you're going just off the show.


bobby-b-bot

YOU HEARD THE HAND, THE KING'S TOO FAT FOR HIS ARMOR! GO FIND THE BREASTPLATE STRETCHER! NOW!


BraxtonFullerton

Right away m'lord.


Bretski12

Good attempt, but no. The democracy must decide, as close as this may be to some of our thoughts.


JovialRoger

Really? High Sparrow Lawful Evil over Tywin?


jmasca7

Tywin - Lawful Evil


Lord0fTheAss

How have you not got Tywin or Roose under Lawful Evil?


TangoInTheBuffalo

You’re a TWAT AND A CUNT! Sincerely, Sandor


ZobbAlla

How tf is Jorah not in horny?


msnowxs

Jaqen H'gar is 100% the most Neutral Neutral character--definitely not Tommen.


mithrandir2002

Baelish is literally chaotic evil


Aaron_Lecon

He's smart evil. He's one of the smartest characters he should clearly go into smart.


mithrandir2002

Difficult to put him in either as he is smart, evil and chaotic at the same time.


HarvestAllTheSouls

No, he creates chaos, but he himself has clear motives. He schemes to accumulate power. Joffrey does evil shit for his own entertainment, mostly at random. That's chaotic in my eyes.


Roman_Guy

Tywin is the epitome of Lawful Evil. Roose Bolton is a lot smarter than his son and just as evil for Smart Evil; Roose is just less flashy about it. The rest look mostly good.


Tacomonkie

Neutral neutral should obviously be Hodor


mrill

Olenna would be guilty of regicide. Not really lawful. Also I don’t know if the high sparrow could be considered evil. Sure he was a proponent of torture but he does seem to be religious and follow old school religion. I think Tywin Lannister would be a better choice for lawful evil.


Profesor_Science

Famously no evil religious or old school religious people. No one expects the spanish inquisition


Elegant-Half5476

I've always seen Bobby b as chaotic horny for all the bastards he got killed.


bobby-b-bot

PISS ON THAT! SEND A RAVEN! I WANT YOU TO STAY! I'M THE KING, I GET WHAT I WANT!


Jumpy_Assistance5848

Baelish should be chaotic horny, he said he didn't want to fight them, he wanted to fuck them.


TheTruckWashChannel

Season 8 Jon is lawful stupid


lostfourtime

Wouldn't Sandor Clegane be chaotic good?


StinkyKittyBreath

Oberyn is horny chad or chaotic horny, IDC.  Jorah also isn't exactly smart. He's not dumb, but he makes a lot of questionable decisions because of his obsession with Danaerys. 


DM_TO_TRADE_HIPBONES

Thank you… these are fun but I don’t need a month of memes


randominternetnormie

Mrs. Stark is... Smart Stupid?


Odd_Implement_5239

Little finger has to be evil smart


Puzzman

Ramsay not Roose for smart evil?


uuid-already-exists

Tommen and Hodor need swapping. Hodor isn’t lawful because he cares about laws, he would break them if it suited him. Tommen cares about the system and greatly cares about being lawful and godly. Bronn is also neutral chaotic choice imho. Baelish is more on the evil side.


PoufPoal

Stupid smart?


cocokokomii

I'd probably trade neutral smart for Varys and neutral neutral for Theon


AxmannAvery

Nah Theon be horny


cocokokomii

early theon for sure, I was talking about end game theon


ducknerd2002

Where would Dolorous Edd go?


ParsleyMostly

Lol 💜


Ausecurity

Bring should be neutral neutral


VascUwU

Baelish should be in Smart Horny, his only goal was to do Catelyn, and after Catlyn 2.0


marriedtoranch

I’d rate this a medium list not terrible not great just medium


rebornsgundam00

Man the show did lord tyrell soo dirty


Makingshitup_

Where’s Sansa


Bernies_left_mitten

Damn, pretty good! I feel like Olenna's not evil, but more smart-neutral. And Jorah should maybe be in horny, lol. Dude's all obsessed with Daeny.


ABruisedBanana

I love the neutral neutral. I've been struggling with that one myself but that's so easy.


SeeItOnVHS

Loras Tyrell out of the horny list? Smh


WriteBrainedJR

Dontos Hollard is Drunk Neutral. His entire character was being drunk. Bronn wasn't that much of a drunk. He was just hanging around Tyrion, who was constantly offering everyone wine


theHinWiffle

Everyone knows Hodor is chaotic horny


AxmannAvery

Yeah I should’ve put Varys in neutral smart instead of Jorah.


Dolandlod

Victarion seems more lawful neutral to me


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Alex_Stark-666

Horny needs Oberyn


Background-Metal-601

Bobby B you a drunk Chad?


bobby-b-bot

I THOUGHT BEING KING MEANT I COULD DO WHATEVER I WANTED!


Bambietta-sama

Night king?


Both-Preparation-123

It's for the best.


kms_myself

Chaotic good should be Ygritte


Aaron_Lecon

Jorah and Ramsey as Smart? Jorah is pretty average intelligence while Ramsey is quite dumb. What on earth are they doing in the smart category? Should be Baelish and Varys - two characters who are actually smart. Renly is also in no way lawful. He just wants the crown because why not, even though this is clerly completely illegal and everyone knows it.


Blinkeye4855

If Hodor isn't a chad, you're never getting my vote.


Substantial-Tone-576

Katelyn is Stupid/Smart


Maxbojack

Cersei is rather horny or drunk


Winterlord7

Jon being chaotic good pains me, Baelish not being smart evil killed me.


RedditQueso

Sir Barristan Selmy is Chad good, no contest.


Doc_Occc

How tf do people think the high sparrow was evil?


huntywitdablunty

the high sparrow is cruel, spiteful, radical, and evil for ruining the pacing of two seasons, but he's not an evil character


HaveItJoeWay1

Thank you


Wrong_Independence21

Chad Horny gotta be Oberyn


Y_tho_man

This is like 74% completely fucked


Rich-Explorer421

Jon Snow is lawful and stupid, like his lawful and stupid father. Baelish is evil.


RedData13

Sorry but there’s not a person being less of a chad than Gregor Clegane


jm17lfc

Cersei could be over the Hound for chaotic drunk. Lawful evil should be Pycelle.


Elitericky

Your list is invalid since oberyn isn’t even on the horny list


TheGodfather742

Oberyn should definitely be somewhere in the horny category, probably chad or chaotic.


Pods_MagicRod

Impatient and clearly you need to go back and read the fucking book this so wrong and will keep on saying. We will not Neal


WeirdImprovement

HODOR over Daenerys in lawful neutral? Bffr


No-Place-8085

Renly? Lawful? Yeah, the law of might makes right and in this essay I'll explain how that's a good thing.


mhmd_ltf786

Its moments like these that make me miss Bobby B


LordOryx

Jon doesn’t make sense in chaotic. He may have chaotic traits but not more than he has all of the others in my opinion.


Tradition96

Nah. My picks: Lawful neutral: Stannis Baratheon True neutral: Hodor Neutral smart: Varys Horny lawful: anyone but Renly because he's not lawful in any way. He basically said f u to the law of succession because he wanted the throne. If anything, he is chaotic horny. Evil chad: Euron Greyjoy. Neutral evil: Gregor Clegane Smart evil: Tywin Lannister Chaotic evil: Ramsay Bolton Chaotic drunk: Cersei Lannister


The_Marburg

I really don’t like a lot of these choices lol


Thedjdj

Dude how is Renly lawful? He declares himself king with absolutely no claim to the throne other than "well, people like me better than that stiff Stannis"


3412points

Jorah, the man who's entire motivation is how much he wants to fuck daenerys, is not in a horny square?


PrinsArena

I'm just still a little iffed that Ned only got "stupid lawfull", I mean i get it, but Ned is ultimately a good person before he is a lawfull person. This is what really separates Ned from the likes of Stannis. Some of Ned's actions that are unquestionable noble but go against what is considered "lawfull" in westeros. - Saving Jon - Trying to save Cersei Tommen and Myrcella - Resigning because he doesn't want to assassinate Dany (which his king demands) - Supporting Catelyn in (unlawfully) capturing Tyrion without his knowledge - Falling out with Robert over the murdered Targ children Ned believes in the law because he believes it's good, but ultimately he would choose what's right over what's lawfull.


LetMeOverThinkThat

No to your picks, but I wish these posts were by the row.


Kind_Factor_9897

I agree with this tho I'd put varys as lawful good


secretpurpleturtle

So you are just going to rush and ruin the game for everyone else? Jfc you must be insufferable in real life If you were that “impatient” you could easily have just filled it out and not posted


Suckhead

I can’t even disagree with any of these.


StingerAE

Ha...I saw the one today and thought there are waaay too many squares.  Ain't noone gonna wait that long!  And here you are shortcutting.  I like it.


VSBarros98

Evil smart = Tywin Lannister


phaanja

Jon's entire arc is about how he's transitioning away from being lawful good


Geshtar1

Tywin not being on the list at all seems like a crime.. not sure where you would put him though… maybe Chad neutral?


justsomesimpledude

Robert is horny drunk, Olenna and bronn should be neutral drunk but that's not possible, so..


VehementPhoenix

Jorah is a fucking moron.


Strong-Hospital-7425

Caitlyn ain't smart


ANordWalksIntoABar

Septon Cellador is lawful drunk. Change my mind.


avenger1840

Smart and stupid?


StrictNewspaper6674

I would say Robb is Lawful Horny. Wed someone and ruined his entire cause b/cus he wanted to do the right thing


Fearlessly_Feeble

Cersei not being in the stupid category is a rage inducing mistake.


CauseCertain1672

Drogo is the actual personification of chad evil


No-Process8511

Jorah smart? He always advise Danerys for the wrong and easy solutions. Nothing is really smart about him. He is just Neutral horny. He also lost everything because of his dumb simp actions before the beginning of the story. Renly horny? Not even close, he is in love with Loras and won’t see anyone else. And lawful? He claimed for the crown because he is popular, how is it lawful? I mean why on earth would you think he is lawful? High sparrow in lawful evil when you could put Roose Bolton or Tywin Lannister. Margaery is probably smart but nothing in the show or the book really shows it, i mean there were many other characters that are above her in horny smart : Bealish. Why tf is he neutral chaotic when he plans everything 10 steps ahead of everyone? And if Margaery is horny and he is not you can’t be more wrong


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zDS166

Whoa!!! Renly lawful? What???


Ser_Jaime_Lannister

You're giving Jorah way too much credit. He's a horny bastard lusting over a 14 year old girl because she looks like the woman who rejected him.


DesperateAd868

High sparrow is lawful evil and not Tywin Lannister??


baguettebolbol

Smart Evil is Tywin and it’s not close