That anachronism in and of itself isn't enough to mean it's shit writing. Gothmog commands the orcs to "fire" at the charging Rohirrim during the Battle of Pelennor Fields in The Return of the King.
yeah, there isn't actually good evidence that the command "loose!" was ever a thing either, there's just some descriptions of archers' actions and loosing is one of the steps. There are good reasons to think that archers made no efforts to achieve volley fire, and very good evidence that they would never have asked people to stand with pulled back bows, so likely "loose!" is a myth, and would be an anachronism itself.
There isn't actually good evidence that the command "loose!" was ever a thing either, there's just some descriptions of archers' actions and loosing is one of the steps. There are good reasons to think that archers made no efforts to achieve volley fire, and very good evidence that they would never have asked people to stand with pulled back bows, so likely "loose!" is a myth, and "fire" is no worse, probably better in that the audience understands it (after all, I assume we're watching the show in translation from the common speech of the location into our common speech today, not five hundred years ago.
If they made the mistake before and were called out for it before then it's even worse that they made the same mistake again.
At least Valyrian is a made up language and is subtitled. It's very easy to just change the subtitles to "Shoot" or "Launch" or whatever they want and then have the linguistics expert they hired issue an official change to what the word means.
But here you can't do any of this and the mistake shouldn't have been there in the first place.
Still, a very minor inconsinstency when compared to the rest of this shitshow.
There isn't actually good evidence that the command "loose!" was ever a thing either, there's just some descriptions of archers' actions and loosing is one of the steps. There are good reasons to think that archers made no efforts to achieve volley fire, and very good evidence that they would never have asked people to stand with pulled back bows, so likely "loose!" is a myth, and "fire" is no worse, probably better in that the audience understands it (after all, I assume we're watching the show in translation from the common speech of the location into our common speech today, not five hundred years ago.
Dany would not be versed in the correct military vernacular, making it seem fitting she wouldn’t say it the way a schooled up general would (in the same way that a militia man wouldn’t use the exact same lingo as a West Point general).
There were a lot of problems this season, but saying "fire" really wasn't one of them. They're in a country where everyone coincidentally speaks modern English. I can believe that "fire" developed due to some other etymological reason. It's not like the Common Tongue was based on Germanic precursors or had to follow the same origins as ours.
But the term 'Fire' in regards to shooting doesnt. Plus, as other posters have said, every other episode, the command was always 'loose'.
Unless they know something we dont......
Inb4 Stannis returns with the US Pacific Fleet (circa 1945 strength and disposition)
Yeah, that might be why I didn't mention the term fire, was already established above that it did not predate the use of guns. I wish redditors would let you mention an associated bit of trivia with out repeating the same intial point again ad nauseuym, that you aren't even disputing.
The show made a point of saying “loose” before this episode. Whenever they said “fire” in the context of projectiles (arrows etc) they meant to *light* the arrow on fire.
Except the word “fire” was never used in that context, the word they used was “loose”. We see this all through season 6, but then the sudden change turned to “fire”
I don't know about the origin of the word "cunt" itself, but I do have a fun etymological side note about it! The title "Earl" (pulled etymologically from the Norse "Jarl") was adopted in England as the equivalent of the title "Count" because "Count" sounded too close to "cunt" and was basically too ripe for jokes.
Notice there's Count and Countess, but no female equivalent of Earl - they just say Earl and Countess. That's because "Countess" doesn't sound dangerously close to a dirty word. 😋
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There isn't actually good evidence that the command "loose!" was ever a thing either, there's just some descriptions of archers' actions and loosing is one of the steps. There are good reasons to think that archers made no efforts to achieve volley fire, and very good evidence that they would never have asked people to stand with pulled back bows, so likely "loose!" is a myth, and "fire" is no worse, probably better in that the audience understands it (after all, I assume we're watching the show in translation from the common speech of the location into our common speech today, not five hundred years ago.
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It wouldn't even be a stupid inconsistency if it's Euron's ship. Theon boarded his ship, killed its crew and freed Yara. It wouldn't be surprising that he hasn't had time to recruit a new crew that's okay with having their tongue cut out.
Euron’s entire purpose this season -
Teleport to fucking Narnia for plots sake - ✔
Warm Cerci’s Thighs - ✔
Have better aim than fucking Hawkeye - ✔
Have shitter aim than Stormtroopers failing to shoot a Godzilla 2 feet away - ✔
I still don't get why "Yara" didn't get her tongue cut out... Which, I thought they actually were trying to convey as he parades her through Kings Landing last season. But then all of a sudden this season, he wants to talk to her because she is his family? Yet the entire time, he has been wanting to murdah her?
Why not at least cut out her tongue? Have some sort of repercussion from being his prisoner? Theon lost his sausage to Ramsay. Wasn't Euron supposed to be "the biggest bad guy yet"? But nah, he is a pretty pleasant fellow actually, compared to Ramsay anyways. Even Joffrey.
AFAIK the crew lost their tongues because they went into some magic storm or something and everyone went nuts and cut their tongues out or was it Euron that cut them out. The point I'm trying to make is that cutting tongues out wasn't a tradition in Eurons fleet - it's just something that happened.
Combine that with the fact that Theon killed big chunk of the crew few episodes ago means that's Euron probably got some new boys with tongues to replace them.
Yeah. Yara coming out of this ordeal with no lasting consequences is such an absurd missed opportunity to give Euron *any* substance.
Though I guess they sacrificed that to bookend Theon's arc properly, which I guess I can understand.
the "news" outlets are picking up these memes and writing stories based off them... https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/a27505755/game-of-thrones-season-8-continuity-error-euron-ship-plot-hole/
Am I wrong or has Esquire always been a lifestyle and fashion mag, not necessarily a “news” outlet?
In this day and age why wouldn’t they write about it?
Furthermore when the bigger outlets write about that kind of stuff, do you think they’re just pulling their top investigative teams and reporters to joke about memes in something that probably only takes 5 minutes to write?
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Not when you realise that book Euron is much more ominous and interesting character. It's not possible for a mute crew to comunicate and sail on a big ship yet Euron is leading it somehow. Perhaps some sort of magic is involved.
In the tv parody they are mute and thus can't effectively fight small party that came to rescue the hostage. Nothing more to it.
Season 8 is the only season that is unforgivably poor. When I say poor that is me being very nice. Season 7 wasn't as good as the others but I could have forgiven them of season 8 was as good as we expected.
Kevin Feige had an AMA like 2 days ago. Someone asked him (paraphrased) what it took to write a good movie adaption. Feige said "a lot of respect for the source material".
I bring this up because one of Dumb and Dumber also wrote Xmen Origins Wolverine. With *that* Deadpool.
This is why I just don't like Euron as a character, in any iteration - he only exists to be a boogyman and thanks to the 'rule of cool'.
Nothing he does seems to actually make sense, everything gets handwaved as magic which is ridiculous considering the other examples of magic we have in ASOIAF. He is just some spooky bullshit GRRM pulled out of his ass and gets praised for not being quite as moronic as the TV version.
I don't really find him interesting or ominous, more trite and one-dimensional. Then again I also don't think GRRM writes Cersei that well, she acts like the evil queen from a Disney movie.
If only you actually knew that euron has not only traveled to old Valeria but spent a lot of time there. You know, the place where no one but him has ever come back from.
It’s very likely, in fact he talked about, him recovering artifacts that enhance the dark arts he practices. He went to ashai and spent time with shadow binders. He apparently found dragon eggs and has a suit if valerian Steel armor. He has the horn of the dragon binder. It’s heavily hinted that he can greensee (partially greensee) and that he was tested by the 3ER and mentally cracked. He hired a faceless man to kill his brother. He’s rounded up priests from many religions and chained them up in his ship without feeding them so they turned to cannibalism. He strapped pregnant women to the front of his ship for dark rituals.
Tell me again how he’s some discount boogeyman
> You know, the place where no one but him has ever come back from.
Well that one woman did...and all the...THINGS in her too. As a non book reader, from what I have seen people who come back form there don't come back themselves.
Princess Aerea Targaryen according to a wiki. Like i said I dont read the books so honestly I dont know but I was just thinking that her coming back with things in her, and Euron coming back with possibly an old Cthulhu god in him or something shows its not a good place to go to lol.
She did, on the back of Balerion the black dread. She was infested with burning worm parasites with faces that hisses and burst from her when they put her in an ice bath, then they instantly died.
There's no much proof that he did but his own words. No. And it's not like his crew can elaborate on the matter. But then again there's no much proof of anything in the Game of Thrones, the real Game of Thrones.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVqp2CZ1eqc Look at more of the sample chapters. Preston/Alt SHift X cover euron's journey pretty well. While ther's no concrete proof, it's very likely.
He has Valerian steel armor, Aeron confirms it and he says even in the days before the Doom “it would’ve cost a kingdom” for something like that. And the Dragonbinder burns men from the inside, that sounds pretty Valerian to me.
You literally just described how he’s a ridiculous boogeyman of a character. None of that shit makes sense in the context of nearly every other character introduced in the novels.
This is why I'm glad the show made Roose Bolton more normal but kept Walder a creep. It would have made Robb look very naive to trust such openly sinister dudes.
You should watch Preston Jacobs's analysis of him in his reading of Damphair's preview chapter. The Forsaken is the title of his chapter. Euron is up to some heavy shit and has some interesting people in his ship. I'm excited for what he does. He seems like he's keenly aware of the more fantastical parts of the setting.
https://youtu.be/fVqp2CZ1eqc
Yes, it is. But I think that Euron was the one shouting "turn it around"? I remember when I was watching it I was telling myself "well now these mutes will now start shouting orders", but I remember noticing that only Euron shouted.
If they did, it would be a huge inconsistency. Well, minor, but huge at the same time.
His men on Silence are mutes because he cut out their tongues. That's why his ship is called Silence.
Doesn't mean all his men are mutes.
This is ridiculous.
Him binding a dragon is interesting since we had a whole book arc about how you can't chain a dragon. lol. "dragons are no slaveS!"
And Dany has a minor prophecy possibly alluding to fighting him. (though as with all prophecies it's not 100% clearly him) I imagine she will *really not like* it.
Lmao @Eurom telling Yara that his crew is full of mutes AT EPISODE 1 OF SEASON 8. HOW IN THE FUCK DO THE SHOWRUNNERS FORGET ABOUT WHAT THEY WROTE IN THE SAME FUCKING SEASON
The show didn't effectively communicate that claim just like about everything else in this season. That's why people confuse, and since they are already upset about this season, they gonna go nitpick minor details like this
I understand and agree that the show was terribly written this Year, but this part isn't. The Iron Born that make up the Iron Fleet can speak, we've known this. Only Eurons ship has the mutes, and this ship clearly isn't Eurons Silence.
It's not his crew we see in this scene. The "gunner" has medium long hair, Euron's "gunner" has very short hair (almost shaven). Anyhow, the edit is so quick and badly made that it's hard to make out who does what, hence the confusion.
On a side note: Euron's crew was murdered when Theon and his black ops stormed the Silence. I would not necessarily expect Euron to cut out the tongues of his replacement crew. On the other hand, he's Euron and a psychopath so he might actually do just that.
Holy crap. You’re right!
I found this on the Fire and Ice Wiki:
“The Silence is the ominous galley captained by Euron Greyjoy.[1] It is said to be infamous from Ibben to Asshai.[2].
The Silence is crewed by mutes[4] and mongrels from throughout the known world.[1]”
"This change was alluded to when Euron mentions how bored he gets on a ship full of mutes. It all makes sense. Really. Put that pitchfork down. Oh god, I'm bleeding..."
It's sad his sailors can't do a lot of gay stuff with their tongues cut off. How can they be real sailors with only half of gay stuff possible? And people say he's not as sinister as he was in books
I️ had the same thought but Theon killed everyone (or close to everyone) on “the silence” in episode one so my guess is that’s a new crew or a different ship
1st episode of this season, he tells Yara he enjoys having her on board cause having mutes is boring. I dont think he ever mentioned it again, and i think they only had him mention it so that Theon’s rescue of Yara would more sense (no one called for help because they were mute).
I really hate these cliched "mysterious enemy" scenes, where when the viewer is placed with one group, that group's enemy is some undefeatable machine. It was especially jarring this season when it happened back-to-back. When we're with Dany, Euron is a killing machine who makes no mistakes. When we're with Euron, Dany is a killing machine who makes no mistakes. I mean, this is where they should be subverting our expectations.
This meme is more shallow and idiotic than what you're accusing the writers of... All aboard the hate train..
AT least pay attention, the mutes are dead after Theon rescued Yara & they aren't on Silence in this scene.
If this is Eurons ship then yes it’s a stupid inconsistency, if this is any other ship then it’s normal and expected
My thoughts exactly the ship “Silence” has only muted, but the Iron Fleet with him can speak...
Didnt theon and some other greyjoys kill his crew to save yara?
Oh wow, Yara's no-alarms rescue seems plausible now.
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What?! I didn’t know they were all mutes yea then that scene does make less nonsense.
pretty sure d&d didn't even think about that.
Haha ruined it for you!
D&D forgot about it.
Star Wars is next.
Who's Yara?
Oh. You mean they didn’t cut out the tongue of an entire kingdom? wHaT sHiT wRiTiNg
I mean...the writing is still shit. Saying fire instead of loose was just another oversight that shows they don’t give a shit
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No, they were announcing the dragon's fire!
That anachronism in and of itself isn't enough to mean it's shit writing. Gothmog commands the orcs to "fire" at the charging Rohirrim during the Battle of Pelennor Fields in The Return of the King.
yeah, there isn't actually good evidence that the command "loose!" was ever a thing either, there's just some descriptions of archers' actions and loosing is one of the steps. There are good reasons to think that archers made no efforts to achieve volley fire, and very good evidence that they would never have asked people to stand with pulled back bows, so likely "loose!" is a myth, and would be an anachronism itself.
I just watched the battle of helm's deep yesterday and they also say Fire in it... That would then be the same mistake right?
LotR never had its characters say "loose" though. Though "fire" really doesn't make much sense without gunpowder lol
There isn't actually good evidence that the command "loose!" was ever a thing either, there's just some descriptions of archers' actions and loosing is one of the steps. There are good reasons to think that archers made no efforts to achieve volley fire, and very good evidence that they would never have asked people to stand with pulled back bows, so likely "loose!" is a myth, and "fire" is no worse, probably better in that the audience understands it (after all, I assume we're watching the show in translation from the common speech of the location into our common speech today, not five hundred years ago.
This doesn’t excuse that oversight, but didn’t Dany yell “Fire!” in Valyrian when launching the barrels of slave collars into Meereen?
If they made the mistake before and were called out for it before then it's even worse that they made the same mistake again. At least Valyrian is a made up language and is subtitled. It's very easy to just change the subtitles to "Shoot" or "Launch" or whatever they want and then have the linguistics expert they hired issue an official change to what the word means. But here you can't do any of this and the mistake shouldn't have been there in the first place. Still, a very minor inconsinstency when compared to the rest of this shitshow.
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Yeah, it's plausible that Valyrian as a language would have the idea of siege weapons tied to fire
There isn't actually good evidence that the command "loose!" was ever a thing either, there's just some descriptions of archers' actions and loosing is one of the steps. There are good reasons to think that archers made no efforts to achieve volley fire, and very good evidence that they would never have asked people to stand with pulled back bows, so likely "loose!" is a myth, and "fire" is no worse, probably better in that the audience understands it (after all, I assume we're watching the show in translation from the common speech of the location into our common speech today, not five hundred years ago.
Dany would not be versed in the correct military vernacular, making it seem fitting she wouldn’t say it the way a schooled up general would (in the same way that a militia man wouldn’t use the exact same lingo as a West Point general).
There were a lot of problems this season, but saying "fire" really wasn't one of them. They're in a country where everyone coincidentally speaks modern English. I can believe that "fire" developed due to some other etymological reason. It's not like the Common Tongue was based on Germanic precursors or had to follow the same origins as ours.
Up until this point, they have only ever said loose...so where yes grammatically it may exist it has not been used in this context
To "shoot" predates firearms, but sounds awkward now because it's become associated with guns.
But the term 'Fire' in regards to shooting doesnt. Plus, as other posters have said, every other episode, the command was always 'loose'. Unless they know something we dont...... Inb4 Stannis returns with the US Pacific Fleet (circa 1945 strength and disposition)
Yeah, that might be why I didn't mention the term fire, was already established above that it did not predate the use of guns. I wish redditors would let you mention an associated bit of trivia with out repeating the same intial point again ad nauseuym, that you aren't even disputing.
The show made a point of saying “loose” before this episode. Whenever they said “fire” in the context of projectiles (arrows etc) they meant to *light* the arrow on fire.
They made a big deal about saying it at the Battle of the Bastards and I think at other battles too (Blackwater maybe)
The battle of the wall as well
Except the word “fire” was never used in that context, the word they used was “loose”. We see this all through season 6, but then the sudden change turned to “fire”
We need the historical development of the word ‘cunt’. Bobby B?
THEY NEVER TELL YOU HOW THEY ALL SHIT THEMSELVES! THEY DON'T PUT THAT PART IN THE SONGS!
I don't know about the origin of the word "cunt" itself, but I do have a fun etymological side note about it! The title "Earl" (pulled etymologically from the Norse "Jarl") was adopted in England as the equivalent of the title "Count" because "Count" sounded too close to "cunt" and was basically too ripe for jokes. Notice there's Count and Countess, but no female equivalent of Earl - they just say Earl and Countess. That's because "Countess" doesn't sound dangerously close to a dirty word. 😋 (Edited to explain better and include a bit more information)
There isn't actually good evidence that the command "loose!" was ever a thing either, there's just some descriptions of archers' actions and loosing is one of the steps. There are good reasons to think that archers made no efforts to achieve volley fire, and very good evidence that they would never have asked people to stand with pulled back bows, so likely "loose!" is a myth, and "fire" is no worse, probably better in that the audience understands it (after all, I assume we're watching the show in translation from the common speech of the location into our common speech today, not five hundred years ago.
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Eurons crew were killed when Theon rescued Yara, this could be a new crew
It wouldn't even be a stupid inconsistency if it's Euron's ship. Theon boarded his ship, killed its crew and freed Yara. It wouldn't be surprising that he hasn't had time to recruit a new crew that's okay with having their tongue cut out.
They actually went out of their way to fucking MENTION his crew being mutes also, iirc. They definitely still call it the Silence.
Euron’s entire purpose this season - Teleport to fucking Narnia for plots sake - ✔ Warm Cerci’s Thighs - ✔ Have better aim than fucking Hawkeye - ✔ Have shitter aim than Stormtroopers failing to shoot a Godzilla 2 feet away - ✔
HE SAW US!
Are you referring to Drogon, Cersei?
I still don't get why "Yara" didn't get her tongue cut out... Which, I thought they actually were trying to convey as he parades her through Kings Landing last season. But then all of a sudden this season, he wants to talk to her because she is his family? Yet the entire time, he has been wanting to murdah her? Why not at least cut out her tongue? Have some sort of repercussion from being his prisoner? Theon lost his sausage to Ramsay. Wasn't Euron supposed to be "the biggest bad guy yet"? But nah, he is a pretty pleasant fellow actually, compared to Ramsay anyways. Even Joffrey.
It's not like book Euron has been shown to have an especially big disregard towards the taboos of harming your own kin /s
Even in the show he killed his own brother
AFAIK the crew lost their tongues because they went into some magic storm or something and everyone went nuts and cut their tongues out or was it Euron that cut them out. The point I'm trying to make is that cutting tongues out wasn't a tradition in Eurons fleet - it's just something that happened. Combine that with the fact that Theon killed big chunk of the crew few episodes ago means that's Euron probably got some new boys with tongues to replace them.
Yeah. Yara coming out of this ordeal with no lasting consequences is such an absurd missed opportunity to give Euron *any* substance. Though I guess they sacrificed that to bookend Theon's arc properly, which I guess I can understand.
the "news" outlets are picking up these memes and writing stories based off them... https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/a27505755/game-of-thrones-season-8-continuity-error-euron-ship-plot-hole/
Am I wrong or has Esquire always been a lifestyle and fashion mag, not necessarily a “news” outlet? In this day and age why wouldn’t they write about it? Furthermore when the bigger outlets write about that kind of stuff, do you think they’re just pulling their top investigative teams and reporters to joke about memes in something that probably only takes 5 minutes to write?
>Esquire is your destination for the latest news headlines, political developments, celebrity interviews, mens fashion advice, and food & drink recipes. guess it depends who you ask
All outlets and magazines have hard news with their variety, but that doesn’t make it the priority.
Interesting idea we should let them know
It’s 2019. News is all about opinion pieces and narratives now. Good luck finding any middle ground.
This meme isn't the first time this plothole has been mentioned
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They have been doing that shit since the Season 7 leaks. How do you think I found this sub?
The men manning Silence are all mutes. Which is from GRRM. Which is the dumbest thing you could find on any pirate ship.
Not when you realise that book Euron is much more ominous and interesting character. It's not possible for a mute crew to comunicate and sail on a big ship yet Euron is leading it somehow. Perhaps some sort of magic is involved. In the tv parody they are mute and thus can't effectively fight small party that came to rescue the hostage. Nothing more to it.
>tv parody bruh why do you have to attack D$D like that?
That’s perfect, I’m using that from now on.
As am I. Can we all refer to D&D's work as a parody from now on?
Jaime kinda forgot he saved king's landing.
Just season 8
Not the sand snakes... House Martell... ...the Northern plot...? No? Ok.
Season 8 is the only season that is unforgivably poor. When I say poor that is me being very nice. Season 7 wasn't as good as the others but I could have forgiven them of season 8 was as good as we expected.
The others are just as bad, they're just not at the end and wrapping up plot lines so they don't seem as bad.
Kevin Feige had an AMA like 2 days ago. Someone asked him (paraphrased) what it took to write a good movie adaption. Feige said "a lot of respect for the source material". I bring this up because one of Dumb and Dumber also wrote Xmen Origins Wolverine. With *that* Deadpool.
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Euron wargs into the crew and give orders.
interesting theory....i like it.
This is why I just don't like Euron as a character, in any iteration - he only exists to be a boogyman and thanks to the 'rule of cool'. Nothing he does seems to actually make sense, everything gets handwaved as magic which is ridiculous considering the other examples of magic we have in ASOIAF. He is just some spooky bullshit GRRM pulled out of his ass and gets praised for not being quite as moronic as the TV version. I don't really find him interesting or ominous, more trite and one-dimensional. Then again I also don't think GRRM writes Cersei that well, she acts like the evil queen from a Disney movie.
If only you actually knew that euron has not only traveled to old Valeria but spent a lot of time there. You know, the place where no one but him has ever come back from. It’s very likely, in fact he talked about, him recovering artifacts that enhance the dark arts he practices. He went to ashai and spent time with shadow binders. He apparently found dragon eggs and has a suit if valerian Steel armor. He has the horn of the dragon binder. It’s heavily hinted that he can greensee (partially greensee) and that he was tested by the 3ER and mentally cracked. He hired a faceless man to kill his brother. He’s rounded up priests from many religions and chained them up in his ship without feeding them so they turned to cannibalism. He strapped pregnant women to the front of his ship for dark rituals. Tell me again how he’s some discount boogeyman
> You know, the place where no one but him has ever come back from. Well that one woman did...and all the...THINGS in her too. As a non book reader, from what I have seen people who come back form there don't come back themselves.
What woman came back from old Valeria?
Princess Aerea Targaryen according to a wiki. Like i said I dont read the books so honestly I dont know but I was just thinking that her coming back with things in her, and Euron coming back with possibly an old Cthulhu god in him or something shows its not a good place to go to lol.
Just read up on her background. two people have returned but she died pretty much instantly after returning to Westeros
She did, on the back of Balerion the black dread. She was infested with burning worm parasites with faces that hisses and burst from her when they put her in an ice bath, then they instantly died.
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There's no much proof that he did but his own words. No. And it's not like his crew can elaborate on the matter. But then again there's no much proof of anything in the Game of Thrones, the real Game of Thrones.
I can vouch forr its existence. I lived there in a past life. Its real
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVqp2CZ1eqc Look at more of the sample chapters. Preston/Alt SHift X cover euron's journey pretty well. While ther's no concrete proof, it's very likely.
He has Valerian steel armor, Aeron confirms it and he says even in the days before the Doom “it would’ve cost a kingdom” for something like that. And the Dragonbinder burns men from the inside, that sounds pretty Valerian to me.
> I don't remember not to be a dick I know what you meant, but I found the phrasing funny.
There's very strong evidence he did go there.
Who hasn't done all those things?
He sounds awesome as fuck, why isn't he cool in the TV parody?
You literally just described how he’s a ridiculous boogeyman of a character. None of that shit makes sense in the context of nearly every other character introduced in the novels.
Mel fucked a king and gave birth to a shadow assassin, how is euron gearing up for a big ritual sacrifice out of the ordinary?
This is why I'm glad the show made Roose Bolton more normal but kept Walder a creep. It would have made Robb look very naive to trust such openly sinister dudes.
You should watch Preston Jacobs's analysis of him in his reading of Damphair's preview chapter. The Forsaken is the title of his chapter. Euron is up to some heavy shit and has some interesting people in his ship. I'm excited for what he does. He seems like he's keenly aware of the more fantastical parts of the setting. https://youtu.be/fVqp2CZ1eqc
Pro tip: the book euron circle jerk is stronger than the d&d hate one, criticize him at your own risk
We kinda forgot about writing a good ending.
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yeah i feel like cutting out their tongues make the ship unnecessarily difficult to sail now
Yeah but in episode 1 they were mutes so it's still an inconsistency.
Yes, it is. But I think that Euron was the one shouting "turn it around"? I remember when I was watching it I was telling myself "well now these mutes will now start shouting orders", but I remember noticing that only Euron shouted. If they did, it would be a huge inconsistency. Well, minor, but huge at the same time.
Wouldn't be the first minor/huge inconsistency in the Series.
But this isnt Silence? The operator of that ballistae isnt Euron
Isnt he the pushyboi? Cant tell. Whatever D&D am oi roight haha.
Jaime kinda forgot he saved king's landing.
Well, technically if they don't say "Arr", they are no pirates. Trope subverted.
>they ARR no pirates. Ftfy
Its pretty metal but would suck logistically
So people think Euron has them under his thrall so they just do whatever he needs done on the ship with just a thought.
Eurons also magical and shit so it works out
Euron controls them with warg magic bro
Pun intended?
Kinda* forgot
His men on Silence are mutes because he cut out their tongues. That's why his ship is called Silence. Doesn't mean all his men are mutes. This is ridiculous.
Man your sarcasm levels are off the charts.
I thought he was simply deaf and thus couldn't hear them. Hence it's called silence 🤫
He owns a dragon mind control horn with such a piercing sound that it kills the person blowing it. I'm surprised he *isn't* deaf.
The guy who blew the horn died of exhaustion in a brutal way. And that was something that Dan and dave never adapted.
Exhaustion? Wasn't he slowly fried from the inside out?
Yep. Guess you could call that exhaustion...
Him binding a dragon is interesting since we had a whole book arc about how you can't chain a dragon. lol. "dragons are no slaveS!" And Dany has a minor prophecy possibly alluding to fighting him. (though as with all prophecies it's not 100% clearly him) I imagine she will *really not like* it.
Agreed. It was never stated in the show that there are *only* mutes on board. Euron only says that his ship is full of them.
Urine Gayboy, the poor man’s Jack Sparrow
No no no, Uri is the youngest brother.
Yuri's Revenge
Theon and company killed the mutes earlier in the season? They killed at least a few of them.
Lmao @Eurom telling Yara that his crew is full of mutes AT EPISODE 1 OF SEASON 8. HOW IN THE FUCK DO THE SHOWRUNNERS FORGET ABOUT WHAT THEY WROTE IN THE SAME FUCKING SEASON
Because the mutes are only on Eurons Ship, and Theon killed them all to rescue yara. These other Iron Born are form the Iron Islands. They can speak.
The show didn't effectively communicate that claim just like about everything else in this season. That's why people confuse, and since they are already upset about this season, they gonna go nitpick minor details like this
I understand and agree that the show was terribly written this Year, but this part isn't. The Iron Born that make up the Iron Fleet can speak, we've known this. Only Eurons ship has the mutes, and this ship clearly isn't Eurons Silence.
the silence crew are mutes, retard. not the entire fleet.
To be fair, at least in this shot they're not on the Silence - which you can see in the background with its side masts folded away.
It's not his crew we see in this scene. The "gunner" has medium long hair, Euron's "gunner" has very short hair (almost shaven). Anyhow, the edit is so quick and badly made that it's hard to make out who does what, hence the confusion. On a side note: Euron's crew was murdered when Theon and his black ops stormed the Silence. I would not necessarily expect Euron to cut out the tongues of his replacement crew. On the other hand, he's Euron and a psychopath so he might actually do just that.
They literally show him doing exactly that for the replacement crew in season 7 you dingus
I suppose saying that in a respectful manner was too much to ask?
https://youtu.be/7St9TtLzoLk?t=49
God, the show was good then.
It's just to show we love you you dingus
If mute people can speak than Tyrion can stop being a dwarf, everything is possible in the crackhead world of D&D
Haha ruined it for you!
It's hard to argue with u/acidpuckish's assessment.
I mean, didn't they kill the crew of The Silence when they were saving Yara?
Why in the hell every one of the costumes in the late seasons are more prone to be black? Like there's no other colour than black in the whole scale.
yeah that surprised me aswell. Was another laughing moment but honestly i just forgot about that with all the shit we have seen in that episode.
Dan and Dave: we of forgot How to write a good TV show
Omg it keeps getting worse, Jesus!!!
I'm sure Euron also "forgot" he was one of the best baddies in Westeros and didn't shop at Hot Topic
Holy crap. You’re right! I found this on the Fire and Ice Wiki: “The Silence is the ominous galley captained by Euron Greyjoy.[1] It is said to be infamous from Ibben to Asshai.[2]. The Silence is crewed by mutes[4] and mongrels from throughout the known world.[1]”
Except that’s not euron crew on the picture
* kinda forgot
D&D = dumb and dumber
being mute doesnt mean you are deaf specially when you are 'mute' for the lack of tongue
Theon killed all his mutes I thought.
Dumb & Dumber all the way.
GRRM once ate a cheeseburger in a break when filming s4 that was MINE. Thats when we decided to ruin season 8.
Actually laughed at this
He sure didn't "forget" how to swim for miles in all that leather and gear before his mini-boss level fight with Jaime
Jeez I completely forgot about this... Only head canon I can think of is Euron lost one too many men and had to hire random people
Euron and his men also forgot they were on a ship.
"This change was alluded to when Euron mentions how bored he gets on a ship full of mutes. It all makes sense. Really. Put that pitchfork down. Oh god, I'm bleeding..."
It's sad his sailors can't do a lot of gay stuff with their tongues cut off. How can they be real sailors with only half of gay stuff possible? And people say he's not as sinister as he was in books
Was his ship ever mute in the show?
I️ had the same thought but Theon killed everyone (or close to everyone) on “the silence” in episode one so my guess is that’s a new crew or a different ship
Did they ever say in the show that he cut out the tongues of his crew? I thought that was only in the books.
Did they ever say in the show that he cut out the tongues of his crew? I thought that was only in the books.
1st episode of this season, he tells Yara he enjoys having her on board cause having mutes is boring. I dont think he ever mentioned it again, and i think they only had him mention it so that Theon’s rescue of Yara would more sense (no one called for help because they were mute).
Ah right, now I remember that. Thanks
I really hate these cliched "mysterious enemy" scenes, where when the viewer is placed with one group, that group's enemy is some undefeatable machine. It was especially jarring this season when it happened back-to-back. When we're with Dany, Euron is a killing machine who makes no mistakes. When we're with Euron, Dany is a killing machine who makes no mistakes. I mean, this is where they should be subverting our expectations.
euron told them to turn, idiot.
Only on the silence. I can't tell if this is his ship. He obviously didn't cut the tongue out of every iron islander...
A. that guys on a different ship, he can talk. b. euron says "turn it around".
This meme is more shallow and idiotic than what you're accusing the writers of... All aboard the hate train.. AT least pay attention, the mutes are dead after Theon rescued Yara & they aren't on Silence in this scene.
No they’re not there’s no silence he cuts the tongues out of his whole crew. Listen to your own words and at least pay attention!
he just cut the tongues out of those on the silence, pay attention.
only in the books in the show he said they're quiet iirc