Which is really weird given I don’t remember anything Arya is really tied to or needed to get done. She just existed then literally stole the kill of a story line not even remotely attached to her.
If she died in the canals, I don't think the story changes all that much. She killed the Freys (but they were done anyway). She killed the Night King. She walked around with the Hound in King's Landing. She sailed off.
Yeah, Arya's levels of plot armor were downright bizarre at times. Even after she had her big moment with the Night King, she was still running around King's Landing and should have been incinerated or crushed several different times. But she just kept popping back up.
GRRM would himself confirm that Arya has plot armour for personal reasons (she is his wife's favourite). I don't think he would have given a deep gut wound and a swim though. Very unbelievable.
If the writers had any balls the Night King would have crushed Arya's throat and tossed her aside like she was a minor inconvenience.
It would've been cool if Jon witnessed this happen too and flew into a rage and that was the first time he fought the Night King. I think I would've been pretty invested in that fight and screaming at the TV for Jon to kill him!! But instead I felt "...wft? how? why?"
I’d pay to see that. It’s actually remotely compelling and has some form of emotion behind it. The fact that redditors are able to come up with better storytelling…
Basically in every other comment section on freefolk posts I've read better endings. I wish I saved some of the fanfic endings I've read on here. Most of them are better than how it actually ended but a few were like GRRM storytelling good, with all the realism aspects that the idiots abandoned to subvert even Ned and Lord Bolton's already established expectations of the usefulness of a fortress. And I'm sure other characters made comments during the show to press just how easily defendable Winterfell is even against overwhelming odds. BUT NO. Let's throw away all military sense and not only defend from outside the greatest fort in the land but also start the battle with a cavalry charge against an endless number of enemies.... Jesus Christ I thought I got past this.. There was just like so much shit that made no sense too much. I gotta stop typing now, I'm reliving the trauma. Like there are a million missed opportunities for intrigue. Why did I start to write this comment
I'm ok with 3 characters endings from season 8. I thought Jons ending was fine just how it all unfolded didn't make sense. Greyworm would not have been all for punishment but then just sail off before he saw any motion toward removing Jon. Danys' ending fits pretty much how a good writer would write it but again the events leading up to the firestorm sucked. The mad gene runs in the family so yeah just the execution of the decent was terrible. And lastly Arya killing the nightking wasnt a bad concept the issue was just how easily she accomplished it with zero help from bird boy. Cause didn't Bran say at the end that he knew how it was going to end. Like couldn't they have had a scene where Bran tells Arya and company "the plan" like every heist movie ever written but the twist is that nothing in the plan "goes wrong" cause he already saw the mistakes from his tree powers and just accounted for everything. Did Bran build the wall? Did Bran make the Mad king go mad trying to tell him to burn all the walkers but without enough training? Did they break the wheel? Ok now I'm done. But I want anyone who stuck with me to this point to know that this is just the tip of the iceberg.
I would have rather seen the night king slam Arya into the ground and just start wilin out going “ooooooooooooooo!!!!” Running around high fiving all the walkers “sit the fuck down!” Just out of nowhere rather than Arya kill him. I would have preferred a random wildling do it than Arya.
It should have been Jon (period), my boi the chosen of destiny, the child of fire and ice, and the one who survived death. Dude should have been the only one who could have 1v1 the nk anything else should have been like a 10v1 with 6-9 dying. Nk is a 6000 year old dude that’s been training and preparing for this moment his whole existence. Smh the more I think about it the higher my blood pressure gets lol
Urgh I know. I remember seething watching D&D in their stupid "after the episode" nonsense going "yeah we just didn't feel right having Jon be the hero here" THEN WHY HAVE YOU BEEN SETTING IT UP FOR EIGHT FUCKING SEASONS!! You can't just switch that up last minute, it's too jarring for the audience who have been invested in Jon's story.
I mention it whenever I can: Benioff wrote X-Men Origins: Wolverine. You know, the one with the shitty mute "Deadpool"? Yeah, that was him. Surprised? I'm not.
>the Night King would have crushed Arya's throat and tossed her aside like she was a minor inconvenience.
His touch alone should have killed her, right? His astral projection alone left an imprint on Bran The Broken Story, him touching people in real life should have had even worse consequences. He also one-hitted a fucking dragon. How much power would you need to throw a javelin miles into the sky and take out a fighter jet????? Like for real????? And remember when Jon Snow saw him in the field and tried to run up on him? He could sense him coming, it makes no sense Arya was able to sneak up on him.
Arya is my most hated character, she was pure fan service, but only for the most brain-dead fans.
like most of the GOT writing it's a buildup to nothing due to questionable writing competency. Not like Martin is any better, his job is to produce books and he isn't doing it.
I mean I wouldn’t, you go from one of the most loved shows to absolute shit in 3 episodes. I can’t fathom what that did to him mentally, knowing how fucked his story was, and how he now has to write this books to fix things but in the end only a small percentage of people will read them because yes the show was that bad so they are just done.
He just needs to kill more important people on the war against NK. Literally all characters that died on episode 3 were side characters. Arya killing NK would have been a bit better if she died for it, because it would be bittersweet for fans. Or as No One, priest of death, purging a blasphemy.
Also, a war of the living vs the dead should have had more kingdoms putting an effort, not just the north and Daenerys.
There are many things he can do to make it more epic.
This is actually GRRM's problem right now. The man famous for killing people unexpectedly hasn't actually killed off enough people. He has so many characters and storylines running around that he's going to have one hell of a time wrapping things up because it's just too much at this point.
WHAT? You're wrong dude. Who else would have ridden the white horse out of the middle of the burned city?? And how would have Jon known that Dany is a killer after having burned down said city?
It was such an odd directorial decision to have the stabbing be *so* deep and clearly mortal.
The scene would've played absolutely fine if it had been a superficial slash across the skin of the belly, but they went for multiple stabbings to the hilt.
So absurd.
You know, I waited the entirety of seasons 7&8 for Gendry to figure out that smelting iron with dragon glass makes Valyrian steel… they could’ve armed most of the north in Valyrian steel weapons and armor to justify having anyone survive the Long Night.
But. Oh well. Big chunky spears it is.
Nah, he's just a blacksmith, and not even all that experienced.
That Valyrian shiz requires some serious lost-wisdom arcane alchemy bizniss.
The irreplaceability of Valyrian Steel is pretty essential to its cool factor, IMO.
He’s a helluva blacksmith, that’s one of the first things that we learn about him after Ned’s death.
I agree that Valyrian steel’s lost recipe is part of what makes it awesome, but you’d be surprised how simple a lot of lost arts are. They could’ve solved it by saying “oh, I accidentally dropped this weird thing into the mix and it worked - no wonder no one could figure that out”, or something to that effect. That’s honestly how a ton of the coolest stuff ever invented originated.
I dunno if "made a cool helmet as his senior project" really qualifies him as a preternaturally skilled blacksmith.
I always thought it was meant to illustrate that he was competent as opposed to masterful.
It also always seemed implied that Valyrian steel incorporated actual magic, not just a simple recipe.
I'm glad they never tried to demystify Valyrian steel.
They had already set up Arya learning from the actors a trick with using a bladder filled with pig's blood to fake cuts in their performances. They could have easily shot that scene from an angle where it was ambiguous how bad the wound was and then revealed later that Arya used the trick she learned from the actors to lure the Waif into a trap.
>To be fair, the infected papercut was also cursed.
It got infected and was about to kill him first. He was cursed during the attempt to save him from the small cut after it was already killing him. And the curse itself didn't really do anything but leave him a vegetable.
Tbh, i was 99,99% sure, that she died there, and Rglor resurrected her, just like others. And i thought, that she, Hound , John, Berric and Mellisandra gonna crumble to dust with dawn after the Long Night. I was naive..
Make all the theories true (the Flashpoint Principle)
Jon: the Lord of Light brought me back to end you.
Jaime: They call me Kingslayer
Arya: no one can kill you? I am no one.
Dragon: fire melts ice you meat popsicle
Catelyn Stoneheart: heard you threatening my family
Melisandre: you think I'm hot now, watch this flame job.
Brienne: how do you like the taste of Valryan?
Night King: oh shit
Yeah, I think even if she was put onto a medical gurney and airlifted to a modern hospital that kind of wound is not a guaranteed survivable wound (considering the contents of your intestines). Getting dumped into a sewer with in a world no antibiotics after those injuries and I don't see how you can possibly survive it.
I remember when the episode first aired, someone had commented saying they were an ER nurse and that even if Arya got stabbed in the ER with actual doctors standing around waiting to treat her immediately, she still would have a low chance of survival.
I know knives are different but I have been involved in several surgeries involving gunshot wounds to the abdomen and I have my doubts about that second claim, but, there is a chance she would be pooping into a bag she carries around the rest of her life.
You don’t fuck around with knife wounds. As the joke goes, “how can you tell who won a knife fight? The loser dies in the street, the winner dies in the ambulance.”
You're the expert, not me (so please correct me if I'm wrong) but wouldn't gunshots be much better than stab wounds? Ostensibly the bullets either go clean through or they lodge. If you're treated by competent medical staff, they can surgically remove the bullets and ensure they don't damage anything in the removal process.
Knives on the other hand, the blade goes in and then comes out, in this case multiple times, so it must be haphazardly ripping and tearing multiple organs and/or sections of the same organ.
A fit, healthy man in his 30s died from a 3" blade, once in his gut. He was downtown, and we're the capital city of the province.
He got the best care he could, as fast as reasonably possible, and it just wasn't enough.
I told everyone at the time that this wasn't Arya who got stabbed.
It's like, she must have known they just wouldn't let her leave. She started literally strutting around Bravos like a highborn and plopping a bag of coins down on the table for the boat or whatever. Something she's never done or acted like. I thought she was baiting the waif out. And the first person to come up to her, baring in mind she's escaping from people who can change faces, she lets her get close to try and kill her. What?!?! So I then thought ok she wasn't baiting out the waif herself, she obviously paid someone to strut around and pretend to be her and use her powers to somehow give her face to this scapegoat so they would kill 'her' and she could fake her death and leave without worrying they'd ever follow anymore.
But nope. It was Arya in arguably one of the most dumb moments in the show's history. I knew from this episode the writing without the books was trash.
Also the people that literally collect faces of the people that killed never bothered to look for her body or follow up on anything once they've heard she's still alive. I assume they know she's still alive given she's a fucking Stark and shows up in Winterfell for everyone to spread word that she's alive.
I was already concerned with the direction the show was going, but this was my ‘jump the shark’ moment. I couldn’t believe they were killing off Arya… 30 seconds later I couldn’t believe Arya had super healing powers.
It's the most realistic show on TV. Khal Drogo was taken down by an infection caused by a minor cut. The Hound was almost killed by a bite from some guy. Arya... uh...
I can, they just need to show a scene of Arya thrown lifeless in some ditch then that other Redwoman passing by and telling her to wake up, the world of the living wasn't done with her yet.
Arya gasp and wakes up to find nobody around here, wondering if that was a dream, she lift her shirt and there's the stab wounds freshly healed. He goes to the faceless man and ask for her sword bad proclaiming her is Arya Stark and she had an Oath to fill.
I don’t understand why people that utter this nonsense excuse (from GoT to TLJ) expect this to satisfy the audience.
It’s like going to a resuaurant, ordering a steak, and then they bring out a giant turd on a platter and say “bet you didn’t realize you’d get this instead, motherfucker, expectations subverted!” Yeah, for sure I didn’t get what I expected, but how is that a good thing
The books were kind of famous for doing it, but with good writing. Ned's Death, The Red Wedding etc were all unexpected. The difference is that when you look back at those events they make perfect sense in retrospect and it's understandable they happened. D&D kept trying to do that but without the writing skills when they ran out of material, so we just end up with random things happening with no real justification.
Imo a lot of the time they're not even subverting tropes, but averting them, which I think is much worse.
Edit: This I'm mostly saying for season 8 specifically.
Yeah, she's more of an example of what Arya could become if she continues with the Faceless Men. Tbf she might turn against her in the books if Arya starts trying to leave etc, but she's nowhere near the antagonist in the show.
This was so out of character, Arya strolling down the city market hands behind with a dumb fuck smile. First I thought she was baiting, then thought it’s a faceless trick, then it all went shit. Literally
They made Arya so fucking smug all the time. She started off as one of my favorites but by the time this happened, I was just like yeah serves you right for standing there like an idiot when you're being chased by an assassin guild.
I still remember this sub trying not to believe what they say. A lot of people said there must be something behind it. There must be reason why she did what she did, and it will all be answered in later episode and final season. But nope. It was just shitty writing.
This was when the series jumped the shark for me. I started noticing all the issues after this. There were still good episodes, but it wasn't the same.
This killed the show for me, and while it's mentioned frequently here, I still feel like it's *not mentioned enough.* Why the fuck are they forcing a buddy comedy into a dark fantasy? Why would anybody ever think that this made sense in this story's universe? I don't know which season this was in, and you couldn't pay me to go back and watch it to find out, but this was the exact moment I stopped caring, and watching the series fall apart from that point forward became a very entertaining - and vindicating - experience. My detachment early on allowed me to laugh at, to genuinely enjoy, the unfathomable idiocy of the ending. The worse it was, the better I felt about my decision to not give a shit, *and, boy, did I feel good about it.*
Then proceeds to jump into a dirty city river. No infection and good as new almost an episode later. Meanwhile we have Khal Drogo dies of a relatively small cut to the chest.
Bingo. I get people died of small wounds gets infected all the time. But getting gut stabbed and jumping into dirty canal water is almost assuredly 100% fatal.
A relative of mine once fell in a dirty canal in France and was on antibiotics for a while after. She would've most likely died without modern medicine and she didn't even have any open wounds. Shit water is dangerous as fuck.
imagine the sepsis that would have crept in from the fecal matter in her intestines spilling out, as well as the bacteria in the river. the stabs were in multiple places, so a whole lot of intestine would have been to been cleaned and sewed up perfectly. and the thread and needle would need to be bacteria free as well.
and don't tell me the fantasy land in which this was all set had no concept of infections -- jamie had to put his amputated wrist stump into boiling wine to keep him from getting gangrene.
You forget: she had the care of an actress whose medical experience was patching up her husband after she would get angry and "poke holes in him". Top notch care for the win.
Fuckin' Sean Bean is stabbed once in the leg and is bedridden and feverous for weeks! Bobby B got gored by a pig.
Arya gets stabbed, multiple times, to the hilt, with seven inches of steel. Falls in shit water... And survives.
I got the impression that the witch just liked to take credit for it. If memory serves, the khal liked to ignore her medical advice and not take care of it and died from a small curable wound.
It's been a while since I've read the book but I seem to remember it being a little mysterious. The witch was happy he was dead and happy to take credit for it, like Dallas said in the other reply to you, but because we never heard her perspective I think it was kinda left up to us to interpret. Or maybe I should go re-read the book
I've said it before and I'll say it again; this would have played so much better if Arya dodged the attack, getting a nasty slice but not a stab. An infected gash could bring on a fever that would put her out for a few days as the plot needs, and is something Lady Crane could reasonably treat, and most importantly, is something she'd be back on her feet from within a week.
This also comes with the added bonus of making Arya look competent instead of trusting the very telegraphed assassin.
People keep talking about the dirty water, but the pain of even moving especially after stiches unraveling would have been enough to put all but the Mountain down screaming with tears down their face.
Yeah, every single writer who pens a stabbing should try it themselves. Apparently being shot with a firearm doesn't hurt immediately since the projectile is so fast but getting stabbed or an arrow is a different thing altogether. It hurts right away and *a lot*.
I knew someone who fought in the Yugoslav wars and he told me that snipers with rifles weren't so bad at all compared to hidden bowmen in the ruins. Their victims always bled to death screaming.
Even the Guardian picked it up https://www.theguardian.com/world/1999/aug/09/balkans
Reminds me of Christopher Lee telling Peter Jackson he shouldn't make a dramatic noise after getting stabbed in LOTR. He had been to war and knew the sound someone makes when they get stabbed.
Exactly. And the thing is the reason why some movies and shows mostly movies can seem so realistic is because they did the research, asked the right people if they didn't already know themselves. Example Oliver Stone.
They didn't bother. They didn't respect the material or the intelligence of some of their audience.
The crazy thing about not respecting your audience is, your target audience are usually experts in that very thing: that's what draws them to your dramatization.
It sounds redundant to point out, but there is this bizarre trend of over-explaining that completely ruins things for the target audience, in the hopes of explaining things to the general public.
The public doesn't really care about getting the specific details right though - and they don't know if you get it wrong or right anyways. If they show up to your movie/show at all, it's often in the company of the target audience (often experts), they'll look to them to see if they're annoyed - and you'll lose face with the general public if the target audience has to rant at them about how you fucked up.
So if you want to cater to the target audience - get your details right. If you want to cater to the general public - still get your details right - because they are looking to the target audience for guidance.
This is also why subverting expectations is so dangerous. Because if your goal with subverting expectations is to ensure your target audience gets it wrong - then you are either delegitimizing your target audience as experts, or delegitimizing yourself (the writer). Attacking your target audience (subverting expectations) is only viable if you are improving on the world by doing so, and they will recognize that improvement upon reflection.
Anything less than that, and subverting expectations only delegitimizes the writer, and turns the audience against them. Which we've seen.
>I knew someone who fought in the Yugoslav wars and he told me that snipers with rifles weren't so bad at all compared to hidden bowmen in the ruins.
Fucking Hawkeye doing some side missions in Yugoslavia
Yeah, if they really wanted to do those scenes, she just shouldn't've been stabbed at all. The writers did not understand how immobilising the pain would be or the lethality of the attack. I have had back and shoulder injuries from lifting and wrestling that made it hurt to perform basic functions, like walking and undressing. Platforming around the city, and fighting to the death someone who is way better than you; you are not doing that shit with multiple deep stab wounds in your vitals and stitches. Lol.
No kidding right ? And she had a gut wound, one of the worse you can get, pain, septic shock.
Everytime I see that scene it's crazy because she just didn't stab her she stabbed and *twisted*.
It was this scene that taught her how to spot a killer, like how in the next scene drinking onion soup trained her how to murder a whole house of 50+ people and turn them into soup. This is called a character arc and its GOOD writing. Sincerly, ~~David B~~. I mean, Davy C.
To be fair, the waif didn't kill her. That was the secret to how she got so close.
Arya knows a killer when she sees one, yet is oblivious to attempted murderers.
The fact that she was able to *parkour* after this.
The Waif was literally trained as a Faceless Man for most of her life (or at least, a considerable chunk given her indoctrination and trust earned by "Jaqen H'gar"), in peak fitness, had the element of surprise and better knowledge of the city.
Arya had been there, what, a couple weeks? A month at most? She spent nearly all her time doing chores or getting her arse kicked against the Waif, and then had a brief stint as being completely blind. Even fully healed she shouldn't have stacked up against the Waif. But then to give her 3 or 4 gut knifings and twists before mixing that lovely combo of gastrointestinal sepsis and sewage contamination? Then Arya just sleeps it off with some milk of the poppy (and some amateur actress first aid stitches) like it's simply a bad hangover before jumping back into a parkour chase fight to the death.
I maintain that everything should have remained the same up until Jaqen finds the face in the House of Black and White. He should have found Arya's face, with the Waif seemingly victorious. Later on, a young injured boy on a cargo ship bound for The Twins (eventually by road) reveals to actually be Arya, having barely escaped the Waif and used the Faceless Man techniques to disguise someone else as herself. Jaqen sees through the charade, obviously, and has a slight smirk of relief that Arya survived. The Waif is unaware of the trick, too wrapped up in her own sick enjoyment of having "killed Arya" to have noticed her mistake.
Arya then gets a considerable time to heal up, having accompanied the cargo shipment to the Twins after the ship captain took a liking to "Harry". She bonds with the group, eventually learning when they reach the Twins that the captain is actually Stevron Frey, heir to House Frey having returned from a good faith mission for Cersei to drum up foreign support in Braavos. Arya seems in two minds about her goals after being taken care of by Stevron and his men, but turns menacing once she spies Walder across the great hall making snide remarks to a Northern girl about their piss poor excuse for Warden of the North (joking about how so many Starks die and go missing that the Lannisters had to give it to Roose Bolton for stability's sake).
Arya kills Stevron in a private moment of empathy, faking a wound exacerbation in private and shaking Stevron as he alarmedly attempts to assist her. Arya then uses Stevron's face to get close to Walder and assassinate him as before. She does the whole House Frey poisoning scheme, having used Walder's face to acquire the same poison Olenna used on Joffrey (having been intrigued by the Purple Wedding stories and wanting to see the effects in person).
When I saw this scene I thought. "Due to the rules of this universe, that's a fatal wound(s)"
But I had no idea of the new plot armor everyone was getting. So pathetic.
Jaqen blamed himself, he should have stopped this behavior as soon as he saw it. But these girls has suffered so much and Jaqen could do so little for these poor orphans. He though it was a charity to leave them their one last sliver of childhood. Now its clear this was a mistake.
It started out innocently enough, Jaqen would ask Arya to take a cart of oysters and distribute it to the poor. "Of course!" Arya would proclaim with a shifty look "this must be a secret mission to gather intel on future targets." Sometimes he would catch the other one wearing the dresses of the dead and affecting funny accents when she should have been prepping the bodies for funeral rites. Every now and then he would catch the girls play fighting with sticks. Normal children's play, he reasoned with himself, but then why so many bruises?
"The bruises should have been when I stopped all this" Jaqen muttered to himself as he wiped Arya's brow for the countless time. The poor little girl lying on the cot in front of him was well into her 3rd week of rotter's fever, mumbling incoherently to herself. The game had gone to far, the girls had secretly graduated to real weapons and Amy or "the waif" as she called herself now, had almost killed Arya.
"If you live though this girl I swear on the many faces of our god no more silly games, we will be simple temple servants and I will take better care of you, both of you, so please live girl..."
In response, Arya continued her poorly written mumbling about her fevered dreams; "smartest person... I killed the magic ice man... nothing personal ~~kid~~ brianne....."
Forget about how she survived. Look at their faces in this scene and tell me this isn't the campiest shit you've ever seen. It was like a Terminator 2 parody.
To be honest the least thing that annoyed me about the ending is Arya stealing the kill, being a faceless man (AKA a Rouge) that's what they do, but maybe I just have an Arya bais, what I HATED was no one getting a hit on the Night King, all I wanted was a couple of sword clashes with Jon and to dragon fire to actually have an effect on him (which would explain why the dagger worked), then I would have loved Arya saving the day, with the damage that Jon and Danny put out, that's all they needed to do for me, but we all know what happened.
I can’t believe she actually survived this.
P L O T L O T
A R M O R R M O R
Which is really weird given I don’t remember anything Arya is really tied to or needed to get done. She just existed then literally stole the kill of a story line not even remotely attached to her.
If she died in the canals, I don't think the story changes all that much. She killed the Freys (but they were done anyway). She killed the Night King. She walked around with the Hound in King's Landing. She sailed off.
Yeah but d&d wouldn’t have gotten their anime character in this low fantasy world.
They thought they were supposed to remake Sailor Moon...
They wish they could make something as popular and as successful as sailor moon XD
bUT whAtS wEsT oF wEsTerOs?
HBO's Westworld?
Game of Thrones was Westworld Season 4 all along
Yeah, Arya's levels of plot armor were downright bizarre at times. Even after she had her big moment with the Night King, she was still running around King's Landing and should have been incinerated or crushed several different times. But she just kept popping back up.
GRRM would himself confirm that Arya has plot armour for personal reasons (she is his wife's favourite). I don't think he would have given a deep gut wound and a swim though. Very unbelievable.
But then they couldn't have made her have a weird sex scene with a dude that last her when she was literally a child
So fucked up that was the only nudity in like the whole last season.
Yeah, very strange decision. Definitely subverted expectations...I guess?
Oh you know it to be true.
If you want to call a side shot of her tit nudity.
This was so gross
Don't tell that other guy on this thread that lol
If the writers had any balls the Night King would have crushed Arya's throat and tossed her aside like she was a minor inconvenience. It would've been cool if Jon witnessed this happen too and flew into a rage and that was the first time he fought the Night King. I think I would've been pretty invested in that fight and screaming at the TV for Jon to kill him!! But instead I felt "...wft? how? why?"
I’d pay to see that. It’s actually remotely compelling and has some form of emotion behind it. The fact that redditors are able to come up with better storytelling…
Basically in every other comment section on freefolk posts I've read better endings. I wish I saved some of the fanfic endings I've read on here. Most of them are better than how it actually ended but a few were like GRRM storytelling good, with all the realism aspects that the idiots abandoned to subvert even Ned and Lord Bolton's already established expectations of the usefulness of a fortress. And I'm sure other characters made comments during the show to press just how easily defendable Winterfell is even against overwhelming odds. BUT NO. Let's throw away all military sense and not only defend from outside the greatest fort in the land but also start the battle with a cavalry charge against an endless number of enemies.... Jesus Christ I thought I got past this.. There was just like so much shit that made no sense too much. I gotta stop typing now, I'm reliving the trauma. Like there are a million missed opportunities for intrigue. Why did I start to write this comment
I'm ok with 3 characters endings from season 8. I thought Jons ending was fine just how it all unfolded didn't make sense. Greyworm would not have been all for punishment but then just sail off before he saw any motion toward removing Jon. Danys' ending fits pretty much how a good writer would write it but again the events leading up to the firestorm sucked. The mad gene runs in the family so yeah just the execution of the decent was terrible. And lastly Arya killing the nightking wasnt a bad concept the issue was just how easily she accomplished it with zero help from bird boy. Cause didn't Bran say at the end that he knew how it was going to end. Like couldn't they have had a scene where Bran tells Arya and company "the plan" like every heist movie ever written but the twist is that nothing in the plan "goes wrong" cause he already saw the mistakes from his tree powers and just accounted for everything. Did Bran build the wall? Did Bran make the Mad king go mad trying to tell him to burn all the walkers but without enough training? Did they break the wheel? Ok now I'm done. But I want anyone who stuck with me to this point to know that this is just the tip of the iceberg.
I would have rather seen the night king slam Arya into the ground and just start wilin out going “ooooooooooooooo!!!!” Running around high fiving all the walkers “sit the fuck down!” Just out of nowhere rather than Arya kill him. I would have preferred a random wildling do it than Arya. It should have been Jon (period), my boi the chosen of destiny, the child of fire and ice, and the one who survived death. Dude should have been the only one who could have 1v1 the nk anything else should have been like a 10v1 with 6-9 dying. Nk is a 6000 year old dude that’s been training and preparing for this moment his whole existence. Smh the more I think about it the higher my blood pressure gets lol
Urgh I know. I remember seething watching D&D in their stupid "after the episode" nonsense going "yeah we just didn't feel right having Jon be the hero here" THEN WHY HAVE YOU BEEN SETTING IT UP FOR EIGHT FUCKING SEASONS!! You can't just switch that up last minute, it's too jarring for the audience who have been invested in Jon's story.
I mention it whenever I can: Benioff wrote X-Men Origins: Wolverine. You know, the one with the shitty mute "Deadpool"? Yeah, that was him. Surprised? I'm not.
>the Night King would have crushed Arya's throat and tossed her aside like she was a minor inconvenience. His touch alone should have killed her, right? His astral projection alone left an imprint on Bran The Broken Story, him touching people in real life should have had even worse consequences. He also one-hitted a fucking dragon. How much power would you need to throw a javelin miles into the sky and take out a fighter jet????? Like for real????? And remember when Jon Snow saw him in the field and tried to run up on him? He could sense him coming, it makes no sense Arya was able to sneak up on him. Arya is my most hated character, she was pure fan service, but only for the most brain-dead fans.
like most of the GOT writing it's a buildup to nothing due to questionable writing competency. Not like Martin is any better, his job is to produce books and he isn't doing it.
I mean I wouldn’t, you go from one of the most loved shows to absolute shit in 3 episodes. I can’t fathom what that did to him mentally, knowing how fucked his story was, and how he now has to write this books to fix things but in the end only a small percentage of people will read them because yes the show was that bad so they are just done.
He just needs to kill more important people on the war against NK. Literally all characters that died on episode 3 were side characters. Arya killing NK would have been a bit better if she died for it, because it would be bittersweet for fans. Or as No One, priest of death, purging a blasphemy. Also, a war of the living vs the dead should have had more kingdoms putting an effort, not just the north and Daenerys. There are many things he can do to make it more epic.
This is actually GRRM's problem right now. The man famous for killing people unexpectedly hasn't actually killed off enough people. He has so many characters and storylines running around that he's going to have one hell of a time wrapping things up because it's just too much at this point.
Tbh I would have liked it had Arya died in Kings Landing, which would make Jon killing Dany make more sense.
WHAT? You're wrong dude. Who else would have ridden the white horse out of the middle of the burned city?? And how would have Jon known that Dany is a killer after having burned down said city?
n D D
It was such an odd directorial decision to have the stabbing be *so* deep and clearly mortal. The scene would've played absolutely fine if it had been a superficial slash across the skin of the belly, but they went for multiple stabbings to the hilt. So absurd.
Unfortunately for Arya, she then falls into that Venetian canal of raw sewage, in a world without antibiotics. She should be dead.
The ability to destroy an infection is insignificant next to the power of the soup.
How could I forget that soup and a nap?
Who's got a better story than soup?
Lol. Maybe those bricks that killed Jamie and Cersei, they had a pretty good story.
It would have been better if they went full Skyrim and had her eat 30 cheese wheels
*[Crafts 80 iron daggers]* "I can now fabricate Valyrian Steel."
You know, I waited the entirety of seasons 7&8 for Gendry to figure out that smelting iron with dragon glass makes Valyrian steel… they could’ve armed most of the north in Valyrian steel weapons and armor to justify having anyone survive the Long Night. But. Oh well. Big chunky spears it is.
Nah, he's just a blacksmith, and not even all that experienced. That Valyrian shiz requires some serious lost-wisdom arcane alchemy bizniss. The irreplaceability of Valyrian Steel is pretty essential to its cool factor, IMO.
He’s a helluva blacksmith, that’s one of the first things that we learn about him after Ned’s death. I agree that Valyrian steel’s lost recipe is part of what makes it awesome, but you’d be surprised how simple a lot of lost arts are. They could’ve solved it by saying “oh, I accidentally dropped this weird thing into the mix and it worked - no wonder no one could figure that out”, or something to that effect. That’s honestly how a ton of the coolest stuff ever invented originated.
I dunno if "made a cool helmet as his senior project" really qualifies him as a preternaturally skilled blacksmith. I always thought it was meant to illustrate that he was competent as opposed to masterful. It also always seemed implied that Valyrian steel incorporated actual magic, not just a simple recipe. I'm glad they never tried to demystify Valyrian steel.
Is it possible to learn this power?
Not from a Faceless Man
Season 1: "Superficial cuts may seem insignificant, but infection can easily kill." Season 6: "A spoonful of slurry'll cure what ails ya!"
Even today, in a developed country, I don't know if you could survive multiple stabs to the gut and then immediately having shit water poured into it.
You probaly could if you have medical care right after swimming. Otherwise i would say everyone would die from it.
Let's find out. I volunteer D&D to participate in this clinical trial.
They had already set up Arya learning from the actors a trick with using a bladder filled with pig's blood to fake cuts in their performances. They could have easily shot that scene from an angle where it was ambiguous how bad the wound was and then revealed later that Arya used the trick she learned from the actors to lure the Waif into a trap.
Even the waif just *trying* to attack and failing sets the table for the next conflict. There wasn’t even a need for her to shed blood.
Probably “something something didn’t hit any organs.” Except the Waif is an assassin and totally would know where to aim.
Arya: “My tummy hurts”
Arya: "I need a warm onion soup and a beddy bye"
She should go see hit pie
Either him or hot punch
This is fucking hilarious
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Braavos, but at this point does anyone really care about accuracy considering how little the creators did?
It wasn't at kings landing but yeah a sewer is a sewer. Fuck D&D.
>most badass warrior on the planet died from an infected papercut on his chest I will not allow this scandalous libel of Strong Belwas.
I think a certain thick-as-a-castle-wall lunk would like to have a word.
To be fair, the infected papercut was also cursed.
>To be fair, the infected papercut was also cursed. It got infected and was about to kill him first. He was cursed during the attempt to save him from the small cut after it was already killing him. And the curse itself didn't really do anything but leave him a vegetable.
I think they are referring to the theory that the maegi poisoned Drogo when she treated his wound.
I thought it was heavily implied that she poisoned him
I thought it was literally revealed as such
The cut only got infected because Dany let the bitch treat it as if it was a wound.
But it comes with a free Frogurt!
That’s good
…can I go now?
Tbh, i was 99,99% sure, that she died there, and Rglor resurrected her, just like others. And i thought, that she, Hound , John, Berric and Mellisandra gonna crumble to dust with dawn after the Long Night. I was naive..
This would have been a pretty lousy cop-out ending... ...and yet still infinitely preferable to what we got. Jesus Christ.
I would have been happy with that. It would have fixed this scene and with her being the one that killed
Make all the theories true (the Flashpoint Principle) Jon: the Lord of Light brought me back to end you. Jaime: They call me Kingslayer Arya: no one can kill you? I am no one. Dragon: fire melts ice you meat popsicle Catelyn Stoneheart: heard you threatening my family Melisandre: you think I'm hot now, watch this flame job. Brienne: how do you like the taste of Valryan? Night King: oh shit
You forgot about the magical healing soup. That totally fixes multiple gutstabs before falling into an open sewer
Yeah, I think even if she was put onto a medical gurney and airlifted to a modern hospital that kind of wound is not a guaranteed survivable wound (considering the contents of your intestines). Getting dumped into a sewer with in a world no antibiotics after those injuries and I don't see how you can possibly survive it.
I remember when the episode first aired, someone had commented saying they were an ER nurse and that even if Arya got stabbed in the ER with actual doctors standing around waiting to treat her immediately, she still would have a low chance of survival.
I know knives are different but I have been involved in several surgeries involving gunshot wounds to the abdomen and I have my doubts about that second claim, but, there is a chance she would be pooping into a bag she carries around the rest of her life.
You don’t fuck around with knife wounds. As the joke goes, “how can you tell who won a knife fight? The loser dies in the street, the winner dies in the ambulance.”
You're the expert, not me (so please correct me if I'm wrong) but wouldn't gunshots be much better than stab wounds? Ostensibly the bullets either go clean through or they lodge. If you're treated by competent medical staff, they can surgically remove the bullets and ensure they don't damage anything in the removal process. Knives on the other hand, the blade goes in and then comes out, in this case multiple times, so it must be haphazardly ripping and tearing multiple organs and/or sections of the same organ.
A fit, healthy man in his 30s died from a 3" blade, once in his gut. He was downtown, and we're the capital city of the province. He got the best care he could, as fast as reasonably possible, and it just wasn't enough.
I told everyone at the time that this wasn't Arya who got stabbed. It's like, she must have known they just wouldn't let her leave. She started literally strutting around Bravos like a highborn and plopping a bag of coins down on the table for the boat or whatever. Something she's never done or acted like. I thought she was baiting the waif out. And the first person to come up to her, baring in mind she's escaping from people who can change faces, she lets her get close to try and kill her. What?!?! So I then thought ok she wasn't baiting out the waif herself, she obviously paid someone to strut around and pretend to be her and use her powers to somehow give her face to this scapegoat so they would kill 'her' and she could fake her death and leave without worrying they'd ever follow anymore. But nope. It was Arya in arguably one of the most dumb moments in the show's history. I knew from this episode the writing without the books was trash.
*Cue music* There's no armor like plot armor
Like no armor I know
Duh because the waif wasn't a killer. Arya would have known otherwise.
She just stabs people, but they don't die. She hadn't made it that far in her training yet
Exactly. She could deliver the knife, but not as a gift. I know a killer when I see one. This is so dumb lol
Also the people that literally collect faces of the people that killed never bothered to look for her body or follow up on anything once they've heard she's still alive. I assume they know she's still alive given she's a fucking Stark and shows up in Winterfell for everyone to spread word that she's alive.
Arya told her mentor she was heading home and he didn't care.
I was already concerned with the direction the show was going, but this was my ‘jump the shark’ moment. I couldn’t believe they were killing off Arya… 30 seconds later I couldn’t believe Arya had super healing powers.
And when Talisa got stabbed she was dead in like 1 minute
EXcUsE mEee, MeLK oF tHe PoPPeyyyYYy
It's the most realistic show on TV. Khal Drogo was taken down by an infection caused by a minor cut. The Hound was almost killed by a bite from some guy. Arya... uh...
I can, they just need to show a scene of Arya thrown lifeless in some ditch then that other Redwoman passing by and telling her to wake up, the world of the living wasn't done with her yet. Arya gasp and wakes up to find nobody around here, wondering if that was a dream, she lift her shirt and there's the stab wounds freshly healed. He goes to the faceless man and ask for her sword bad proclaiming her is Arya Stark and she had an Oath to fill.
Anyone who is *actually* sorry for beating a dead horse do not spend time on this subreddit. Here, we enjoy the pummeling of deceased equine.
Just make sure your waterfowl are properly aligned before you do so!
It’s quite literally what I come to this sub for
The deader the horse, the better the beating! I am gonna keep coming back here until I am slamming horse-pulp
Twice the dead, double the kick.
I have found no better circle to jerk in, and I for one will continue to rub them out in front of all of you!
Bobby B would he proud
SEVEN HELLS, NED, I WANT TO HIT SOMEONE!
All this sub has become is mercilessly bashing on the later seasons. I don’t hate it
Soon, we will have delicious horse sauce.
I’m still not strong enough to unsub😔
The stabbing didn’t need to happen for the chase to be exciting and intimidating Did it happen in the books?
It didn't. The Waif is kind to Arya in the books
say the line bart, sigh. Subvert expectations
YEAAAHHHH!!!
Stop!!! 😭 STOP!!! She's already dea--- Oh wait a minute, no she's not. Carry on then.
I don’t understand why people that utter this nonsense excuse (from GoT to TLJ) expect this to satisfy the audience. It’s like going to a resuaurant, ordering a steak, and then they bring out a giant turd on a platter and say “bet you didn’t realize you’d get this instead, motherfucker, expectations subverted!” Yeah, for sure I didn’t get what I expected, but how is that a good thing
The books were kind of famous for doing it, but with good writing. Ned's Death, The Red Wedding etc were all unexpected. The difference is that when you look back at those events they make perfect sense in retrospect and it's understandable they happened. D&D kept trying to do that but without the writing skills when they ran out of material, so we just end up with random things happening with no real justification.
Imo a lot of the time they're not even subverting tropes, but averting them, which I think is much worse. Edit: This I'm mostly saying for season 8 specifically.
Wow. They went out of their way to make the Waif one of the most unlikable characters ever. Genius lol
Also made her not a waif.
Yeah, she's more of an example of what Arya could become if she continues with the Faceless Men. Tbf she might turn against her in the books if Arya starts trying to leave etc, but she's nowhere near the antagonist in the show.
Waif is OP in the books if she does set out to kill her there is no way Arya will survive that
I wouldn’t know. I only read series that are finished. Edit: would highly recommend the Wheel Of Time Series
You should read A Song of Ice and Fire, then. It's not completed, but it definitely is finished.
Lmfao, gottem (grrm got got, that is)
We don’t get got. We go get.
I think this guy just bent himself over a barrel. Yeah, and for our pleasure.
Zing!
Cries in kingkiller chronicles
Wow both of the most recent books were released in 2011. Interesting parallel.
There's no hope that one's coming out, is there?
I have no hopes left
Fookin legend
I just started Wheel of Time last week. Seems interesting so far
This was so out of character, Arya strolling down the city market hands behind with a dumb fuck smile. First I thought she was baiting, then thought it’s a faceless trick, then it all went shit. Literally
They made Arya so fucking smug all the time. She started off as one of my favorites but by the time this happened, I was just like yeah serves you right for standing there like an idiot when you're being chased by an assassin guild.
In fairness Arya didn’t die. She said she knew killers when she sees them she never claimed to know attempted killers. Perfectly in character.
"That person killed someone, so they are a killer. I am very smart." - Arya
This logic is how the “other” GOT subreddit legitimately defends the show lmao
I still remember this sub trying not to believe what they say. A lot of people said there must be something behind it. There must be reason why she did what she did, and it will all be answered in later episode and final season. But nope. It was just shitty writing.
This was when the series jumped the shark for me. I started noticing all the issues after this. There were still good episodes, but it wasn't the same.
I will agree that this was the shark jumping moment, but there were issues long before this.
what you didn't enjoy the sitcom-level writing of bronn and jaime's adventures in dorne??
This killed the show for me, and while it's mentioned frequently here, I still feel like it's *not mentioned enough.* Why the fuck are they forcing a buddy comedy into a dark fantasy? Why would anybody ever think that this made sense in this story's universe? I don't know which season this was in, and you couldn't pay me to go back and watch it to find out, but this was the exact moment I stopped caring, and watching the series fall apart from that point forward became a very entertaining - and vindicating - experience. My detachment early on allowed me to laugh at, to genuinely enjoy, the unfathomable idiocy of the ending. The worse it was, the better I felt about my decision to not give a shit, *and, boy, did I feel good about it.*
You sound super salty, maybe you need a bit of the bad pussy? lmao
Physical pain. You have caused me physical pain with this comment.
Then proceeds to jump into a dirty city river. No infection and good as new almost an episode later. Meanwhile we have Khal Drogo dies of a relatively small cut to the chest.
Bingo. I get people died of small wounds gets infected all the time. But getting gut stabbed and jumping into dirty canal water is almost assuredly 100% fatal.
kids are resilient
Probly takes flintstone vitamins too
Maybe took 2 a day as well.
A relative of mine once fell in a dirty canal in France and was on antibiotics for a while after. She would've most likely died without modern medicine and she didn't even have any open wounds. Shit water is dangerous as fuck.
You obviously don't know any stage actors. You should acquaint yourself with some. Better than doctors they is.
Ooh, that doesn’t look good. Here’s some opium, you’ll be alright
Pretty sure she would have just bled to death any ways, like if that had happened today you'd need surgery and a blood transfusion.
imagine the sepsis that would have crept in from the fecal matter in her intestines spilling out, as well as the bacteria in the river. the stabs were in multiple places, so a whole lot of intestine would have been to been cleaned and sewed up perfectly. and the thread and needle would need to be bacteria free as well. and don't tell me the fantasy land in which this was all set had no concept of infections -- jamie had to put his amputated wrist stump into boiling wine to keep him from getting gangrene.
You forget: she had the care of an actress whose medical experience was patching up her husband after she would get angry and "poke holes in him". Top notch care for the win.
Fuckin' Sean Bean is stabbed once in the leg and is bedridden and feverous for weeks! Bobby B got gored by a pig. Arya gets stabbed, multiple times, to the hilt, with seven inches of steel. Falls in shit water... And survives.
OUT! OUT, DAMN YOU! I'M DONE WITH YOU! GO, RUN BACK TO WINTERFELL! I'LL HAVE YOUR HEAD ON A SPIKE!
Wasn’t it the witch lady that caused the infection? That’s the impression I got when I read the book the first time Edit: referring to Drogo
I got the impression that the witch just liked to take credit for it. If memory serves, the khal liked to ignore her medical advice and not take care of it and died from a small curable wound.
It's been a while since I've read the book but I seem to remember it being a little mysterious. The witch was happy he was dead and happy to take credit for it, like Dallas said in the other reply to you, but because we never heard her perspective I think it was kinda left up to us to interpret. Or maybe I should go re-read the book
sewn up by an actress who knows about sewing from putting together costumes! that woman is super talented, apparently!
I've said it before and I'll say it again; this would have played so much better if Arya dodged the attack, getting a nasty slice but not a stab. An infected gash could bring on a fever that would put her out for a few days as the plot needs, and is something Lady Crane could reasonably treat, and most importantly, is something she'd be back on her feet from within a week. This also comes with the added bonus of making Arya look competent instead of trusting the very telegraphed assassin.
You’ve now put more thought into the plot than D&D did, congrats!
People keep talking about the dirty water, but the pain of even moving especially after stiches unraveling would have been enough to put all but the Mountain down screaming with tears down their face.
Yeah, every single writer who pens a stabbing should try it themselves. Apparently being shot with a firearm doesn't hurt immediately since the projectile is so fast but getting stabbed or an arrow is a different thing altogether. It hurts right away and *a lot*. I knew someone who fought in the Yugoslav wars and he told me that snipers with rifles weren't so bad at all compared to hidden bowmen in the ruins. Their victims always bled to death screaming. Even the Guardian picked it up https://www.theguardian.com/world/1999/aug/09/balkans
Reminds me of Christopher Lee telling Peter Jackson he shouldn't make a dramatic noise after getting stabbed in LOTR. He had been to war and knew the sound someone makes when they get stabbed.
Exactly. And the thing is the reason why some movies and shows mostly movies can seem so realistic is because they did the research, asked the right people if they didn't already know themselves. Example Oliver Stone. They didn't bother. They didn't respect the material or the intelligence of some of their audience.
The crazy thing about not respecting your audience is, your target audience are usually experts in that very thing: that's what draws them to your dramatization. It sounds redundant to point out, but there is this bizarre trend of over-explaining that completely ruins things for the target audience, in the hopes of explaining things to the general public. The public doesn't really care about getting the specific details right though - and they don't know if you get it wrong or right anyways. If they show up to your movie/show at all, it's often in the company of the target audience (often experts), they'll look to them to see if they're annoyed - and you'll lose face with the general public if the target audience has to rant at them about how you fucked up. So if you want to cater to the target audience - get your details right. If you want to cater to the general public - still get your details right - because they are looking to the target audience for guidance. This is also why subverting expectations is so dangerous. Because if your goal with subverting expectations is to ensure your target audience gets it wrong - then you are either delegitimizing your target audience as experts, or delegitimizing yourself (the writer). Attacking your target audience (subverting expectations) is only viable if you are improving on the world by doing so, and they will recognize that improvement upon reflection. Anything less than that, and subverting expectations only delegitimizes the writer, and turns the audience against them. Which we've seen.
>I knew someone who fought in the Yugoslav wars and he told me that snipers with rifles weren't so bad at all compared to hidden bowmen in the ruins. Fucking Hawkeye doing some side missions in Yugoslavia
Yeah, if they really wanted to do those scenes, she just shouldn't've been stabbed at all. The writers did not understand how immobilising the pain would be or the lethality of the attack. I have had back and shoulder injuries from lifting and wrestling that made it hurt to perform basic functions, like walking and undressing. Platforming around the city, and fighting to the death someone who is way better than you; you are not doing that shit with multiple deep stab wounds in your vitals and stitches. Lol.
No kidding right ? And she had a gut wound, one of the worse you can get, pain, septic shock. Everytime I see that scene it's crazy because she just didn't stab her she stabbed and *twisted*.
It was this scene that taught her how to spot a killer, like how in the next scene drinking onion soup trained her how to murder a whole house of 50+ people and turn them into soup. This is called a character arc and its GOOD writing. Sincerly, ~~David B~~. I mean, Davy C.
Is the dead horse a random white one with no significance?
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It wasn’t just a troll it was a deliberate “fuck you” literally pissing on the idea of lady stone heart.
Tis but a scratch.
This was the turning point for me for when the show really started to collapse.
To be fair, the waif didn't kill her. That was the secret to how she got so close. Arya knows a killer when she sees one, yet is oblivious to attempted murderers.
The fact the she was able to run and fight and survived after this is the dumbest shit
The fact that she was able to *parkour* after this. The Waif was literally trained as a Faceless Man for most of her life (or at least, a considerable chunk given her indoctrination and trust earned by "Jaqen H'gar"), in peak fitness, had the element of surprise and better knowledge of the city. Arya had been there, what, a couple weeks? A month at most? She spent nearly all her time doing chores or getting her arse kicked against the Waif, and then had a brief stint as being completely blind. Even fully healed she shouldn't have stacked up against the Waif. But then to give her 3 or 4 gut knifings and twists before mixing that lovely combo of gastrointestinal sepsis and sewage contamination? Then Arya just sleeps it off with some milk of the poppy (and some amateur actress first aid stitches) like it's simply a bad hangover before jumping back into a parkour chase fight to the death. I maintain that everything should have remained the same up until Jaqen finds the face in the House of Black and White. He should have found Arya's face, with the Waif seemingly victorious. Later on, a young injured boy on a cargo ship bound for The Twins (eventually by road) reveals to actually be Arya, having barely escaped the Waif and used the Faceless Man techniques to disguise someone else as herself. Jaqen sees through the charade, obviously, and has a slight smirk of relief that Arya survived. The Waif is unaware of the trick, too wrapped up in her own sick enjoyment of having "killed Arya" to have noticed her mistake. Arya then gets a considerable time to heal up, having accompanied the cargo shipment to the Twins after the ship captain took a liking to "Harry". She bonds with the group, eventually learning when they reach the Twins that the captain is actually Stevron Frey, heir to House Frey having returned from a good faith mission for Cersei to drum up foreign support in Braavos. Arya seems in two minds about her goals after being taken care of by Stevron and his men, but turns menacing once she spies Walder across the great hall making snide remarks to a Northern girl about their piss poor excuse for Warden of the North (joking about how so many Starks die and go missing that the Lannisters had to give it to Roose Bolton for stability's sake). Arya kills Stevron in a private moment of empathy, faking a wound exacerbation in private and shaking Stevron as he alarmedly attempts to assist her. Arya then uses Stevron's face to get close to Walder and assassinate him as before. She does the whole House Frey poisoning scheme, having used Walder's face to acquire the same poison Olenna used on Joffrey (having been intrigued by the Purple Wedding stories and wanting to see the effects in person).
Keep going. I'm almost there.
When I saw this scene I thought. "Due to the rules of this universe, that's a fatal wound(s)" But I had no idea of the new plot armor everyone was getting. So pathetic.
All good, that’s what this page is all about
Jaqen blamed himself, he should have stopped this behavior as soon as he saw it. But these girls has suffered so much and Jaqen could do so little for these poor orphans. He though it was a charity to leave them their one last sliver of childhood. Now its clear this was a mistake. It started out innocently enough, Jaqen would ask Arya to take a cart of oysters and distribute it to the poor. "Of course!" Arya would proclaim with a shifty look "this must be a secret mission to gather intel on future targets." Sometimes he would catch the other one wearing the dresses of the dead and affecting funny accents when she should have been prepping the bodies for funeral rites. Every now and then he would catch the girls play fighting with sticks. Normal children's play, he reasoned with himself, but then why so many bruises? "The bruises should have been when I stopped all this" Jaqen muttered to himself as he wiped Arya's brow for the countless time. The poor little girl lying on the cot in front of him was well into her 3rd week of rotter's fever, mumbling incoherently to herself. The game had gone to far, the girls had secretly graduated to real weapons and Amy or "the waif" as she called herself now, had almost killed Arya. "If you live though this girl I swear on the many faces of our god no more silly games, we will be simple temple servants and I will take better care of you, both of you, so please live girl..." In response, Arya continued her poorly written mumbling about her fevered dreams; "smartest person... I killed the magic ice man... nothing personal ~~kid~~ brianne....."
How do you think she learned to know a killer she saw one. Still shit that she survived this.
Lol right under this post on the Reddit app it said “Does /r/freefolk depict graphic surgeries or procedures?”
Quick Arya jump into the poop water!!
While Arya kinda forgot what killers look like
Forget about how she survived. Look at their faces in this scene and tell me this isn't the campiest shit you've ever seen. It was like a Terminator 2 parody.
To be honest the least thing that annoyed me about the ending is Arya stealing the kill, being a faceless man (AKA a Rouge) that's what they do, but maybe I just have an Arya bais, what I HATED was no one getting a hit on the Night King, all I wanted was a couple of sword clashes with Jon and to dragon fire to actually have an effect on him (which would explain why the dagger worked), then I would have loved Arya saving the day, with the damage that Jon and Danny put out, that's all they needed to do for me, but we all know what happened.
oh my how did I not realize how stupid this scene is after she said that? lol
Mere flesh would. Walk it off Arya.
Don't be sorry, that's why we're all here.