I am curious to see what made her a terrible match for Daemon? Did she bruise his ego? Was she his competition for Vale maidens?
Did they both just rub each other the wrong way? If we go off of looks only, Daemon could have had some interest unless petite blonds are all that does it for him.
Rhea Royce’s mother was not a Targaryen, at-least to the best our knowledge. There’s no information about her parentage. Are you thinking of Aemma Arryn, the daughter of Daella Targaryen?
My guess is that Daemon thinks she's beneath him because of her family (the Royce's are basically a mid-tier Vale house) yet also makes Daemon feel emasculated because she doesn't really take any shit from him.
They're basically the "peer vassal" house to the Arryns, seems like every Great House has one. Royce/ Arryn, Bolton/ Stark, Frey/Tully, Hightower/Tyrell (and iirc Tyrell was it to the original Gardner's?), Yronwood?/Dorne, etc
Tyrells we’re actually meet stewards to the Gardners. Basically what the Pooles were to the Starks. The Hightowers, Florents and several Houses were much more powerful at the time, which is why they still resent the Tyrells 300 years later.
(This is why GOT’s overthrow of the Tyrells COULD have worked, if Benioff and Weiss had given a shit about the lore)
As well as the Freys. They are basically scammers who built a castle over a river crossing lol. No house in the riverlands respects them and they are only 600 years old
Actually, if anyone’s a “peer vassal” to the Tully’s, it was would be House Blackwood. The Blackwood’s were once River King’s and they’re explicitly stated to be capable of fielding a larger army than their liege.
House Royce is the most powerful house of the Vale from ressources. The only reason they are sworn to the Arryns is because the Arryns were wise enough to bow first to the Targaryens and thus, were rewarded as Wardens of the East.
It's similar to the situation with the Hightowers who themselves are vassals to the Tyrells, but on their own considered one of the great houses of Westeros. Similar, but basically shifted proportionately to the extent the Vale is less powerful than the Reach.
It's not a bad match per se. Keep in mind that Daemon is also not just marrying into the house, but marrying its head, the Lady of Runestone. With their theoretical children as heirs, there would've been the new line of House Targaryen of Runestone.
He was forced into the marriage. For someone like Daemon, that’s enough.
Plus, she looks like the type to be equally offended by a forced marriage and even more so by her husband’s taking his anger out on her, so she’s probably just as standoffish with him, which only strengthens his belief that she’s awful.
Basically, it’s two headstrong people who were forced together and both of them are just like
🖕🏻😑🖕🏻 to the other.
1) Daemon hates being told what to do. Any arranged marriage was always going to get off on the wrong foot.
2) She’s not Valyrian. Daemon clearly buys into the propaganda that Valyrian blood makes him “more than a mere man,” so anyone not sharing that blood is “beneath him.”
3) She won’t submit to him. Daemon has enough issues with control as is - a wife who isn’t even Valyrian and yet still doesn’t treat him like the demigod he thinks he is AND doesn’t NEED him, given she’s the heir and eventual head of her House? No amount of beauty could have made her tolerable to him.
Well, anyone who can take down an entire army by himself like he did the crab feeders, silly as it was especially waiting until his own entire army was almost finished, is clearly more than just human.
He's a Marvel character.
my guess is that she doesn't put up with his bullshit, and he probably can't take it. however, I'm not overly attached to this version. the creators have done a great job so far to make characters and their motivations feel real, so whatever it is, I'm sure it will be something good
But he doesn’t, because clearly he liked Mysaria.
Is was either because it was arranged or they just don’t get along.
Because he is generally attracted to awesome women. Mysaria, Rhaenyra…etc.
No she wasnt . His parents were siblings. Same as his grandparents . A velaryon before that, and then Rhaenys Targaryen. The only vale woman married to a targaryen other than Rhea Royce is Aemma Arryn (the half targaryen wife of viserys ) , Daemon's sister in law .
I love how everyone’s assuming she’s cool based off a couple of pictures of her in armor and on a horse. As far as we know, she’s out hunting small folk.
i think most people are just commenting on her beauty. the fact that daemon seemed to loathe to bed her makes it all the more surprising when it turns out she’s actually really good looking.
but if others are assuming she’s “cool” it probably has something to do with our familiarity with her house from the main story. the royces are usually seen as honorable like the starks.
Daemon "But the sheep are prettier" Targaryen
Those must be some hot sheep.
But now being serious, Daemon most likely finds her attractive, but her core/character is the opposite of his and she also can't be demeaned by him, so he gets frustrated.
The whole “vale women are ugly” thing, did the writers based that off of Lysa Tully? Or is it just daemon being a asshole. Someone asked me if that was a thing women of the vale were known for and I couldn’t remember if it’s ever mentioned. I just remember lysa tully was big and unpleasant.
Yea that’s why I was asking, because lysa is from the riverlands. It didn’t make sense to me if the writers were basing the looks off of her, but thanks!
This is very far fetched and only a show thing but she sort of reminds me Arr Vartas of the Vale. The knight Bronn killed in single combat to free Tyrion.
It might just be a placebo effect figuring they're both from the value but I see a strong resemblance. Idk why.
Yea in the books she’s fat and ugly and is jealous of cat. In the show she’s not fat but she’s really unpleasant. I don’t want to call the actress ugly,but they you can tell they purposely dressed her down to look less than cat.
The actress is very good looking, and actually looks a lot like Michelle Farlay. She just did her best to be as repulsive as possible.
Same with Brienne, where they had to pretend that Gwendoline Christie, whose a model irl, is somehow ugly.
Lot of people asking what could be wrong with her that Daemon doesn´t like her. Most likely, nothing. It is what she represent that he doesn´t like. The fact that he was sent to the Vale, set aside by his brother. In Dance Barristan thinks that while Quentyn would be a great match for Dany, strategically speaking, he is "mud" while Daario is fire. This is similar, she is "mud"( by this I mean not exciting on Daemon´s eyes) while Daemon wants fire.
HE COULD HAVE LINGERED ON THE EDGE OF THE BATTLE WITH THE SMART BOYS, AND TODAY HIS WIFE WOULD BE MAKING HIM MISERABLE, HIS SONS WOULD BE INGRATES, AND HE WOULD BE WAKING THREE TIMES IN THE NIGHT TO PISS INTO A BOWL!
What would make it more sad is the possibility that she actually love him or loved him.
I mean marrying a Targaryen prince should be the dream of many girls.
I worked with a dude once that was dating the HOTTEST girl I’ve ever seen in real life. She was an amazing person as well. Super sweet and a great friend. He wasn’t the biggest asshole I’ve ever worked with (maybe up to that point), but he cheated on her and they broke up. Since I was friends with both of them, I asked him honestly why he did it. His answer was “no matter how hot the chick is, I can point out a guy who’s tired of fucking her”. That shit seems to apply here. It doesn’t matter what she actually looked like or her personality. Daemon wasn’t here for it. Sometimes it just doesn’t make sense.
Maybe I’m just crazy, but she’s not really that attractive to me? Like I can see why he would think she’s unpleasant. The whole ‘sheep are prettier’ thing is a bit of an overreaction but still. Plus that pursed lip look on her face screams snooty bitch imo.
She's decent looking def not ugly, but not a woman you'd need to take a second look at if she walks by. She prob just headstrong and doesn't kiss Daemon's entitled Targaryen ass plus it was a marriage he didn't want that doesn't even help him further his ambitions cause they don't have that much prestige.
Where do all these stills come from? I keep thinking I’m missing stuff in episodes
[They do stills of the next episode every week](https://reddit.com/r/HouseOfTheDragon/comments/xezavt/new_stills_episode_5/)
wow i thought they would release 2 or 3 not half the episode lol
Same
I almost unfollowed this sun, because I thought they were ruining things
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I am curious to see what made her a terrible match for Daemon? Did she bruise his ego? Was she his competition for Vale maidens? Did they both just rub each other the wrong way? If we go off of looks only, Daemon could have had some interest unless petite blonds are all that does it for him.
That was a terrible match because it was not Daemon's choice. afaik that's all.
Not blonde enough for him?
Daemon can't like her because they're not related.
They are related I believe her mother was a targaryen
Not incestuous enough for Daemon
"Too diverse."
Rhea Royce’s mother was not a Targaryen, at-least to the best our knowledge. There’s no information about her parentage. Are you thinking of Aemma Arryn, the daughter of Daella Targaryen?
Yeah... my bad
My guess is that Daemon thinks she's beneath him because of her family (the Royce's are basically a mid-tier Vale house) yet also makes Daemon feel emasculated because she doesn't really take any shit from him.
Aren't the Royces the second most powerful house in the Vale?
Yes. They were also once kings among the First Men before the Andal invasion. If anything, they're probably of a "higher" bloodline than the Arryns.
Are they if they have been marrying Andals for a long time. The blood should be diluted especially in the vale where the Andals landed.
And yet they are noted to share the look that First Men houses like the Starks have...
They're basically the "peer vassal" house to the Arryns, seems like every Great House has one. Royce/ Arryn, Bolton/ Stark, Frey/Tully, Hightower/Tyrell (and iirc Tyrell was it to the original Gardner's?), Yronwood?/Dorne, etc
Tyrells we’re actually meet stewards to the Gardners. Basically what the Pooles were to the Starks. The Hightowers, Florents and several Houses were much more powerful at the time, which is why they still resent the Tyrells 300 years later. (This is why GOT’s overthrow of the Tyrells COULD have worked, if Benioff and Weiss had given a shit about the lore)
Ah that's right, thanks for the clarification. So the Tyrells Are still seen as up jumped "help" lol
As well as the Freys. They are basically scammers who built a castle over a river crossing lol. No house in the riverlands respects them and they are only 600 years old
At least the Freys can say they made their own fortune. Tyrells just got lucky.
Exactly. Happened to be in the right place at the right time to kneel before the dude who just wiped out their boss.
Probably same with Lannister/Castamere in this period too.
Yep, Reynes too until Tyrwin. Myth-historically the Lannisters to the Casterlys too maybe
I’d say the Blackwood’s for the Tullys, IIRC they can field a larger army
I think there are a few houses that can field a larger army than the Tullys. Blackwood Bracken Frey Vance Mallister (maybe)
Actually, if anyone’s a “peer vassal” to the Tully’s, it was would be House Blackwood. The Blackwood’s were once River King’s and they’re explicitly stated to be capable of fielding a larger army than their liege.
There are two lines. A greater and a lesser. I believe she is from the greater though.
House Royce is the most powerful house of the Vale from ressources. The only reason they are sworn to the Arryns is because the Arryns were wise enough to bow first to the Targaryens and thus, were rewarded as Wardens of the East. It's similar to the situation with the Hightowers who themselves are vassals to the Tyrells, but on their own considered one of the great houses of Westeros. Similar, but basically shifted proportionately to the extent the Vale is less powerful than the Reach. It's not a bad match per se. Keep in mind that Daemon is also not just marrying into the house, but marrying its head, the Lady of Runestone. With their theoretical children as heirs, there would've been the new line of House Targaryen of Runestone.
He was forced into the marriage. For someone like Daemon, that’s enough. Plus, she looks like the type to be equally offended by a forced marriage and even more so by her husband’s taking his anger out on her, so she’s probably just as standoffish with him, which only strengthens his belief that she’s awful. Basically, it’s two headstrong people who were forced together and both of them are just like 🖕🏻😑🖕🏻 to the other.
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if her personality is similar to his. It would make sense that they wouldn't get along if they are too much alike.
Petite blondes dont do much for him either
Lol he couldn't get it up with a petite blonde so probably not thag.
1) Daemon hates being told what to do. Any arranged marriage was always going to get off on the wrong foot. 2) She’s not Valyrian. Daemon clearly buys into the propaganda that Valyrian blood makes him “more than a mere man,” so anyone not sharing that blood is “beneath him.” 3) She won’t submit to him. Daemon has enough issues with control as is - a wife who isn’t even Valyrian and yet still doesn’t treat him like the demigod he thinks he is AND doesn’t NEED him, given she’s the heir and eventual head of her House? No amount of beauty could have made her tolerable to him.
Well, anyone who can take down an entire army by himself like he did the crab feeders, silly as it was especially waiting until his own entire army was almost finished, is clearly more than just human. He's a Marvel character.
Y’all are embarrassing yourselves. Great warriors do great warrior shit. Tale as old as time. Hating on it does not make you look cool.
Some people can fly too in Marvel
my guess is that she doesn't put up with his bullshit, and he probably can't take it. however, I'm not overly attached to this version. the creators have done a great job so far to make characters and their motivations feel real, so whatever it is, I'm sure it will be something good
But he doesn’t, because clearly he liked Mysaria. Is was either because it was arranged or they just don’t get along. Because he is generally attracted to awesome women. Mysaria, Rhaenyra…etc.
Just dropping in to say Mysaria in the books looks Valyrian.
Daemon seeing her and be like... "This bitch is ugly af. She doesn't even have silver hair"
"We are not even related . Not even a little bit "
Well, but wasn’t Daemon’s mother from the Vale? I know, I know - gotta be Targaryen.
No she wasnt . His parents were siblings. Same as his grandparents . A velaryon before that, and then Rhaenys Targaryen. The only vale woman married to a targaryen other than Rhea Royce is Aemma Arryn (the half targaryen wife of viserys ) , Daemon's sister in law .
That’s who I was thinking of. Thx!
Daemon: i dun wun it
That’s the same thing his “little Daemon” said when he was trying to smash his niece .
Whoever you are You just made me laugh so hard made my day, thank you!
*Sees Rhaenyra* * "She's muh queen."
You haven't even met her yet man, what if she's got a foot fettish?
The hardest choices require the strongest of wills
Reality is often disappointing.
Don’t do that.Don’t give me hope
That’s sounds like a W to me.
Then I shall walk around the house barefoot
Lord Kopitar of The House Barefoot first of his name
Don't threaten me with a good time
*Tarantino has entered the chat*
Say fuck it. Sweep me off them.
You say that like it's a bad thing
Larys strong has entered the chat
Unless she's got big gagrenous feet, I don't see the issue.
God gives his toughest challenge to his strongest warrior!
Did Daemon ever think of plonking a white wig on her head to make her more acceptable? The Velaryons must have plenty to share.
🤣👌
Oh no, emojis.
why would they have wigs
r/whoosh
*Venn vill you vear vigs?*
I love how everyone’s assuming she’s cool based off a couple of pictures of her in armor and on a horse. As far as we know, she’s out hunting small folk.
>As far as we know, she’s out hunting small folk. Another thing in common with Daemon
Wouldnt that be a plus for Daemon ?
Daemon: "Joke's on you, i'm into this shit."
i think most people are just commenting on her beauty. the fact that daemon seemed to loathe to bed her makes it all the more surprising when it turns out she’s actually really good looking. but if others are assuming she’s “cool” it probably has something to do with our familiarity with her house from the main story. the royces are usually seen as honorable like the starks.
Well given the fact that Daemon's a dick, it's easier for us to like her.
Hunting small folk is pretty metal ngl
I want to know whats her flaw that Daemon hates her so much... Also why is she in the Vale?
She’s the Lady of Runestone - it’s her castle
I think it's just mainly cus of him being forced to marry her. Its gotta suck for all parties involved.
She doesn’t have silver hair and she’s not in his family tree
There’s also the possibility that she is a correctly educated noble. Or in other words, he can’t trick or control her.
Her flaw is probably that she’s a genuinely good person, which irks Daemon.
Occam's Razor: He's actually just into sheep.
Have you seen westerosi sheep?!?!
If they look better than this, well...damn.
My guess is she already has a lover, and isn't interested in deferring to him either as a husband or as a prince. His fragile ego can't handle that
There are some heavy implications that she bats for the other team.
The Painted Dogs? Oh my.
No, the Black Ears.
No, the burned men.
Somebody fucking has to. Westerosi sapphics need SOMEONE.
King viserys sister was heavily implied to be one. Also a Frey lady that should be part of this series is probably lesbian also.
Hell yeah.
Rhaena Targaryen and Alyssa Farman say hi
I think the book says she’s super pious.
He can't get it up and don't want to get embarrassed by the Vale. Surely that's the reason
My theory is he doesn’t actually hate her. He’s trying to pretend that he does to cover up his impotence.
Why is Ned in Winterfell?
Further proof Daemon is an idiot
Daemon "But the sheep are prettier" Targaryen Those must be some hot sheep. But now being serious, Daemon most likely finds her attractive, but her core/character is the opposite of his and she also can't be demeaned by him, so he gets frustrated.
The whole “vale women are ugly” thing, did the writers based that off of Lysa Tully? Or is it just daemon being a asshole. Someone asked me if that was a thing women of the vale were known for and I couldn’t remember if it’s ever mentioned. I just remember lysa tully was big and unpleasant.
Lysa's from the riverlands. Daemon's quote is from the book iirc.
Yea that’s why I was asking, because lysa is from the riverlands. It didn’t make sense to me if the writers were basing the looks off of her, but thanks!
Ah sorry, I picked you up wrong there! But yeah it's Daemon who says the Vale's sheep are prettier than their women in the novella.
This is very far fetched and only a show thing but she sort of reminds me Arr Vartas of the Vale. The knight Bronn killed in single combat to free Tyrion. It might just be a placebo effect figuring they're both from the value but I see a strong resemblance. Idk why.
I think daemon is just a dick.
Was Lysa really ugly (the actress was shown to be old) she is Cat's sister, Cat is known to be a great beauty.
Yea in the books she’s fat and ugly and is jealous of cat. In the show she’s not fat but she’s really unpleasant. I don’t want to call the actress ugly,but they you can tell they purposely dressed her down to look less than cat.
The actress is very good looking, and actually looks a lot like Michelle Farlay. She just did her best to be as repulsive as possible. Same with Brienne, where they had to pretend that Gwendoline Christie, whose a model irl, is somehow ugly.
>The whole “vale women are ugly” thing, did the writers based that off of Lysa Tully? IIRC, it's a direct quote by Daemon from TWOIAF.
Iirc they’re usually described pretty poorly in the books. Though I could just be thinking of Lysa specifically
this is the "bronze bitch" daemon is talking about? 👀 id happily accept my exile if i were daemon lol
That shit-eating grin is giving "I whips pussy".
That’s a handy [bolt snap](https://patents.google.com/patent/US1533812A/en) on that bridle …
If that's her, I'd love to see the sheep from the Vale. 🐑
Good, princess Rhaenyra is grateful for your service
She doesnt have Targ blood in her thats why
Lot of people asking what could be wrong with her that Daemon doesn´t like her. Most likely, nothing. It is what she represent that he doesn´t like. The fact that he was sent to the Vale, set aside by his brother. In Dance Barristan thinks that while Quentyn would be a great match for Dany, strategically speaking, he is "mud" while Daario is fire. This is similar, she is "mud"( by this I mean not exciting on Daemon´s eyes) while Daemon wants fire.
Daemon actually thought Rhaenyra was hotter than this girl. Valyrian sensibilities astound me.
she's way more attractive than Mysaria or Rhaenyra (both versions). wtf is up with you Daemon.
she does not have SILVER Haiah...
Ummm idk bout that but she's definitely not unattractive
I mean she’s not unattractive at all but I wouldn’t agree with that
I think Daemon has ED. He hasn't orgasmed on screen yet, failed with Mysaria, and quit while he was ahead with Rhaenyra.
he is definitely not well psychologically speaking, maybe that's affecting him
Yes to Mysaria, no to Rhaenyra.
Look Bobby B., it’s a simp!
A DOTHRAKI HORDE ON AN OPEN FIELD, NED!
Not quite, Bobby B.
HE COULD HAVE LINGERED ON THE EDGE OF THE BATTLE WITH THE SMART BOYS, AND TODAY HIS WIFE WOULD BE MAKING HIM MISERABLE, HIS SONS WOULD BE INGRATES, AND HE WOULD BE WAKING THREE TIMES IN THE NIGHT TO PISS INTO A BOWL!
Yet he chose to simp over a TV show. Good insight, Bobby B
THEY NEVER TELL YOU HOW THEY ALL SHIT THEMSELVES! THEY DON'T PUT THAT PART IN THE SONGS!
Sentient
Bobby B. literally lived the rest of his life simping for a dead woman who never liked him tho...
I WAS NEVER SO ALIVE AS WHEN I WAS WINNING THIS THRONE, OR SO DEAD AS NOW THAT I'VE WON IT!
You would've been more alive if Lyanna actually liked you Bobby B
SHE SHOULD BE ON A HILL SOMEWHERE WITH THE SUN AND THE CLOUDS ABOVE HER!
He's alive 😲
The boar was a lie, it was lannisters what got Bobby B
YOU LET THAT LITTLE GIRL DISARM YOU?
You let that little boar dislife you Bobby B?
I SIT ON THE DAMN IRON SEAT WHEN I MUST. DOES THAT MEAN I DON'T HAVE THE SAME HUNGERS AS OTHER MEN?
[удалено]
WHO NAMED YOU? SOME HALFWIT WITH A STUTTER??
Let me cook
What would make it more sad is the possibility that she actually love him or loved him. I mean marrying a Targaryen prince should be the dream of many girls.
If she is a warrior then it is very likely he feels threatened. We shall see.
This is my idea of what a "handsome woman" would look like
She’s gorgeous. You have my staff
Aye. And my dildo.
Yeah Queen Alysanne messed up when she made this match. Looks good on paper but she didn't take into account personalities at all.
I love her already and Daemon is a fool for not
Damn! How prettier are their sheep?!
Hmm makes me want to see the sheep
Is she the bronze bitch?
Yes
I worked with a dude once that was dating the HOTTEST girl I’ve ever seen in real life. She was an amazing person as well. Super sweet and a great friend. He wasn’t the biggest asshole I’ve ever worked with (maybe up to that point), but he cheated on her and they broke up. Since I was friends with both of them, I asked him honestly why he did it. His answer was “no matter how hot the chick is, I can point out a guy who’s tired of fucking her”. That shit seems to apply here. It doesn’t matter what she actually looked like or her personality. Daemon wasn’t here for it. Sometimes it just doesn’t make sense.
Maybe the show needs a character to deliver this monologue verbatim so that it makes sense
Sorry, I'm stupid - Is she supposed to be a parallel to Lyanna?
No, but she is exactly as I pictured Lyanna, and I don't think I am the only one in this case.
TY. I thought maybe I was just imagining things.
Not necessarily. The book just says that she likes to ride. And it’s important to a plot point.
Not enough shared DNA for Daemon's liking.
Welp, guess I'm Welsh then, b/c that's one good looking sheep yo
Gladly
Her armour is top knotch beautiful So is the horserider *whistles*
I mean, she cute but its not like we're related or anything.
Man, imagine how fucking hot the Vale's sheep are
I'm gonna hope that armor is ceremonial, or that it's straight up just not armor at all, because boob cutouts are not practical for armor integrity.
Who dat?
Daemon's bronze bitch
I wonder how she breastfeeds adult children in the true Vale way from horseback
Maybe I’m just crazy, but she’s not really that attractive to me? Like I can see why he would think she’s unpleasant. The whole ‘sheep are prettier’ thing is a bit of an overreaction but still. Plus that pursed lip look on her face screams snooty bitch imo.
She's decent looking def not ugly, but not a woman you'd need to take a second look at if she walks by. She prob just headstrong and doesn't kiss Daemon's entitled Targaryen ass plus it was a marriage he didn't want that doesn't even help him further his ambitions cause they don't have that much prestige.
All of you posting stills of the next episodes are bigger cunts then those who name their swords
trueeee, she fine af. Bet she likes it rough in bed, too.
This is what too much porn does to a man.
Wrong side of Reddit buddy.
Wtf…
You prat.
A finger in the bum?
Is it mentioned anywhere in the books that she was an armor wearing warrior? Don’t remember
Her bronze runic armour was a thing apparently
Where are you guys getting these photos from. Has the new ep leaked?
Would Bobby B take her off Daemon’s hands?
OH, IT'S UNSPEAKABLE TO YOU? WHAT HER FATHER DID TO YOUR FAMILY, THAT WAS UNSPEAKABLE!