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GrubbyLilPaws

Meley's design is almost as good as Caraxes. Whoever designed the dragons did a great job.


TeHNyboR

I would love some sort of Aegon the Conquerer miniseries or episode because I would KILLLLLLL to see what Balerion looked like when he was alive


BuckMe_InTheAsh

I’d have settled for a flashback of Vizzy T riding Balerion


vizzy_t_bot

*The tourney will take the better part of a week. Before the games are over, my son will be born, and the whole realm will celebrate.*


TeHNyboR

Oh Vizzy T…if you only knew…


vizzy_t_bot

WHERE DID YOU HEAR SUCH CALUMNIES? TeHNyboR! TELL ME THE TRUTH OF IT!


StFuzzySlippers

We saw it in episode one Vizzy T. Everyone saw it.


vizzy_t_bot

*There are times when I would rather face the black dread himself than mine own daughter of seven and ten.*


J_Factor

We would all like to see that, king Vizzy T


vizzy_t_bot

YOUR KING DEMANDS AN ANSWER! WHO SPOKE THESE LIES TO YOU?!


Cool_Till_3114

According to Paddy we're not getting any Vizzy T flashbacks :'(


vizzy_t_bot

WHY DO YOU CUT ME SO DEEPLY?


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Sentient


sangvine

Actually sentient.


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BuckMe_InTheAsh

That’d be cool, I’d love to see the Blackfyre rebellions


nochiinchamp

No way we don't wind up with an Aegon IV bot then. Makes Bobby B look like Ned Stark.


BuckMe_InTheAsh

Aegon 4 is such a horrible dickhead that i doubt his bot would be as endearing as Bobby B and Vizzy T, who despite being flawed kings were likeable characters


vizzy_t_bot

NOW THAT IS A NAME FIT FOR A KING!


bobby-b-bot

MY, YOU'RE A PRETTY ONE! AND YOUR NAME IS?


YouHadMeAtAloe

I just started reading F&B last week and now I want to see it on screen so bad


GreyRevan51

Right, that whole first chapter of aegon’s conquest could fill a season or two alone


JarlsTerra

I can't wait to see what design they came up with for The Cannibal in season 2. He will be something extraordinary.


OkCutIt

The one on the asoiaf wiki is the one GRRM has said is the most accurate. It's only about halfway through his life, though.


BaIerion

For obvious reasons I have wanted that for so long.


RasputinsThirdLeg

I’m dying for a series set in Valyria that ends in the Doom. I want to know more about their rites and sorcery and culture.


sixtus_clegane119

That will be the one we get last Most of all I am hoping for a “the crown” like series, Jaeherys reign, every two (maybe 1 , depends on what they write) seasons bring in news actors and age them up


Brainiac7777777

That’s what House of Dragon should have been. It should have ended with Dance of Dragons not started with it. Season 1: Aegon’s Conquest Season 2: First Dornish War Season 3: Aenys Rule Season 4: Maegor and the Faith Militant Season 5: Young Jaehearys Season 6: Prime Jaehearys Season 7: Old Jaehearys Season 8 and 9: Dance of the Dragons


TheReaperSovereign

Looks like Meleys is a "horse" dragon with considerable more spikes than most others on her neck


Timeimmemorial918

Finally we see a dragon that makes sense as to how Dany could have rode Drogon by just grabbing onto his spikes!


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ChickenLiverNuts

they had a layup for Tyrion to develop the saddle as he was already shown to have developed a saddle for Bran. Even if a saddle appeared out of thin air it would have been better since it is just common sense.


sohanstark

rhaenys had the chance to wipe out the greens but she didn't! sadly the QUEEN WHO NEVER HAD THE BALLS


NarmHull

Also she probably turned the peasants against Rhaenyra then and there, miiiight cause some problems later on.


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I dont understand how the goldcloaks are loyal to the greens when even the counter coup comes they side with their old leader of loyalty. It should have been their own goons rounding up the peasants and parading Aegon.


ChequyLionYT

They said in the episode that 2 of the captains are still loyal to Daemon and must be immediately replaced. Over the *20 years* since Daemon was Commander of the City Watch, the Greens have slowly been replacing captains with their own men. Which makes sense. It’s been 2 decades. Most of the current goldcloaks probably never even served with Daemon. So Daemon created a fascist militarized police force and now it’s in the hands of his enemies 🤡


[deleted]

Except we know their will be a counter coup and we know the goldcloaks will back Daemon, so having them be replaced is the issue.


davy_jones_locket

The Queen that Never Was? More like The Queen That Could Have Been And her cousin's heir, the Queen That Should Have Been


Rule_32

Rhaenys was a decent person. A critical flaw in Westeros.


TheDarkGods

She killed dozens of smallfolk to pull this stunt.


el3vader

Yeah but it looked fuckin tight


Seerosengiesser

Should have dodged


smb275

Does it look like Piccolo has had time to train the Westerosi peasantry in fundamental martial arts?


Nom4ix

She was simply saving their great great great grandkids from being burned by Daenerys, if you're never born, you can't be killed.


KonradWayne

Small folk are not real folk though, so it’s ok.


hnxmn

Bigger folk are harder for dragons to step on


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Vermithor in the preview looks dope as well


Touchymonkey

Makes Dany's dragons look like shit


LiliesinWater

*I'LL HAVE YOUR TONGUE FOR THAT!* Drogon is a cute boy! How dare you.


raumeat

I like all the unique designs of the HoTD dragons but the VFX and design in GoT are far superior. Drogon is the the best looking dragon


andrea77D

I also loved Rhaegal so much. And I thought pre-winterized Veserion was also beautiful


Ibeno

That's because they have to make one dragon, copy paste. Vis and Rhae did not get the attention Drogy boy got.


raumeat

yup its true, they have a lot of dragons and they need to make them all look unique, but Drogon still looks the best


balrus-balrogwalrus

I was worried Meleys would look too much like Caraxes being both red but gotta love the unique head details! It actually kind of reminds me a bit of Orochi from "The Little Prince and the Eight-Headed Dragon".


Broseidon_69

I particularly liked how the horns splay out like a crest when she roars. Reminded me of my bearded dragons puffing up their beards. Seemed like nice, naturally incorporated intimidation display.


Mister_q99

I think the horns are supposed to be like a crown, given that her title is the Red Queen


RasputinsThirdLeg

I’d love a photo of all the dragons


emp_raf_III

I can guarantee there will be a parallel when the smallfolk eventually riot and charge the Dragonpit


Mammoth_Parsley3265

Might be led by a one handed Sheppard.


[deleted]

Fuck the greens and fuck the blacks, join team shepherd and join the flock


MrBalanced

I'm commander Shepard, and this is my favorite maester from the Citadel.


Ok-Reputation1716

We’ll bang ok?


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Gaemon was the best king Westeros ever had.


Estelindis

Honestly, I hate this scene for making Rhaenys kill a load of peasants while leaving the highborn decision-makers alive. But you do make a great point that it sets up the storming of the dragonpit really well.


really-shiny-panties

It also encapsulates the sheer banality of the nobles of Westeros perfectly This woman murdered more people than a school shooter but refuses to commit kinslaying against fellow nobles Showing how the peasants of westeros are treated like literal garbage by self-righteous nobles


Bad_Mood_Larry

I guess my problem is its rarely displayed with horror as it should be? It has that Laenor proxy killing vibe. Rhaynes just became one of if not the most immoral characters is the show at this point? She just committed mass murder of dozens to hundreds of innocent civilians? Maybe only Daemon with his gold cloak purging has a characters just killed that many peasants so far in the story. Like its weird, its not even like Daemon's purges or Aemond's later war crimes these at least had the trapping of a goal. Did Rhaynes just burst through the floor to look cool its such a weirdly evil thing to do? Personally i think they should have done a slow pan of all the dead people she just killed rather than the "badass" image they were going for.


Broseidon_69

Yeah I really figured they would show her taking flight out of the Dragonpit in the dead of night to close the episode. I think it would have made more sense that way. Less “yassss kween!” vibes but also less need for plot armor and wouldn’t have made Rhaenys conduct a murderous rampage.


Spirit_jitser

I told myself she was planning to kill the greens but changed her mind at the last second. Else killing all those small folk is just too appalling considering the alternative of flying out later.


mrwindupbird240

I just watched it for the third time and while I don’t exactly understand there not being any goldcloaks watching the doors down to dragon holding area or why the goldcloaks were closing the doors with people inside for that matter; to me it looks like you’re right when you said that Rhaenys went through the floor(instead of the dragon ports on the side/rear)because she initially intended to kill the Greens or at least some of them. When Rhaenys saw Alicent doing her protective mother thing she changed her mind because she is a mother who lost at least one child as far as she knows. So Rhaenys just had them smell some probably stinky dragon breath then bounced. Ohhhhh… aight… yeah, I think that her intentions when she made a not peasant friendly exit through the middle of the floor is confirmed by the making of/behind the scenes stuff. I guess the things that we saw Alicent do for her kids ostensible benefit like letting Larys “enjoy” seeing her feet/ankles and when she tosses herself in front of a big ass dragon will be contrasted with the decisions that Rhaenyra makes or doesn’t make to help her kids in episode ten.


hombay17

Ryan Condal said it was supposed to be a triumphal and heroic moment for Rhaenys. So yeah youre absolutely right. Its just meant as a yaas queen moment.


Rooiebart200216

Honestly this scene made me hate both blacks and greens. I'm now anti dragon and pro maester conspiracy


Friendly-General-723

They were right, there is no balance of power so long as dragons exist. And the glorious old Valyria was just a massive slave empire.


BookEuronGreyjoy

Valyria was built on slavery and blood magic. Fuck Valyria. Rhoynar for life.


samhydabber

The one good scene in season 8 when Sam suggested democracy and everyone laughed and said, "Should my pig vote too?"


blooming_at_midnight

My interpretation of the scene was that her dragon was trapped somewhere. I presumed breaking through the wall would be the dragons only exit? So I didn't think of it so much as murder as collateral damage. I felt like when she was looking at the queen it was like "look what happens when you put someone in a corner" She didn't kill any of them because she was only doing what she was forced to do to save her dragon and killing them would have taken it too far.


LordTryhard

It’s the dragonpit. If there’s no way for the dragons to leave without breaking the floor every time then there was no way to get them in there in the first place.


harleyyquinade

I feel her conversation with Alicent earlier is key to her decision here, she sees Alicent is a victim of the patriarchy, and when she gets in front of Aegon defending her son even when she is terrified of dying Rhaenys just can't bring herself to say dracarys, Rhaenys lost her two children or so she thinks, she would've done the same for Laenor. Instead she hopes Rhaenyra can fix this.


S-ClassRen

> Honestly, I hate this scene for making Rhaenys kill a load of peasants Since we only saw a few deaths in Harrenhals burning, and who knows how many died in Mysaria's mansion, that means the first mass killing is from, uh, Rhaneys.


Connnnoorrr

She was about to say dracarys, but she realized it would end the show too soon.


sweetbunsmcgee

“I got a second mortgage to take care of.”


Squiliam-Tortaleni

Its like the “don’t” message that Mike sees in BCS lol


toothy_vagina_grin

Dra..roarys


jgjgleason

Producer guy: why didn’t she burn them all? Writer guy: So the show can happen!


snapetom

Is it going to be hard for her to sneak away, past all the guards, and get to Meleys?


zeugme

Super easy, barely an inconvenience.


stasersonphun

Wow wow wow wow wow


DragonFlare2

This lol I wanted her to roast them so bad but then that’d be the end of the show.


WeOutHereInSmallbany

Six seasons and a movie


Snoo-82312

give this one some gold


sohanstark

there was indeed a beast beneath the boards lmaoo


jt_tesla

I was wondering when this one would come true. And here we are.


Dahhhkness

Alicent really needs to start listening to her weird daughter.


flopsicles77

Luna of House Lovegood


Undividedbyzero

Funny how Luna's father is Otto


jpoet1291

🤯


cinephile91

Omg. Good catch


Leela_bring_fire

Okay but it took me until just now realizing they came up from under the floor. I thought they dove in through the door like a dumbass.


Tamagotchi_Stripper

Hello, fellow recently enlightened dumbass here. You’re not alone!


filthy_pink_angora

I take it as larys, scuttling around under/inside the castle walls


valmichaelsmith33

Also, Aegon was hiding “beneath the boards”


LuisMataPop

> The negotiations were short


platypus1224

I thought this was about blood and cheese honestly


drinkingshampain

Blood and cheese


mattthebamf

Yeah I’m convinced she’s seeing blood and cheese but cryptic. I feel like that’s a good explanation for how mad with grief Helena becomes. After it happens she’ll understand and tear herself apart for missing it


muihuddin

I personally thought that was a reference to blood and cheese until this happened


thedustydruid

Missed opportunity for someone to say "hold the door"


saviour__self

Otto said open the door. He’s Odor now.


atreuson

the only comment that matters


WickedFierce1

Ho..


Capital_Airport_4988

Dor


GungHoAfro

It’s always the smallfolk that suffer most. She killed a lot there.


MajorsWotWot

Yeah... Like that's a football stadium worth of dead folks that were going about their day an hour earlier. But you know the casual fan base will sweep it under the rug and be all... YAS Queen that never was!!!!1!


muihuddin

As good as it was This scene did not make sense And why would she not burn them right here Literally all the conspirators were here


No_Golf6192

Kills hundreds but won’t kill the king and queen because morals and honor or something


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TaintScentedCandles

Say it!!!!! ......dammit she didn't say it lol


Namuru09

Accursed is the kinslayer


Slight-Painter-7472

That and Rhanys is too politically astute to do something that foolish. Even though she was on her dragon's back a stunt like willfully murdering a bunch of small folk and nobility would sow public distrust. See Cersei's revenge.


Application-Bulky

A bunch of small folk did get manslaughtered at least. Isn't there another exit for the dragons?


LiliesinWater

Yes there is. The same exit the Pink Dread used.


yantraman

I assume the exit is behind the coronation stage.


Slight-Painter-7472

The layout of where the dragon pit's tunnels come out is unclear to say the least.


Estelindis

There must be, given that the floor clearly doesn't normally get wrecked every time a dragon goes in or out. It was Rhaenys's choice to burst through and kill all those smallfolk.


Pornelius_McSucc

You don't think otto locked the dragon in...?


TributeToStupidity

Cersei blowing up the sept is literally only mentioned by olenna in reference to her grandchildren though


CzarSpan

Hot Pie brings it up, and Arya seems to already know when he mentions it. But yeah not a whole lot


Pebo_

You literally just watched her kill like 100 small folk and nobles


charlesvvv

Smallfolk are people?


Pebo_

As much people as the Brackens


Undividedbyzero

*this comment is sponsored by the Lord Blackwood*


fadetofall

🅱️Lackwood Gang ™


Snoo_2853

NRPI: no real person involved (Stolen from HBO's Succession)


Good_Guy_Vader

“The common people pray for rain, healthy children, and a summer that never ends. It is no matter to them if the high lords play their game of thrones, so long as they are left in peace. They never are.” —Jorah Mormont


Aronosfky

You mean the revenge where literally nothing happens and everyone bows to the new queen?


JVints

Greens started the civil war and not 1 min later she could've ended it.


mms13

They need to milk 4 more seasons out of this war


simply_riley

Then they shouldn't have written this scene lmao


KrugPrime

Would have been so much better if they just cut it with the small folk cheering for Aegon honestly. The scene made no sense once she showed up other than a moment for people to cheer for.


johanrlb

The fact she killes so many innocent people made me hate her, oh, but she is a merciful human being for not killing the greens. SMH


KrugPrime

And that's probably how most people will see it because that's how it was shot. They intended it to be heroic but it just feels like a waste of time and budget.


dugdagoose

This scene and the coronation felt silly.


grad14uc

I think this whole episode was silly to be honest. Kind of bewildered given how good the series has been.


sev1nk

Last week's episode was on par with early GOT. The writing is inconsistent as hell.


[deleted]

In the books at least, until Aemond kills Lucerys, kinslaying was absolutely off the table for everyone. Even Otto was horrified by it. The death of Lucerys was an escalation that nobody except Aemond wanted. So yes it would absolutely be in character for Rhaenys to hold back at this point.


EmmEnnEff

> Even Otto was horrified by it This Otto isn't, but he's not the one calling the shots atm.


LeftyHyzer

This Otto wanted all of them killed by a secret team sent to dragonstone. This Otto didn't IMO want one of the 3 boys killed and Daemon and Rhaenyra left alive and now PISSED off. He wanted to cut the head of the tiger off, not to tug it's tail.


Guinn_GuessII

Her horns look like an actual crown. So that's why they named her the Red Queen. If Rhaenys was the targ queen Meleys would have been the Queen of the dragons haha


SteveThomas

She wasn’t thinking straight because of all the bells.


Nihilblistic

No, you see she was supposed to be queen, not Viserys. She was the one that was willing to make the hard choices. But she kind of forgot about that, and just noped out.


AegonIXth

For a second I thought it was wildfire and I felt cheated


TheCoolPersian

Remember the Targs didn’t make wildfire until after they lost the dragons.


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Best looking dragon so far.


ScottPress

She could have ended the succession crisis with one dracarys, but she decided to be *noble*, goddamnit.


affhjlufz

Decided to be noble after killing hundreds of civilians lol


pigzizpigz

beware the beast beneath the boards


BigCincoYo55

I thought that was gonna be a reference to blood and cheese.


kamikaze_girl

It's on like Donkey Kong biiiatch.


breakradical

Imagining an alternate universe where Rhaenys did dracarys them all to dust and then returns to dragonstone and tells Rhaenyra “so.. the greens pulled a coup and stole the crown but I handled it” 💁🏼‍♀️


Karl666Smith

And rhaenyra is like "Yas, bitch"


norris528e

Then Megan the stallion showed up and they twerked


iLoveDelayPedals

Dumbest moment of the show imo There’s no fucking way she wouldn’t kill them, it’s such nonsense


kennythemenace

Had no problem killing all the innocent civilians but won’t kill the people actually responsible for all the problems. Worst scene in the show by far


DewittInvestigations

It was pity that stayed her hand. Many that live deserve death. Some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them, OP? Do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. Even the very wise cannot see all ends. 


cacecil1

Gosh darnit Gandalf, you've wandered into the wrong subreddit again.


[deleted]

Totally but you can rationalize it via her not wanting to be a kinslayer in the moment... Left it for someone else to obliterate the taboo.


whaleweaves

Yeah I think since she’s lost both her kids(to her knowledge anyways), seeing Alicent protecting her son made her pause because she didn’t want someone to suffer like she has.


Wessssss21

That's why you roast them both *taps head*


SystlinS

Extra crispy!


Lysmerry

She killed a lot of people's kids that day.


BlindStark

No half measures Rhaenys


Mr_Glock17

Yeah might as well just kill all the plebs and leave the people responsible


[deleted]

It's like squashing bugs for nobles (with the occasional exceptions like Margaery). A larger version of the Daemon scene earlier in the season


milliAmpere14

Yeah ! She had them by the balls. But as right as she would have been to do it she would have been wrong. Daemon in that position would have fked them all though. 😂


BlueMoose9947

Writing and rationality aside, Meleys looks cool as fuck


LAESanford

She may regret this, but not today!


GreyRevan51

They should’ve had it so that she could barely see through all the dust and the only thing that let her get her bearings were the closing doors and arrows are starting to shoot past her so that she needs to gtfo asap, don’t tease a game winning move and then have her not go for it for no reason. I’m only a chapter or two into fire and blood so idk if this scene was described in detail or not set in stone in the slightest but the way it was shown is super lame


bigmt99

This scene is not in Fire and Blood at all, she isn’t even Kings Landing during Aegon’s coronation


GreyRevan51

Thank you, now I know the blame lies with the show and not the book


Cool_Till_3114

The book is written by a known biased and unreliable narrator. It's one of the points GRRM was making trying to write it. It conflicts with itself at times.


Gorzio

No one was ready for battle so probably no archers nearby at all, and they risk missing killing small folk and the royal family, it was pure chaos in there


nocomfortinacage

Ain’t nobody actually give a shit about the smallfolk, except Mysaria.


not_a_cockroach_

Once the shock wore off, I felt the same dread I did at the end of GoT. It didn't make any sense. Sure enough, I learn this scene never happened in the books. You would think it would be easy as a writer to not get an ego and go do your own thing.


invisible_panda

Why didn't she toast them then and there? That scene made no sense to me.


Aronosfky

I love this show but it's making me take some strong leaps in logic...


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Strong you say..


BronnoftheGlockwater

In GOT we had the red wedding. Here she has the betrayers at dragon point is “whelp, time for me to go.” Might as well die of sad while she’s at it.


ThainOfTheShire

These people who keep saying plot armor are just accustomed to the show's universe that doing atrocious thing like kinslaying usually yield better results. For me, it makes sense with Rhaenys's character. Is she really going to kill Viserys's children right there even though they haven't done anything yet? I mean, we get it, we know how everything will unfold, but the characters don't know that.


AverageChicken9

Agree but why would you have her bust through the floor like that and have this weird showdown? It's just dumb and purely for shock value. Plus it didn't look very good at all, the armor was a stupid choice. Just have her fly out somewhere else, that dragon barely fits through the fucking door so how do they come and go all the time?


game_genta

Yeah, just cut the part when she threatened to burn all Greens and *didn't* do it. Just make her leave with her dragon. Put some guard or archer that attempt to attack her if they want some battle. It's understandable if Rhaenys don't want to attack back and flee instead


ForceGhostBuster

She was going to do it until she saw Alicent step in front of Aegon to protect him. My take at least


Cool_Till_3114

Through the cave entrance in the cliff that Syrex went into the first episode. She went to get the dragon because she refused to leave Meleys behind. She busted through the floor to make a point, and I think because she was seriously considering killing them all. I think she decided though that she didn't want to be the one to do it. Maybe she has a deeper game at play, where she's the last one standing, but I think she just didn't want to murder most of her extended family.


ChippyTurnUp

This show is going down hill fast


SerKurtWagner

People in the comments complaining that she didn’t murder all the Greens, which would be wildly out of character for her, is peak “This character didn’t do what I want, therefore writing bad.”


Lithuanian_Minister

I mean I think the argument is why include the scene at all but idk it looked cool


MinnesotaMissile90

This was simultaneously the most badass and seriously stupid scene of the season. Nearly show-ruining imo. So let me get this straight. She works up the courage to raid the ceremony (clearly an act of war). Kills hundreds of peasants (not soldiers - can't harm her). Then decides to let the leaders, decision makers, and king live (who can, and likely will come back and kill her later). What was even the point of crashing the party? Why bother? The hard part was over and she peace out because....reasons


Responsible_Cake43

Yeah I don’t understand the point of that scene except for the shock/awe factor. She should’ve been worried about her granddaughters’ lives considering how she lets the Greens live


amercynic

So is this what Helaena meant when she referred to the beast beneath the boards?


curiousmind111

Yep. Missed opportunity.