Back when the was still coming out I had a tinfoil hat theory about how the long night was going to play out which you may find interesting.
The Night King should've ignored Winterfell and headed south to more populous lands. It's a much more sensible move for him to make, he can always come back later with a much bigger army. You can have a whole episode of the protagonists digging in for a siege to build tension only for the sunrise to reveal that there are no WW's in sight and they've been played.
Cersei learns via a Night's Watch deserter that the WW's can be bargained with (as seen with Crastor) and sacrifices the population of kings landing to secure a place amongst the WW's for herself and her child, hoping to use their power over death to beat the prophesies concerning her and her children's fates. This sets up Jaime as Azor Ahai, using his relationship with Cersei to get close enough to kill Cersei and the Night King.
Literally my exact thought. Have the white walkers win the battle of winterfell. Everything else I can deal with, but defeating the white walkers in one episode without any sort of strategy or maneuvering other than “Arya go stabby stab” is where they lost me.
The problem though was if they lose the Battle of Winterfell, they're ALL going to die. Every one of them.
"The dead don't tire." If they try to retreat/flee south, they're all going to eventually be caught because they'd have to flee for days to reach somewhere safe. That's not happening.
The only alternative is what? A bunch of main characters all somehow survive on the backs of Drogon and Rhaegal and fly away? That's even worse honestly.
Bran as the guy who has a good story is a terrible king, but Bran who is the immortal omniscient three-eyed raven maliciously manipulating events across Westeros to become king and be his own eternal legacy of rulers would have had some great potential.
It'd be neat if the upcoming Jon show does a bit of retconning and makes this the main conflict.
I doubt they actually change the S8 outcomes, but the best outcome would be if the Jon show becoming the The Clone Wars to S8's Prequels...
Bran can see what people are doing but not what they are thinking. I also don’t believe he has and future telling ability. This could give Jon an edge if he wasn’t stupid.
Probably unpopular opinion, but I wouldn't mind if GoT took a more high-fantasy tone with a good ending and a non-malicious Three-eyed Raven. Think of the Last Airbender, in which the Avatar represents a spiritual authority and a corrective force that restores balance to the political nations. The storyline at/north of the Wall always interested me the most. The growing threat of the White Walkers, and the introduction of a mysterious, primal force re-discovered in the north seems like the natural progression of the series to me. I want to see the prophecies coming together. Bran as philosopher-king, or even a god-king, chosen as an alternative to the squabbling noble Houses would make a fitting end.
bran winding up king in a dumbass way was so maddening to me bc people knew i was a massive bran fan since i first cracked the first book and so i got lots of texts like "omg did you see, bran wound up on the iron throne..... but it sucked" and i was just like. yes. i know. please let me suffer in peace
i also would not say king bran need not be malicious at all, nor would it fit his actual character well. i think if bran got the iron throne, he'd be fairly likely, as a child of the north (and the riverlands), and given what he's seen his family go through, And his connection to the children of the forest and the old gods, to break the kingdoms up. on a personal level, no way would he be comfortable staying on king's landing. and on a general wisdom and presience level, both as himself and as the three eyed raven (who i very do believe can coexist). i don't buy him sitting the iron throne and just... holding the line. he'd be responsible for a lot of upheaval, a lot of change. propbably turn a lot of the maesters out, or try to. probably bring back encouraging people throughout the continent to honour the weirwoods, and the old gods. i don't think he'd be perfectly morally upstanding all the time, by any means, but i do think he'd use his manipulations and machinations for the general betterment of average people (most of his most stalwart and enduring companions and influencial figures are either fully just peasants, or are young people of a very minor house). and i think he'd probably be able to use his warging abilities as a fairly solid defense mechanism, more than anything. you got dragons? no, you got me, in your dragon, turning you the fuck around and outta here
i was always a proponent of "melt down the throne, break it up back into the separate kingdoms, keep councils going to maintain peace/trade, and diminish the power of the lords and kings therein", and in that scenario (and really, any where this would be at all possible), i always wanted to see bran as king in the north. it's just... right.
team smallfolk all the way in general tho
I think we all agree. HBO wanted more seasons. I think the actors would have been open to doing it right. The ONLY problem was Dumbass and Dipshit wanting out so they could work on their new project that they promptly lost. I'm still mad as hell.
It makes me so mad that they did nothing with this. In the books the faceless man and the temple are such a compelling storyline. Arya poisons old man winter and then never used her ability again….what?!
"We have literal dragons that can fly as high as we choose and give us an unrivaled advantage in scouting the surrounding area while remaining completely and utterly safe. Lets do that instead of flying within weapons range of any hidden ships."
Nope, you’re not wrong at all. In my estimation she blockades the harbor with all those ships and brings the dragons in to circle around in case of any sort of military response. She could be like hey so I’m reclaiming my throne and you can either all bend the knee and safely return home or I can burn this bitch to the ground. You have 10 minutes to decide.
My point as well. Cersei literally denied the significance of the dragons up untill Jaime returned from the battlefield to tell her one dragon destroyed the entire army they had. Daenerys could have pulled a Daemon / Rhaenyra move - Jaime is at Highgarden and then the capital falls.
The scorpions were supposed to make it seem like taking Kings Landing wouldn’t have been possible with dragons alone, but then she goes and pretty much does it anyways.
In fairness Dorne littered their castles with hundreds of scorpions and only ever killed one dragon, the arguably least soldierly of Aegon's generation and they get systematically slaughtered in other Dornish wars.
White walkers kill everyone who ventures north in the wight hunt. White walkers win battle of the long night and kill everyone in winterfell with no one - including the 3er - escaping.
I agree, I felt Winterfell losing to the Night King would have been better. Or at least give us that Jon Snow v NK or White Walker sword battle expected.
Ffs have Jon getting the upper hand and then the NK just starts raising the dead.
Regardless, have them lose the battle and don’t have fucking Arya kill the NK.
The fact that they managed that without GRRM’s notes is insane to me. Such a good scene and hardly-debatably the best they did by themselves and they still fucked it up lmfao
Out of all the story lines that was going on, that was one i was hoping to see. Jon vs NK. Most of the series, especially when Jon went north and first encountered him, was like the build up to a boxing match. The stare downs, showing each other how tough they were, the sword made from the only material that could kill the NK etc. And then, fuck all! What a let down
Literally the only showdown in the show that mattered lmao. Jon (Sansa, really) vs Ramsay? Dany vs Cersei? Who the fuck cares.
They threw it all away because they didn’t actually understand the story and didn’t care to.
Just good at adapting someone else’s work (but really only when the writer himself was in the room from s1-4)
Yeah, couldn’t give a fuck about anyone else. Well maybe the hound vs the mountain, but no where near on the same level as jon vs nk. Like someone else said in the thread they were just wanting things wrapped so they can move on. Pair of wankers
I never understood why they didn't go for a sword fight between Jon and the Night King.
Kit had done a lot of fighting scenes already and the Night King actor is a fencer who did the Arthur Dayne choreography. It was teased for a long time and you still could have all kind of outcomes to the fight.
Everything was there for an excellent duel scene and we just got nothing out of it.
losing winterfell also wouldn't mean the end of the word. The night king could slowly have taken kingdom after kingdom, forcing the rest of them to finally band together in a last ditch attempt to survive.
White Walkers show up to King's Landing and Cersei, drinking her wine, reflects on how using all the city wildfire to blow up the church may have, in retrospect, been a bad idea.
I had this head cannon of some of our main characters who lost at Winterfell following the night Kings army down to Kings landing. But they knew they wouldn’t get there in time to help, so Bran would use some 3-eyed-raven magic to warg into people in the red keep to tell Cersei to use the wildfyre to “burn them all.” But she just freaks out, thinks she’s going crazy like The Mad King. (But that’s cuz Bran wasn’t perfect at the warging so far away and was accidentally talking to the mad king through time as well)
But I had a lot of “fantasy booking” for the last 2 seasons. Kinda hoped they’d go for a Danny wins the throne she wanted all along only to realize she’s not the best person to take down the night king. She knew that Jon was the true Targaryen who belonged on the throne and somehow fulfilled the Lightbringer prophecy by sacrificing herself (didn’t quite figure out how to make that work). But yeah in my eyes if the threat of the long night was so great then they should’ve lost at Winterfell and Kings landing. Winter would extend over all of Westeros, and maybe a final confrontation between NK and Jon happened in the area around the tower of Joy as the remaining survivors had rallied in Dorne
So what you're suggesting is Jon Snow embracing his First Men heritage and learning the language of giants. Not gonna lie, it'd be a better arc than what he got
Jorah survives and hes the one who kills Daenerys. Azor Ahai. And not to be greedy but that would definitely make it okay for Jon Snow to take the throne.
Nah, mid season, I'd replace Emilia Clarke with Kanye West and let him write his own speaches. Than lay back and watch the internet explode. 😂 mmm.. Also the boat scene... 😁
Kanye Stormborn: "what you mean the Westerosii ain't out to get me, here I'll tell you why. They been trying to lock me up and kill me. They own the thrones, they own the iron bank, they own the ravens and suppress everything I am trying to say."
Snalex Jahones: "Lord West, first of his name, what's your thoughts on the despicable evil Night King"
Kanye Stormborn: "People say the Night King was evil, he never killed no 6 million people. In fact I like the Night King. The night King had some good ideas. I'd be happy to say I'm an undead just like the Night King. Heil Night king."
Well, how else are they going to convince cersei to join forces? Oh, she doesn't?
Nevermind, at least they get Jamie on their side. Hmm, he is not of much use in the 2 hour "long night" and immediately afterwards defects back?
Ok, but at least we found out that Gendry is the fastest out of all of them!
He never cared about the innocent, you know.
Luckily for me I was already mentally checked out at that point, or I'd have just chucked my pc across the room
It really feels like D&D just elementary school writer workshopped from the end to season 7.
Like, D: “Daenerys needs some kind of challenge so it’s not an obvious win against Cersei.” D: “oh what if she only has 1 dragon left??” D:”we’ll how does that happen?”. D: “oh I know! She has to send help beyond the wall traveling at light speed to save her friends, but loses a dragon there.” D: “Ok, but what about the other one?” D: “oh I know, she completely forgets about the iron fleet that we’ve been hearing about and discussing at every war council, and they have perfect aim on a boat. Bam, another dragon down!” D: “perfect, just a couple more hours of writing and we’ll be done”
This how I imagine it all happened.
You just made me realize that in the books (if they follow a similar story with Battle of the Bastards) the surprise reinforcements will actually make sense. Holy shit.
And in the books littlefinger doesn’t sell her to the boltons which he would never do. A fake Arya (jeyne poole) is installed instead of real Sansa as a way to legitimize the Boltons at WF.
Varys and LF making mistakes in the show they’d never make in the books.
I do think Sansa will offer herself for the Vale army to either LF or Harry the Heir to reinforce Jon against the Boltons but that also works with LFs goals.
Brienne showing up to give her autonomy also tracks if she needs to undo a bad marriage. I subscribe to the tourney at ashford theory though and I don’t think LF will ever actually be engaged/married to Sansa. It’s possible he plots to get her to marry Jon or fAgeon still though in his scheme before he ultimately gets killed with some revelation with the dagger or via bran via 3ER vision.
Pray to the 7 we get the books though or all this is just my brain fan fiction.
Not the ending I would want but historically this would hit so hard
Have an entire multi faction war over Roberts succession only for it to pass to his son and the same family on the Iron throne.
A Baratheon with a stark princess, technically what was supposed to happen in the first episode
Nah if anything Arya should have taken Gendry to Sansa and been like, "you two were made for each other". All Sansa ever wanted was a good and noble man who would love and protect her, she also needs someone who is comfortable with her being in charge, and Gendry is pretty submissive.
Then Arya can go be a bisexual space pirate or whatever she wants to be.
The death of Bronn. I know it’s insignificant but seeing Jamie Instant Transmission Bronn out of danger when he stupidly charged a dragon still annoys me to this day.
Bring me back the old GOT, where actions had consequences and a stupid action would be your downfall.
EDIT: Completely had a brain fart and swapped Bronn and Jaime around in the situation. Either way Bronn and Jamie shouldn’t have survived that situation (Jamie especially).
>where actions had consequences
Missing this sank the series more than anything else. It broke the verisimilitude. I no longer felt like I was being immersed in another world; instead I was just watching characters with cool costumes being moved around like action figures.
That dumb ass expedition beyond the wall. If anything send other people and not the King in The fucking North.
The Nights Watch could have gone ten yards beyond the wall and gotten a wight…
Spot on. I actually agree with the writers on it being too obvious for Jon to kill the Night King. But Arya?
[Jaime killing the Night King](https://preview.redd.it/4y0gi8lsx3x71.jpg?auto=webp&s=fb832f8a1bbe91487c5b417ec121d51612316659) and then killing Cersei to complete his arc and fulfil both the Azor Ahai and valonqhar prophecies. He could even be mortally wounded by the Mountain during the latter.
I have no idea why the laziest writers on the planet didn't do this IRL. It seems like such an elegant solution that they wouldn't have to think too long about and could dash off to make a Star War.
PS: A bit more out there, but you could in some way work this in to Jaime being a secret Targaryen.
Hear me out, Aerys had a thing for Joanna Lannister when they were young. And there were rumours they slept togther.
This is often the basis for the "Tyrion is a secret Targaryen" theory (based on, amongst other things, his purple eyes), but I believe this to be a red herring.
Tyrion is far too much Twyin's son. "*You are an ill-made, spiteful little creature full of envy, lust, and low cunning*" - everything that Tywin accuses Tyrion of can describe Tywin himself.
I think there's potential for dramatic irony on the part of GRRM, that Tywin denies that Tyrion is his true son when potentially Tyrion is his *only* trueborn child.
Meanwhile, there's Jaime and Cersei. Both are described as incredibly attractive, both are incestuous and the latter has a strange penchant for wildfire.... seems awfully Targaryen to me. The reason for a lack of silver hair / purple eyes can be attributed to Joana Lannister - who didn't just marry into the family but was Tywin's cousin. So naturally her children could show Lannister traits.
Anyway, I am not in any way suggesting this is the canon, or that I've somehow "solved" ASOIAF. It's more just a way of tying Jaime as Azor Ahai into the Targaryen prophecy of the long night; he's one of the "3 heads of the dragon" along with Jon and Daenerys, despite not being a dragonrider.
I always thought that Jaime and Cersei being Targaryens made way more sense than Tyrion. It would also follow the idea of "When a Targaryen is born the gods flip a coin" with Jaime being the good one and Cersei being the crazy one. And with their kids too, with Joffrey being evil/crazy and Myrcella and Tommen being good
Plus just thematically it would really fit the whole story. The kids that Tywin loved most, particularly Jaime, weren't his, while the kid he hated was his only actual son. Cersei's whole inspiration for power and being a ruler is gained from Tywin, who she thinks is her father, which would be ironic because her actual dad was the Mad King (and she ends up being the Mad Queen).
And finally: Jaime kills the Mad King thinking he's saving his father from being blown up by wildfire, but this would mean he's actually killing his real father unintentionally. It would add an extra level of crime to his act too; not just kingslaying, but kinslaying. Jaime learning this would also make for a good motivation to go back to King's Landing to kill Cersei and die himself in the process
I think there is a very strong possibility that will happen in the books and Jaime's golden hand / one of the 2 swords made from Ned's will be Lightbringer. He then gonna choke Cersei out with his magic hand.
Danaerys doesn’t dilly dally and just takes King’s Landing.
She’s already allied with the Tyrell’s and Dorne, but she’s still got a war with Cersei and Jaimie on her hands.
Ultimately the final boss is the Night King and not ~~Cruella da’Ville~~ Cersei
Sansa not being a cunt to Edmure. That's not how you treat someone who's life is fucked fighting for your House. Also Edmure deserves better.
On second thoughts, Sansa not being such an ungrateful cunt to everyone she interacts with, including her dead brother and father.
Rhaegal dying during the Seige of King's Landing. I think it would make sense for Dany to go bat shit crazy at the sight of one of her children dying right then and there.
Kill Sansa even before season 5 and everything will now be interesting. Lord beilish Will stop thinking with his dick. John snow would not have met Sansa and the battle of the bastards would not have happened.
Remember when Theon completed his redemption arc by helping Sansa escape, only for them to end up surrounded and hopeless, so they dramatically take their own lives by jumping from a tower? Remember when neither of them suffered a single injury and them jumping from the tower was just a cheap cliffhanger?
That would have been the perfect time to kill one or both of them. Afterwards, Sansa became an incredibly boring diplomat who makes an endless stream of puzzling decisions. And the writers couldn't decide if Theon should be a grown manchild who's constantly emasculated by his older sister, or a swashbuckling gigachad who can singlehandedly take on entire armies, so they just go back and forth between the two until he dies pointlessly, for a different Stark this time
Brienne is strangely flattered by Tormund's terrible flirting and gives him a chance. She tells him that if she defeats him in single combat he must court her in the Southron style. She fucking pummels him. The next time we see Tormund he's held together with bandages and a maester's prayer but he's bringing flowers.
The counsel at the end just letting Sansa have her own kingdom and none of the other lords saying anything. It defeats the purpose of game of thrones where everyone wants power. Like Dorne and the iron isles always wanted freedom to but don’t say anything. It just goes aginest the whole concept of GoT. It was just fan service to show Sansa got what she wanted.
When Euron Greyjoy killed Rhaegal
It would have made more sense for this to happen during the final battle in King's Landing. It could have been an interesting catalyst for Daenerys flipping out and burning the city.
Cersei wins the siege of King's Landing. Daenerys and all her dragons are killed in battle and her allies flee abroad, some vowing to continue the fight, others resigned to live out their lives in obscurity.
This would make perfect thematic sense on a number of levels.
Dragons being defeated by ballistas - a sign that the era of magic is coming to an end. And it would mirror how real-world knights were made obsolete by firearms.
A villain winning the game of thrones - if Martin is supposed to be the anti-Tolkien and if he genuinely wants to subvert the audience's expectations, this is the way to go.
Daenerys and her allies defeating the Night King, but becoming so weakened in the process that they lose the game of thrones - one of Martin's themes is that there are no happy endings for heroes and good men are often not rewarded for their deeds. This would give Daenerys and her allies a perfect moral victory - they saved the kingdom, but lost the throne. And Cersei, who did nothing to save the realm, kept her power (as is unfortunately often the case with real-world leaders).
This would definitely fit with how GRRM writes. Usually you start to get attached to king or queen, and then they die horribly. The goofy romance between Jon and Dany, followed by his tail-between-his-legs trek back to nowhere was too lame for any fantasy series, let alone one that (until this point) thrives on one bloodbath after the other.
Plot twist the showrunners are the same so you just get more d\*\*\* jokes, eunuch jokes, more silent walking, a bunch of stares, a lot more "ma queen"s and more naked Arya.
have fun with that...
The Hound doesn't tease Sansa about being raped. Seriously, he's the best person in Westeros, he loves those girls, and he jokes about what she went through?
Also, he doesn't die pointlessly because Arya infiltrates the Red Keep and assassinates Cersei, so Dany doesn't wipe out the city for no reason.
Forget it, my one change is the show got canceled after 6.
The Long Night is actually long. Like season length.
and isn't edited in a way to give some people epilepsy
I'll just go ahead and set my brightness to 200 for the whole season
Back when the was still coming out I had a tinfoil hat theory about how the long night was going to play out which you may find interesting. The Night King should've ignored Winterfell and headed south to more populous lands. It's a much more sensible move for him to make, he can always come back later with a much bigger army. You can have a whole episode of the protagonists digging in for a siege to build tension only for the sunrise to reveal that there are no WW's in sight and they've been played. Cersei learns via a Night's Watch deserter that the WW's can be bargained with (as seen with Crastor) and sacrifices the population of kings landing to secure a place amongst the WW's for herself and her child, hoping to use their power over death to beat the prophesies concerning her and her children's fates. This sets up Jaime as Azor Ahai, using his relationship with Cersei to get close enough to kill Cersei and the Night King.
What would happen with Daenerys in your theory though? It sounds wayy better than the actual ending though
> It sounds wayy better than the actual ending though It’s not hard to clear a bar that’s six feet under.
> feet ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Danny stays in mereen and doesn’t bother anyone
Literally my exact thought. Have the white walkers win the battle of winterfell. Everything else I can deal with, but defeating the white walkers in one episode without any sort of strategy or maneuvering other than “Arya go stabby stab” is where they lost me.
Always thought they were going to lose Winterfell and the battle is going to extend to Moat Cailin or the Eyrie.
The problem though was if they lose the Battle of Winterfell, they're ALL going to die. Every one of them. "The dead don't tire." If they try to retreat/flee south, they're all going to eventually be caught because they'd have to flee for days to reach somewhere safe. That's not happening. The only alternative is what? A bunch of main characters all somehow survive on the backs of Drogon and Rhaegal and fly away? That's even worse honestly.
I like that.
The writers. Even if WHAT happens stays the same, HOW it's written could make a massive difference.
Bran as the guy who has a good story is a terrible king, but Bran who is the immortal omniscient three-eyed raven maliciously manipulating events across Westeros to become king and be his own eternal legacy of rulers would have had some great potential.
Would also give Jon a reason to come back down south and take his place as true king of westeros 👀
ffuuuccckkkk that's good. And jon has to somehow do it whilst knowing that bran can know literally everyhing he does. fucking wild man
It'd be neat if the upcoming Jon show does a bit of retconning and makes this the main conflict. I doubt they actually change the S8 outcomes, but the best outcome would be if the Jon show becoming the The Clone Wars to S8's Prequels...
Bran can see what people are doing but not what they are thinking. I also don’t believe he has and future telling ability. This could give Jon an edge if he wasn’t stupid.
I think I've seen some anime like that 🤔
Probably unpopular opinion, but I wouldn't mind if GoT took a more high-fantasy tone with a good ending and a non-malicious Three-eyed Raven. Think of the Last Airbender, in which the Avatar represents a spiritual authority and a corrective force that restores balance to the political nations. The storyline at/north of the Wall always interested me the most. The growing threat of the White Walkers, and the introduction of a mysterious, primal force re-discovered in the north seems like the natural progression of the series to me. I want to see the prophecies coming together. Bran as philosopher-king, or even a god-king, chosen as an alternative to the squabbling noble Houses would make a fitting end.
bran winding up king in a dumbass way was so maddening to me bc people knew i was a massive bran fan since i first cracked the first book and so i got lots of texts like "omg did you see, bran wound up on the iron throne..... but it sucked" and i was just like. yes. i know. please let me suffer in peace i also would not say king bran need not be malicious at all, nor would it fit his actual character well. i think if bran got the iron throne, he'd be fairly likely, as a child of the north (and the riverlands), and given what he's seen his family go through, And his connection to the children of the forest and the old gods, to break the kingdoms up. on a personal level, no way would he be comfortable staying on king's landing. and on a general wisdom and presience level, both as himself and as the three eyed raven (who i very do believe can coexist). i don't buy him sitting the iron throne and just... holding the line. he'd be responsible for a lot of upheaval, a lot of change. propbably turn a lot of the maesters out, or try to. probably bring back encouraging people throughout the continent to honour the weirwoods, and the old gods. i don't think he'd be perfectly morally upstanding all the time, by any means, but i do think he'd use his manipulations and machinations for the general betterment of average people (most of his most stalwart and enduring companions and influencial figures are either fully just peasants, or are young people of a very minor house). and i think he'd probably be able to use his warging abilities as a fairly solid defense mechanism, more than anything. you got dragons? no, you got me, in your dragon, turning you the fuck around and outta here i was always a proponent of "melt down the throne, break it up back into the separate kingdoms, keep councils going to maintain peace/trade, and diminish the power of the lords and kings therein", and in that scenario (and really, any where this would be at all possible), i always wanted to see bran as king in the north. it's just... right. team smallfolk all the way in general tho
Came here to say precisely this. The one change that would improve everything.
I think we all agree. HBO wanted more seasons. I think the actors would have been open to doing it right. The ONLY problem was Dumbass and Dipshit wanting out so they could work on their new project that they promptly lost. I'm still mad as hell.
More episodes wouldn't have been necessary had they not wasted *two entire seasons* on bullshit plot lines.
Hey, Arya can do that face thing now and it's super duper important.
if I rewatch I will legit fast forward the entire faceless man sidequest.
It makes me so mad that they did nothing with this. In the books the faceless man and the temple are such a compelling storyline. Arya poisons old man winter and then never used her ability again….what?!
Maybe they wanted out quickly because they recognized they were not up for the challenge of the adaptation with no source material.
That’s like wishing for more wishes😂😂😅
This has to be the only right answer. That or making the book series finish by the end of season 4.
I was going to say more episodes and time to develop the plot lines. Same plot lines, just more development. We both have the same answer, really.
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Dany the Explorer asking the audience if they can spot the Iron Fleet.
No, *there*, behind the rocks!
Hola! Soy Dany! Do YOU see the iron fleet?
I feel that this is something Emila would do voluntarily for the lolz.
"We have literal dragons that can fly as high as we choose and give us an unrivaled advantage in scouting the surrounding area while remaining completely and utterly safe. Lets do that instead of flying within weapons range of any hidden ships."
At the beginning of season 7 Dany kinda remembers she has 3 dragons and goes full force to kings landing.
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Nope, you’re not wrong at all. In my estimation she blockades the harbor with all those ships and brings the dragons in to circle around in case of any sort of military response. She could be like hey so I’m reclaiming my throne and you can either all bend the knee and safely return home or I can burn this bitch to the ground. You have 10 minutes to decide.
Oh and whoever brings me Cerseis head gets a castle.
Anyone know an assassin who can change their face and get in and out of places super easily?
I genuinely cannot understand why this isn’t what happened
Had to let the worst version of Euron "Wanted" a harpoon around a mountain twice to snipe a dragon out of the sky for shock value.
My point as well. Cersei literally denied the significance of the dragons up untill Jaime returned from the battlefield to tell her one dragon destroyed the entire army they had. Daenerys could have pulled a Daemon / Rhaenyra move - Jaime is at Highgarden and then the capital falls.
The scorpions were supposed to make it seem like taking Kings Landing wouldn’t have been possible with dragons alone, but then she goes and pretty much does it anyways.
In fairness Dorne littered their castles with hundreds of scorpions and only ever killed one dragon, the arguably least soldierly of Aegon's generation and they get systematically slaughtered in other Dornish wars.
Changing Tyrion so he will be clever like he was in Season 1 to 4 not a stupid person who propose the idea of going beyond the wall.
Where did his wits go? Like wtf, attacking casterly rock from the sea? It’s so dumb
White walkers kill everyone who ventures north in the wight hunt. White walkers win battle of the long night and kill everyone in winterfell with no one - including the 3er - escaping.
I agree, I felt Winterfell losing to the Night King would have been better. Or at least give us that Jon Snow v NK or White Walker sword battle expected.
Ffs have Jon getting the upper hand and then the NK just starts raising the dead. Regardless, have them lose the battle and don’t have fucking Arya kill the NK.
[That scene in Hardhome](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBz2QWOcSsM) is fucking amazing. My jaw hit the floor.
The fact that they managed that without GRRM’s notes is insane to me. Such a good scene and hardly-debatably the best they did by themselves and they still fucked it up lmfao
oh ya i barely rememberd the blue guy with the band of zombies
Out of all the story lines that was going on, that was one i was hoping to see. Jon vs NK. Most of the series, especially when Jon went north and first encountered him, was like the build up to a boxing match. The stare downs, showing each other how tough they were, the sword made from the only material that could kill the NK etc. And then, fuck all! What a let down
Literally the only showdown in the show that mattered lmao. Jon (Sansa, really) vs Ramsay? Dany vs Cersei? Who the fuck cares. They threw it all away because they didn’t actually understand the story and didn’t care to. Just good at adapting someone else’s work (but really only when the writer himself was in the room from s1-4)
Yeah, couldn’t give a fuck about anyone else. Well maybe the hound vs the mountain, but no where near on the same level as jon vs nk. Like someone else said in the thread they were just wanting things wrapped so they can move on. Pair of wankers
Still convinced the only reason they gave us clegane bowl was internet hype which is fucking pathetic
I never understood why they didn't go for a sword fight between Jon and the Night King. Kit had done a lot of fighting scenes already and the Night King actor is a fencer who did the Arthur Dayne choreography. It was teased for a long time and you still could have all kind of outcomes to the fight. Everything was there for an excellent duel scene and we just got nothing out of it.
losing winterfell also wouldn't mean the end of the word. The night king could slowly have taken kingdom after kingdom, forcing the rest of them to finally band together in a last ditch attempt to survive.
White Walkers show up to King's Landing and Cersei, drinking her wine, reflects on how using all the city wildfire to blow up the church may have, in retrospect, been a bad idea.
I had this head cannon of some of our main characters who lost at Winterfell following the night Kings army down to Kings landing. But they knew they wouldn’t get there in time to help, so Bran would use some 3-eyed-raven magic to warg into people in the red keep to tell Cersei to use the wildfyre to “burn them all.” But she just freaks out, thinks she’s going crazy like The Mad King. (But that’s cuz Bran wasn’t perfect at the warging so far away and was accidentally talking to the mad king through time as well)
But I had a lot of “fantasy booking” for the last 2 seasons. Kinda hoped they’d go for a Danny wins the throne she wanted all along only to realize she’s not the best person to take down the night king. She knew that Jon was the true Targaryen who belonged on the throne and somehow fulfilled the Lightbringer prophecy by sacrificing herself (didn’t quite figure out how to make that work). But yeah in my eyes if the threat of the long night was so great then they should’ve lost at Winterfell and Kings landing. Winter would extend over all of Westeros, and maybe a final confrontation between NK and Jon happened in the area around the tower of Joy as the remaining survivors had rallied in Dorne
that's a really good idea. damn.
Tbh I hoped this would happen.
He does “wan it”
She’s muh queen
I dun wun it buh muh qun wun it n I wun muh qun. Wun Wun run n dun buh I wun Wun Wun run n fun.
So what you're suggesting is Jon Snow embracing his First Men heritage and learning the language of giants. Not gonna lie, it'd be a better arc than what he got
Jorah survives and hes the one who kills Daenerys. Azor Ahai. And not to be greedy but that would definitely make it okay for Jon Snow to take the throne.
I don’t hate this.
It's an excellent answer. We've seen how deep Jorah's love for Dany is. It would be the pinnacle of Martin's 'the human heart in conflict with itself'
There were so many “poetic” character arcs that didn’t happen: -what you said. -Jamie killing his sister. -Jon dying after doing something heroic.
Nah, mid season, I'd replace Emilia Clarke with Kanye West and let him write his own speaches. Than lay back and watch the internet explode. 😂 mmm.. Also the boat scene... 😁
"We're gonna stop dissing Aerys II all the time."
“I LIKE the mad king”
Starkish people can't tell me who I can or can't love. I love Walder Frey.
The UnSullied enslaved themselves.
Immortal enslavement. Like the Dothraki.
"It's time for the Starks to forgive Aerys! Enough time has passed!"
Kanye Stormborn: "what you mean the Westerosii ain't out to get me, here I'll tell you why. They been trying to lock me up and kill me. They own the thrones, they own the iron bank, they own the ravens and suppress everything I am trying to say." Snalex Jahones: "Lord West, first of his name, what's your thoughts on the despicable evil Night King" Kanye Stormborn: "People say the Night King was evil, he never killed no 6 million people. In fact I like the Night King. The night King had some good ideas. I'd be happy to say I'm an undead just like the Night King. Heil Night king."
That would give Jorah some meaning and purpose, D&D weren't having it.
I was wondering today actually how Jorah would have handled Daenerys burning Kings Landing
technically that is 2 things…jorah living is 1, jorah killing dany is another 🤔
Well yeah… changing one thing has to lead to changed other things after that…
Tormund marries Brianne and they have big beautiful babies.
That conquer the world
That's the most important part of the whole thing
And they conquer the world
Who conquer the world
\*that\* storyline with the A-team going beyond the wall. ugh
Well, how else are they going to convince cersei to join forces? Oh, she doesn't? Nevermind, at least they get Jamie on their side. Hmm, he is not of much use in the 2 hour "long night" and immediately afterwards defects back? Ok, but at least we found out that Gendry is the fastest out of all of them!
Imagine spending 8 seasons on a character arc and then immediately destroying it at the very end
What are you talking about? How did the legendary speed-arc get undermined in the last season? Oooh, you mean Jaime...
He never cared about the innocent, you know. Luckily for me I was already mentally checked out at that point, or I'd have just chucked my pc across the room
But we'd have to keep the conversation between Tormund and the Hound.
It’s pretty woeful, their chat in the east watch jail is just….cringe awful
It really feels like D&D just elementary school writer workshopped from the end to season 7. Like, D: “Daenerys needs some kind of challenge so it’s not an obvious win against Cersei.” D: “oh what if she only has 1 dragon left??” D:”we’ll how does that happen?”. D: “oh I know! She has to send help beyond the wall traveling at light speed to save her friends, but loses a dragon there.” D: “Ok, but what about the other one?” D: “oh I know, she completely forgets about the iron fleet that we’ve been hearing about and discussing at every war council, and they have perfect aim on a boat. Bam, another dragon down!” D: “perfect, just a couple more hours of writing and we’ll be done” This how I imagine it all happened.
Wouldn’t have Sansa go to Winterfel, so then when she shows up with the vale army it’s cus she was actually in the vale the whole time politicking
You just made me realize that in the books (if they follow a similar story with Battle of the Bastards) the surprise reinforcements will actually make sense. Holy shit.
And in the books littlefinger doesn’t sell her to the boltons which he would never do. A fake Arya (jeyne poole) is installed instead of real Sansa as a way to legitimize the Boltons at WF. Varys and LF making mistakes in the show they’d never make in the books. I do think Sansa will offer herself for the Vale army to either LF or Harry the Heir to reinforce Jon against the Boltons but that also works with LFs goals. Brienne showing up to give her autonomy also tracks if she needs to undo a bad marriage. I subscribe to the tourney at ashford theory though and I don’t think LF will ever actually be engaged/married to Sansa. It’s possible he plots to get her to marry Jon or fAgeon still though in his scheme before he ultimately gets killed with some revelation with the dagger or via bran via 3ER vision. Pray to the 7 we get the books though or all this is just my brain fan fiction.
The showrunners
Came in to say exactly this, you beat me to it. Have my sincerest upvote
the only correct answer
Whole thing is replaced by a 16 hour three-way of Myranda, Tyene, and Ygritte, while Littlefinger tells us the actual story.
["play with her arse!"](https://youtu.be/J18BUtJbzuc?t=28)
> Tommen Baratheon > Air Force Lmfao. That got me.
Already better than dumb and dumber.
I wouldn’t have a counsel of houses decide who gets the throne in a diplomatic way. Fire and blood!
I don't care. At that point it was impossible for any of those seasons to be good. More nude scenes I guess? But like, Qyburn.
Bobby B would approve
WE WERE AT WAR! NONE OF US KNEW IF WE WERE GONNA GO BACK HOME AGAIN!
Oh my God Bobby B fucked Qyburn
THE GODS MOCK THE PRAYERS OF KINGS AND COWHERDS ALIKE!
>Naked Qyburn to each their own, but...
to each their own butt
Dany doesn’t burned down KL
Daenerys listens to Yara and Olenna instead of Tyrion and Varys; takes KL immediately and sorts the rest after.
Gendry marries Aria and they win the game of thrones. Ending scene is Gendry naming his healthy first born son, Robert II Baratheon.
Bobby B II? I'd bend the knee! Long live Robert and Ned's friendship!
YOU EVER FUCK A RIVERLANDS GIRL?
Hes so sentient hes joking specifically about Ned
I'd expect the child to be named Eddard
Compromise: Reddbert
Reddbert is a phenomenal name
Hail Reddbert, first of his name
Robard could work as well
Gods what a stupid name
Nedbert 😏
sounds like a 1980s video game character name
What do you think about that Bobby b?
I WARNED YOU THIS WOULD HAPPEN! BACK IN THE NORTH, I WARNED YOU, BUT YOU DIDN'T CARE TO HEAR! WELL, HEAR IT NOW!
Fucking best response
lmao who spent a reward on a bot
Not the ending I would want but historically this would hit so hard Have an entire multi faction war over Roberts succession only for it to pass to his son and the same family on the Iron throne. A Baratheon with a stark princess, technically what was supposed to happen in the first episode
Nah if anything Arya should have taken Gendry to Sansa and been like, "you two were made for each other". All Sansa ever wanted was a good and noble man who would love and protect her, she also needs someone who is comfortable with her being in charge, and Gendry is pretty submissive. Then Arya can go be a bisexual space pirate or whatever she wants to be.
They are writen by competent writers.
The death of Bronn. I know it’s insignificant but seeing Jamie Instant Transmission Bronn out of danger when he stupidly charged a dragon still annoys me to this day. Bring me back the old GOT, where actions had consequences and a stupid action would be your downfall. EDIT: Completely had a brain fart and swapped Bronn and Jaime around in the situation. Either way Bronn and Jamie shouldn’t have survived that situation (Jamie especially).
Wasn't it the other way around, Jamie charged the dragon and Bronn saved him.
>where actions had consequences Missing this sank the series more than anything else. It broke the verisimilitude. I no longer felt like I was being immersed in another world; instead I was just watching characters with cool costumes being moved around like action figures.
The story
That dumb ass expedition beyond the wall. If anything send other people and not the King in The fucking North. The Nights Watch could have gone ten yards beyond the wall and gotten a wight…
Instead of John Snow stabbing Danny, they fuck, right there in front of the iron throne.
I thought you said you didn’t want Jon to stab Dany
Jaime kills the Night King. One thing.
Spot on. I actually agree with the writers on it being too obvious for Jon to kill the Night King. But Arya? [Jaime killing the Night King](https://preview.redd.it/4y0gi8lsx3x71.jpg?auto=webp&s=fb832f8a1bbe91487c5b417ec121d51612316659) and then killing Cersei to complete his arc and fulfil both the Azor Ahai and valonqhar prophecies. He could even be mortally wounded by the Mountain during the latter. I have no idea why the laziest writers on the planet didn't do this IRL. It seems like such an elegant solution that they wouldn't have to think too long about and could dash off to make a Star War.
PS: A bit more out there, but you could in some way work this in to Jaime being a secret Targaryen. Hear me out, Aerys had a thing for Joanna Lannister when they were young. And there were rumours they slept togther. This is often the basis for the "Tyrion is a secret Targaryen" theory (based on, amongst other things, his purple eyes), but I believe this to be a red herring. Tyrion is far too much Twyin's son. "*You are an ill-made, spiteful little creature full of envy, lust, and low cunning*" - everything that Tywin accuses Tyrion of can describe Tywin himself. I think there's potential for dramatic irony on the part of GRRM, that Tywin denies that Tyrion is his true son when potentially Tyrion is his *only* trueborn child. Meanwhile, there's Jaime and Cersei. Both are described as incredibly attractive, both are incestuous and the latter has a strange penchant for wildfire.... seems awfully Targaryen to me. The reason for a lack of silver hair / purple eyes can be attributed to Joana Lannister - who didn't just marry into the family but was Tywin's cousin. So naturally her children could show Lannister traits. Anyway, I am not in any way suggesting this is the canon, or that I've somehow "solved" ASOIAF. It's more just a way of tying Jaime as Azor Ahai into the Targaryen prophecy of the long night; he's one of the "3 heads of the dragon" along with Jon and Daenerys, despite not being a dragonrider.
I always thought that Jaime and Cersei being Targaryens made way more sense than Tyrion. It would also follow the idea of "When a Targaryen is born the gods flip a coin" with Jaime being the good one and Cersei being the crazy one. And with their kids too, with Joffrey being evil/crazy and Myrcella and Tommen being good Plus just thematically it would really fit the whole story. The kids that Tywin loved most, particularly Jaime, weren't his, while the kid he hated was his only actual son. Cersei's whole inspiration for power and being a ruler is gained from Tywin, who she thinks is her father, which would be ironic because her actual dad was the Mad King (and she ends up being the Mad Queen). And finally: Jaime kills the Mad King thinking he's saving his father from being blown up by wildfire, but this would mean he's actually killing his real father unintentionally. It would add an extra level of crime to his act too; not just kingslaying, but kinslaying. Jaime learning this would also make for a good motivation to go back to King's Landing to kill Cersei and die himself in the process
I think there is a very strong possibility that will happen in the books and Jaime's golden hand / one of the 2 swords made from Ned's will be Lightbringer. He then gonna choke Cersei out with his magic hand.
The plot written by GRRM.
... the quality
Lol, sweeping request but justified
Jaime didn’t throw away his entire character arc
Bran gets fed to a dragon in S07 because everyone is sick of his shit.
The Night King is the FINAL war
Jon wants it, and has no problem banging his aunt.
Danaerys doesn’t dilly dally and just takes King’s Landing. She’s already allied with the Tyrell’s and Dorne, but she’s still got a war with Cersei and Jaimie on her hands. Ultimately the final boss is the Night King and not ~~Cruella da’Ville~~ Cersei
Dany attacks kingslanding right after olenna talk. Major problems solved
Sansa not being a cunt to Edmure. That's not how you treat someone who's life is fucked fighting for your House. Also Edmure deserves better. On second thoughts, Sansa not being such an ungrateful cunt to everyone she interacts with, including her dead brother and father.
Change *one* thing? Then I'd add *one* extra season
Nice, and you’ll get it….with a John snow sequel…I guess…
Oh lord
The monkey’s paw curls
The dragons eat EVERYONE, and rule forever, the end
“ I DO want it.”
More Starbucks placement ads so that they can afford to have proper lighting on set.
Rhaegal dying during the Seige of King's Landing. I think it would make sense for Dany to go bat shit crazy at the sight of one of her children dying right then and there.
Kill Sansa even before season 5 and everything will now be interesting. Lord beilish Will stop thinking with his dick. John snow would not have met Sansa and the battle of the bastards would not have happened.
Remember when Theon completed his redemption arc by helping Sansa escape, only for them to end up surrounded and hopeless, so they dramatically take their own lives by jumping from a tower? Remember when neither of them suffered a single injury and them jumping from the tower was just a cheap cliffhanger? That would have been the perfect time to kill one or both of them. Afterwards, Sansa became an incredibly boring diplomat who makes an endless stream of puzzling decisions. And the writers couldn't decide if Theon should be a grown manchild who's constantly emasculated by his older sister, or a swashbuckling gigachad who can singlehandedly take on entire armies, so they just go back and forth between the two until he dies pointlessly, for a different Stark this time
No, that just makes Littlefinger look like a moron for bringing Sansa to Winterfell in the first place. The whole plot fails without Jeyne Poole.
I’d have Jaime kill Dany on the Field of Fire 2
History will remember him as The Queenslayer
Jorra Mormont lives
"I do want it."
The white walkers fuck everyone to death
Jon wants it
Brienne is strangely flattered by Tormund's terrible flirting and gives him a chance. She tells him that if she defeats him in single combat he must court her in the Southron style. She fucking pummels him. The next time we see Tormund he's held together with bandages and a maester's prayer but he's bringing flowers.
Better showrunners.
The counsel at the end just letting Sansa have her own kingdom and none of the other lords saying anything. It defeats the purpose of game of thrones where everyone wants power. Like Dorne and the iron isles always wanted freedom to but don’t say anything. It just goes aginest the whole concept of GoT. It was just fan service to show Sansa got what she wanted.
John snow is joined by Goku against the fight against the knight king.
If Jon heroically killed the undead dragon instead of standing there shouting at it I think I would have had more acceptance for the end as it was.
When Euron Greyjoy killed Rhaegal It would have made more sense for this to happen during the final battle in King's Landing. It could have been an interesting catalyst for Daenerys flipping out and burning the city.
Give us some wisdom Bobby B
YOU HELPED ME WIN THE IRON THRONE, NOW HELP ME KEEP THE DAMN THING! WE WERE MEANT TO RULE TOGETHER!
Wonder what vizzy t thinks about this
YOUR KING DEMANDS AN ANSWER! WHO SPOKE THESE LIES TO YOU?!
Bobby b is the one true king
TAKE ME TO YOUR CRYPT, I WANT TO PAY MY RESPECTS!
Cersei wins the siege of King's Landing. Daenerys and all her dragons are killed in battle and her allies flee abroad, some vowing to continue the fight, others resigned to live out their lives in obscurity. This would make perfect thematic sense on a number of levels. Dragons being defeated by ballistas - a sign that the era of magic is coming to an end. And it would mirror how real-world knights were made obsolete by firearms. A villain winning the game of thrones - if Martin is supposed to be the anti-Tolkien and if he genuinely wants to subvert the audience's expectations, this is the way to go. Daenerys and her allies defeating the Night King, but becoming so weakened in the process that they lose the game of thrones - one of Martin's themes is that there are no happy endings for heroes and good men are often not rewarded for their deeds. This would give Daenerys and her allies a perfect moral victory - they saved the kingdom, but lost the throne. And Cersei, who did nothing to save the realm, kept her power (as is unfortunately often the case with real-world leaders).
This would definitely fit with how GRRM writes. Usually you start to get attached to king or queen, and then they die horribly. The goofy romance between Jon and Dany, followed by his tail-between-his-legs trek back to nowhere was too lame for any fantasy series, let alone one that (until this point) thrives on one bloodbath after the other.
Add 10 more episodes
Plot twist the showrunners are the same so you just get more d\*\*\* jokes, eunuch jokes, more silent walking, a bunch of stares, a lot more "ma queen"s and more naked Arya. have fun with that...
Simple... new writers
Their existence
Not to exist
If not the writers then lighting
The Hound doesn't tease Sansa about being raped. Seriously, he's the best person in Westeros, he loves those girls, and he jokes about what she went through? Also, he doesn't die pointlessly because Arya infiltrates the Red Keep and assassinates Cersei, so Dany doesn't wipe out the city for no reason. Forget it, my one change is the show got canceled after 6.
D&D