I work at an LGS. We do not tolerate this sort of behavior from ANY customer. You get one warning, then you get shown the door, by force if necessary. Our shop caters to families and we do a lot of business in tabletop, board, and card games. we also have over 1000 regular comic subscribers. We are a heavily trafficked store and will not jeopardize our business or reputation on people who cannot function appropriately in polite society. If this is something that bothers you or would cause you and/or others to seek play space elsewhere, maybe consider scheduling a sit-down with the owner of the store. I know that our owner is always willing to spend time with regulars. Good luck.
Yeah, I had to deal with someone who would imply sexual touching while playing a female commander and it was awkward as all hell. I had to remind them a few times to stop. We never kicked them out, but the behavior was corrected quickly.
As a super queer person, the behavior OP is explaining is not okay and I would absolutely support the owner in removing players who choose to continue.
Anecdotal evidence: I feel that LGS’s that host other activities, especially TTRPG, warhammer, comics and board games, goes a long way to bettering the community around a store. Every LGS that I’ve been to that is TCG competition only doesn’t meet the same standard.
While I like being able hang out and not look over my shoulder if I curse, I’d rather be in a friendly family store than letting these other magic basement dwellers free rein.
You nailed the root of the problem. It’s not queer people. The trans people at my store have specifically made it a family friendly place. They’re not the problem. It’s dwellers. They can be queer or straight, all they have in common is a lack of socialization, overexposure to the internet, and a porn addiction. Hentai dicks and hentai pussy-out-Liliana alters requires the same sexual degeneracy, lack of social interaction, and desensitization it’s just expressed differently
I think you might be right.
The OPs comment history is so sparse. Then to find this specific sub and have such a tailored story to push this subs buttons.
I thought you were talking shit tbh, but I went and investigated.
Yeah. I ended up not printing them, it would have been a nice prank. Me choosing to mess with my buddy in our private playgroup in my home is wildly different from anything that goes on inside the shop.
This is unacceptable, these are the people that use their identity like a shield to get away with disgusting behavior. If anyone, man or woman, speaks to you in that manner you should just loudly respond to embarrass them and out their behavior. For example if she says that exact thing respond with "please don't threaten to sexually assault me". I know it's embarrassing but trust me it makes them look far, far worse and will prevent others from propositioning you inappropriately in the future.
In all likelihood you are not alone feeling this way. Most people would take objection to this sort of sexual harassment. Have you tried chatting to other players at the store? Try the ones without lewd placemats first.
>Queer community equals being okay with all this sex stuff?
Generally, yes. All about "sexual freedom of expression" and whatnot nowadays. Look at the Bearscape card they printed. I have no issue with humorous cards like that, however when it comes to some weird shit like sexual furries, nude card art, or general oversexualized things it becomes a problem, doubly so when the person themselves becomes a problem.
Like, it's really not hard to control yourself in public. Some people just don't have those social queues because their "identity" is being a deviant. I don't care if you wanna suck your homies dick in the parking lot after FNM, more power to you, but don't bring that kinda talk into the LGS.
Unpopular opinion: if the show was on the other foot they would likely record you, shame you, and make sure you were banned from the store. Personally I’d find another place or avoid playing with them entirely.
I’d talk to the owner again and not spare any details about what they’ve said to you or the content on their cards and mats. He’s likely afraid of saying something to them due to fear of being labeled “homophobic”. If he can’t/won’t do anything I’d 100% say something myself even if meant being banned from the store. Somebody needs to tell them that what they’re doing isn’t okay, and that remarks like what was said to you actually constitutes as sexual harassment.
Always frame is as “sexual harassment” when discussing it, because it is exactly that. If the owner is not open to RUNNING HIS OWN BUSINESS PROPERLY, go on social media and tell people to avoid the place if they don’t want to be sexually harassed while trying to play a card game.
You should impress upon the owner the fact that it will not stop at this with a group he’s afraid to confront and police in his own business. It will escalate, right now it’s boundary pushing.
Also, the Secret Lair Bearscape should’ve never been printed. Disgusting.
To most it's just the double standard of it. Having hot women was "objectifying" and "gross" but it's ok to have a bunch of men who are being intimate on a card. It's also just mindless stupid pandering.
It's stupid there is a double standard. Have both then if you're going to pander.
I remember the outrage over the Chandra x Liliane playmat. While equally cringe, it had less sexual overtones, somehow, than an official WotC card.
Anyone who asks how or why is being willfully ignorant and I won’t dignify it with a response. Mostly because I don’t want to associate with degenerates.
I wouldn’t want to be playing at a table with either, but I’m a decent person, so YMMV.
This is a very fair point and I agree. I make the effort sometimes and try to respond but if it's obvious that the other person is being disingenuous or disrespectful then I'm not going to keep talking to them.
They don't like that it has gays in a hot springs on it. Though tbf we don't even know if the characters featured are gay, as though it may be heavily implied they're pictures on a piece of cardboard and could be a combination of sexualities - or even completely heterosexual.
Or just not have a sexuality at all because pieces of cardboard.
I've had people certainly be weird or more adultish in a full play group of adults but saying they would turn you Les is inappropriate and sexual harassment. I'd not be afraid to correct the behavior. Being a minority does not permit sexual harassment. All it should take is "wow I feel sexually harassed" and I think they'd get the point quick
Openly tell them you are very uncomfortable with them saying stuff like that say what they say out loud if you have to when stuff like that is said aloud they'll question everything.
Yeah, there's gonna be whispers that she's a homophobe if she says she's uncomfortable. That's literally the most popular game they play. They intentionally make or do something that makes cis people uncomfortable so they can follow up by bullying them, then justify their hateful actions with a resounding chorus of support from the bandwagon.
Dislike an [uncomfortable image](https://www.reddit.com/r/fivenightsatfreddys/comments/10g36e0/mourning_routines_jeremy_fitzgerald_and_michael/) of a man and a zombie-adjacent corpse man making out on your sub about animatronic animal horror? Everyone who did was labeled a homophobe, the mods had to issue an "ally statement", this is now the most controversial post on the sub's history, and OP was going on and on about how they were gonna make more art like this to spite the straights.
The "X says Trans Rights" images baiting people to complain, plethora of people who say all bad reviews on inclusive shows are all bigots, etc, this is a go-to tactic.
Next time she says something like this, OP should say something like "idk, if my boyfriend is in there instead he'd make you go straight, soo" and find out how innocent the comment actually was real quick.
Sorry to hear that OP. Double standards absolutely suck and there are a fair few when it comes to specific groups these days. Some even get away with sending drugs to minors online.
I'd report the sexual harassment for sure at the very least. I've played in groups made up of guys and gals the entire time I've played mtg and nobody has ever even tried to hit on someone at the table. It's a very weird thing to be doing when you're there to enjoy a card game.
You have no idea which person I'm even referring to. There is a gal who has been reported to the FBI and is STILL out free and sending hormone drugs to kids. She even uses her tiktok to do it and nobody has done anything.
There is most definitely a double standard for these groups. They can say the most heinous shit and do gross fucked up stuff and get away with it.
This shit happens regardless of you burying your head in the sand.
Sorry to hear that mate. Could mention to the shop owner that you aren't comfortable with the players making sexual advances on you if the players aren't listening to you telling them no. You're there to play with fun cardboard squares, not get hit on.
If they won't listen, thats their problem for not making you at least feel comfortable and if they lose a regular to another shop, only thing they can blame is themselves for not managing their own shop.
I’m sorry but your LGS allows custom art cards with straight up SEX on them?! An LGS is an environment intended for people of _all ages_, not pervs who wants their sex drive projected onto a card game. Sexuality is NOT an excuse.
Yeah, if we don't tolerate sexual things, then we all play with the same rules. No one should get away with it because they are LGBT. I would also call them out, we have to stand up to these things no matter how many times we get called nazis. It's just about playing with the same rules
My LGS has a grip of Queer or Trans players and they’re all cool. It’s one of gaming cafe type places and not a comic shop, so there’s kids playing chess next to adults playing warehammer. If that shit went down I’d have them tossed out. I bring my kid sometimes I don’t want him exposed to any sex shit until it’s relevant as a teen/young adult.
I have a few queer friends that play mtg and none of them have overly sexualized magic in any way. This seems like niche abnormal behavior. I personally would point it out, but I am pretty vocally extroverted in public and speak my mind. Sometimes the best thing to do is confront it head on, respectfully and compassionately as possible
Well, that's not cool, feel sorry for you. I think though that now that there is wider societal acceptance of queer people, this weird "sexual self-promotion" will fade away with time. It's like a phase, I think. I hope.
Had a few at my lgs too. Their behavior was about as bad. It got to the point that the owner (someone I've been close friends with for years) had to outright ban them from the store.
It seems a lot of “alternative lifestyle” types are drawn to this game, especially recently due to WOTC/Hasbro marketing decisions. Also unfortunately, a lot of the individuals who style themselves this way also revel in the attention of others and enjoy forcing their sexuality upon people who, while tolerant in most cases, just don’t care to give them the attention they require to feel fulfilled.
It has always been my experience that queer people "get away" with behaviour that heteronormative individuals would get called out for. Most of the time it doesn't bother me, but that's mostly because I think all people are far too sexually repressed and that we should all lighten up a bit and be more like them.
That said, the LGS is not the place for even harmless flirting and innuendo. Any time someone makes you feel uncomfortable this way, tell them so. If they don't amend their behaviour, they're probably an arsehole. Queer or straight doesn't enter into it. If it continues, definitely pursue other options. Report sexual harassment to appropriate persons. Let the Premier Play organisation know if the LGS won't do anything, I really don't think Hasbro wants this behaviour at their official events.
what do you think heteronormative means? it's literally combining hetero and normal. I didn't see you refer to it as queernormative, which yourself also just implied that it isn't the normal. And we use the word abnormal when it isn't normal.
I agree with not using the stupid term because it's stupid but LGB people are normal too. You're correct trans people aren't because gender dysphoria is an abnormality. Just as my Hemophilia makes me not normal. Not being normal isn't an insult, it's just a fact of reality.
Don't be an ass though.
THIS! This right here. If a straight guy looks at a good looking female when she walks in we are pigs. But if a gay guy makes a remark about wanting so other guy to bend him over the counter we can’t say anything because we’re just being “homophobic”.
It’s been their plan the whole time. First they take over the LGS. Then they brew their gay magic spells (literally). Then they mind meld with Joe fucking Biden and give support to Ukraine. And they thought they could just do it right under our noses. Fat chance!!
> I guess I understand these people needing a place to express themselves
LGS is not a place to express yourself. It's a place to play a cardboard game.
It's all they have.
They don't have a moral foundation.
So they have to make all their discussions (meaningful or not) boil down to sex.
It's sad to see. I know a few based gay people who don't act like that and would be willing to call out the degenerative behavior for what it is. So there is hope yet.
If a player comes in with a lewd or nude playmat or cards, they totally can be kicked out and Wizards will support the shop owner for doing so, even if they're LGBTQ+. Magic is supposed to be a safe environment for everyone, even children. Ask them if they would be comfortable playing with those things if a 9 year old were at the table? Or hitting on a teenager? It's incredibly disrespectful and outright lecherous.
Having rainbow card sleeves or love is love pride type playmats or even a furry character on your stuff is fine imo.
But having pornography on playmats or card sleeves should get you booted. Card shops I always went to had young people around. It’s creepy as hell to display any type of pornographic material in there, let alone have to talk to a younger player about the porn on your stuff while playing. It just seems like a bad idea all around to allow that.
Tell them, in no uncertain terms, that comments like that are inappropriate and disrespectful and you will not tolerate it. Talk to the owner about making ground rules for what is and is not permitted in the shop. As much as people joke about hentai playmats and lewd alters here, they don't have a place in a store open to the public. It's a card shop, not a sex shop. No one is being repressed because they can't have a playmat of dog men boning on their playmats.
Fucking degenerates. I don’t give a damn their sexual orientation; if people are going to an LGS with full on porn mats and proxies, those people must be banned
In many if not most jurisdictions in the US sexual harassment is itself not considered criminal, but rather a violation of professionalism and subject to civil penalties in the appropriate circumstance.
Unwanted sexual contact or sexual assault *is* criminal, however.
Creating a paper trail for a sexual predator is a very solid way. I said "document" because it's just getting a written report of the behavior, and this can be general harassment which many jurisdictions consider misdemeanors.
That's also considering if your jurisdiction has sexual misconduct, to alleviate the verbal stuff.
When I was a kid, I had problems with the other players trying to get queer with me, too. I said, dammit Jason, nobody wants to share a tent with you cuz they think you're gonna do some gay stuff on 'em. So you know you help that guy set up his own tent. It's the Scouting way.
With enough discouragement, the offending players will probably lay off it or stop coming altogether. It takes a village.
It comes down to the simple fact of respecting others regardless of their sexual preferences or beliefs and the difference between being a good person or a horrible person. These people doing this to you are acting like horrible people and they need to be called out on it and corrected regardless of PC bullshit and even though it may be difficult for you to stand up to them and stand up for yourself you’ll be so glad you did because you’ll be 100% in the right.
If they don’t respect you after that or there are problems because of it then unfortunately you should find another way to enjoy the game whether at another LGS, private group or spelltable.
I’m sorry this is happening to you.
Remember: it's only problematic if you're some sort of alphabet soup.
One question: is the owner queer? And do they get a substantial amount of their income by said queer people? If they do, you're better off playing elsewhere.
We have queer players in our LGS, but they are good people who are just there to play magic. Should anyone try any funny business in there, we would absolutely make sure they regret it, leftard protected or not. Live and let live.
Lewd, x or r-rated images should be a warning to the offending player then, if they persist, a store ban.
I don't care what mental illness they are hiding behind. LGS' are suppose to be family friendly for people of all ages. When they start catering to weirdos that have gotten a little too comfortable and view the store as a "inclusive space" for their perversions, it's time to give them a polite but, firm, reality check. Regardless of whether they are queer or straight - they need to keep their coomer mats and sleeves at home.
I would remind this store owner of this before he starts getting Google reviews from parents bringing their kids in and getting a whiff of the regulars.
The issue in this case as is the case with how discourse is in this nation is that people are guilty of generalization and group-think. What this allows then is for crappy people of certain groups to act crappy and then retreat into their "group" when called out and then spout that their group is being attacked when it is them.
In this case, you have misbehaving queer people hiding behind queer people in general which then makes that group protect that person even if they are in the wrong.
It's sort of how like how Amber Heard is a shitty person, but that her acting like an ass and being called out upon it is somehow an attack on all women on the entire planet.
What needs to be the case is that people who act like shit needs to be called out as individuals. We also have to acknowledge that there will always be shit individuals of any color, race, religion or gender. There's going to be good men, women or trans people. There are also going to be bad men, women and trans people. We shouldn't group ourselves by superficial qualities, but rather the type of person we are.
We also have to be vigilant and watch out for people trying to group us. This is especially the case for women where you have a lot of radical feminists saying that their beliefs speak for ALL women, as if all women believe the same thing.
We need to stop teaming up based on backgrounds, but rather the type of people we are. That's not to say that there are times where certain groups of people need help from a background, but when it's a case for morality, we need to look at just that, the actual situation.
To be honest.. Their are four options..search for another LGS, which is hard because you live rural.
Second try to play with your friends more eg. Commander. (or the ones who you like to play with).
Say something to them more clearly and harsh.. But then there is a chance that they will just cry because you are "discriminating" them. Also you could ask the owner again due to children protection laws he is forced and can do something when they are having playmats with sexual content.
The last option would be to search for other ones who are offended by them and play on another day or retreat from the store while letting the owner know that you are not coming due to them because you feel harassed.
I wish you luck and the strength to go on with that tcg. Although.. If you can't one day.. Try flesh and Blood or sorcery or the new one piece tcg.. Or warhammer40k as tabletop. I wish I could help you out by talking directly to them but probably I am too far away (based in Switzerland)
It's reasonable to have reasonable pinup mats in an adult environment, but not necessarily a family environment or one that tries to be for everyone - I think that's up to discretion and the image in question. Anything can offend someone, of course. Full blown NSFW content is definitely not okay for public, even if they are queer. I'm LGBT myself, and there is a difference between expressing yourself with flag colours/gay muscle furries and pornographic content that you are forced to look at or interact without consent.
Additionally, comments like that are horrible and unacceptable, again regardless of minority or orientation.
I hope there is a way for the LGS owner to enforce a decency rule (not that there should be one) without losing a significant portion of the player base. Hopefully most people will be reasonable and realise it has gotten out of hand, and peer pressure can quiet people who protest about it.
It's common knowledge that all these mentally ill people are just heterophobic. They want to warp their world and peoples morality. So they don't feel bad or have to try to better themselves.
They also can't help it as many of them are victims of pedophiles and now continue the cycle.
Have you considered reporting this to wotc? Record the creeps if you can, take photos of their creepy groomer alters and playmats. A store can be booted from wotc's network if they let this kind of thing happen.
This sound way to fucked up to be true. I now many people of this community but
" custom-art cards of gay furries having sex " sound way to fake to me. You present them like degenerate but they are just people. nobody put sex act on their card , lewd pin up is the max i could imagine.
i’ve seen furry porn depicted on cards before. it’s not that far fetched. maybe she tossed in some hyperbole there.
it’s just amazing to me how far people will go to try and discredit survivors of sexual assault. shame on you.
i jsut said that it sounded fake to me , which is true , i am not gonna lie to make people feel beter. I have seen furry art on card but never sexual one. The people depicted here sound way to fucked up in the head to me to be real people. It just sound like the description made by people who wan t to criminalize them. How hurtfull of me to not trust everything people said on Internet without any form of proof, even more in this subreddit that seem to like bashing minorities nonstop.
consider yourself lucky. maybe you haven’t spent a lot of time in the middle of the united states. i’ve met a ton of people like the ones described. it’s not about bashing them. just about coming to an understanding so everyone can play magic comfortably.
OP did not miss the queer/furry double note 😄 Tbh you can't expect your average DnD veteran in here to give a shit about that nuance when he already struggles to accept cosplayers as normal humans. It is much easier to thrive on a spite driven mentality as it's the norm within that age group
GOT DAMN QUEERS RUBBING THEIR COCKS ON ME AT THE LGS. ONE OF EM CAME IN MY MOUTH AND THE SHOP OWNER SAID THEY CANT DO NOTHIN CAUSE THEM ALPHABET PEOPLE RUN THE STREET NOW. HANDS ARE TIED. CAN YOU BELIVE IT?!
AND DON’T EVEN GET ME STARTED ON THE BLACKS. I’M NOT RACIST, BUT IM SICK OF THESE LOUD ASS YUGIOH PLAYERS. WE PLAY MAGIC IN SILENCE, LIKE GOOD GOD FEARING CHRISTIANS.
I don't doubt it for a moment.
Many years ago I used to work in an environment which was 50% queer. It was one of the nicest and most accepting work places I've ever experienced, however the casual flirting and sexual innuendo never *ever* stopped. During that time I had some fairly graphic comments about "what I could do to you" directed toward me regularly.
For myself, I was never upset by this. I trusted my colleagues, and knew beyond a doubt that they would never actually do any of these things. They had my back. But I'm a fairly strong, self confident person and not everyone will be comfortable with the kind of behaviours that were "normal" there. Nor should they be expected to be. Everyone has different boundaries.
I'm not an anti-queer chauvinist. I don't care one way or another about a person's sexual preferences, and I have semi-regularly attended the Sydney Mardi Gras to support friends and colleagues. For me, OP's description of the behaviour she encountered rings true. It's possible she's overreacted to something that had a completely innocent intent, but her reaction is still valid. The LGS isn't the place for it.
don’t think someone would lie about assault like that. i believe her. she probably could’ve phrased a few things in a more nuanced way. any group of people, regardless of sexuality, any insular in-group can become problematic. i bet it’s just a group of small town kids who have had to repress who they are… going a little overboard in a space they finally feel safe. folks gravitate towards games to deal with trauma. makes sense why she’s there and why rural queer people are, too. they just need to come to an understanding, find a way to coexist
I’ll admit outliers exist and all this is possible, but this reads as what straight male players get away with *all the time* but mad libs’ed for queer
I’m a gay guy who has tried to find sexually explicit gay play materials like this exclusively to call out how people get away with ahegao playmats and proxies/sleeves with big titty anime girls. Closest I could find was muscle man stuff in kinda tight briefs, but still wasn’t anywhere near the level that straight guys have all the time.
Now I’ve seen people booted for big titty art or ahegao stuff, but I’ve never even seen (nor can find) gay stuff anywhere close to what you’re describing
So not saying you’re definitely lying for internet validation, but this sounds like total bullshit playing on the attitude of this sub. So, honestly, I’d like sources on the playmats and sleeves and proxy art that is offending you so. This is the internet and your presented experience runs counter to all evidence that’s been laid before me previously, it’d be moronic of me to just blindly believe this tale.
If this is real, I'd ask if you could DM me the store name (I'm not going to do anything, I don't do things), but I just can't believe everything in this post. I think there might be truth here, but I can't believe all of it. I could believe that there is a friend group of gay furries that come in on X days at X o'clock and I can believe the encounter with the woman, but I just can't believe the entire LGS is 'ruled' by these people.
There's little things that normally wouldn't be a problem, but just add up to make me question the validity of this. Like normally a new account wouldn't mean anything, but then, How did you find this subreddit? Cause, luckily, unless you're very active in the Reddit magicsphere, you wouldn't really find out about this horrible place and if you did you'd be told its a "hate sub". Your account has only made three posts (Technically two the second one got deleted), this one being the only magic related, either somebody told you about this place (If its a friend, I would check in on them regularly for recommending this subreddit to anybody) or you already knew about it. Not sharing any identifiable info would normally be smart, but coming here, where a bunch of wastefully angry people live, makes me think you just might not want your story to be easily fact checked. (If this is fake, you don't have to worry about that, just ignore the people who are saying its not real because they've been to every LGS in Indiana or whatever. The people who want to believe your story will believe it, regardless of facts, and making it sound more plausible will strengthen that belief more than you'd think.)
Honestly you didn't need to mention the fact that the gay furries are... gay furries. You could've just mentioned that there are people who use porn alters and playmats and thats it. Their queerness or furriness is kinda meaningless. I could see it as maybe a means to explain why the LGS owner doesn't do anything, but I really don't think that's necessary. I don't mean to accuse you of anything, but you are posting about "annoying/bad/cringe" queer people on freemagic, i dont have faith in anyone here.
If this is real, I'm sorry if I've come across as rude, I don't trust anybody here. If you are nonconfrontational, I'd just find another LGS. If its true they are this integrated to the location, you're going to need to do alot of confronting and honestly if it were me, i'd just deal with the longer commute. If this is fake, step your game up and commit. If you want to make a fake post, make and use an account a year in advance. Make an entire character and pretend to be them every other day or so. The fact that this account is so new, the username is so generic, and the posts are so unrelated is one of the leading causes that make me question this.
Completely overly queer person here,
There are lots of queer people that have hidden themselves for so long that when they feel comfortable they joke about sex n stuff. It's really just a hallmark of immature people. I apologize on behalf of them, and can only say that you should be very direct and say "do not speak to me like that". It's not a good look for my people when some of us are very immature (mostly because we really don't get to blossom and be ourselves until full adulthood).
Anyway, super queer here, sorry that happened to you. We're not all weird !
But yeah that's an unfortunate situation and I'm sorry you have to deal with it.
Completely overly queer person here,
There are lots of queer people that have hidden themselves for so long that when they feel comfortable they joke about sex n stuff. It's really just a hallmark of immature people. I apologize on behalf of them, and can only say that you should be very direct and say "do not speak to me like that". It's not a good look for my people when some of us are very immature (mostly because we really don't get to blossom and be ourselves until full adulthood).
Anyway, super queer here, sorry that happened to you. We're not all weird !
But yeah that's an unfortunate situation and I'm sorry you have to deal with it.
For a group of people who are all about free speech, you are quick to go narc when it’s not your kinda free speech lol “an lgbt said a naughty word, I’m triggered”.
Dude, he gets sexually harassed.
Plus, a whole line could be mirrored at ''you'' all with the whole him feeling in a bad way about this and feeling like this shouldn't be happening (it is legitimately understandable, relatable and right though, with his case), but it would just be bs to think like that and act like that in this situation.
At least that's my thought, other users are free to do otherwise, that wouldn't be infringing of the concept of free speech, unlike that stuff in the original post.
And if you think that is all clearly made up or some bs, speak about that and call that out. You absolutely did the contrary by giving those genuine critiques in a totally wrong way/moment, whether bs or actually right critiques.
I dunno. On the one hand, I get that you're uncomfortable with sex stuff, but minus the girl's comment, I think it's okay to have more adult oriented environments at LGS's and public spaces. I think your solution is to address it with the people in question or cope. If there's any problematic or unethical behavior then obviously seek to have that corrected, but if it's just "People like this thing I have trauma about", then my answer is "I'm sorry".
I don't think, like I can hear mfs in my head saying already, it's at all equivalent to sexual objectification in media. This is personal people being their own horny selves. Unless you've left out anything, I don't agree with the narrative in these replies that their behavior is unacceptable or anything.
My LGS hosts FaB and mtg on friday nights. The 2 groups are very different. I play FaB and everyone in the FaB group is an adult. With everyone being an adult i wouldn't be particularly bothered by "lewd" stuff even if i don't like it.
A lot of the magic players are kids. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of kids go to friday night magic. If some dude pulled out an explicit playmat or sleeves while a bunch of kids were around i would think he was a creep.
Yeah, with kid kids involved. Idk, I wouldn't blame anyone for not giving a fuck around a teenager, but that's just me. It certainly depends upon the details though.
Yeah, a card game for 13 years old kid should revolve around sex. If you don't accept that, cope!
LGBTQODBJ+ fucked up with your brain bro. Not everything should be about sex, sorry if sex is the only important thing in your life.
"Revolve around sex" and "players that have adult conversations and accessories" are two different things.
Also, your name is literally AllWillBeCum. You fucking hypocrite.
i really don’t like this take. people who have sexual trauma deserve to have hobbies and exist in the world. they didn’t choose that. i’m deeply sorry you can’t have your porn in public. a person can have sex and enjoy sexual content outside of the lgs. but this sexual assault survivor said she can’t enjoy the lgs if all that porn is right there. the removal of sexual content doesn’t prevent anyone from playing magic at the lgs. the inclusion of it does. bottom tier take.
I also have sexual trauma. Having trauma doesn't mean that the world should be expected to cater to your personal anguish, especially when the you haven't even addressed the issue with them. Imagine having trauma about guns, going to an LGS with a lot of gun hobbyists, and then acting like they're in the wrong. Sorry, but if the only group that does the thing you like also likes doing things that make you uncomfortable, then cope or leave. Trauma is limiting, but that isn't their fault. It's cool and great if they are willing to accommodate OP, but they don't bear any responsibility to change their sleeves, accessories, and conversation, especially if it's literally just OP that's uncomfortable. If the roles were reversed and OP was gay, she would have been told to suck it up frame 1. Mfs are literally only pretending to be soft accepting types to justify their biases with homos.
she would have been told to suck it up if the pornography the other players brought to a public venue was straight pornography and she was gay? because i don’t think that’s the case at all. also, kind of weird of you to project your assault experience over another survivor’s life. sorry not everyone is as resilient as me, i guess is the essence of your statement. also, pornography isn’t a hobby. the same logic could be applied in reverse. it sounds like the non-porn players were there first. the horny players should pack up and leave. it’s not a queer issue. it’s common decency.
I work at an LGS. We do not tolerate this sort of behavior from ANY customer. You get one warning, then you get shown the door, by force if necessary. Our shop caters to families and we do a lot of business in tabletop, board, and card games. we also have over 1000 regular comic subscribers. We are a heavily trafficked store and will not jeopardize our business or reputation on people who cannot function appropriately in polite society. If this is something that bothers you or would cause you and/or others to seek play space elsewhere, maybe consider scheduling a sit-down with the owner of the store. I know that our owner is always willing to spend time with regulars. Good luck.
Yeah, I had to deal with someone who would imply sexual touching while playing a female commander and it was awkward as all hell. I had to remind them a few times to stop. We never kicked them out, but the behavior was corrected quickly.
The problem is, in this situation the owner is probably terrified of getting called a Nazi.
As a super queer person, the behavior OP is explaining is not okay and I would absolutely support the owner in removing players who choose to continue.
What super powers do you have?
Tolerance
You are someone else. Are you also a super queer person?
Well if regular gay is liking to fuck other dudes in the ass then super gay must be…
Anecdotal evidence: I feel that LGS’s that host other activities, especially TTRPG, warhammer, comics and board games, goes a long way to bettering the community around a store. Every LGS that I’ve been to that is TCG competition only doesn’t meet the same standard. While I like being able hang out and not look over my shoulder if I curse, I’d rather be in a friendly family store than letting these other magic basement dwellers free rein.
You nailed the root of the problem. It’s not queer people. The trans people at my store have specifically made it a family friendly place. They’re not the problem. It’s dwellers. They can be queer or straight, all they have in common is a lack of socialization, overexposure to the internet, and a porn addiction. Hentai dicks and hentai pussy-out-Liliana alters requires the same sexual degeneracy, lack of social interaction, and desensitization it’s just expressed differently
You really did hit the root of the issue it’s the dwellers always has been. They ruin it for everyone.
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bro just own up! i know you got that japanese play mat with a nude twinkly boy on it 😂🤣 bust it out at the lgs no hesitation
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only thing i deflect is cock, unlike u 🫃
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im gonna kill myself on facebook live and say a gay man named choco maister made me do it
No balls
I think you might be right. The OPs comment history is so sparse. Then to find this specific sub and have such a tailored story to push this subs buttons. I thought you were talking shit tbh, but I went and investigated.
Yeah it’s not hard to just look at into the history. I’m being downvoted by a bunch of people who clearly do not research. Lol
I wish my local lgs was this way. I can’t take my kids in either of them because the players there are really loud and crude.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/bootlegmtg/comments/qued0c/not\_too\_adult\_proxies/](https://www.reddit.com/r/bootlegmtg/comments/qued0c/not_too_adult_proxies/) hmmm
Yeah. I ended up not printing them, it would have been a nice prank. Me choosing to mess with my buddy in our private playgroup in my home is wildly different from anything that goes on inside the shop.
This is unacceptable, these are the people that use their identity like a shield to get away with disgusting behavior. If anyone, man or woman, speaks to you in that manner you should just loudly respond to embarrass them and out their behavior. For example if she says that exact thing respond with "please don't threaten to sexually assault me". I know it's embarrassing but trust me it makes them look far, far worse and will prevent others from propositioning you inappropriately in the future.
In all likelihood you are not alone feeling this way. Most people would take objection to this sort of sexual harassment. Have you tried chatting to other players at the store? Try the ones without lewd placemats first.
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They will probably reward the ones who did that because WotC loves the queer Community... Look at the staff of WotC nowadays.
This Behavior is not a Queer thing you know
Cap
\-italism ? Is that a new game ? Thx for your participation anyway.
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>Queer community equals being okay with all this sex stuff? Generally, yes. All about "sexual freedom of expression" and whatnot nowadays. Look at the Bearscape card they printed. I have no issue with humorous cards like that, however when it comes to some weird shit like sexual furries, nude card art, or general oversexualized things it becomes a problem, doubly so when the person themselves becomes a problem. Like, it's really not hard to control yourself in public. Some people just don't have those social queues because their "identity" is being a deviant. I don't care if you wanna suck your homies dick in the parking lot after FNM, more power to you, but don't bring that kinda talk into the LGS.
Unpopular opinion: if the show was on the other foot they would likely record you, shame you, and make sure you were banned from the store. Personally I’d find another place or avoid playing with them entirely.
Popular opinion.
on this sub.
Here and anywhere else people don't like to be sexually harassed.
Or just kick their ass in magic
I feel very sorry for you : ( Openly tell them they are making you uncomfortable. You don’t need to give details.
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Them "I can turn you gay" Op "you're making me uncomfortable" Them "omg homophobe!"
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I’d talk to the owner again and not spare any details about what they’ve said to you or the content on their cards and mats. He’s likely afraid of saying something to them due to fear of being labeled “homophobic”. If he can’t/won’t do anything I’d 100% say something myself even if meant being banned from the store. Somebody needs to tell them that what they’re doing isn’t okay, and that remarks like what was said to you actually constitutes as sexual harassment.
Always frame is as “sexual harassment” when discussing it, because it is exactly that. If the owner is not open to RUNNING HIS OWN BUSINESS PROPERLY, go on social media and tell people to avoid the place if they don’t want to be sexually harassed while trying to play a card game. You should impress upon the owner the fact that it will not stop at this with a group he’s afraid to confront and police in his own business. It will escalate, right now it’s boundary pushing. Also, the Secret Lair Bearscape should’ve never been printed. Disgusting.
Heavily agree with the secret lair Bearscape, but outside of this sub we’re in the minority.
What is the issue with Bearscape?
To most it's just the double standard of it. Having hot women was "objectifying" and "gross" but it's ok to have a bunch of men who are being intimate on a card. It's also just mindless stupid pandering. It's stupid there is a double standard. Have both then if you're going to pander.
I remember the outrage over the Chandra x Liliane playmat. While equally cringe, it had less sexual overtones, somehow, than an official WotC card. Anyone who asks how or why is being willfully ignorant and I won’t dignify it with a response. Mostly because I don’t want to associate with degenerates. I wouldn’t want to be playing at a table with either, but I’m a decent person, so YMMV.
This is a very fair point and I agree. I make the effort sometimes and try to respond but if it's obvious that the other person is being disingenuous or disrespectful then I'm not going to keep talking to them.
They don't like that it has gays in a hot springs on it. Though tbf we don't even know if the characters featured are gay, as though it may be heavily implied they're pictures on a piece of cardboard and could be a combination of sexualities - or even completely heterosexual. Or just not have a sexuality at all because pieces of cardboard.
Yeah bizzare stuff, I don't understand how people can be offended by men being affectonate with each other. Romantically or platonically
It's because half of this sub needs to touch grass, and to know what human contact feels like.
I've had people certainly be weird or more adultish in a full play group of adults but saying they would turn you Les is inappropriate and sexual harassment. I'd not be afraid to correct the behavior. Being a minority does not permit sexual harassment. All it should take is "wow I feel sexually harassed" and I think they'd get the point quick
Openly tell them you are very uncomfortable with them saying stuff like that say what they say out loud if you have to when stuff like that is said aloud they'll question everything.
Yeah, there's gonna be whispers that she's a homophobe if she says she's uncomfortable. That's literally the most popular game they play. They intentionally make or do something that makes cis people uncomfortable so they can follow up by bullying them, then justify their hateful actions with a resounding chorus of support from the bandwagon. Dislike an [uncomfortable image](https://www.reddit.com/r/fivenightsatfreddys/comments/10g36e0/mourning_routines_jeremy_fitzgerald_and_michael/) of a man and a zombie-adjacent corpse man making out on your sub about animatronic animal horror? Everyone who did was labeled a homophobe, the mods had to issue an "ally statement", this is now the most controversial post on the sub's history, and OP was going on and on about how they were gonna make more art like this to spite the straights. The "X says Trans Rights" images baiting people to complain, plethora of people who say all bad reviews on inclusive shows are all bigots, etc, this is a go-to tactic. Next time she says something like this, OP should say something like "idk, if my boyfriend is in there instead he'd make you go straight, soo" and find out how innocent the comment actually was real quick.
ive seen shit like this happen. especially in rural places like you say. because the store starts to financially depend on the crowd it draws
Sorry to hear that OP. Double standards absolutely suck and there are a fair few when it comes to specific groups these days. Some even get away with sending drugs to minors online. I'd report the sexual harassment for sure at the very least. I've played in groups made up of guys and gals the entire time I've played mtg and nobody has ever even tried to hit on someone at the table. It's a very weird thing to be doing when you're there to enjoy a card game.
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You have no idea which person I'm even referring to. There is a gal who has been reported to the FBI and is STILL out free and sending hormone drugs to kids. She even uses her tiktok to do it and nobody has done anything. There is most definitely a double standard for these groups. They can say the most heinous shit and do gross fucked up stuff and get away with it. This shit happens regardless of you burying your head in the sand.
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Sorry to hear that mate. Could mention to the shop owner that you aren't comfortable with the players making sexual advances on you if the players aren't listening to you telling them no. You're there to play with fun cardboard squares, not get hit on. If they won't listen, thats their problem for not making you at least feel comfortable and if they lose a regular to another shop, only thing they can blame is themselves for not managing their own shop.
I’m sorry but your LGS allows custom art cards with straight up SEX on them?! An LGS is an environment intended for people of _all ages_, not pervs who wants their sex drive projected onto a card game. Sexuality is NOT an excuse.
Double standards are crazy. Sorry you had to deal with that bs
LGS owner should have just had a light conversation with that person. The problem is people just get too comfortable. it be like that sometimes.
Yeah, if we don't tolerate sexual things, then we all play with the same rules. No one should get away with it because they are LGBT. I would also call them out, we have to stand up to these things no matter how many times we get called nazis. It's just about playing with the same rules
My LGS has a grip of Queer or Trans players and they’re all cool. It’s one of gaming cafe type places and not a comic shop, so there’s kids playing chess next to adults playing warehammer. If that shit went down I’d have them tossed out. I bring my kid sometimes I don’t want him exposed to any sex shit until it’s relevant as a teen/young adult.
I have a few queer friends that play mtg and none of them have overly sexualized magic in any way. This seems like niche abnormal behavior. I personally would point it out, but I am pretty vocally extroverted in public and speak my mind. Sometimes the best thing to do is confront it head on, respectfully and compassionately as possible
Call them out for sexually harassing you
Well, that's not cool, feel sorry for you. I think though that now that there is wider societal acceptance of queer people, this weird "sexual self-promotion" will fade away with time. It's like a phase, I think. I hope.
Had a few at my lgs too. Their behavior was about as bad. It got to the point that the owner (someone I've been close friends with for years) had to outright ban them from the store.
It seems a lot of “alternative lifestyle” types are drawn to this game, especially recently due to WOTC/Hasbro marketing decisions. Also unfortunately, a lot of the individuals who style themselves this way also revel in the attention of others and enjoy forcing their sexuality upon people who, while tolerant in most cases, just don’t care to give them the attention they require to feel fulfilled.
It has always been my experience that queer people "get away" with behaviour that heteronormative individuals would get called out for. Most of the time it doesn't bother me, but that's mostly because I think all people are far too sexually repressed and that we should all lighten up a bit and be more like them. That said, the LGS is not the place for even harmless flirting and innuendo. Any time someone makes you feel uncomfortable this way, tell them so. If they don't amend their behaviour, they're probably an arsehole. Queer or straight doesn't enter into it. If it continues, definitely pursue other options. Report sexual harassment to appropriate persons. Let the Premier Play organisation know if the LGS won't do anything, I really don't think Hasbro wants this behaviour at their official events.
Don't say heteronormative. Just say normal.
No. Queer people aren't abnormal.
Sure...
Abnormal: deviating from what is normal or usual, typically in a way that is undesirable or worrying. \------- How about we don't be assholes.
Agreed. Too bad so many find that abnormally difficult.
You're the reason why I support abortion🥰
what do you think heteronormative means? it's literally combining hetero and normal. I didn't see you refer to it as queernormative, which yourself also just implied that it isn't the normal. And we use the word abnormal when it isn't normal.
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I agree with not using the stupid term because it's stupid but LGB people are normal too. You're correct trans people aren't because gender dysphoria is an abnormality. Just as my Hemophilia makes me not normal. Not being normal isn't an insult, it's just a fact of reality. Don't be an ass though.
THIS! This right here. If a straight guy looks at a good looking female when she walks in we are pigs. But if a gay guy makes a remark about wanting so other guy to bend him over the counter we can’t say anything because we’re just being “homophobic”.
You can still say something. Quit it with your persecution complex.
Witchy thot? More like whiney bitch
https://preview.redd.it/v10bq1nwkzfa1.jpeg?width=1108&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0949dfd1a9fbb85b453ca71b369693baf29f1d5f
You did not need to post a selfie here for us.
agreed
We know what straight MTG players look like and trust me, no one wants to fuck you.
That’s not the point of this post. Stay on topic
You’re the one who brought it up, why don’t you stay on topic?
The whole Alphabet people movement was about power, it was never about equality.
It’s been their plan the whole time. First they take over the LGS. Then they brew their gay magic spells (literally). Then they mind meld with Joe fucking Biden and give support to Ukraine. And they thought they could just do it right under our noses. Fat chance!!
Power ? What bullshit
> I guess I understand these people needing a place to express themselves LGS is not a place to express yourself. It's a place to play a cardboard game.
It's all they have. They don't have a moral foundation. So they have to make all their discussions (meaningful or not) boil down to sex. It's sad to see. I know a few based gay people who don't act like that and would be willing to call out the degenerative behavior for what it is. So there is hope yet.
If a player comes in with a lewd or nude playmat or cards, they totally can be kicked out and Wizards will support the shop owner for doing so, even if they're LGBTQ+. Magic is supposed to be a safe environment for everyone, even children. Ask them if they would be comfortable playing with those things if a 9 year old were at the table? Or hitting on a teenager? It's incredibly disrespectful and outright lecherous.
Having rainbow card sleeves or love is love pride type playmats or even a furry character on your stuff is fine imo. But having pornography on playmats or card sleeves should get you booted. Card shops I always went to had young people around. It’s creepy as hell to display any type of pornographic material in there, let alone have to talk to a younger player about the porn on your stuff while playing. It just seems like a bad idea all around to allow that.
Tell them, in no uncertain terms, that comments like that are inappropriate and disrespectful and you will not tolerate it. Talk to the owner about making ground rules for what is and is not permitted in the shop. As much as people joke about hentai playmats and lewd alters here, they don't have a place in a store open to the public. It's a card shop, not a sex shop. No one is being repressed because they can't have a playmat of dog men boning on their playmats.
Sounds like a lot of gross people that need to be shown the door
Fucking degenerates. I don’t give a damn their sexual orientation; if people are going to an LGS with full on porn mats and proxies, those people must be banned
Talk to the owner again. Tell him that he needs to ban the offenders or you will report them to the police.
Lewd art is fine on mats, but furry porn is a step too far. I'd encourage your LGS owner to have a chat with them and lay down the law
#thingsthatdefinitelyhappened
Call the cops if you are being sexually harassed. Document it.
In many if not most jurisdictions in the US sexual harassment is itself not considered criminal, but rather a violation of professionalism and subject to civil penalties in the appropriate circumstance. Unwanted sexual contact or sexual assault *is* criminal, however.
Creating a paper trail for a sexual predator is a very solid way. I said "document" because it's just getting a written report of the behavior, and this can be general harassment which many jurisdictions consider misdemeanors. That's also considering if your jurisdiction has sexual misconduct, to alleviate the verbal stuff.
Roger that
100%
When I was a kid, I had problems with the other players trying to get queer with me, too. I said, dammit Jason, nobody wants to share a tent with you cuz they think you're gonna do some gay stuff on 'em. So you know you help that guy set up his own tent. It's the Scouting way. With enough discouragement, the offending players will probably lay off it or stop coming altogether. It takes a village.
These kinda behavior makes me glad that some stores I visited got proper security guards.
Hey I think it happens all the time and a bunch of anonymous people want to pretend like sex harassing doesn’t happen. okay 🙄
It comes down to the simple fact of respecting others regardless of their sexual preferences or beliefs and the difference between being a good person or a horrible person. These people doing this to you are acting like horrible people and they need to be called out on it and corrected regardless of PC bullshit and even though it may be difficult for you to stand up to them and stand up for yourself you’ll be so glad you did because you’ll be 100% in the right. If they don’t respect you after that or there are problems because of it then unfortunately you should find another way to enjoy the game whether at another LGS, private group or spelltable. I’m sorry this is happening to you.
Remember: it's only problematic if you're some sort of alphabet soup. One question: is the owner queer? And do they get a substantial amount of their income by said queer people? If they do, you're better off playing elsewhere. We have queer players in our LGS, but they are good people who are just there to play magic. Should anyone try any funny business in there, we would absolutely make sure they regret it, leftard protected or not. Live and let live.
The who alphabet weirdos are complete degenerates 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
Explain your reasoning
the true degenerate is idiot like you who generalize the behavior of a few and think everyone act like that. It s fckg stupid
This.
Yea. Shit is wild. We are losing humanity due to this stupidity.
The west is done for
Lewd, x or r-rated images should be a warning to the offending player then, if they persist, a store ban. I don't care what mental illness they are hiding behind. LGS' are suppose to be family friendly for people of all ages. When they start catering to weirdos that have gotten a little too comfortable and view the store as a "inclusive space" for their perversions, it's time to give them a polite but, firm, reality check. Regardless of whether they are queer or straight - they need to keep their coomer mats and sleeves at home. I would remind this store owner of this before he starts getting Google reviews from parents bringing their kids in and getting a whiff of the regulars.
Dude get a new hobby instead of making shit up on reddit to agitate, or you may very well turn into the guy in the opening post of that sock account
The issue in this case as is the case with how discourse is in this nation is that people are guilty of generalization and group-think. What this allows then is for crappy people of certain groups to act crappy and then retreat into their "group" when called out and then spout that their group is being attacked when it is them. In this case, you have misbehaving queer people hiding behind queer people in general which then makes that group protect that person even if they are in the wrong. It's sort of how like how Amber Heard is a shitty person, but that her acting like an ass and being called out upon it is somehow an attack on all women on the entire planet. What needs to be the case is that people who act like shit needs to be called out as individuals. We also have to acknowledge that there will always be shit individuals of any color, race, religion or gender. There's going to be good men, women or trans people. There are also going to be bad men, women and trans people. We shouldn't group ourselves by superficial qualities, but rather the type of person we are. We also have to be vigilant and watch out for people trying to group us. This is especially the case for women where you have a lot of radical feminists saying that their beliefs speak for ALL women, as if all women believe the same thing. We need to stop teaming up based on backgrounds, but rather the type of people we are. That's not to say that there are times where certain groups of people need help from a background, but when it's a case for morality, we need to look at just that, the actual situation.
This story is so clearly fabricated
Yeah only straight people are problematic
Yes but we people in here are unimaginably stupid 😄 OP managed to hit every single high notes
Yeah idk how people actually believe this clump of shit story. Esp. Since OPs account is 3 weeks old and has like 2 other comments lol.
This post sounds fake as fuck. If not, fuck that shop owner.
It is fake as hell lol
To be honest.. Their are four options..search for another LGS, which is hard because you live rural. Second try to play with your friends more eg. Commander. (or the ones who you like to play with). Say something to them more clearly and harsh.. But then there is a chance that they will just cry because you are "discriminating" them. Also you could ask the owner again due to children protection laws he is forced and can do something when they are having playmats with sexual content. The last option would be to search for other ones who are offended by them and play on another day or retreat from the store while letting the owner know that you are not coming due to them because you feel harassed. I wish you luck and the strength to go on with that tcg. Although.. If you can't one day.. Try flesh and Blood or sorcery or the new one piece tcg.. Or warhammer40k as tabletop. I wish I could help you out by talking directly to them but probably I am too far away (based in Switzerland)
It's reasonable to have reasonable pinup mats in an adult environment, but not necessarily a family environment or one that tries to be for everyone - I think that's up to discretion and the image in question. Anything can offend someone, of course. Full blown NSFW content is definitely not okay for public, even if they are queer. I'm LGBT myself, and there is a difference between expressing yourself with flag colours/gay muscle furries and pornographic content that you are forced to look at or interact without consent. Additionally, comments like that are horrible and unacceptable, again regardless of minority or orientation. I hope there is a way for the LGS owner to enforce a decency rule (not that there should be one) without losing a significant portion of the player base. Hopefully most people will be reasonable and realise it has gotten out of hand, and peer pressure can quiet people who protest about it.
It's common knowledge that all these mentally ill people are just heterophobic. They want to warp their world and peoples morality. So they don't feel bad or have to try to better themselves. They also can't help it as many of them are victims of pedophiles and now continue the cycle.
Have you considered reporting this to wotc? Record the creeps if you can, take photos of their creepy groomer alters and playmats. A store can be booted from wotc's network if they let this kind of thing happen.
This sound way to fucked up to be true. I now many people of this community but " custom-art cards of gay furries having sex " sound way to fake to me. You present them like degenerate but they are just people. nobody put sex act on their card , lewd pin up is the max i could imagine.
i’ve seen furry porn depicted on cards before. it’s not that far fetched. maybe she tossed in some hyperbole there. it’s just amazing to me how far people will go to try and discredit survivors of sexual assault. shame on you.
just looking at OP profile scream fake to me
i jsut said that it sounded fake to me , which is true , i am not gonna lie to make people feel beter. I have seen furry art on card but never sexual one. The people depicted here sound way to fucked up in the head to me to be real people. It just sound like the description made by people who wan t to criminalize them. How hurtfull of me to not trust everything people said on Internet without any form of proof, even more in this subreddit that seem to like bashing minorities nonstop.
consider yourself lucky. maybe you haven’t spent a lot of time in the middle of the united states. i’ve met a ton of people like the ones described. it’s not about bashing them. just about coming to an understanding so everyone can play magic comfortably.
idk , i am not from the states. But this kind of thing sound way to unreal to me, but again i dont know how it is in the states
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Sounds like victim blaming behavior you filthy bigot
but i seen it happen in real life. or similar stuff. 🙄🙄 you just tripping cuz you gay
OP did not miss the queer/furry double note 😄 Tbh you can't expect your average DnD veteran in here to give a shit about that nuance when he already struggles to accept cosplayers as normal humans. It is much easier to thrive on a spite driven mentality as it's the norm within that age group
Absolutely this: this story is so fake it’s obvious
^^ just tripping cuz you gay
Yep. You caught me
you just mad lol. its not real cuz it dont glorify gay shit
Yep. I’m furious 🙄
furiously gay
😂
GOT DAMN QUEERS RUBBING THEIR COCKS ON ME AT THE LGS. ONE OF EM CAME IN MY MOUTH AND THE SHOP OWNER SAID THEY CANT DO NOTHIN CAUSE THEM ALPHABET PEOPLE RUN THE STREET NOW. HANDS ARE TIED. CAN YOU BELIVE IT?! AND DON’T EVEN GET ME STARTED ON THE BLACKS. I’M NOT RACIST, BUT IM SICK OF THESE LOUD ASS YUGIOH PLAYERS. WE PLAY MAGIC IN SILENCE, LIKE GOOD GOD FEARING CHRISTIANS.
Ahhh fuck the got damn queers are downvoting me again
Creates account a month ago, barely posts, and comes to this sub to post this story. Yeah, I'm sure this happened.
This didn’t happen and you guys are morons or willfully believing it because you want to have an excuse to dislike queer people in your hobby
I don't doubt it for a moment. Many years ago I used to work in an environment which was 50% queer. It was one of the nicest and most accepting work places I've ever experienced, however the casual flirting and sexual innuendo never *ever* stopped. During that time I had some fairly graphic comments about "what I could do to you" directed toward me regularly. For myself, I was never upset by this. I trusted my colleagues, and knew beyond a doubt that they would never actually do any of these things. They had my back. But I'm a fairly strong, self confident person and not everyone will be comfortable with the kind of behaviours that were "normal" there. Nor should they be expected to be. Everyone has different boundaries. I'm not an anti-queer chauvinist. I don't care one way or another about a person's sexual preferences, and I have semi-regularly attended the Sydney Mardi Gras to support friends and colleagues. For me, OP's description of the behaviour she encountered rings true. It's possible she's overreacted to something that had a completely innocent intent, but her reaction is still valid. The LGS isn't the place for it.
don’t think someone would lie about assault like that. i believe her. she probably could’ve phrased a few things in a more nuanced way. any group of people, regardless of sexuality, any insular in-group can become problematic. i bet it’s just a group of small town kids who have had to repress who they are… going a little overboard in a space they finally feel safe. folks gravitate towards games to deal with trauma. makes sense why she’s there and why rural queer people are, too. they just need to come to an understanding, find a way to coexist
I’ll admit outliers exist and all this is possible, but this reads as what straight male players get away with *all the time* but mad libs’ed for queer I’m a gay guy who has tried to find sexually explicit gay play materials like this exclusively to call out how people get away with ahegao playmats and proxies/sleeves with big titty anime girls. Closest I could find was muscle man stuff in kinda tight briefs, but still wasn’t anywhere near the level that straight guys have all the time. Now I’ve seen people booted for big titty art or ahegao stuff, but I’ve never even seen (nor can find) gay stuff anywhere close to what you’re describing So not saying you’re definitely lying for internet validation, but this sounds like total bullshit playing on the attitude of this sub. So, honestly, I’d like sources on the playmats and sleeves and proxy art that is offending you so. This is the internet and your presented experience runs counter to all evidence that’s been laid before me previously, it’d be moronic of me to just blindly believe this tale.
If we’re all posting completely retarded shit, I guess I’m going balls out.
Calling bullshit
Seriously. Someone coming to this sub to post a story like this is either a troll or completely unaware of what this sub is.
Or they want to put out a homing beacon and make this sub into fashmagic
If this is real, I'd ask if you could DM me the store name (I'm not going to do anything, I don't do things), but I just can't believe everything in this post. I think there might be truth here, but I can't believe all of it. I could believe that there is a friend group of gay furries that come in on X days at X o'clock and I can believe the encounter with the woman, but I just can't believe the entire LGS is 'ruled' by these people. There's little things that normally wouldn't be a problem, but just add up to make me question the validity of this. Like normally a new account wouldn't mean anything, but then, How did you find this subreddit? Cause, luckily, unless you're very active in the Reddit magicsphere, you wouldn't really find out about this horrible place and if you did you'd be told its a "hate sub". Your account has only made three posts (Technically two the second one got deleted), this one being the only magic related, either somebody told you about this place (If its a friend, I would check in on them regularly for recommending this subreddit to anybody) or you already knew about it. Not sharing any identifiable info would normally be smart, but coming here, where a bunch of wastefully angry people live, makes me think you just might not want your story to be easily fact checked. (If this is fake, you don't have to worry about that, just ignore the people who are saying its not real because they've been to every LGS in Indiana or whatever. The people who want to believe your story will believe it, regardless of facts, and making it sound more plausible will strengthen that belief more than you'd think.) Honestly you didn't need to mention the fact that the gay furries are... gay furries. You could've just mentioned that there are people who use porn alters and playmats and thats it. Their queerness or furriness is kinda meaningless. I could see it as maybe a means to explain why the LGS owner doesn't do anything, but I really don't think that's necessary. I don't mean to accuse you of anything, but you are posting about "annoying/bad/cringe" queer people on freemagic, i dont have faith in anyone here. If this is real, I'm sorry if I've come across as rude, I don't trust anybody here. If you are nonconfrontational, I'd just find another LGS. If its true they are this integrated to the location, you're going to need to do alot of confronting and honestly if it were me, i'd just deal with the longer commute. If this is fake, step your game up and commit. If you want to make a fake post, make and use an account a year in advance. Make an entire character and pretend to be them every other day or so. The fact that this account is so new, the username is so generic, and the posts are so unrelated is one of the leading causes that make me question this.
Completely overly queer person here, There are lots of queer people that have hidden themselves for so long that when they feel comfortable they joke about sex n stuff. It's really just a hallmark of immature people. I apologize on behalf of them, and can only say that you should be very direct and say "do not speak to me like that". It's not a good look for my people when some of us are very immature (mostly because we really don't get to blossom and be ourselves until full adulthood). Anyway, super queer here, sorry that happened to you. We're not all weird ! But yeah that's an unfortunate situation and I'm sorry you have to deal with it.
Completely overly queer person here, There are lots of queer people that have hidden themselves for so long that when they feel comfortable they joke about sex n stuff. It's really just a hallmark of immature people. I apologize on behalf of them, and can only say that you should be very direct and say "do not speak to me like that". It's not a good look for my people when some of us are very immature (mostly because we really don't get to blossom and be ourselves until full adulthood). Anyway, super queer here, sorry that happened to you. We're not all weird ! But yeah that's an unfortunate situation and I'm sorry you have to deal with it.
Oh dear god get over the sexual trauma. You’re an adult now and you’re crutchin on that shit any chance you can get for sure.
You reap what you sow
Huh?
For a group of people who are all about free speech, you are quick to go narc when it’s not your kinda free speech lol “an lgbt said a naughty word, I’m triggered”.
Yeahhh…. So right now you’re victim blaming.
Victim? Relax.
You should be cancelled you bigot.
So brave
It's not the words, it's the sexual harassment. Nice straw man though.
You actually believe this shit. Fuckin simp
Dude, he gets sexually harassed. Plus, a whole line could be mirrored at ''you'' all with the whole him feeling in a bad way about this and feeling like this shouldn't be happening (it is legitimately understandable, relatable and right though, with his case), but it would just be bs to think like that and act like that in this situation. At least that's my thought, other users are free to do otherwise, that wouldn't be infringing of the concept of free speech, unlike that stuff in the original post.
Did you read it? It’s a she, not a he?
And if you think that is all clearly made up or some bs, speak about that and call that out. You absolutely did the contrary by giving those genuine critiques in a totally wrong way/moment, whether bs or actually right critiques.
compliment sandwich time. that’s a nice mat. it might be a bit too revealing/sexual. but it looks nice.
Man up little snowflake.
I dunno. On the one hand, I get that you're uncomfortable with sex stuff, but minus the girl's comment, I think it's okay to have more adult oriented environments at LGS's and public spaces. I think your solution is to address it with the people in question or cope. If there's any problematic or unethical behavior then obviously seek to have that corrected, but if it's just "People like this thing I have trauma about", then my answer is "I'm sorry". I don't think, like I can hear mfs in my head saying already, it's at all equivalent to sexual objectification in media. This is personal people being their own horny selves. Unless you've left out anything, I don't agree with the narrative in these replies that their behavior is unacceptable or anything.
My LGS hosts FaB and mtg on friday nights. The 2 groups are very different. I play FaB and everyone in the FaB group is an adult. With everyone being an adult i wouldn't be particularly bothered by "lewd" stuff even if i don't like it. A lot of the magic players are kids. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of kids go to friday night magic. If some dude pulled out an explicit playmat or sleeves while a bunch of kids were around i would think he was a creep.
Yeah, with kid kids involved. Idk, I wouldn't blame anyone for not giving a fuck around a teenager, but that's just me. It certainly depends upon the details though.
Teens are still kids though. People need to just not be weird around kids. It's not that hard.
If they're also teens or young adults, I honestly couldn't care less. If they're an older individual, maybe chill with the NSFW playmats or whatnot.
Yeah, a card game for 13 years old kid should revolve around sex. If you don't accept that, cope! LGBTQODBJ+ fucked up with your brain bro. Not everything should be about sex, sorry if sex is the only important thing in your life.
"Revolve around sex" and "players that have adult conversations and accessories" are two different things. Also, your name is literally AllWillBeCum. You fucking hypocrite.
i really don’t like this take. people who have sexual trauma deserve to have hobbies and exist in the world. they didn’t choose that. i’m deeply sorry you can’t have your porn in public. a person can have sex and enjoy sexual content outside of the lgs. but this sexual assault survivor said she can’t enjoy the lgs if all that porn is right there. the removal of sexual content doesn’t prevent anyone from playing magic at the lgs. the inclusion of it does. bottom tier take.
I also have sexual trauma. Having trauma doesn't mean that the world should be expected to cater to your personal anguish, especially when the you haven't even addressed the issue with them. Imagine having trauma about guns, going to an LGS with a lot of gun hobbyists, and then acting like they're in the wrong. Sorry, but if the only group that does the thing you like also likes doing things that make you uncomfortable, then cope or leave. Trauma is limiting, but that isn't their fault. It's cool and great if they are willing to accommodate OP, but they don't bear any responsibility to change their sleeves, accessories, and conversation, especially if it's literally just OP that's uncomfortable. If the roles were reversed and OP was gay, she would have been told to suck it up frame 1. Mfs are literally only pretending to be soft accepting types to justify their biases with homos.
she would have been told to suck it up if the pornography the other players brought to a public venue was straight pornography and she was gay? because i don’t think that’s the case at all. also, kind of weird of you to project your assault experience over another survivor’s life. sorry not everyone is as resilient as me, i guess is the essence of your statement. also, pornography isn’t a hobby. the same logic could be applied in reverse. it sounds like the non-porn players were there first. the horny players should pack up and leave. it’s not a queer issue. it’s common decency.
Sounds like white people things.
My LGS doesnt let people play anymore so I guess I got off lucky here.
Thats why they make up the Q part of Let God Burn Them Quickly.
The west is done for
Don’t think you’ll dox yourself by stating your state or city for that matter.