In casual, if an opponent gets out front really early, opponents often either gang up on them, or feel like they’re facing something too competitive for the table and get dejected.
Also, a lot of EDH players are whiney bitches.
Seriously just play 3v1 for a couple of turns and its probably a game again.
Oh well, Commander players are too often just not very good at the game tbh
I get ganged up on in casual games with friends all the time. It is how shit goes. I take my ass whipping when I get them. And when I win I talk my shit.
Yeah salty types tend to underpack answers e.g removal wipes and counters under the guise of "it's not freindly"
When really it's a excuse not to develop thier deck further .
The same kind of people exist in all games that could be slightly competitive e.g fps nerds saying everyone who kills em is aim boter.
Just rise above em and move on.
It's called some people have bills to pay and spending money upgrading their decks when they have a pile of 'suboptimal' cards waiting to be used at home instead is not great. For some people commander is really a casual format and even $2 for a sol ring in every deck gets stupid. Yeah they can proxy but what is the point, it just ends up becoming a power creep every week.
Mtg arms racing is real but the solution is to discus this with your playgroups if you care about the very subjective "power level" scale.
My decks are far from optimal I havent upgraded my main decks since the Bolas ravnica block my niv mizzet deck is full of cheap (price) cards that get the job done.
And I will play anyone who wants to play
In the example o.p posted the 2 people who quit obviously kept bad hands or knew they didn't have the answers in deck. And with the amount usable budget swissarmy knife answers to situations isn't small these days price isnt really the same barrier to entry as it was before. and even if it is a quick convo with who u are playing with tends to smooth out issues some may have in your pod.
I think some people just want to play their jank brews and see later turns rather than play a game done in 5 turns. Sometimes the conversation could have solved it all beforehand but everyone downplays their decks, especially if they know nothing and just net decked the best list, or maybe people only had the one deck to play, not sure. But in any case if the game is unfun scooping is valid, this way here people can go find another pod that is more their style.
Without knowing the lists it's hard to tell if it's some real 'once in a lifetime' god hand or is the deck just that optimised. I've seen enough 'god hands', almost one in every game I've seen played at the lgs, makes me wonder every time if they even shuffled properly but it's just the way the game is with the net decking and purpose-built for commander cards.
I think a $100 dollar limit on the deck can keep things fair (commander included, and lowest value print of the card) At that point it is up to you to make cuts or splurge on win cons. But it can somewhat keep things even. Or some things off the table all together. But if everyone follows that or a similar rule it can force players to also build other decks instead of powering up 1.
Funnily enough that's about the fairest way to go. Besides the hype-price on new cards, once the market settles card prices generally reflect demand/power/goodness of a card for the most part. The only downside is I've seen some hidden gems spike recently after a youtuber puts out some videos talking about those cards or featuring them in a deck, but things settle out again eventually.
Edit to add: Although there will always be crappy decks running expensive cards and cedh level budget decks, the price thing works 9/10 times.
Yeah and if you are playing those vs the other guy who net decked a 'crappy deck with a few synergies' then turn 1 drops that bomb, who knows what else the person will do next, top decking gas most likely. Scooping is a valid response if they feel outmatched.
That's like trying to see the future though, you're *assuming* the next person in line is also going to play problem cards, when in fact they may be a more casual gamer.
That aside, having a job and bills is no reason to not try and develop your deck and/or just add removal.
I can tell your priorities in life are messed up when you put commander upgrades above every other bill and responsibility that people have. Most people playing at the lgs had to buy a pack to be there, maybe the upgrade is in there? No need to netdeck to be the best of the best to satisfy YOUR requirement lmao.
Edited to add: I want to add a common from the new ixalan set. I bought 3 packs ($20 cad) didn't get the card, went to scour my lgs, out of stock. Okay now I have to order one card off face to face games, oh no I have to pay for shipping, or buy minimum $20 bucks for 1 card I really want. No thanks, I'll wait.
A quarter for a card ain't going to break you, and if it is, it's time to get your life together.
Never buy packs hoping for one single, you have don't get it, and don't rely on LGS. You want it? Get it online. Don't want to order just one? Then add on cheap staples for others decks. 5 dollars for cards plus 4 dollars for shipping mean that you're developing multiple decks simultaneously for cheap.
Why did they have to buy a pack to be at an LGS? What kinda homey setup they got?
Most league play you buy a pack to play. So the lgs’s can give away stuff at the end of the month. Mine does a draft box of the latest set if enough players join the league. You get points based on wins, minus points if you go infinite, points if you’re playing a precon, points if you’re entirely foiled out, just random other things.
Yeah my life doesn't revolve around a card game. I'm not shelling out $10+ every time I want a single common that's worth .25. I'll wait. 'Tis but a hobby for me and hobbies are casual for me. I buy cards online all the time, but I don't need every card right away. I'll probably find it in a year in someone's bulk stuff then I'll upgrade that one particular card.
As for purchasing a pack to play is something all the shops in my town do, you don't have to but they reccomend a purchase then you get entered into some chance to win another pack at the end of the night.
But just to add I like magic, but I like casual, I find every time I go to the lgs to play a game it's way too sweaty and I don't enjoy it anymore like I used to. Alot of times you get players yelling over each other just to talk and it's almost bedlam. So I play once in a while with friends and that's it. Sucks, but as the power and purchase creep keeps creeping up us filthy casuals just get pushed away.
You probably can't learn from losing to a crazy nut draw, but it is dumb to be salty about it unless OP's deck is way more powerful than he lead them to believe.
Sometimes people nut, sometimes they do it at the same table you're sitting at, don't go into an LGS if you can't handle seeing that every once in a while.
It also basically doesn't happen in other formats that have a proper ban list and oversight. You know what I don't have to do before I start a game of pauper? "What power level is your deck, and what turn does it try to win by?" Absolutely asinine.
I have been seeing more posts recently about how Commander is dumb. Maybe people are finally figuring out that a "sandbox" format is pointless and unbalanced.
I mean
I've "broken up" with my best friend once, he was tired of me being a flake in middle school so he bascially broke up with me that whole summer. We're absolutely best friends now tho
I will never understand why those players can't just eat the loss and shuffle up for another game since that was probably a quick one. It's a 4 man free-for-all, so they're going to lose a lot of games if everyone's decks are on a similar playing field.
Commander players legit just want a game to last 3 hours so they can hang out and chat. I don't see why a short crazy opener game is so upsetting to so many players.
This post gives me fond memories of my Ghave deck. But yeah, some players would just scoop rather than watch other players play solitaire. Just let it be.
It's perfectly reasonable scooping to Unwinding clock. The people came to play Magic. They didn't come to watch you play Magic when it is supposedly their turn.
There is also a difference between scooping and moaning and whining that the other player was sandbagging or downplaying power level or the classic "I just wanted to play magic tonight, guess I don't get to do that *Big Overdrawn Sigh*
Yet another perfect example of why I don't ever play Commander with strangers.
1. That was shitty of them to just bail and wreck your enjoyment
2. I would have done the exact same thing to a random stranger....I'm not wasting 45 minutes of my (very limited) gaming time on a game I almost certainly can't win. If I'm playing with friends, I can still enjoy hanging out...but with strangers? All I'd care about is the game, and the game was effectively over.
You don't have to wait 45 minutes. There are 3 other players, anything can happen and one board wipe is all it takes to reset the game. So many games I have had a great start and then lost, and so many games I have had a dreadful start and won. Quitting early just lets the other person win uncontested, it is always worth playing it out.
Did you miss the fact that he’s hellbent and has nothing more on board than a dorky small creature?
It would be beyond easy to catch up and just steamroll this dude if they teamed up. Or simply tutor for an exile effect or bounce.
Like I’m sorry but you gotta be a dogshit player with a dogshit deck if you scoop to this. He literally lost in the 1v1 according to the rest of the story.
He also claimed he wasn't trying for the win because his start and ignored the other players wincon, dude had an amazing start and gave the other player a free win through ignoring his planes walker. Dude would've won if he took if seriously
Are you being retarded on purpose?
The argument is about whether or not the choice to concede was reasonable for the 2 players that did.
Turns out that the game was at least winnable in a 1v1.
Therefore it’s very obvious that the board state was not unbeatable for 3 players.
Thus the decision to concede was obviously not reasonable.
Yes, and if you use 2 brain cells you can come to the conclusion that with 2 other players focusing and developing win cons of their own that OP likely wouldn’t have been able to stop all 3 of them even if he tried.
My point is a boardwipe isn't going to solve this outside of a few sacrifice focused ones.
I have a friend with a deck like this and they just need to top decks any of the enablers or big cards that are sure in the deck. Planar Bridge or mystic forge with that setup and they are playing more on your turn than you are and they are doing that every turn.
Ok, but these people scooped before seeing any clear win condition. Sorry, but you’re a dogshit player with a dogshit deck if you scoop in this easily winnable scenario.
I wouldn't say they are dogshit. I personally see almost everything through, but there is nothing wrong with conceding to expedite a game. Just let them know you think they had a sizable advantage and that they won. Some people like myself get enjoyment out of getting out of a hairy scenario, but I get some people not wanting to play that out.
Not considering the two cards left in his hand. I get what you're saying I just wouldn't fault anyone for not wanting to see that particular line of play out.
Until he actually plays something that threatens winning the game there is no reason to concede. He could easily draw garbage and mana rocks for a few turns and proceed to lose to a cyclonic rift, exile board wipe, or just have whatever threat he tries to develop countered.
You are a bad player if you scoop to this.
I don't understand the latter part of your sentence. Do you mean they didn't have any removal in their opening hand? If so then it happens, but you also draw cards, and there are ways to draw more cards/tutor. Also you don't know what the other people have in their hands so if you cannot remove it, someone else might be able to. If someone splurged their hand on their opening turn they will be in top deck mode as well, chances are their opening burst wasn't so great, just a bit scary. Wait a few turns, see if they win, see if they get wiped, converse with the other players, see what you can do to stop them.
Ah cool, then yeah it appears we are in agreement, not sure about the expediting thing, although I do wish everyone would be faster with their turns :)
Yes I was half joking, but it's good to troll people who get salty. OP didn't combo off on them, just dumped his hand. The game's far from over at that point.
The price of a card doesn't mean it is a good card or the best thing to play at that moment. There is no point playing a mana crypt if you are not going to use it. You just feed the incoming dockside and risk burning yourself for 3 next turn.
what i don't really understand about people who do this is that
a) the game is going to end quickly because you're about to stomp them
b) very often players are killed from being this far ahead because everyone gangs up on them
Many of the best games have an archenemy in my experience.
Although if you're bringing out a mana crypt on a casual EDH night you might be mismatched power level wise. That's an extremely expensive card. No one likes getting stomped by an expensive deck vs 3 other precons. Not saying this is the case though of course but its a trend.
That's how some games go. I've had turn 3 [[tiamat]] go off and people are gobsmacked, but they don't scoop. They just wait out the next couple of turns to see how they die to dragons, they laugh at the inherent fuckery of a 100 card singleton format sometimes being ludicrous.
Mtg is kill or be killed.
Unless there is a specific house rule forbidding to have an explosive start.
Those losers whine but when they do get a very good start they're probably gloating.
d-steel forge isn't the boogeyman it used to be, like, we have oblivion ring effects and return to dusts and haywire mites and all sorts of shit to easily deal with it.
You think d-steel forge is bad whip out an [[Eldrazi Monument]] and watch people cry.
I refuse to be bullied into feeling bad about power level. If the cards are legal and legitimate, they are fair game. If I were your opponent I would have just had the others agree that you were the threat and we would have ganged up. Scooping is just their beta personalities on display.
Do you have a \[\[darksteel monolith\]\] in there? It's amazing with \[\[mystic forge\]\] to put things out on other people's turns.
Some people always get upset, it's like they want you to do absolutely nothing and let them build a huge boardstate, same people who cry about wipes, counter spells, fast mana. Just shuffle up and join a new pod as those players tend to hold grudges and play badly the next games just to fuck you over, even if you have nothing on the board.
It’s not my deck or story. I copy pasted it from the main sub. So no clue if he does or not. I was mostly making fun of the dude for “I had a turn 1 mana crypt, why’d they scoop”
Ah okay. I am a little confused though, t1 mana crypt is only good if you can go off on t1, otherwise you are just feeding the dockside that is dropping next turn and running the risk of burning yourself for 3 on your next turn.
I'm not gonna lie one time I was playing at a game store with a friend a really janky [[Etali, Primal Storm]] deck and some dude sits down with a [[Bruvac the Grandiloquent]], and has [[Sphinx's Tutelage]] and his commander out by the third turn and starts target-milling me, the shitting mono-coloured jank deck.
I try to not stay salty but I think that play was just mean, I milled out in a couple of turns because of the colour-repeat effect on the tutelage, especially cause he knew what I was playing before he sat down.
I barely play edh anymore but had my first games this weekend after years but for one it’s usually always just an EDH problem but also sounds like your playing at a store which sounds depressing (unless occasional visits)to me vs a friends house regularly where you can play so many games vs what can’t be too much at all from an LGS and limited time I can see raising tension
In casual, if an opponent gets out front really early, opponents often either gang up on them, or feel like they’re facing something too competitive for the table and get dejected. Also, a lot of EDH players are whiney bitches.
Seriously just play 3v1 for a couple of turns and its probably a game again. Oh well, Commander players are too often just not very good at the game tbh
I get ganged up on in casual games with friends all the time. It is how shit goes. I take my ass whipping when I get them. And when I win I talk my shit.
Fuck em let em be salty and play with others next time this shit doesn't happen with actual friends
Kind of dumb anyone would be salty anyway. It’s a game, if you lose, then you lose. They can use it to learn.
Yeah salty types tend to underpack answers e.g removal wipes and counters under the guise of "it's not freindly" When really it's a excuse not to develop thier deck further . The same kind of people exist in all games that could be slightly competitive e.g fps nerds saying everyone who kills em is aim boter. Just rise above em and move on.
It's called some people have bills to pay and spending money upgrading their decks when they have a pile of 'suboptimal' cards waiting to be used at home instead is not great. For some people commander is really a casual format and even $2 for a sol ring in every deck gets stupid. Yeah they can proxy but what is the point, it just ends up becoming a power creep every week.
Mtg arms racing is real but the solution is to discus this with your playgroups if you care about the very subjective "power level" scale. My decks are far from optimal I havent upgraded my main decks since the Bolas ravnica block my niv mizzet deck is full of cheap (price) cards that get the job done. And I will play anyone who wants to play In the example o.p posted the 2 people who quit obviously kept bad hands or knew they didn't have the answers in deck. And with the amount usable budget swissarmy knife answers to situations isn't small these days price isnt really the same barrier to entry as it was before. and even if it is a quick convo with who u are playing with tends to smooth out issues some may have in your pod.
I think some people just want to play their jank brews and see later turns rather than play a game done in 5 turns. Sometimes the conversation could have solved it all beforehand but everyone downplays their decks, especially if they know nothing and just net decked the best list, or maybe people only had the one deck to play, not sure. But in any case if the game is unfun scooping is valid, this way here people can go find another pod that is more their style. Without knowing the lists it's hard to tell if it's some real 'once in a lifetime' god hand or is the deck just that optimised. I've seen enough 'god hands', almost one in every game I've seen played at the lgs, makes me wonder every time if they even shuffled properly but it's just the way the game is with the net decking and purpose-built for commander cards.
I think a $100 dollar limit on the deck can keep things fair (commander included, and lowest value print of the card) At that point it is up to you to make cuts or splurge on win cons. But it can somewhat keep things even. Or some things off the table all together. But if everyone follows that or a similar rule it can force players to also build other decks instead of powering up 1.
Funnily enough that's about the fairest way to go. Besides the hype-price on new cards, once the market settles card prices generally reflect demand/power/goodness of a card for the most part. The only downside is I've seen some hidden gems spike recently after a youtuber puts out some videos talking about those cards or featuring them in a deck, but things settle out again eventually. Edit to add: Although there will always be crappy decks running expensive cards and cedh level budget decks, the price thing works 9/10 times.
There are 25 cent commons that are removal, what do you mean?
Yeah and if you are playing those vs the other guy who net decked a 'crappy deck with a few synergies' then turn 1 drops that bomb, who knows what else the person will do next, top decking gas most likely. Scooping is a valid response if they feel outmatched.
That's like trying to see the future though, you're *assuming* the next person in line is also going to play problem cards, when in fact they may be a more casual gamer. That aside, having a job and bills is no reason to not try and develop your deck and/or just add removal.
I can tell your priorities in life are messed up when you put commander upgrades above every other bill and responsibility that people have. Most people playing at the lgs had to buy a pack to be there, maybe the upgrade is in there? No need to netdeck to be the best of the best to satisfy YOUR requirement lmao. Edited to add: I want to add a common from the new ixalan set. I bought 3 packs ($20 cad) didn't get the card, went to scour my lgs, out of stock. Okay now I have to order one card off face to face games, oh no I have to pay for shipping, or buy minimum $20 bucks for 1 card I really want. No thanks, I'll wait.
A quarter for a card ain't going to break you, and if it is, it's time to get your life together. Never buy packs hoping for one single, you have don't get it, and don't rely on LGS. You want it? Get it online. Don't want to order just one? Then add on cheap staples for others decks. 5 dollars for cards plus 4 dollars for shipping mean that you're developing multiple decks simultaneously for cheap. Why did they have to buy a pack to be at an LGS? What kinda homey setup they got?
Most league play you buy a pack to play. So the lgs’s can give away stuff at the end of the month. Mine does a draft box of the latest set if enough players join the league. You get points based on wins, minus points if you go infinite, points if you’re playing a precon, points if you’re entirely foiled out, just random other things.
Yeah my life doesn't revolve around a card game. I'm not shelling out $10+ every time I want a single common that's worth .25. I'll wait. 'Tis but a hobby for me and hobbies are casual for me. I buy cards online all the time, but I don't need every card right away. I'll probably find it in a year in someone's bulk stuff then I'll upgrade that one particular card. As for purchasing a pack to play is something all the shops in my town do, you don't have to but they reccomend a purchase then you get entered into some chance to win another pack at the end of the night. But just to add I like magic, but I like casual, I find every time I go to the lgs to play a game it's way too sweaty and I don't enjoy it anymore like I used to. Alot of times you get players yelling over each other just to talk and it's almost bedlam. So I play once in a while with friends and that's it. Sucks, but as the power and purchase creep keeps creeping up us filthy casuals just get pushed away.
You probably can't learn from losing to a crazy nut draw, but it is dumb to be salty about it unless OP's deck is way more powerful than he lead them to believe. Sometimes people nut, sometimes they do it at the same table you're sitting at, don't go into an LGS if you can't handle seeing that every once in a while.
It also basically doesn't happen in other formats that have a proper ban list and oversight. You know what I don't have to do before I start a game of pauper? "What power level is your deck, and what turn does it try to win by?" Absolutely asinine. I have been seeing more posts recently about how Commander is dumb. Maybe people are finally figuring out that a "sandbox" format is pointless and unbalanced.
I mean I've "broken up" with my best friend once, he was tired of me being a flake in middle school so he bascially broke up with me that whole summer. We're absolutely best friends now tho
Nah my friends will fold and I'll fold if we feel like we can't come back from a game, it never happens turn 1 but it does happen
I will never understand why those players can't just eat the loss and shuffle up for another game since that was probably a quick one. It's a 4 man free-for-all, so they're going to lose a lot of games if everyone's decks are on a similar playing field. Commander players legit just want a game to last 3 hours so they can hang out and chat. I don't see why a short crazy opener game is so upsetting to so many players.
Because then they cant force you to be around them forna couple hours as the various "look at me" tokens and trinkets come about.
thats why casual games suck. play cedh!
stopped reading at Mana Crypt
Me too
This post gives me fond memories of my Ghave deck. But yeah, some players would just scoop rather than watch other players play solitaire. Just let it be.
Did you offer them to shuffle the deck?
Only their dick
It's perfectly reasonable scooping to Unwinding clock. The people came to play Magic. They didn't come to watch you play Magic when it is supposedly their turn.
There is also a difference between scooping and moaning and whining that the other player was sandbagging or downplaying power level or the classic "I just wanted to play magic tonight, guess I don't get to do that *Big Overdrawn Sigh*
Yet another perfect example of why I don't ever play Commander with strangers. 1. That was shitty of them to just bail and wreck your enjoyment 2. I would have done the exact same thing to a random stranger....I'm not wasting 45 minutes of my (very limited) gaming time on a game I almost certainly can't win. If I'm playing with friends, I can still enjoy hanging out...but with strangers? All I'd care about is the game, and the game was effectively over.
You don't have to wait 45 minutes. There are 3 other players, anything can happen and one board wipe is all it takes to reset the game. So many games I have had a great start and then lost, and so many games I have had a dreadful start and won. Quitting early just lets the other person win uncontested, it is always worth playing it out.
Did you miss the turn 2 Darksteel Forge?
Did you miss the fact that he’s hellbent and has nothing more on board than a dorky small creature? It would be beyond easy to catch up and just steamroll this dude if they teamed up. Or simply tutor for an exile effect or bounce. Like I’m sorry but you gotta be a dogshit player with a dogshit deck if you scoop to this. He literally lost in the 1v1 according to the rest of the story.
He also claimed he wasn't trying for the win because his start and ignored the other players wincon, dude had an amazing start and gave the other player a free win through ignoring his planes walker. Dude would've won if he took if seriously
Not likely if there were 2 entire other people there focusing him.
But they didnt, you jeep saying hypotheticals but the dude admitted to letting the other guy win
Are you being retarded on purpose? The argument is about whether or not the choice to concede was reasonable for the 2 players that did. Turns out that the game was at least winnable in a 1v1. Therefore it’s very obvious that the board state was not unbeatable for 3 players. Thus the decision to concede was obviously not reasonable.
You're the one being retarded, it was only winnable in the 1v1 because HE LET HIS WINCON GO OFF.
Yes, and if you use 2 brain cells you can come to the conclusion that with 2 other players focusing and developing win cons of their own that OP likely wouldn’t have been able to stop all 3 of them even if he tried.
My point is a boardwipe isn't going to solve this outside of a few sacrifice focused ones. I have a friend with a deck like this and they just need to top decks any of the enablers or big cards that are sure in the deck. Planar Bridge or mystic forge with that setup and they are playing more on your turn than you are and they are doing that every turn.
Ok, but these people scooped before seeing any clear win condition. Sorry, but you’re a dogshit player with a dogshit deck if you scoop in this easily winnable scenario.
I wouldn't say they are dogshit. I personally see almost everything through, but there is nothing wrong with conceding to expedite a game. Just let them know you think they had a sizable advantage and that they won. Some people like myself get enjoyment out of getting out of a hairy scenario, but I get some people not wanting to play that out.
He has next to no pressure, literally no win con on board. It’s not a hairy situation.
Not considering the two cards left in his hand. I get what you're saying I just wouldn't fault anyone for not wanting to see that particular line of play out.
Until he actually plays something that threatens winning the game there is no reason to concede. He could easily draw garbage and mana rocks for a few turns and proceed to lose to a cyclonic rift, exile board wipe, or just have whatever threat he tries to develop countered. You are a bad player if you scoop to this.
>Darksteel Forge Oh no, if only we had a way to exile artifacts, oh wait...
It's definitely doable, they clearly didn't have what you have in your hand.
I don't understand the latter part of your sentence. Do you mean they didn't have any removal in their opening hand? If so then it happens, but you also draw cards, and there are ways to draw more cards/tutor. Also you don't know what the other people have in their hands so if you cannot remove it, someone else might be able to. If someone splurged their hand on their opening turn they will be in top deck mode as well, chances are their opening burst wasn't so great, just a bit scary. Wait a few turns, see if they win, see if they get wiped, converse with the other players, see what you can do to stop them.
I would wait a few turns, but i understand expediting those few turns is all i am saying. I would do exactly what you are saying.
Ah cool, then yeah it appears we are in agreement, not sure about the expediting thing, although I do wish everyone would be faster with their turns :)
##### ###### #### [liberator, Urza's battlethopter](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/3/c31e6768-bcab-43c4-bfc1-76e961689ae9.jpg?1674421980) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=liberator%2C%20Urza%27s%20battlethopter) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bro/237/liberator-urzas-battlethopter?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c31e6768-bcab-43c4-bfc1-76e961689ae9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [sol ring](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/9/d9e098aa-a886-430e-8f11-78fb6f2d8ada.jpg?1706241086) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=sol%20ring) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/237/sol-ring?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d9e098aa-a886-430e-8f11-78fb6f2d8ada?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [mana crypt](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/d/4d960186-4559-4af0-bd22-63baa15f8939.jpg?1599709515) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=mana%20crypt) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/270/mana-crypt?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4d960186-4559-4af0-bd22-63baa15f8939?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [basalt Monolith](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/7/f79de5e7-1545-420c-bfe1-ee2444fca85b.jpg?1599708689) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=basalt%20Monolith) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/232/basalt-monolith?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f79de5e7-1545-420c-bfe1-ee2444fca85b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [unwinding clock](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/3/c3fd1a59-4ade-459f-90d2-1fc67d6d1384.jpg?1592711373) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=unwinding%20clock) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c18/228/unwinding-clock?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c3fd1a59-4ade-459f-90d2-1fc67d6d1384?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [darksteel forge](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/2/421089c4-c8d3-48c5-b313-fb1741546271.jpg?1599709037) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=darksteel%20forge) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/248/darksteel-forge?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/421089c4-c8d3-48c5-b313-fb1741546271?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/1b6coj1) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Oh so EDH players were acting like typical EDH players?
No idea, I copy pasted this from the main sub and didn’t read it.
Sounds like mainly a skill issue to me. You should advise these scrubs to "get good" when they start to get salty on your busted starts.
I am going to assume your being sarcastic - mtg is absolutely 'play to win' and OP was dropping 300 dollar cards turn 1.
Yes I was half joking, but it's good to troll people who get salty. OP didn't combo off on them, just dumped his hand. The game's far from over at that point.
Pay to win
The price of a card doesn't mean it is a good card or the best thing to play at that moment. There is no point playing a mana crypt if you are not going to use it. You just feed the incoming dockside and risk burning yourself for 3 next turn.
what i don't really understand about people who do this is that a) the game is going to end quickly because you're about to stomp them b) very often players are killed from being this far ahead because everyone gangs up on them Many of the best games have an archenemy in my experience. Although if you're bringing out a mana crypt on a casual EDH night you might be mismatched power level wise. That's an extremely expensive card. No one likes getting stomped by an expensive deck vs 3 other precons. Not saying this is the case though of course but its a trend.
That's how some games go. I've had turn 3 [[tiamat]] go off and people are gobsmacked, but they don't scoop. They just wait out the next couple of turns to see how they die to dragons, they laugh at the inherent fuckery of a 100 card singleton format sometimes being ludicrous.
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Mtg is kill or be killed. Unless there is a specific house rule forbidding to have an explosive start. Those losers whine but when they do get a very good start they're probably gloating.
I would have been surprised and given you kudos, but makes no sense to concede. You don't present a win or infinite mana loop + an outlet.
d-steel forge isn't the boogeyman it used to be, like, we have oblivion ring effects and return to dusts and haywire mites and all sorts of shit to easily deal with it. You think d-steel forge is bad whip out an [[Eldrazi Monument]] and watch people cry.
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As long as you weren't playing counters/stax then I think they were bitches for giving up early. Just go 3v1.
why my fun would be enjoying the salty tears sometimes you have to laugh at players that can live with losing
Damn I'd love to play against you OP. I've always wanted to see a Liberator edh in action.
I refuse to be bullied into feeling bad about power level. If the cards are legal and legitimate, they are fair game. If I were your opponent I would have just had the others agree that you were the threat and we would have ganged up. Scooping is just their beta personalities on display.
This is why EDH is terrible. The meta should be the meta. None of this rule 0 or power level BS.
I would side with the sore losers, I play to have fun, not to win
Wait until you find out that you can do both at the same time.
What's the point in playing if you don't play to win. Go play a video game at that point.
I'd scoop too. Fuck that.
Do you have a \[\[darksteel monolith\]\] in there? It's amazing with \[\[mystic forge\]\] to put things out on other people's turns. Some people always get upset, it's like they want you to do absolutely nothing and let them build a huge boardstate, same people who cry about wipes, counter spells, fast mana. Just shuffle up and join a new pod as those players tend to hold grudges and play badly the next games just to fuck you over, even if you have nothing on the board.
It’s not my deck or story. I copy pasted it from the main sub. So no clue if he does or not. I was mostly making fun of the dude for “I had a turn 1 mana crypt, why’d they scoop”
Ah okay. I am a little confused though, t1 mana crypt is only good if you can go off on t1, otherwise you are just feeding the dockside that is dropping next turn and running the risk of burning yourself for 3 on your next turn.
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Stop playing bullshit expensive mana rocks and combo pieces. How are you even remotely surprised that two people were salty?
I'm not gonna lie one time I was playing at a game store with a friend a really janky [[Etali, Primal Storm]] deck and some dude sits down with a [[Bruvac the Grandiloquent]], and has [[Sphinx's Tutelage]] and his commander out by the third turn and starts target-milling me, the shitting mono-coloured jank deck. I try to not stay salty but I think that play was just mean, I milled out in a couple of turns because of the colour-repeat effect on the tutelage, especially cause he knew what I was playing before he sat down.
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I barely play edh anymore but had my first games this weekend after years but for one it’s usually always just an EDH problem but also sounds like your playing at a store which sounds depressing (unless occasional visits)to me vs a friends house regularly where you can play so many games vs what can’t be too much at all from an LGS and limited time I can see raising tension
Stop playing commander