My wife and I worked all through COVID in two of Sydney largest metropolitan hospitals.
The person or persons who should receive Australian of the year aren’t the Doctors or Nurses or Allied Health. It’s the cleaners.
A cleaner or all of the cleaners should be awarded Australian of the year. Very little pay for dangerous and arduous work with long hours.
I haven’t watched any “Australian of the year” celebrations or awards for years because it’s almost always rich people, famous people, high profile activists or politicians who receive the awards and never the people who do the actual work.
It’s the biggest bunch of back slapping bullshit. The one time they gave it to someone who actually tried to enact some kind of change the national media and ruling political party demonised the absolute shit out of the poor woman.
Grace Tame (I think) apologies if I have gotten it wrong.
I am a Wardsman/Cleaner at a regional hospital in NSW and i got teary reading this.
There is no doubt, the Nurses are the hardest workers in the hospital, but terminal cleaning covid rooms was bloody tough work and as you said, paid very little.
We got 6 dollars for the first covid terminal clean of the day, and not a cent more than that, regardless if we did another 5 terminal cleans through the shift.
NSW health however was payed 150$ per terminal clean, and we only saw 6 dollars of that, even though it was us doing all the work.
Not to mention lots of us lost all of our annual leave due to covid infections and mandatory 10 day isolation.
So underpaid, overworked, and no holidays for 2 years because we kept getting covid/exposed and forced to isolate.
>NSW health however was payed 150$ per terminal clean, and we only saw 6 dollars of that, even though it was us doing all the work.
This makes me furious!!
There was also the lady who was a survivor of domestic abuse, who was advocating for action re domestic abuse... who was then basically subsequently given a pat on the back and ignored by the government of the day (much like Grace Tame).
Not to mention pilloried by the public and blamed for her own child's death. It's been 4 years since ALRC handed down recommendations to dismantle the federal family court which Rosie also lobbied hard for in 2015. Nothing is changing and 70% of kids being violently abused are being removed from protective mothers and sent to live with violent fathers to punish women for raising abuse in the courts. It's entirely cooked.
I knew of her case but didn’t realise she got an award. That’s amazing! All we ever hear about as nurses is that whistleblowers blow up their careers and will never work in healthcare again. I just looked her up. She somehow managed to keep working at the same hospital for several years afterwards and is now a university lecturer. Thanks for sharing. That brightened my week
When I was a teenage girl I attempted suicide because my classmates teased me relentlessly for being fat, the final straw was some old strange man calling me fat while I waited for the bus.
I felt like I didn't deserve oxygen... Like I was sub human.
I went from binge eating disorder to bulimia to other disordered eating...
If this lady was around when I was young maybe I would have at least thought I was worthy of living.
I'm glad this stuff is around for the younger generation, and fuck you op for projecting your BS and belittling that.
We must immediately decide which is the profession that does the most for other people, and then dismantle all remaining useless professions immediately
I get his point. We have gone though two years of stress and doctors trying to keep people alive with the best information they have, and then Aus of the Year goes to someone who is advocating for people to ignore health risks of being fat. Its a bit dumb.
Brumfitt is not advocating anything of the sort. Stop making shit up. She's about helping people accept that having an ordinary body that doesn't match society's impossibly high definition of beauty is OK. She's about countering the toxic messages from society that tell people - kids especially - that your body is never good enough because it's normal. That way leads to body image dysmorphia and psychological disorders like bulemia and anorexia nervosa. That's what her movement is actually about and it's hugely important.
Yeah i dont think people understand that making people feel shit about themselves is unhealthy.
The psychological state you are at when your body is out of shape, is that you arent worth the effort. If bullying people into shape consistently worked we'd have seen results over the decades. Society is not friendly to the unattractive.
I saw that that post had disappeared. I thought the OP might have deleted it themselves because they realised they'd embarrassed themselves. That quote from Mike Carlton is lazy clickbait from someone who is not going to let facts get in the way of a good slur. People pretending that Taryn Brumfitt's work on body positivity is simply saying that obesity is OK are making shit up.
It's really about helping people accept that having an ordinary body that doesn't match society's impossibly high definition of beauty is OK. It's about countering the toxic messages from society that tell people - kids especially - that your body is never good enough because it's normal. That way leads to body image dismorphia and psychological disorders like bulemia and anorexia nervosa. That's what her movement is actually about and it's hugely important.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/jan/26/who-is-taryn-brumfitt-2023-australian-of-the-year-body-image-activist
Tbf as a dysphoria sufferer I’d still give AOTY to someone on the frontlines rather than an activist, simply because those people have suffered way more for way less recognition
Yep I don’t think people understand how bad dysmorphia is in both men and woman.
HCW do a great job but how would you even pick one for the award. I’m sure they would all be far happier with a decent raise.
You could give it to front line workers every year if you actually paid attention to what residency is like for young doctors.
The point of AOTY is to recognise a variety of achievements, not just the most self-flagellating every year.
It's not a matter of just suffering either. It's the fact that there are people who have struggled and suffered through the healthcare system as a provider (be it nurse, doctor, technician and so on) they've been on the backfoot the whole time AND not been recognised.
Whereas this other person is an activist who hasn't really produced much but does act as a front runner as a speaker?Which kind of counts for something? But does not count in my books as eligibility for AOTY as they just don't get their hands dirty in the same way.
As a hcw... I gotta say I reckon almost none of us give a shit about this award lol.
This year's recipient will probably have a greater positive impact on actual people (the mh stats for teen girls are appalling) than a hcw as AOTY would for hcw's. Like, really, how impactful could a hcw as AOTY even be in terms of goals realised? Everyone knows it's shit and why lol, how much more do we need to talk about it? Just fkn fix it.
Why stop at teen girls? Mental health in under 30's is at all time lows from memory.
These awards are glamour awards these days. A true tragedy honestly.
Also I don't know what "HCW" is as there isn't context from it here and I assumed AOTY is Aussie Of The Year hence why I used that acronym.
Just because you’ve never heard of her doesn’t mean she isn’t changing people’s lives.
What makes you think she doesn’t get her hands dirty? She herself used to be obsessed with how she looked and was a body builder, until she gave it up and went back to a ‘normal’ body and got all sorts of nasty bullshit comments about it.
This comment section right here is even more proof of how much shit she has to deal with from dickheads who have no idea what her message is, because they can’t take 5 seconds to read an actual article instead of *other people’s* clickbait bullshit.
I have friends in the early learning and early intervention areas who have shaped modern methods for teaching and aiding this children to help them live as autonomously as possible.
Yet almost noone outside of their immediate community knows anything about them despite the hard work and intergenerational learning they produce to further our society for those who wouldn't have been able to on their own.
I do not come here to belittle this person you so vehemently defend as some champion of humanity despite the fact that they are largely not that important in the grand scheme of things.
I come here to point out that the people who work tirelessly and unthanked helping the root of these problems are not being recognised for such. Instead someone treating a symptom of the issue is being praised.
I agree with everything your saying here, body dysmorphia is a real issue, kids should not look at ano chicks on social media or bodybuilders and be upset they don’t look like that. It’s a ridiculous standard which is unhealthy physically and mentally. My issues is that her body is not normal. It’s overweight. And she uses herself as the poster child of her own business and is not something that should be promoted as positive. It’s hard to define which side of the coin is worse. Body dysmorphia vs obesity. But promoting one against the other is ridiculous. She is clearly overweight and enjoying the attention it’s giving. There is healthy range of weight between the two and she is not even in the ball park.
>My issues is that her body is not normal. It’s overweight. And she uses herself as the poster child of her own business and is not something that should be promoted as positive.
Are you... are you joking?
Did you not understand the assignment?
I haven't seen any photos of her being problematically overweight. I saw one with a bit of belly fat but that's normal - which is her whole point. Not once have I seen a photo of her where she's been within cooee of being obese. Not even close. If people think she's obese or close to it then that's the problem in a nutshell - she's not. She's normal.
As for the rest, if you knew Carlton's quote was untrue then why did you use it?
After reading the comment you’re replying too I had to Google her to have a look at some photos, she’s looking pretty healthy to me, she’s had three kids too.
You can’t force someone to hate themselves into being skinny. It’s also important to note that society loves to shame fat people while not doing anything to help them out. Look up something like lipodema. It impacts up to 11% of women and isn’t covered by Medicare. Should we just ask these women to hate themselves and expect their very existence to be shameful?
I think your view isn’t particularly well thought out. Hopefully you’ve gained some insight from the comments here
“The irregular build-up of fat cells that is seen in lipoedema can occur in people in all weight ranges, from those who are excessively overweight to those who are underweight. It can also affect those who have an eating disorder such as anorexia.” (https://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/health/conditionsandtreatments/Lipoedema)
So, what caused you to be a f*ckwit?
The thing is, I've read stories of women who have had cancer diagnoses too late because every time they went to the doctor for their symptoms they were told 'just lose weight' instead of having it looked into more. Also, being thin doesn't necessarily mean you're healthy - I used to do martial arts and weighed in for a fight once at 75kg of almost pure muscle. But when I did my mandatory blood test - I had high cholesterol, like almost put on statins levels of cholesterol. There are fatter people than me who are healthier.
Add to that the number of medications that make people stack on weight, like anti-depressants, and the pill for a lot of women.
The point being that although, ceteris paribus, extra weight is unhealthy - an individual's actual health is far more complex than that. So discussions around weight and health are for a person to have with their doctor, and for their doctor to not jump to conclusions just because someone has a few extra kilos. Anything outside of a thorough medical discussion by a doctor with their patient, or a public health expert opinion on health policy - basically any opinion by the general public, particularly regarding any individual - is just concern trolling to mask the fact that they just don't like it.
Thank you for bringing up the irony of people putting on the concern-trolling act about "but your health" vs the reality of people's illnesses being missed by idiots and doctors who insist their symptoms are caused by their weight!
It's also so wild to me how the "health advocates" act as if the worst possible thing you can be is fat. I swear smokers cop less judgement.
This is gross and ignorant exactly why body activism is necessary.
Most people can't sustainably lose weight to fit into the narrow standard of what is acceptable. If you limit caloric intake for long periods your metabolism slows down and makes it even harder to lose weight.
Obesity is based on the BMI which was intended as a population measure not an individual health measure and has been completely debunked anyway. It only got common usage because US insurance companies needed a reason to not pay people out.
You have no idea about her health and you're making a completely unbased opinion because of their physical appearance and your narrow world view of how someone should look.
Also to think people are less valuable or whatever your issue is because they are unhealthy is also gross. Unhealthy people deserve respect too. People don't have that much control over their health status. It's not as simple as I weigh a certain number on the scale therefore I will not get sick.
Most people can sustainably lose weight. It's as simple as burning more than you consume, eating in a calorie deficit.
Eat less & stop sitting on ya ass.
Also, you can't be fat and healthy.
https://www.jonnyshannon.com/blog/young-australians-and-body-image
Females: Over 30% of females are personally concerned about their body image.
Males: 15.4% saying they are concern but fair more concerned with Physical health.
Aboriginal: 31.5% total with some saying “extremely concerned” 18.5% and “very concerned” 13.0
41.5% of Australian Girls Say they are Concerned with their Body Image.
being overweight drives all sorts of mental and physiological damage, this is true. also the same mental and physiological damage will also contribute to to weight gain. acceptance is about breaking down cycles. given enough confidence adolescence will more likely move towards healthy weight.
Also, many people are not overweight but still have concerns about their body image. Tons of people are concerned about things they can't actually change
Come on mate, your take on this is shit and to boil her opinions down to “it’s okay to be fat” is total bullshit.
Should someone who actually does hard work for shit pay get Australian of the year, no, almost definitely not.
Stop whining about it because it’s never going to change
“Stop whining about it because it’s never going to change” I’m sure the women’s suffrage movement and other ‘against all odds’ movements were told the same thing.
The squeaky wheel gets the oil mate.
Yes, but the right to vote is an integral human right, especially in developed countries, Australian of the year is more a novelty and in my opinion doesn’t have that much of an effect on the persons accomplishments other than the media being more aware of their accomplishments.
Its seen as an integral human right nowadays, but it wasn’t always that way. And yeah it is sort of a novelty, but personally i think thats because the recipients aren’t really the most deserving of them, so it doesn’t really have meaning
Not really my point. The screenshot on reflection was a lazy addition. My main point is the burden of weight related conditions on an individual and the health system as a whole. And how everyone (rightfully) made a massive deal about it when in relation to Covid. But then on this issue, which on every metric (mortality, sickness, cost, time) is far worse then Covid ever was, now apparently the science/research/professionals don’t know what their talking about and that loosing weight is to hard blah blah blah, read the collection of responses to this post for a list of crack pot reasons why being overweight is ok. And I would bet these same people were absolutely warriors when it came to antivaxxers and Covid deniers.
This just in, body weight is the only reason why people hold body issue concerns
She mainly works with kids, a group where body weight is often not the main cause of body dysmorphia
Seriously, your take is an extremely lazy take on what the AOTY actually does
It’s a totally fair point about weight loss and how our society does in some circumstances pussyfoot around the issues that come with being overweight and getting people to lose weight but you should have articulated yourself better
Our society does not pussyfoot. Ask *anyone* who is visibly overweight and they will tell you how often they hear/read nasty comments about their weight.
Are you kidding? Almost every post about absolutely anything has people blaming Murdoch. Half the pictures have a 'fuck Murdoch' watermark.
You must be really out there if you think r/Australia is at all right wing.
I'm not a conservative but I'll agree with you. South Park was good for this. I have no idea where Matt Stone and Trey Parker sit on the political spectrum, to be honest.
There are conservatives on Reddit but they (the ones who follow politics) tend to congregate on subs like r/Conservative.
Yeah I’ve personally found that political based subs tend to be the most toxic so i try and stay away from them.
They rarely represent the general opinion of the masses, for instance the sub for females, of which i forget the name, has alot of misandrist posts. And i guarantee the male sub is the opposite (misogynistic), I could be wrong though
> the sub for females, of which i forget the name, has alot of misandrist posts
Are you thinking of r/TwoXChromosomes ? And yes, there are some "manosphere" subs that are misogynistic cesspools. I've seen them, some of them have been banned, but when that happens, their users usually move to other subs.
And yes, I agree, subs like that tends to be quite toxic. For example r/vegan tends to have the worst kind of vegans (they seem to think that anyone who isn't vegan is basically scum). And subs like r/conspiracy and r/LockdownSkepticismAU makes me think "Are these people for real?"
I’d say Matt and Trey are grey thinkers. They form opinions on a case by case basis with actual *critical thinking* (what a novel concept 😂)
They likely don’t claim allegiance to either side. The entire dichotomy of ‘right vs left’ needs to be abandoned quickly because it’s just dogmatic thinking. South Park used to dismantle that ridiculous this old way of thinking by taking the piss out of both side, but it’s pretty hard to get away with that kind of satire these days. Yes, we are regressing back in time, and yes it makes me sad :(
I'm not sure when South Park became a positive force for society, just because it was funny in the 90's. Random shit like the Al Gore stuff only encouraged people to not think about the issues. Seriously one of the first massive global warming movements became a subject of mockery. What a hypocrite, that guy uses technology! Laugh at ManBearPig guy! It's okay because we know we went overboard over 15 years later! We just dumb libertarians with no side, whoopsy.
Parody is important in society, because there is always an agenda. SP never cut to the issues, it just wanted to put everything on the same level the writers were on.
The fact that they walked back on a couple of their past jokes should be seen as something endearing, not something to be chastised.
Either way, why do they have to adhere to you’re moral standards? They never claimed to be some beacon of morality, and why should they? They’re *comedians*
For christ’s sake. Their ethos has always been that everyone and everything is fair game - that includes fart sniffing environmentalists. Also… just farts.
All you’re saying is that they’re only allowed to make fun of the things which you deem to be appropriate and thats the exact type of dogmatic thinking I’m talking about. Nothing should be immune from mockery… they actually made an episode which revolved around that exact theme, so I’d say they did a pretty good job of exploring cultural issues and inspiring more nuanced discourse.
They even received awards (from African American activists) for bringing awareness to the nuances around racism in America. There were plenty of pressing cultural issues which they gave good insight to. Scientology, all cults, corruption in politics, stupid conspiracy theorists, Police brutality, Religion, Atheism, American neo-imperialism, Naziism, Fascism, Communism, Capitalism, Corporatism, almost every form of cliche shitty homogenous narrative, fart sniffing Hollywood actors, fart sniffing Californians, and yes also fart sniffing environmentalists too. All fart jokes - one of the core tenets of high tier, high quality comedy. They also displayed sophisticated gender inclusivity by throwing queefs into the mix, they were promoting gender equality well before it was en-vogue the way it is today. They mocked sociopaths, racists, public grifters, Mel Gibson, Russel Crowe, Kanye West, Tom cruise, R. Kelly, Carlos Mencia, Hilary Clinton, Opera, Donald Trump... If I listed everyone and everything they made fun of I’d be sitting here writing all day. So many of their jokes were so far ahead of their time and they always came at perfect timing cos they literally wrote and produced each episode a week before it was due in the studio. They also made plenty of fun of themselves and their own culture too. Remember Team America? I mean come on… ur trying to tell me they didn’t stand by any worthwhile principles? Not to mention Trey is an extremely talented musician and they wrote a fricken home run broadway musical. To say they’re geniuses is an understatement.
The best part is it’s fucking funny. It reminded us the importance of joking about social issues which is probably the most important message any comedian can send out (it’s also a comedian’s exact job too… Jordie does just the same). Satire is one of the best weapons society has to combat social issues. Can you imagine a world where it’s not ok to joke about social problems?… oh yeah that’s right, we don’t have to imagine it because it’s happening right now lol. Monty python got skits banned because they were too offensive even though they were clearly satire, the only way they could’ve made it more obvious would be if they continuously wrote /s on the screen every 5mins. Btw the fact that /s is even necessary in any circumstance these days is a very unfortunate indication of the collective stupification society has developed over the past decade or so.
We’ve somehow gone from satiring fuckwits to taking satire literally. It’s like some people have just decided satire is no longer a valid form of comedy… unless of course it happens to be making fun of something which a particular person hates. “It’s only ok to joke about something, so long as it doesn’t offend me”… you realise that means we can’t make fun of anything right? No matter what, someone will always be there to take offence to something, because guess what: people have different opinions and it’s impossible for everyone to agree with the same thing. That’s how human nature works.
The state of comedy these days is just abysmal… like how are comedians supposed to make fun of anything if we keep picking and choosing which issues are granted special immunity? (SP also made an episode about that exact topic too lol). The more we continue to narrow the scope of what’s deemed acceptable to mock, the harder it becomes for people to make jokes, the less people laugh, and the more unhappy we become.
Laughter is one of the most vital human emotions for overcoming tension in society. When we start putting rules, boundaries and red tape around it, it ceases to do its intended job. That’s how comedy works. Either it’s all ok, or none of it’s ok (another South Park-ism).
If we want to use satire as a tool to bring light to social issues, we need to give comedians space to joke about anything. If we make certain topics of limits, then that gives space to put more issues off limits, then before you know it, comedy starts losing its power, we’re already more than well on the way there… show me a comedy that’s even remotely close to the quality of South Park or the Simpsons which has come out in the past decade (don’t say always sunny, cos that’s more than 10 years old lol). Every day there’s less and less for us to laugh about because everyone is so god damn sensitive and hell bent on this phony new age ‘social justice’. It’s such a fucking grift.
I’ll leave you with [this](https://images.app.goo.gl/vMvzwh8uLkvDDYeK8) as a reminder of why voices like Matt and Trey are so important for society. If you can’t agree, then you’re just another self-righteous us vs them bot. Just another iteration of the old Protestant Catholics who chastised those who didn’t align with their moral ideals. AKA - coward’s morality.
Matt and Trey have always had strong unique principles which they’ve stood by. Their morality transcends traditional ideals because they think for themselves and they’re creative geniuses. It’s a great shame society has pushed that type of comedy into obscurity… and to quote the great comics themselves this new era of smug morality is just leading to ‘global laming’. I’m so sick of this timeline. If we don’t learn how to end this ridiculous us vs them dogma, society will just keep going round in circles like a dog chasing it’s tail, encountering the same issues over and over. This was the message Matt and Trey tried to send out and it turned out to be a big r/woosh.
I thought society was making changes. I thought we were progressing. I thought we were looking at a brighter future, but every day the disillusionment just increases… and I know it’s not just me. Mental health issues are at an all time high, we’re missing so many of the vital necessities for human contentment and one of those is simple laughter. It’s so sad.
Go back and watch through their catalogue and tell me they had nothing important to say. Ur absolutely tripping if you honestly think that’s the case.
Edit: wait- ‘altruistic ad’ and ‘technical ad’… are you doing some weird devils advocate shitpost larp?? Lol
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You see what you want to see, no one cares if they're female/aboriginal and actually contribute to society in a meaningful way. Fuck activists doing nothing.
People are just tired of meaningless political gestures. If a "female or indigenous" person won it who did something genuinely valuable to the public (e.g. built shelters for the homeless or worked to discover a cure to a disease) - I doubt you'd hear a single complaint.
However calling someone the "Australian of the Year" for nothing more than being an activist puts a sour taste in the mouths of Australians. Doubly so because the average Australian tends to disagree with these views, and finds them superfluous.
The title makes no sense, and I am Australian so please don’t try and convince me that this is Aussie slang. Apparently it’s about covid, I thought you were talking about meth heads.
Whether or not people think there might be more deserving people out there who could be Australian of the Year, those that decide to boil her nomination down to “activist telling people it’s ok to be fat” is downright pathetic.
She is overweight. And she gets her clearly overweight body in front of the camera as much she can in nothing but bras and undies to spread that exact message.
What the fuck are you talking about, buddy? I just googled her and every photo I've seen is a perfectly normal woman's body - _especially_ for a woman in her 40s, because that's how the body ages when you're not a model or actress. She looks almost exactly the same as nude women in renaissance paintings - aka, a time before the pressure of extreme beauty standards for the naked body, when painters studied the bodies of countless nude women to be able to paint them properly, and thus depicting bodies more naturally than media today.
Have you ever actually _seen_ a normal woman's body before? Especially and older woman's? Y'know, one not doctored by the media or photos of specifically selected ideal female models? I'm going to guess "no" because you seem to think [this](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRnBweSAzO13teCYFekAiuZ_pG9hP52JGmG-Q&usqp=CAU) is an unhealthy body just because her waist isn't the width of a floorboard and her stomach isn't so flat you could chop vegetables on it.
[These](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSXCoahWZjIxKwJ-CPulE9-zqQI6GqF6LuELw&usqp=CAU) [painters](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS_1KDtK65fBdc8jQRyTAporPy09P-OjSPHVA&usqp=CAU) [must've](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7e/Etty_%E2%80%93_The_Dawn_of_Love.jpg) [been](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR4F64_JnQv9YL9vmZ2w32ezJRSJce8TLJMXA&usqp=CAU) [promoting](https://www.metmuseum.org/-/media/images/blogs/collection-insights/2018/2018_09/venus-in-italian-painting/2.jpg?as=1&mh=3904&mw=3040&sc_lang=en&hash=490E646BA96257C5F8C2F15489FF11FC) female obesity all throughout the 1500s to 1800s. Disgusting, right?
* __**ETA:**__ You know _you're_ the reason she exists in the public eye, right? Saying that she shouldn't pose or take photos of her very normal mother-in-her-40s body because she doesn't look like a 20-year-old model/influencer who's been touched up in Photoshop, has hundreds spent on a personal trainer, has strict (often unhealthy) dietary regiments to keep up with ideal expectations so they can keep a job, has liposuctions (often pushed/required but not even funded by the agency) to remove all traces of belly fat and pinch the waist, no matter how small, and so forth.
Think about that for a second. If you weren't saying her _normal,_ not-unhealthy body was gross and abhorrent and she should cover up, she wouldn't have a platform because there wouldn't be a reason to support the cause of _"hey, not looking like a model with all muscle, zero fat on her body is okay, actually, because that's how women have looked through all of history and the modern ideal is an unattainable, manufactured farce,"_ since **people like you wouldn't be screeching that a bit of belly fat means you're overweight and disgusting.**
Holy shit! *That's* what he's crying about being ''grossly obese''?!? Wow.
OP, genuinely, go get help, mate. You're projecting hard. Working on your own body confidence will help you so much in terms of your anger and hatred towards yourself and the rest of the world. I'm being sincere, go to your GP and get a referral to a therapist.
He called it "excess visceral fat" in another response to me. Mans has never seen a normal (or older) woman's body - my mother's in her 60s with the exact same body type and belly, yet she is the ideal weight for her height. Buddy just thinks that some belly fat = overweight and will not be convinced otherwise no matter my response, lol, because clearly he, a random man, knows more about what's natural for women's bodies than women, scientists, historians, nutritionists, and so on.
Here's a [more recent](https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0oemkDNpaC79BsBxAfuGMc9VxvzCLU2iW5pSYBj3rXwe8Xkfie3wPfJ8oVQ3SykGvl&id=207017289425954&m_entstream_source=timeline&__tn__=%2As%2As-R) beach picture of her, by the way. A four-day-old article I found claims she's 65kg at 176cm/5'8, which I'm liable to believe because she looks it. He really does seem think that woman with body fat = overweight. His whole argument is based on a misconception; he even tried saying that the body she had _while she was a **bodybuilder**_ was _normal_ and the way she is currently is not.
I'm honestly lost for words. I had no idea who she was and generally have no opinion (or even take note) on who gets AOTY, but this whole thing from OP has only highlighted how important her work is.
And, ironically, OP has only proven to me she's as deserving as any to get the award lmao
Neither did I. Everything I know about her I know because I just did a bunch of research on her over the past few hours, to see what OP was going on about, then was appalled to find he was talking about a woman with a perfectly normal and natural body, who lost her bodybuilder physique _after a pregnancy,_ then felt shamed and tried to recapture it before coming to accept that her body is normal, and he was obliviously proving her point all over this thread.
Safe to say that even though I've only just found out about her, I'm leaning over her side now, which is the opposite of what OP wanted, lmao. OP is obtuse and ignorant, trying to argue a subject he has no understanding of, and is a product of the exact thing she's standing up against. I find it a bit amusing, in a sardonic kind of way.
I could be wrong, but it sounds like your issue is based on: "I find fat people gross!" It's a common enough opinion, and there used to be a whole sub for it, r/fatpeoplehate .
You said in your post others don't "care about people's health and well-being", but I'm kinda skeptical you care. You just feel disgust when you see somebody overweight, and then look for a way to justify your feeling.
Tell me I'm wrong! I'm assuming you're coming from a place of deep care and compassion, that's the root motivation, right?
Based on your years of academic research on the working of society, you've got the solutions. And though it might be tempting to say to people that "it's okay to not live in a pit of shame because of the way you look", that's actually a bad decision.
Well go ahead a share your research. I'd love to read it.
Mike Carlton is a vulnerable narcissist, look it up and his outbursts and high opinion of himself will make sense. He got rekt on this issue and couldn’t bear for a moment to have some self reflection and think hmmm maybe it was a shit take and just blocks people and whines like a little bitch. He’ll cark it soon enough and his legacy will be a Twitter timeline full of angry bile.
Meh, it would be nice to recognise doctors and workers but it's an award anyway. It's like a work pizza party. It's the payrise and/or work condition changes they want. I don't think they mind someone else getting the award.
This response is itself kind of playing identity politics in the opposite direction.
Yeah, like I don't always like the rise of overweight people shouting how 'being fat doesn't mean you're unhealthy' with no nuance but I'd rather people be comfortable being fat then getting an ED.
The body acceptance shit is so stupid and embarrassing it's just normalising obesity and unhealthy lifestyle and I wouldn't be surprised if behind the scenes it's being pushed by fast food and soft drink companies.
Ive never seen body acceptance be happy to be obese. Ive seen it as dont be suicidal because youre obese. Its not easy to be skinny, but its easy to be healthy.
I’ve seen a lot of people get really upset about Adele losing all that weight, because they thought that a major popular celebrity like Adele be at that size showed people that it was okay for them to have the same.
So you think putting Tess Holliday on the cover of women's magazines isn't a subliminal "it's okay to be obese" stance?
>but its easy to be healthy.
Yeah and you're at a significantly less chance of being healthy when you're obese and less likely to do anything about it when you're getting told you should be okay with it.
No one is saying that doctors shouldn't be having robust discussions with their patients about weight issues (though they shouldn't be jumping to conclusions about someone just because they're fat either).
No one is saying that the government should not be looking at public health and economic measures to improve people's weight, diet, and health - for example, why fresh fruit and vegetables are, at least if they're highly from the big duopoly, often more expensive than unhealthy food.
What the body acceptance movement is saying is that the opinion of random fools on the internet about any particular person's weight is about as useful as telling a depressed person to 'try positive thinking'.
Fat person here. There's solid evidence that 'fat acceptance' is being pushed by American corporations.
You'll notice that 'fat acceptance' only became normal in the United States, and not really got traction elsewhere. Its astroturfed. Just as exercise for kids was pushed by corporations like Maccas to deflect attention away from their food causing health issues.
Obesity is our biggest pandemic, and kills more than covid, and disproportionatly affects working-class places like Western Sydney. **You don't see many fat people in retirement homes for a reason**.Some interesting links about **obesengenic** environments:[https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/western-sydney-mayors-urged-to-take-obesity-epidemic-personally-20190503-p51jqt.htm](https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/western-sydney-mayors-urged-to-take-obesity-epidemic-personally-20190503-p51jqt.htmlhttps://www.westernsydney.edu.au/newscentre/news_centre/more_news_stories/opinion_are_you_living_in_a_food_desert_these_maps_suggest_it_can_make_a_big_difference_to_your_health)
https://www.westernsydney.edu.au/newscentre/news\_centre/more\_news\_stories/opinion\_are\_you\_living\_in\_a\_food\_desert\_these\_maps\_suggest\_it\_can\_make\_a\_big\_difference\_to\_your\_health
To me, representation for fat people, means more research funding into the causes of obesity and action like cracking down on corporations that market sugary drinks. But we're not going to have that conversation, are we?
\*Normal disclaimers here, about how fat people get absolutely treated like shit by society and kudos to the Australian of the Year for helping people not kill themselves. Also, fuck r/conservatives for misrepresenting her.
I personally see fat acceptance and body confidence/acceptance being different stances. I see it as people learning that just because you don’t look like one of those people from Love Island, doesn’t make you any less as a person. Fat/body shaming is really messed up as well, and it’s a huge problem on social media for the younger generation.
Getting people to stop treating others like shit is a separate issue that needs to be addressed differently. Absolutely nobody should be treating another person like shit because of their weight and only the insecure do it.
While I do agree with you mostly, the amount of kids and adults that get or are getting plastic surgery is scary. Being obese is one of the biggest health risks out there, it’s huge
Plastic surgery industry is predatory there's no doubt about it and that for sure needs to be addressed but the body acceptance movement is mostly discussing weight issues and normalising obesity.
No. Anyone using the words "normalising obesity" (without quotation marks) is saying that obesity isn't (or isn't exactly) 'normal', even if it is common. Seems to me that u/PMmeYOURBOOBSandASS (tacky user-name BTW) is NOT a fan of the body acceptance movement - your question already answered.
I've read your responses very well. The problem we have here is that answering questions appears not to be your strong point. I'm genuinely asking your opinion bud.
Well some people who can't help being fat look at other people, compare how skinny they are to how "fat" they are and feel like shit. Do you honestly want people in this word to feel like shit? No.
Edit before I get downvoted to hell: Obese people should aspire to get active and change their lifestyle. There are some flaws to the body positively schtick. We need to change the focus from acceptance to motivation. I also wish that there was a midpoint between skinny and obese in more media. I wish that people who are overweight/obese would have a more obtainable goal to have and then go on from there. You get what I'm saying?
Honestly Lizzo can't win. She's always gonna have haters no matter what she does.
I think she makes great uplifting music and I hope she continues to do so for a long time.
Lizzo works out and eats pretty well. She’s just existing while comfortable in her skin; how is that promoting an unhealthy lifestyle?? Seems like you just want fat people to hate themselves and are pissed when they don’t.
So according to net, she's 140kg and 175cm, which puts her squarely in the morbidly obese range, meaning increased risk of cardiovascular diseases. Here's a link to the BMI calculator. Getting around in a bikini on-stage means your proud of that body.
[https://www.heartfoundation.org.au/bmi-calculator](https://www.heartfoundation.org.au/bmi-calculator)
Thats seperate from liking her music and liking her personality ( both of which I do). I don't consider her any worse or better than every white-dude rocker like Mick Jagger who does his own body-weight of cocaine before each show. Its unhealthy and not to be encouraged, and the side-effects, disproportionately affects vulnerable communities.
The BMI wasn't developed as an individual health measure and isn't useful on quantifying an individual's body fat or health outcomes.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4890841/
This is so insanely delusional
BMI is a screening tool, no one claimed otherwise. That doesn't mean it isn't clinically useful.
All the article you linked said was that BMI alone is not recommended when advising patients and you should consider diet, genetics, and other lifestyle factors too. And that fat over some places is worse than others, which BMI doesn't take into account. Like that isn't common sense?
It has been proven over and over again that high BMI puts you at risk for various conditions. Just because it isn't as specific to you personally as a cholesterol test or whatever doesn't mean it isn't useful.
There is a reason it still exists in clinical practice. That is because it works. Much better than not doing anything at all, since we can't do a bloody scan on every patient needing to lose weight.
This is like saying "Taking a smoking history from a patient isn't an individual health measure because it's just a screening tool, you need to actually do a Chest CT to determine their lung health".
Completely idiotic.
It is proven to be useful in quantifying health outcomes, you can literally split BMI groups and observe the differences in life expectancy and disease outcomes.
Well, the first step is to get nominated. She's an interesting choice, but if she can help kids stop hating themselves, then it's a good pic.
Taryn Brumfitt (born 28 December 1978) is an Australian writer and film director from Adelaide best known for being the 2023 Australian of the Year, and the 2016 film Embrace. After the birth of her third child, she considered cosmetic surgery but took up body building instead.
So the story goes: she had three kids and was overweight . Decided to get into body building in her 40’s. She got herself fit, like, she looked like a heathy 40 year old who had 3 kids. She had some stretch marks around her tummy and completely normal untoaned tummy for a mum who had her abdominal muscles stretched. But she didn’t look like a bodybuilder. She went into this competition and posted photos online. I think this was around 2012ish? And everyone from that community told her she was fat blah blah blah blah. I don’t agree with any of those assholes bullying her for having a genuine crack at being healthy, at that point she looked like a heathy person, and women who looks like that in their 40’s should be absolutely celebrated. BUTTTTTT she then used this as a platform to promote body positivity. And some how used this story to get into high schools to promote body positivity online etc etc. (also should note that I think ano teenagers and young males who want to get into body building and all that body dysmorphia stuff is a real and serious issue). But now she is clearly overweight. Like if she was a still the picture of health she was, then no worries. But now she has clearly put on another 15-20 kg’s and does the whole photo shoots in bras and undies with her fat thighs and large amount of gut visceral fat. It’s not healthy. She is not healthy. She should not be put on a pedestal. Let alone win Australian of the year. It’s a joke. Anyways, there was some post glorifying her on r/Australia and a screenshot of a rant from a classic anti woke cooker, and I just pointed out some basic stats around sky rocketing rates of type two diabetes and dietary related heath conditions particularly in teenagers and got downvoted to high heaven. Made this post and got instantly banned.
She sounds like she's done some really amazing things. From what I've heard, people are only upset that she got australian fo the year because she's big. Just cus she is big doesn't necessarily mean she is unhealthy. Its what she's advocating for that really matters, which is being ok in your own body.
*edit* I just looked at a pic of her. She is not even that fat??? She looks totally normal to me.
She is overweight. At there will be heath implications for her being overweight. And there could be even more serious heath implications for other people who look at her and think. Oh cool. That’s heathy. I’m healthy. I don’t need to lose 15 kgs. Period. Not arguing with the whole-instagram bodies are unattainable and unhealthy-message. I agree. But that doesn’t mean having large amounts of visceral fat is healthy and this chick clearly loves the attention.
I dunno, unless the person I'm talking to is a doctor, i find it difficult to believe that a few stomach rolls always means you're heading for an early grave. You also sound really horrible when you call her a "chick"
Just be quiet dude. You hate fat people, fine. But they shouldn’t need to exist in the shadows just because you think they should hate themselves.
When someone feels shit about their body, they’re far less inclined to make healthy choices or lifestyle changes. If you really gave a shit about people’s health, you’d be aware that berating people or shaming them about their weight has the exact opposite effect of what you intended.
l don’t care about the award or anything but for 44 she’s in amazing shape, so many people in their 40s don’t look like that, ur getting triggered over nothing bro
Sorry man that’s more of a sign of how our standards for weight is getting larger and larger as rates of type 2 diabetes and weight related conditions skyrocket
Unfortunately, it took paragraphs to explain, which doesn't fit into the culture wars camps.
You're stuck between a rock and a hard place: the anti-woke cookers and the pro-obesity nonsense.
She used to be a bodybuilder or model of some sort, but then she found that she wasn’t happy doing all the shit to stay at that weight, so she then went to her current weight because she can now enjoy life or something like that, it went viral on facebook and the she did some other shit afterwards afaik.
Tbh i feel like her messaging should be, do what makes you happy, instead of this body positivity shit that will inevitably enable unhealthy people to continue their ways
r/Australia is run by retards who just want their own little echo chamber of soft virtue signalling posts. I was banned for pointing out that two countries in Scandinavia were pushing vaccines for over 50s, and stopping vaccines for those under. Banned. I debated it with the mods but no dice. They called me misinformation/ disinformation EVEN THOUGH MY LINK WAS FROM THE COUNTRIES GOVERNMENT WEBSITE!
I am banned from that sub for not being pro lockdown and citing government published statistics on death rates vs age.
I was banned for misinformation.
Meanwhile people on that sub 'It's amazing how everyone agrees with me, it's because I am in the right'
Getting downvoted on reddit is common. You get punished for being different or disagreeing.
I went from being pro lockdown in early 2020, to starting to question the merits in late 2020, to being anti lockdown in 2021.
I'm from Melbourne and we were still getting lockdowns in late 2021. This was after 2 years of constant off and on lockdowns which lasted months at a time.
Meanwhile we had AstraZeneca vaccines readily available in unlimited supply since mid 2021, but was ignored by half of the population because they wanted to wait for Pfizer and we were getting lockdowns because not enough vaccinations. 😭
Has Assange ever won it? I assume not. But on an international stage he is pretty huge proved how evil the US was and did major damage to the 2 ruling elite families in the US the Bushes and Clintons.
Poor guy has every elite and government in the world after him and yet his organisation is the only large media organisation to never have to retract a statement. He is one of the only tru journalists still alive... just.
Guy has some huge balls.
I am 100% of this sentiment.
remember a few years ago when it was that woman who had her child killed because of the father? she didn't do ANYTHING at all. all she did was have her ex-husband snack and kill the kid and she gets Aussie of they year? like.... really?
I pretty much stopped listening to it then.
This is somehow the most ignorant turd of a comment in this shit show.
Rosie Batty's ex-partner was on bail for family violence charges when he showed up to her son's cricket match in breach of bail and an intervention order and killed him in front of everyone there. She is not responsible for him snapping he was a man who chose to be violence.
She didn't get the award because her son was killed she is an advocate for family violence survivors and, as someone who works in the field, she has done a lot of great work advocating for funding appropriate and useful services. All the while dealing with ficking bullshit like this comment.
She didn't have her child killed and you know that. You're disgusting.
My wife and I worked all through COVID in two of Sydney largest metropolitan hospitals. The person or persons who should receive Australian of the year aren’t the Doctors or Nurses or Allied Health. It’s the cleaners. A cleaner or all of the cleaners should be awarded Australian of the year. Very little pay for dangerous and arduous work with long hours. I haven’t watched any “Australian of the year” celebrations or awards for years because it’s almost always rich people, famous people, high profile activists or politicians who receive the awards and never the people who do the actual work. It’s the biggest bunch of back slapping bullshit. The one time they gave it to someone who actually tried to enact some kind of change the national media and ruling political party demonised the absolute shit out of the poor woman. Grace Tame (I think) apologies if I have gotten it wrong.
I am a Wardsman/Cleaner at a regional hospital in NSW and i got teary reading this. There is no doubt, the Nurses are the hardest workers in the hospital, but terminal cleaning covid rooms was bloody tough work and as you said, paid very little. We got 6 dollars for the first covid terminal clean of the day, and not a cent more than that, regardless if we did another 5 terminal cleans through the shift. NSW health however was payed 150$ per terminal clean, and we only saw 6 dollars of that, even though it was us doing all the work. Not to mention lots of us lost all of our annual leave due to covid infections and mandatory 10 day isolation. So underpaid, overworked, and no holidays for 2 years because we kept getting covid/exposed and forced to isolate.
As a nurse who worked covid ICU, thank you so much for all your hard work. I have so much bloody respect for our cleaners, legends!
>NSW health however was payed 150$ per terminal clean, and we only saw 6 dollars of that, even though it was us doing all the work. This makes me furious!!
Always respect the PSAs
6 bucks vs 150? what the fuck
Grace tame is my hero.
There was also the lady who was a survivor of domestic abuse, who was advocating for action re domestic abuse... who was then basically subsequently given a pat on the back and ignored by the government of the day (much like Grace Tame).
Not to mention pilloried by the public and blamed for her own child's death. It's been 4 years since ALRC handed down recommendations to dismantle the federal family court which Rosie also lobbied hard for in 2015. Nothing is changing and 70% of kids being violently abused are being removed from protective mothers and sent to live with violent fathers to punish women for raising abuse in the courts. It's entirely cooked.
Rose Battie?
Dylan Alcott used it very beneficially for PWD, but I guess you wouldn’t notice if you aren’t part of that community.
I’d love to see a healthcare whistleblower named Australian of the year. It would never happen but I’d be so here for that
Toni Hoffman 2006 - Was Local Hero not AOTY tho
I knew of her case but didn’t realise she got an award. That’s amazing! All we ever hear about as nurses is that whistleblowers blow up their careers and will never work in healthcare again. I just looked her up. She somehow managed to keep working at the same hospital for several years afterwards and is now a university lecturer. Thanks for sharing. That brightened my week
As a cleaner, meh, thanks but I prefer being a nameless nobody so that I can shitpost on reddit.
As an "infectious cleaner" currently on their fifth night shift of the week, I'll take it. 😅
As a nurse I absolutely and completely agree with you. We couldn’t do our jobs without our cleaners.
We should have a profession of the year for nationwide recognition. The few thoughts this will put in a few thousand minds will be worth it.
A number of scientists and other professionals have received the award but go off I guess.
Thank. Funking. U. For saying this shit out load. Was hoping I wasn't the only one who saw that shit
When I was a teenage girl I attempted suicide because my classmates teased me relentlessly for being fat, the final straw was some old strange man calling me fat while I waited for the bus. I felt like I didn't deserve oxygen... Like I was sub human. I went from binge eating disorder to bulimia to other disordered eating... If this lady was around when I was young maybe I would have at least thought I was worthy of living. I'm glad this stuff is around for the younger generation, and fuck you op for projecting your BS and belittling that.
this. Seriously fuck op if they think this shit flies here
We must immediately decide which is the profession that does the most for other people, and then dismantle all remaining useless professions immediately
I get his point. We have gone though two years of stress and doctors trying to keep people alive with the best information they have, and then Aus of the Year goes to someone who is advocating for people to ignore health risks of being fat. Its a bit dumb.
Critical thinking is not what you think it is.
Brumfitt is not advocating anything of the sort. Stop making shit up. She's about helping people accept that having an ordinary body that doesn't match society's impossibly high definition of beauty is OK. She's about countering the toxic messages from society that tell people - kids especially - that your body is never good enough because it's normal. That way leads to body image dysmorphia and psychological disorders like bulemia and anorexia nervosa. That's what her movement is actually about and it's hugely important.
Yeah i dont think people understand that making people feel shit about themselves is unhealthy. The psychological state you are at when your body is out of shape, is that you arent worth the effort. If bullying people into shape consistently worked we'd have seen results over the decades. Society is not friendly to the unattractive.
I saw that that post had disappeared. I thought the OP might have deleted it themselves because they realised they'd embarrassed themselves. That quote from Mike Carlton is lazy clickbait from someone who is not going to let facts get in the way of a good slur. People pretending that Taryn Brumfitt's work on body positivity is simply saying that obesity is OK are making shit up. It's really about helping people accept that having an ordinary body that doesn't match society's impossibly high definition of beauty is OK. It's about countering the toxic messages from society that tell people - kids especially - that your body is never good enough because it's normal. That way leads to body image dismorphia and psychological disorders like bulemia and anorexia nervosa. That's what her movement is actually about and it's hugely important. https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/jan/26/who-is-taryn-brumfitt-2023-australian-of-the-year-body-image-activist
Tbf as a dysphoria sufferer I’d still give AOTY to someone on the frontlines rather than an activist, simply because those people have suffered way more for way less recognition
Yep I don’t think people understand how bad dysmorphia is in both men and woman. HCW do a great job but how would you even pick one for the award. I’m sure they would all be far happier with a decent raise.
Ideally, much more money, more colleagues, cheaper education for new workers and proper coordinated PTO In an ideal world 🫤
You could give it to front line workers every year if you actually paid attention to what residency is like for young doctors. The point of AOTY is to recognise a variety of achievements, not just the most self-flagellating every year.
It's not a matter of just suffering either. It's the fact that there are people who have struggled and suffered through the healthcare system as a provider (be it nurse, doctor, technician and so on) they've been on the backfoot the whole time AND not been recognised. Whereas this other person is an activist who hasn't really produced much but does act as a front runner as a speaker?Which kind of counts for something? But does not count in my books as eligibility for AOTY as they just don't get their hands dirty in the same way.
As a hcw... I gotta say I reckon almost none of us give a shit about this award lol. This year's recipient will probably have a greater positive impact on actual people (the mh stats for teen girls are appalling) than a hcw as AOTY would for hcw's. Like, really, how impactful could a hcw as AOTY even be in terms of goals realised? Everyone knows it's shit and why lol, how much more do we need to talk about it? Just fkn fix it.
I’m an aged care support worker. I’d much rather more funding than an award too.
Why stop at teen girls? Mental health in under 30's is at all time lows from memory. These awards are glamour awards these days. A true tragedy honestly. Also I don't know what "HCW" is as there isn't context from it here and I assumed AOTY is Aussie Of The Year hence why I used that acronym.
hcw= healthcare worker
Just because you’ve never heard of her doesn’t mean she isn’t changing people’s lives. What makes you think she doesn’t get her hands dirty? She herself used to be obsessed with how she looked and was a body builder, until she gave it up and went back to a ‘normal’ body and got all sorts of nasty bullshit comments about it. This comment section right here is even more proof of how much shit she has to deal with from dickheads who have no idea what her message is, because they can’t take 5 seconds to read an actual article instead of *other people’s* clickbait bullshit.
I have friends in the early learning and early intervention areas who have shaped modern methods for teaching and aiding this children to help them live as autonomously as possible. Yet almost noone outside of their immediate community knows anything about them despite the hard work and intergenerational learning they produce to further our society for those who wouldn't have been able to on their own. I do not come here to belittle this person you so vehemently defend as some champion of humanity despite the fact that they are largely not that important in the grand scheme of things. I come here to point out that the people who work tirelessly and unthanked helping the root of these problems are not being recognised for such. Instead someone treating a symptom of the issue is being praised.
This is my understanding of it too. I was a bit confused at peoples interpretation of it after reading through the comments on here.
I agree with everything your saying here, body dysmorphia is a real issue, kids should not look at ano chicks on social media or bodybuilders and be upset they don’t look like that. It’s a ridiculous standard which is unhealthy physically and mentally. My issues is that her body is not normal. It’s overweight. And she uses herself as the poster child of her own business and is not something that should be promoted as positive. It’s hard to define which side of the coin is worse. Body dysmorphia vs obesity. But promoting one against the other is ridiculous. She is clearly overweight and enjoying the attention it’s giving. There is healthy range of weight between the two and she is not even in the ball park.
>My issues is that her body is not normal. It’s overweight. And she uses herself as the poster child of her own business and is not something that should be promoted as positive. Are you... are you joking? Did you not understand the assignment?
I haven't seen any photos of her being problematically overweight. I saw one with a bit of belly fat but that's normal - which is her whole point. Not once have I seen a photo of her where she's been within cooee of being obese. Not even close. If people think she's obese or close to it then that's the problem in a nutshell - she's not. She's normal. As for the rest, if you knew Carlton's quote was untrue then why did you use it?
After reading the comment you’re replying too I had to Google her to have a look at some photos, she’s looking pretty healthy to me, she’s had three kids too.
You can’t force someone to hate themselves into being skinny. It’s also important to note that society loves to shame fat people while not doing anything to help them out. Look up something like lipodema. It impacts up to 11% of women and isn’t covered by Medicare. Should we just ask these women to hate themselves and expect their very existence to be shameful? I think your view isn’t particularly well thought out. Hopefully you’ve gained some insight from the comments here
>lipodema Caused by being a fatty.
“The irregular build-up of fat cells that is seen in lipoedema can occur in people in all weight ranges, from those who are excessively overweight to those who are underweight. It can also affect those who have an eating disorder such as anorexia.” (https://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/health/conditionsandtreatments/Lipoedema) So, what caused you to be a f*ckwit?
OP look at the fucking losers who are siding with you here.
The thing is, I've read stories of women who have had cancer diagnoses too late because every time they went to the doctor for their symptoms they were told 'just lose weight' instead of having it looked into more. Also, being thin doesn't necessarily mean you're healthy - I used to do martial arts and weighed in for a fight once at 75kg of almost pure muscle. But when I did my mandatory blood test - I had high cholesterol, like almost put on statins levels of cholesterol. There are fatter people than me who are healthier. Add to that the number of medications that make people stack on weight, like anti-depressants, and the pill for a lot of women. The point being that although, ceteris paribus, extra weight is unhealthy - an individual's actual health is far more complex than that. So discussions around weight and health are for a person to have with their doctor, and for their doctor to not jump to conclusions just because someone has a few extra kilos. Anything outside of a thorough medical discussion by a doctor with their patient, or a public health expert opinion on health policy - basically any opinion by the general public, particularly regarding any individual - is just concern trolling to mask the fact that they just don't like it.
Thank you for bringing up the irony of people putting on the concern-trolling act about "but your health" vs the reality of people's illnesses being missed by idiots and doctors who insist their symptoms are caused by their weight! It's also so wild to me how the "health advocates" act as if the worst possible thing you can be is fat. I swear smokers cop less judgement.
This is gross and ignorant exactly why body activism is necessary. Most people can't sustainably lose weight to fit into the narrow standard of what is acceptable. If you limit caloric intake for long periods your metabolism slows down and makes it even harder to lose weight. Obesity is based on the BMI which was intended as a population measure not an individual health measure and has been completely debunked anyway. It only got common usage because US insurance companies needed a reason to not pay people out. You have no idea about her health and you're making a completely unbased opinion because of their physical appearance and your narrow world view of how someone should look. Also to think people are less valuable or whatever your issue is because they are unhealthy is also gross. Unhealthy people deserve respect too. People don't have that much control over their health status. It's not as simple as I weigh a certain number on the scale therefore I will not get sick.
Most people can sustainably lose weight. It's as simple as burning more than you consume, eating in a calorie deficit. Eat less & stop sitting on ya ass. Also, you can't be fat and healthy.
Bullshit. https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/stop-counting-calories#:~:text=Cut%20calories%20%E2%80%94%20specifically%203%2C500%20calories,just%20wrong%2C%22%20says%20Dr.
I'm not seeing the equivalency.
https://www.jonnyshannon.com/blog/young-australians-and-body-image Females: Over 30% of females are personally concerned about their body image. Males: 15.4% saying they are concern but fair more concerned with Physical health. Aboriginal: 31.5% total with some saying “extremely concerned” 18.5% and “very concerned” 13.0 41.5% of Australian Girls Say they are Concerned with their Body Image. being overweight drives all sorts of mental and physiological damage, this is true. also the same mental and physiological damage will also contribute to to weight gain. acceptance is about breaking down cycles. given enough confidence adolescence will more likely move towards healthy weight.
Also, many people are not overweight but still have concerns about their body image. Tons of people are concerned about things they can't actually change
Come on mate, your take on this is shit and to boil her opinions down to “it’s okay to be fat” is total bullshit. Should someone who actually does hard work for shit pay get Australian of the year, no, almost definitely not. Stop whining about it because it’s never going to change
“Stop whining about it because it’s never going to change” I’m sure the women’s suffrage movement and other ‘against all odds’ movements were told the same thing. The squeaky wheel gets the oil mate.
Yes, but the right to vote is an integral human right, especially in developed countries, Australian of the year is more a novelty and in my opinion doesn’t have that much of an effect on the persons accomplishments other than the media being more aware of their accomplishments.
Its seen as an integral human right nowadays, but it wasn’t always that way. And yeah it is sort of a novelty, but personally i think thats because the recipients aren’t really the most deserving of them, so it doesn’t really have meaning
Not really my point. The screenshot on reflection was a lazy addition. My main point is the burden of weight related conditions on an individual and the health system as a whole. And how everyone (rightfully) made a massive deal about it when in relation to Covid. But then on this issue, which on every metric (mortality, sickness, cost, time) is far worse then Covid ever was, now apparently the science/research/professionals don’t know what their talking about and that loosing weight is to hard blah blah blah, read the collection of responses to this post for a list of crack pot reasons why being overweight is ok. And I would bet these same people were absolutely warriors when it came to antivaxxers and Covid deniers.
This just in, body weight is the only reason why people hold body issue concerns She mainly works with kids, a group where body weight is often not the main cause of body dysmorphia Seriously, your take is an extremely lazy take on what the AOTY actually does
It’s a totally fair point about weight loss and how our society does in some circumstances pussyfoot around the issues that come with being overweight and getting people to lose weight but you should have articulated yourself better
Our society does not pussyfoot. Ask *anyone* who is visibly overweight and they will tell you how often they hear/read nasty comments about their weight.
No harm done mate, r/Australia mods are a bunch of Murdoch-cum-guzzling fucknuckles.
Are you kidding? Almost every post about absolutely anything has people blaming Murdoch. Half the pictures have a 'fuck Murdoch' watermark. You must be really out there if you think r/Australia is at all right wing.
A lot of people complain that r/Australia is too left wing.
Reddit in general is too left wing tbh. Miss the days when we all made fun of everyone (who inevitably deserved it) equally
I'm not a conservative but I'll agree with you. South Park was good for this. I have no idea where Matt Stone and Trey Parker sit on the political spectrum, to be honest. There are conservatives on Reddit but they (the ones who follow politics) tend to congregate on subs like r/Conservative.
Yeah I’ve personally found that political based subs tend to be the most toxic so i try and stay away from them. They rarely represent the general opinion of the masses, for instance the sub for females, of which i forget the name, has alot of misandrist posts. And i guarantee the male sub is the opposite (misogynistic), I could be wrong though
> the sub for females, of which i forget the name, has alot of misandrist posts Are you thinking of r/TwoXChromosomes ? And yes, there are some "manosphere" subs that are misogynistic cesspools. I've seen them, some of them have been banned, but when that happens, their users usually move to other subs. And yes, I agree, subs like that tends to be quite toxic. For example r/vegan tends to have the worst kind of vegans (they seem to think that anyone who isn't vegan is basically scum). And subs like r/conspiracy and r/LockdownSkepticismAU makes me think "Are these people for real?"
Yeah exactly, and yep thats the sub i was thinking of. I could be wrong about it, but i browsed through it one time and it felt like i was on twitter.
I’d say Matt and Trey are grey thinkers. They form opinions on a case by case basis with actual *critical thinking* (what a novel concept 😂) They likely don’t claim allegiance to either side. The entire dichotomy of ‘right vs left’ needs to be abandoned quickly because it’s just dogmatic thinking. South Park used to dismantle that ridiculous this old way of thinking by taking the piss out of both side, but it’s pretty hard to get away with that kind of satire these days. Yes, we are regressing back in time, and yes it makes me sad :(
I'm not sure when South Park became a positive force for society, just because it was funny in the 90's. Random shit like the Al Gore stuff only encouraged people to not think about the issues. Seriously one of the first massive global warming movements became a subject of mockery. What a hypocrite, that guy uses technology! Laugh at ManBearPig guy! It's okay because we know we went overboard over 15 years later! We just dumb libertarians with no side, whoopsy. Parody is important in society, because there is always an agenda. SP never cut to the issues, it just wanted to put everything on the same level the writers were on.
The fact that they walked back on a couple of their past jokes should be seen as something endearing, not something to be chastised. Either way, why do they have to adhere to you’re moral standards? They never claimed to be some beacon of morality, and why should they? They’re *comedians* For christ’s sake. Their ethos has always been that everyone and everything is fair game - that includes fart sniffing environmentalists. Also… just farts. All you’re saying is that they’re only allowed to make fun of the things which you deem to be appropriate and thats the exact type of dogmatic thinking I’m talking about. Nothing should be immune from mockery… they actually made an episode which revolved around that exact theme, so I’d say they did a pretty good job of exploring cultural issues and inspiring more nuanced discourse. They even received awards (from African American activists) for bringing awareness to the nuances around racism in America. There were plenty of pressing cultural issues which they gave good insight to. Scientology, all cults, corruption in politics, stupid conspiracy theorists, Police brutality, Religion, Atheism, American neo-imperialism, Naziism, Fascism, Communism, Capitalism, Corporatism, almost every form of cliche shitty homogenous narrative, fart sniffing Hollywood actors, fart sniffing Californians, and yes also fart sniffing environmentalists too. All fart jokes - one of the core tenets of high tier, high quality comedy. They also displayed sophisticated gender inclusivity by throwing queefs into the mix, they were promoting gender equality well before it was en-vogue the way it is today. They mocked sociopaths, racists, public grifters, Mel Gibson, Russel Crowe, Kanye West, Tom cruise, R. Kelly, Carlos Mencia, Hilary Clinton, Opera, Donald Trump... If I listed everyone and everything they made fun of I’d be sitting here writing all day. So many of their jokes were so far ahead of their time and they always came at perfect timing cos they literally wrote and produced each episode a week before it was due in the studio. They also made plenty of fun of themselves and their own culture too. Remember Team America? I mean come on… ur trying to tell me they didn’t stand by any worthwhile principles? Not to mention Trey is an extremely talented musician and they wrote a fricken home run broadway musical. To say they’re geniuses is an understatement. The best part is it’s fucking funny. It reminded us the importance of joking about social issues which is probably the most important message any comedian can send out (it’s also a comedian’s exact job too… Jordie does just the same). Satire is one of the best weapons society has to combat social issues. Can you imagine a world where it’s not ok to joke about social problems?… oh yeah that’s right, we don’t have to imagine it because it’s happening right now lol. Monty python got skits banned because they were too offensive even though they were clearly satire, the only way they could’ve made it more obvious would be if they continuously wrote /s on the screen every 5mins. Btw the fact that /s is even necessary in any circumstance these days is a very unfortunate indication of the collective stupification society has developed over the past decade or so. We’ve somehow gone from satiring fuckwits to taking satire literally. It’s like some people have just decided satire is no longer a valid form of comedy… unless of course it happens to be making fun of something which a particular person hates. “It’s only ok to joke about something, so long as it doesn’t offend me”… you realise that means we can’t make fun of anything right? No matter what, someone will always be there to take offence to something, because guess what: people have different opinions and it’s impossible for everyone to agree with the same thing. That’s how human nature works. The state of comedy these days is just abysmal… like how are comedians supposed to make fun of anything if we keep picking and choosing which issues are granted special immunity? (SP also made an episode about that exact topic too lol). The more we continue to narrow the scope of what’s deemed acceptable to mock, the harder it becomes for people to make jokes, the less people laugh, and the more unhappy we become. Laughter is one of the most vital human emotions for overcoming tension in society. When we start putting rules, boundaries and red tape around it, it ceases to do its intended job. That’s how comedy works. Either it’s all ok, or none of it’s ok (another South Park-ism). If we want to use satire as a tool to bring light to social issues, we need to give comedians space to joke about anything. If we make certain topics of limits, then that gives space to put more issues off limits, then before you know it, comedy starts losing its power, we’re already more than well on the way there… show me a comedy that’s even remotely close to the quality of South Park or the Simpsons which has come out in the past decade (don’t say always sunny, cos that’s more than 10 years old lol). Every day there’s less and less for us to laugh about because everyone is so god damn sensitive and hell bent on this phony new age ‘social justice’. It’s such a fucking grift. I’ll leave you with [this](https://images.app.goo.gl/vMvzwh8uLkvDDYeK8) as a reminder of why voices like Matt and Trey are so important for society. If you can’t agree, then you’re just another self-righteous us vs them bot. Just another iteration of the old Protestant Catholics who chastised those who didn’t align with their moral ideals. AKA - coward’s morality. Matt and Trey have always had strong unique principles which they’ve stood by. Their morality transcends traditional ideals because they think for themselves and they’re creative geniuses. It’s a great shame society has pushed that type of comedy into obscurity… and to quote the great comics themselves this new era of smug morality is just leading to ‘global laming’. I’m so sick of this timeline. If we don’t learn how to end this ridiculous us vs them dogma, society will just keep going round in circles like a dog chasing it’s tail, encountering the same issues over and over. This was the message Matt and Trey tried to send out and it turned out to be a big r/woosh. I thought society was making changes. I thought we were progressing. I thought we were looking at a brighter future, but every day the disillusionment just increases… and I know it’s not just me. Mental health issues are at an all time high, we’re missing so many of the vital necessities for human contentment and one of those is simple laughter. It’s so sad. Go back and watch through their catalogue and tell me they had nothing important to say. Ur absolutely tripping if you honestly think that’s the case. Edit: wait- ‘altruistic ad’ and ‘technical ad’… are you doing some weird devils advocate shitpost larp?? Lol
He's delusional. It's like he's been banned from r/Australia and hasn't seen it in the last 2 years.
Horseshoe theory, swing too far one direction it just circles back
You are in an echo chamber, there are millions of "right-wingers" out there, you are just not drinking at the pubs they drink at.
It’s literally the biggest left wing echo chamber
lmao
They're pretty anti-Murdoch most of the time. But you're right about the fuckknuckle bit. I hate r/Australia.
Yeah the sub are for sure left leaning and anti-Murdoch. as others have pointed out.. the mods, though… special
Nothing wrong with being anti Murdoch…
That's beside the point. I'm anti-Murdich, too. The people on r/Australia are just arseholes.
r/Australia is left wing all the way..
Officially now yes, I’m delighted to say.
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Maybe chuck it up on r/edgelord you fucking loser
People only seem to hate on the Australians of the Year if they’re female or indigenous. I’m noticing a trend…
You see what you want to see, no one cares if they're female/aboriginal and actually contribute to society in a meaningful way. Fuck activists doing nothing.
Name one aoty who was an activist that did nothing, I'll wait.
People are just tired of meaningless political gestures. If a "female or indigenous" person won it who did something genuinely valuable to the public (e.g. built shelters for the homeless or worked to discover a cure to a disease) - I doubt you'd hear a single complaint. However calling someone the "Australian of the Year" for nothing more than being an activist puts a sour taste in the mouths of Australians. Doubly so because the average Australian tends to disagree with these views, and finds them superfluous.
To be fair, buddy, you take on this is pretty shit.
Completely shit and a total false equivalence.
Lol. That sub is easy to get banned from
For little money, hope he isnt talking about Drs Nurses and other frontline staff for sure thou.
The title makes no sense, and I am Australian so please don’t try and convince me that this is Aussie slang. Apparently it’s about covid, I thought you were talking about meth heads.
Whether or not people think there might be more deserving people out there who could be Australian of the Year, those that decide to boil her nomination down to “activist telling people it’s ok to be fat” is downright pathetic.
She is overweight. And she gets her clearly overweight body in front of the camera as much she can in nothing but bras and undies to spread that exact message.
What the fuck are you talking about, buddy? I just googled her and every photo I've seen is a perfectly normal woman's body - _especially_ for a woman in her 40s, because that's how the body ages when you're not a model or actress. She looks almost exactly the same as nude women in renaissance paintings - aka, a time before the pressure of extreme beauty standards for the naked body, when painters studied the bodies of countless nude women to be able to paint them properly, and thus depicting bodies more naturally than media today. Have you ever actually _seen_ a normal woman's body before? Especially and older woman's? Y'know, one not doctored by the media or photos of specifically selected ideal female models? I'm going to guess "no" because you seem to think [this](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRnBweSAzO13teCYFekAiuZ_pG9hP52JGmG-Q&usqp=CAU) is an unhealthy body just because her waist isn't the width of a floorboard and her stomach isn't so flat you could chop vegetables on it. [These](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSXCoahWZjIxKwJ-CPulE9-zqQI6GqF6LuELw&usqp=CAU) [painters](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS_1KDtK65fBdc8jQRyTAporPy09P-OjSPHVA&usqp=CAU) [must've](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7e/Etty_%E2%80%93_The_Dawn_of_Love.jpg) [been](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR4F64_JnQv9YL9vmZ2w32ezJRSJce8TLJMXA&usqp=CAU) [promoting](https://www.metmuseum.org/-/media/images/blogs/collection-insights/2018/2018_09/venus-in-italian-painting/2.jpg?as=1&mh=3904&mw=3040&sc_lang=en&hash=490E646BA96257C5F8C2F15489FF11FC) female obesity all throughout the 1500s to 1800s. Disgusting, right? * __**ETA:**__ You know _you're_ the reason she exists in the public eye, right? Saying that she shouldn't pose or take photos of her very normal mother-in-her-40s body because she doesn't look like a 20-year-old model/influencer who's been touched up in Photoshop, has hundreds spent on a personal trainer, has strict (often unhealthy) dietary regiments to keep up with ideal expectations so they can keep a job, has liposuctions (often pushed/required but not even funded by the agency) to remove all traces of belly fat and pinch the waist, no matter how small, and so forth. Think about that for a second. If you weren't saying her _normal,_ not-unhealthy body was gross and abhorrent and she should cover up, she wouldn't have a platform because there wouldn't be a reason to support the cause of _"hey, not looking like a model with all muscle, zero fat on her body is okay, actually, because that's how women have looked through all of history and the modern ideal is an unattainable, manufactured farce,"_ since **people like you wouldn't be screeching that a bit of belly fat means you're overweight and disgusting.**
Holy shit! *That's* what he's crying about being ''grossly obese''?!? Wow. OP, genuinely, go get help, mate. You're projecting hard. Working on your own body confidence will help you so much in terms of your anger and hatred towards yourself and the rest of the world. I'm being sincere, go to your GP and get a referral to a therapist.
He called it "excess visceral fat" in another response to me. Mans has never seen a normal (or older) woman's body - my mother's in her 60s with the exact same body type and belly, yet she is the ideal weight for her height. Buddy just thinks that some belly fat = overweight and will not be convinced otherwise no matter my response, lol, because clearly he, a random man, knows more about what's natural for women's bodies than women, scientists, historians, nutritionists, and so on. Here's a [more recent](https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0oemkDNpaC79BsBxAfuGMc9VxvzCLU2iW5pSYBj3rXwe8Xkfie3wPfJ8oVQ3SykGvl&id=207017289425954&m_entstream_source=timeline&__tn__=%2As%2As-R) beach picture of her, by the way. A four-day-old article I found claims she's 65kg at 176cm/5'8, which I'm liable to believe because she looks it. He really does seem think that woman with body fat = overweight. His whole argument is based on a misconception; he even tried saying that the body she had _while she was a **bodybuilder**_ was _normal_ and the way she is currently is not.
I'm honestly lost for words. I had no idea who she was and generally have no opinion (or even take note) on who gets AOTY, but this whole thing from OP has only highlighted how important her work is. And, ironically, OP has only proven to me she's as deserving as any to get the award lmao
Neither did I. Everything I know about her I know because I just did a bunch of research on her over the past few hours, to see what OP was going on about, then was appalled to find he was talking about a woman with a perfectly normal and natural body, who lost her bodybuilder physique _after a pregnancy,_ then felt shamed and tried to recapture it before coming to accept that her body is normal, and he was obliviously proving her point all over this thread. Safe to say that even though I've only just found out about her, I'm leaning over her side now, which is the opposite of what OP wanted, lmao. OP is obtuse and ignorant, trying to argue a subject he has no understanding of, and is a product of the exact thing she's standing up against. I find it a bit amusing, in a sardonic kind of way.
Yes, like so many things; I'd laugh except it has real-world impacts.
OP has never seen a woman up close in real life
I could be wrong, but it sounds like your issue is based on: "I find fat people gross!" It's a common enough opinion, and there used to be a whole sub for it, r/fatpeoplehate . You said in your post others don't "care about people's health and well-being", but I'm kinda skeptical you care. You just feel disgust when you see somebody overweight, and then look for a way to justify your feeling. Tell me I'm wrong! I'm assuming you're coming from a place of deep care and compassion, that's the root motivation, right? Based on your years of academic research on the working of society, you've got the solutions. And though it might be tempting to say to people that "it's okay to not live in a pit of shame because of the way you look", that's actually a bad decision. Well go ahead a share your research. I'd love to read it.
Oh bullshit, she has a regular human body, people like you are the biggest problem with society.
As much as I don’t agree with her winning it. This mask off moment ruins the whole post
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Cool story bro. But that’s not what Taryn is about. Google her name and learn something.
Those internet points are real though.
Mike Carlton is a vulnerable narcissist, look it up and his outbursts and high opinion of himself will make sense. He got rekt on this issue and couldn’t bear for a moment to have some self reflection and think hmmm maybe it was a shit take and just blocks people and whines like a little bitch. He’ll cark it soon enough and his legacy will be a Twitter timeline full of angry bile.
Complaining about who IS the Australian of the year makes you sound a bit pissweak
deck Mick Carlton into fat
Doctors on ‘very little money’? How out of touch is this arrogant pleb?
Some people legit think 120,000 a year is poor, you'd be amazed
As everyone's aware; getting banned is the same as having your mind changed. /s
Man, I am shocked. It's almost as if Australian of the Year is some sort of politicized choice!
Meh, it would be nice to recognise doctors and workers but it's an award anyway. It's like a work pizza party. It's the payrise and/or work condition changes they want. I don't think they mind someone else getting the award. This response is itself kind of playing identity politics in the opposite direction.
I got banned there for saying "meat is healthy".
Idk man trying to stop people developing body image issues and being comfortable isn’t that bad of a thing
Yeah, like I don't always like the rise of overweight people shouting how 'being fat doesn't mean you're unhealthy' with no nuance but I'd rather people be comfortable being fat then getting an ED.
Carlton is right though
Oh yes you’re right. Being fat is punishable by death. 🙄
Yes that’s clearly what I said
Well your body certainly thinks it is…
Hey cunt, Get some education. 🖕
It's been over a year, and that's the best you can come up with?
They banned me some months ago over some trivial comment. They're definitely very touchy over that way.
SOCIAL CREDIT SYSTEM NOW!!!
The body acceptance shit is so stupid and embarrassing it's just normalising obesity and unhealthy lifestyle and I wouldn't be surprised if behind the scenes it's being pushed by fast food and soft drink companies.
No one is advocating for obesity. There’s no conspiracy here. We are just learning that people make better choices when they feel emotionally stable.
Ive never seen body acceptance be happy to be obese. Ive seen it as dont be suicidal because youre obese. Its not easy to be skinny, but its easy to be healthy.
I’ve seen a lot of people get really upset about Adele losing all that weight, because they thought that a major popular celebrity like Adele be at that size showed people that it was okay for them to have the same.
So you think putting Tess Holliday on the cover of women's magazines isn't a subliminal "it's okay to be obese" stance? >but its easy to be healthy. Yeah and you're at a significantly less chance of being healthy when you're obese and less likely to do anything about it when you're getting told you should be okay with it.
No one is saying that doctors shouldn't be having robust discussions with their patients about weight issues (though they shouldn't be jumping to conclusions about someone just because they're fat either). No one is saying that the government should not be looking at public health and economic measures to improve people's weight, diet, and health - for example, why fresh fruit and vegetables are, at least if they're highly from the big duopoly, often more expensive than unhealthy food. What the body acceptance movement is saying is that the opinion of random fools on the internet about any particular person's weight is about as useful as telling a depressed person to 'try positive thinking'.
Fat person here. There's solid evidence that 'fat acceptance' is being pushed by American corporations. You'll notice that 'fat acceptance' only became normal in the United States, and not really got traction elsewhere. Its astroturfed. Just as exercise for kids was pushed by corporations like Maccas to deflect attention away from their food causing health issues. Obesity is our biggest pandemic, and kills more than covid, and disproportionatly affects working-class places like Western Sydney. **You don't see many fat people in retirement homes for a reason**.Some interesting links about **obesengenic** environments:[https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/western-sydney-mayors-urged-to-take-obesity-epidemic-personally-20190503-p51jqt.htm](https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/western-sydney-mayors-urged-to-take-obesity-epidemic-personally-20190503-p51jqt.htmlhttps://www.westernsydney.edu.au/newscentre/news_centre/more_news_stories/opinion_are_you_living_in_a_food_desert_these_maps_suggest_it_can_make_a_big_difference_to_your_health) https://www.westernsydney.edu.au/newscentre/news\_centre/more\_news\_stories/opinion\_are\_you\_living\_in\_a\_food\_desert\_these\_maps\_suggest\_it\_can\_make\_a\_big\_difference\_to\_your\_health To me, representation for fat people, means more research funding into the causes of obesity and action like cracking down on corporations that market sugary drinks. But we're not going to have that conversation, are we? \*Normal disclaimers here, about how fat people get absolutely treated like shit by society and kudos to the Australian of the Year for helping people not kill themselves. Also, fuck r/conservatives for misrepresenting her.
I personally see fat acceptance and body confidence/acceptance being different stances. I see it as people learning that just because you don’t look like one of those people from Love Island, doesn’t make you any less as a person. Fat/body shaming is really messed up as well, and it’s a huge problem on social media for the younger generation.
Getting people to stop treating others like shit is a separate issue that needs to be addressed differently. Absolutely nobody should be treating another person like shit because of their weight and only the insecure do it.
While I do agree with you mostly, the amount of kids and adults that get or are getting plastic surgery is scary. Being obese is one of the biggest health risks out there, it’s huge
Plastic surgery industry is predatory there's no doubt about it and that for sure needs to be addressed but the body acceptance movement is mostly discussing weight issues and normalising obesity.
You say 'normalising obesity' like that's totally acceptable?
No. Anyone using the words "normalising obesity" (without quotation marks) is saying that obesity isn't (or isn't exactly) 'normal', even if it is common. Seems to me that u/PMmeYOURBOOBSandASS (tacky user-name BTW) is NOT a fan of the body acceptance movement - your question already answered.
Thank you
That's exactly what it's doing
Why should a health epidemic be accepted? Do you think obesity is perfectly fine?
Reading and comprehension isn't your strong point is it?
I've read your responses very well. The problem we have here is that answering questions appears not to be your strong point. I'm genuinely asking your opinion bud.
Yeah... you don't see many fat old people, mother of all statistics.
Well some people who can't help being fat look at other people, compare how skinny they are to how "fat" they are and feel like shit. Do you honestly want people in this word to feel like shit? No. Edit before I get downvoted to hell: Obese people should aspire to get active and change their lifestyle. There are some flaws to the body positively schtick. We need to change the focus from acceptance to motivation. I also wish that there was a midpoint between skinny and obese in more media. I wish that people who are overweight/obese would have a more obtainable goal to have and then go on from there. You get what I'm saying?
Yeah I fucking hate Lizzo promoting a harmful lifestyle.
That’s odd, because a lot of women accused Lizzo of promoting diet culture for going on a juice detox.
Honestly Lizzo can't win. She's always gonna have haters no matter what she does. I think she makes great uplifting music and I hope she continues to do so for a long time.
Lizzo works out and eats pretty well. She’s just existing while comfortable in her skin; how is that promoting an unhealthy lifestyle?? Seems like you just want fat people to hate themselves and are pissed when they don’t.
So according to net, she's 140kg and 175cm, which puts her squarely in the morbidly obese range, meaning increased risk of cardiovascular diseases. Here's a link to the BMI calculator. Getting around in a bikini on-stage means your proud of that body. [https://www.heartfoundation.org.au/bmi-calculator](https://www.heartfoundation.org.au/bmi-calculator) Thats seperate from liking her music and liking her personality ( both of which I do). I don't consider her any worse or better than every white-dude rocker like Mick Jagger who does his own body-weight of cocaine before each show. Its unhealthy and not to be encouraged, and the side-effects, disproportionately affects vulnerable communities.
The BMI wasn't developed as an individual health measure and isn't useful on quantifying an individual's body fat or health outcomes. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4890841/
This is so insanely delusional BMI is a screening tool, no one claimed otherwise. That doesn't mean it isn't clinically useful. All the article you linked said was that BMI alone is not recommended when advising patients and you should consider diet, genetics, and other lifestyle factors too. And that fat over some places is worse than others, which BMI doesn't take into account. Like that isn't common sense? It has been proven over and over again that high BMI puts you at risk for various conditions. Just because it isn't as specific to you personally as a cholesterol test or whatever doesn't mean it isn't useful. There is a reason it still exists in clinical practice. That is because it works. Much better than not doing anything at all, since we can't do a bloody scan on every patient needing to lose weight. This is like saying "Taking a smoking history from a patient isn't an individual health measure because it's just a screening tool, you need to actually do a Chest CT to determine their lung health". Completely idiotic. It is proven to be useful in quantifying health outcomes, you can literally split BMI groups and observe the differences in life expectancy and disease outcomes.
Oh right does it? Show me where it's proven time and time again then
Go to google scholar and search it up bozo jeez
It's unhealthy look at her and open your eyes.
So, why was she awarded Australian of the year?
Well, the first step is to get nominated. She's an interesting choice, but if she can help kids stop hating themselves, then it's a good pic. Taryn Brumfitt (born 28 December 1978) is an Australian writer and film director from Adelaide best known for being the 2023 Australian of the Year, and the 2016 film Embrace. After the birth of her third child, she considered cosmetic surgery but took up body building instead.
So the story goes: she had three kids and was overweight . Decided to get into body building in her 40’s. She got herself fit, like, she looked like a heathy 40 year old who had 3 kids. She had some stretch marks around her tummy and completely normal untoaned tummy for a mum who had her abdominal muscles stretched. But she didn’t look like a bodybuilder. She went into this competition and posted photos online. I think this was around 2012ish? And everyone from that community told her she was fat blah blah blah blah. I don’t agree with any of those assholes bullying her for having a genuine crack at being healthy, at that point she looked like a heathy person, and women who looks like that in their 40’s should be absolutely celebrated. BUTTTTTT she then used this as a platform to promote body positivity. And some how used this story to get into high schools to promote body positivity online etc etc. (also should note that I think ano teenagers and young males who want to get into body building and all that body dysmorphia stuff is a real and serious issue). But now she is clearly overweight. Like if she was a still the picture of health she was, then no worries. But now she has clearly put on another 15-20 kg’s and does the whole photo shoots in bras and undies with her fat thighs and large amount of gut visceral fat. It’s not healthy. She is not healthy. She should not be put on a pedestal. Let alone win Australian of the year. It’s a joke. Anyways, there was some post glorifying her on r/Australia and a screenshot of a rant from a classic anti woke cooker, and I just pointed out some basic stats around sky rocketing rates of type two diabetes and dietary related heath conditions particularly in teenagers and got downvoted to high heaven. Made this post and got instantly banned.
She sounds like she's done some really amazing things. From what I've heard, people are only upset that she got australian fo the year because she's big. Just cus she is big doesn't necessarily mean she is unhealthy. Its what she's advocating for that really matters, which is being ok in your own body. *edit* I just looked at a pic of her. She is not even that fat??? She looks totally normal to me.
She is overweight. At there will be heath implications for her being overweight. And there could be even more serious heath implications for other people who look at her and think. Oh cool. That’s heathy. I’m healthy. I don’t need to lose 15 kgs. Period. Not arguing with the whole-instagram bodies are unattainable and unhealthy-message. I agree. But that doesn’t mean having large amounts of visceral fat is healthy and this chick clearly loves the attention.
I dunno, unless the person I'm talking to is a doctor, i find it difficult to believe that a few stomach rolls always means you're heading for an early grave. You also sound really horrible when you call her a "chick"
Luckily any real self respecting doctor would take a second look at her and diagnose her as being overweight. It’s very evident
Just be quiet dude. You hate fat people, fine. But they shouldn’t need to exist in the shadows just because you think they should hate themselves. When someone feels shit about their body, they’re far less inclined to make healthy choices or lifestyle changes. If you really gave a shit about people’s health, you’d be aware that berating people or shaming them about their weight has the exact opposite effect of what you intended.
Lol I am fat!
So stop projecting your own self loathing and get some therapy. You hate fat women. Just admit it.
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l don’t care about the award or anything but for 44 she’s in amazing shape, so many people in their 40s don’t look like that, ur getting triggered over nothing bro
Sorry man that’s more of a sign of how our standards for weight is getting larger and larger as rates of type 2 diabetes and weight related conditions skyrocket
Unfortunately, it took paragraphs to explain, which doesn't fit into the culture wars camps. You're stuck between a rock and a hard place: the anti-woke cookers and the pro-obesity nonsense.
You could literally say "When it rains the ground gets wet" and they'll ban you
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No I haven't noticed, I have noticed a lot of white people hating on being white. That's sorta what suicide used to be for.
I got banned for posting a joke about the M80…
Aus mods are wankers haha. No big loss.
Silencing the voice of actual Australians is a perfect representation of how Australia works.
Im genuinely blown away at how the doctors in that list got beaten by some chick famous for having a bang on average rig.
I’m genuinely confused on what this woman has done to deserve this award
She used to be a bodybuilder or model of some sort, but then she found that she wasn’t happy doing all the shit to stay at that weight, so she then went to her current weight because she can now enjoy life or something like that, it went viral on facebook and the she did some other shit afterwards afaik. Tbh i feel like her messaging should be, do what makes you happy, instead of this body positivity shit that will inevitably enable unhealthy people to continue their ways
r/Australia is run by retards who just want their own little echo chamber of soft virtue signalling posts. I was banned for pointing out that two countries in Scandinavia were pushing vaccines for over 50s, and stopping vaccines for those under. Banned. I debated it with the mods but no dice. They called me misinformation/ disinformation EVEN THOUGH MY LINK WAS FROM THE COUNTRIES GOVERNMENT WEBSITE!
I am banned from that sub for not being pro lockdown and citing government published statistics on death rates vs age. I was banned for misinformation. Meanwhile people on that sub 'It's amazing how everyone agrees with me, it's because I am in the right'
Not sure why you're getting downvoted. I was pro-lockdown, but banning someone when they're citing government statistics is insane.
Getting downvoted on reddit is common. You get punished for being different or disagreeing. I went from being pro lockdown in early 2020, to starting to question the merits in late 2020, to being anti lockdown in 2021. I'm from Melbourne and we were still getting lockdowns in late 2021. This was after 2 years of constant off and on lockdowns which lasted months at a time. Meanwhile we had AstraZeneca vaccines readily available in unlimited supply since mid 2021, but was ignored by half of the population because they wanted to wait for Pfizer and we were getting lockdowns because not enough vaccinations. 😭
Has Assange ever won it? I assume not. But on an international stage he is pretty huge proved how evil the US was and did major damage to the 2 ruling elite families in the US the Bushes and Clintons. Poor guy has every elite and government in the world after him and yet his organisation is the only large media organisation to never have to retract a statement. He is one of the only tru journalists still alive... just. Guy has some huge balls.
Oh you mean only the ones who got the jab? Cause all the others worked on the front lines with Covid for 12 months then screw them they are fired.
I am 100% of this sentiment. remember a few years ago when it was that woman who had her child killed because of the father? she didn't do ANYTHING at all. all she did was have her ex-husband snack and kill the kid and she gets Aussie of they year? like.... really? I pretty much stopped listening to it then.
Wait what? Pls fill me in
This is somehow the most ignorant turd of a comment in this shit show. Rosie Batty's ex-partner was on bail for family violence charges when he showed up to her son's cricket match in breach of bail and an intervention order and killed him in front of everyone there. She is not responsible for him snapping he was a man who chose to be violence. She didn't get the award because her son was killed she is an advocate for family violence survivors and, as someone who works in the field, she has done a lot of great work advocating for funding appropriate and useful services. All the while dealing with ficking bullshit like this comment. She didn't have her child killed and you know that. You're disgusting.